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"Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Pa..."
Here are the links to the first three of the BL/BR/BT threads. I’ve taken some of the biggest conversations and kind of summarized them. Please feel free to let me know of any other theories or ideas that should be in this initial post. I’m getting exasperated finger drumming from Nailbone so I wanted to get this posted sooner rather than later.

BL/BR Part 1
BL/BR Part 2
BL/BR Part 3

(all the JP, MB quotes are in those threads so unless there’s an outcry for bringing them to this new thread, I’ll let you read them on the others. You peeps decide, I can edit if need be)

The Osten is Lying About Not Being A Good Swimmer Camp - There is a small but vehement faction of people that believe that Osten is the liar. His lie is that he’s been telling people he can’t swim when in fact he is an excellent swimmer. He’s been lying about this the whole time (costing his tribe a challenge by “drowning” to appear weaker than he is just to make it to the merge. Once into the merge he’ll suddenly learn to swim and using alliances made early on, work himself an immunity run and make it to F4 if not F3 (fitting with some spoiler info that he makes F4). This would seem to some to be the perfect fit for JP to say brutal and brilliant at the same time. JP was taken in by the lie because he actually watched and almost sent in rescue crews when Osten was “drowning”. It’s brutal because Osten was taking it upon himself to make the choices of which times he’d be weak and not swim well meaning that his tribe would lose the challenges making Morgan complete losers. It’s brilliant because by being the “strong guy” for most things on Morgan, Osten gave himself job security while at the same time appearing weak and easily manipulated to keep himself from being booted.
(Personal Note: I must admit, I’m finding myself more and more drawn to this theory as time goes on as we see nothing Big Lie like)

The Jon is the Liar Camp - There’s speculation galore regarding Jon being the liar. Thoughts ranging from Jon tells a lie regarding sex between 2 people that didn’t happen (in order to break up a voting bloc) to him spinning a sob story about a family member that’s dying so he needs the money (a la Jenna). There’s also thoughts that Jon lies to manipulate someones ouster, from Trish to Rupert, (but then what would be brutal or awesome about that) and the possibility that with all of his smart mouthing and bragging about women and sex that he’s actually gay. (again not much brutal about that but it’s fun to speculate).

The Lillian Isn’t Really A Scoutmaster- there has been some speculation that Lillian’s scout troop doesn’t actually exist. That this is/was her lie to seem more needed in the survival area. This would really only come into play if she’s brought back into the game so we’ll see on this one.


These are just a few of the theories being worked and tweaked right now. There are others that involved the possibility of Shawn and/or Rupert hiding the fishing spear and things like that but most of them don't seem to have merit anymore therefore I didn't summarize them.

Please feel free to summarize any others you think are worth more speculation.


--hopes this all plays out soon or she's gonna have to resort to talking about the pelican again

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twist Pa...   mistofleas     10-21-03       
   *smooches*   jkokoj     10-21-03     1  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   volsfan     10-21-03     2  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   aethelstan     10-21-03     3  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   VerucaSalt     10-21-03     4  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Brownroach     10-21-03     9  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   FarmBoy     10-21-03     6  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   shuiheart     10-21-03     5  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Nash     10-21-03     7  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Abbynoxious     10-21-03     8  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Abbynoxious     10-21-03     10  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   katethegreat     10-21-03     11  
     agree kate   I_AM_HE     10-22-03     23  
         RE: agree kate   Loree     10-22-03     29  
         RE: agree kate   BeerNuts     10-22-03     35  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   PhoenixMons     10-21-03     12  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   toddE     10-21-03     20  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Acawap     10-21-03     13  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   shuiheart     10-21-03     14  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   mistofleas     10-21-03     15  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Spanky68     10-21-03     16  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   yensid     10-22-03     32  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   zzz     10-21-03     17  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Blow by Blow     10-22-03     33  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   aethelstan     10-21-03     18  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Jims02     10-21-03     19  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   oddout     10-21-03     21  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Acawap     10-21-03     22  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   smiley     10-22-03     24  
   M- - - - - f- - - - -   aethelstan     10-22-03     25  
     RE: M- - - - - f- - - - -   pdragonfly     10-22-03     26  
     RE: M- - - - - f- - - - -   mistofleas     10-22-03     28  
         RE: M- - - - - f- - - - -   aethelstan     10-22-03     30  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   johnnoah     10-22-03     27  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Acawap     10-22-03     31  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   cleaningwoman     10-22-03     34  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Acawap     10-22-03     36  
             RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   oddout     10-22-03     38  
             Trying to reconcile...   PhoenixMons     10-23-03     41  
                 RE: Trying to reconcile...   Breezy     10-24-03     48  
         Article about Lill and BSA   Blow by Blow     10-22-03     37  
   Big Twist/ Tie Breakers   aethelstan     10-22-03     39  
     RE: Big Twist/ Tie Breakers   Acawap     10-22-03     40  
         RE: Big Twist/ Tie Breakers   Blow by Blow     10-23-03     43  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   cleaningwoman     10-23-03     42  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Nash     10-23-03     44  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   cleaningwoman     10-23-03     46  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Blow by Blow     10-23-03     45  
         Big Lie = Bonhome?   Chez     10-24-03     47  
             RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   Acawap     10-24-03     49  
                 RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   Dominique     10-28-03     94  
             RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   YoHoHo     10-24-03     50  
                 RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   cleaningwoman     10-24-03     51  
                     RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   YoHoHo     10-24-03     52  
                         RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   Acawap     10-24-03     53  
                             RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   YoHoHo     10-24-03     54  
                                 RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   pmspml5     10-24-03     55  
                     RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   1derfool     10-24-03     57  
                     RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   ADKer     10-25-03     58  
                 RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   pdragonfly     10-24-03     56  
                     i figured it out!!   fishtank     10-25-03     59  
                         RE: i figured it out!!   pdragonfly     10-25-03     60  
                         RE: i figured it out!!   Acawap     10-27-03     64  
                 RE: Big Lie = Bonhome?   PhoenixMons     10-26-03     62  
    Big Twist based on folklore?   1derfool     10-25-03     61  
     RE: Big Twist based on folklore?   mistofleas     10-27-03     63  
         I think it is Osten - not for the s...   PLC123     10-27-03     65  
             RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   VerucaSalt     10-28-03     66  
                 RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   Acawap     10-28-03     67  
                     RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   pmspml5     10-28-03     68  
                         RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   LeftPinky     10-28-03     69  
                     RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   Brownroach     10-28-03     72  
                 RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   aethelstan     10-28-03     71  
                     RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   Brownroach     10-28-03     74  
                 RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   Joyful     10-28-03     77  
                     RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   Bebo     10-28-03     78  
             RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   lizzmac     10-28-03     70  
                 OSTEN QUITS!   ElroyJetson     10-28-03     80  
                 RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   toddE     10-28-03     83  
                     RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   lizzmac     10-28-03     84  
                         RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   Blow by Blow     10-28-03     88  
                             RE: I think it is Osten - not for t...   joannie     10-28-03     91  
   Other site news, and more-   Chez     10-28-03     73  
     RE: Other site news, and more-   Acawap     10-28-03     75  
         Osten assaulting someone!!!   Chez     10-28-03     93  
     RE: Other site news, and more-   VerucaSalt     10-28-03     76  
         RE: Other site news, and more-   pmspml5     10-28-03     79  
             RE: Other site news, and more-   VerucaSalt     10-28-03     81  
         Osten et al.   aethelstan     10-28-03     82  
             RE: Osten et al.   pdragonfly     10-28-03     85  
             RE: Osten et al.   Acawap     10-28-03     86  
                 We need to remember   jkokoj     10-28-03     87  
                     RE: We need to remember   Brownroach     10-28-03     89  
             RE: Osten et al.   BrassFan     10-29-03     99  
                 Good lie!   aethelstan     10-29-03     102  
                     RE: Good lie!   mistofleas     10-29-03     104  
                     RE: Good lie!   Dominique     10-29-03     105  
                 RE: Osten et al.   Breezy     10-29-03     103  
                     RE: Osten et al.   LeftPinky     10-29-03     106  
                         RE: Osten et al.   Dominique     10-29-03     107  
                 RE: Osten et al.   KObrien_fan     10-29-03     108  
                     RE: Osten et al.   BrassFan     10-29-03     113  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   blacknwhitedog     10-28-03     90  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Loquatrix     10-28-03     92  
         Osten   Devious Weasel     10-29-03     114  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   homie     10-29-03     96  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   pmspml5     10-29-03     97  
   BL/BR-Jon/Rupert & context   mavsfan     10-29-03     95  
     RE: BL/BR-Jon/Rupert & context   pmspml5     10-29-03     98  
     RE: BL/BR-Jon/Rupert & context   mistofleas     10-29-03     100  
     RE: BL/BR-Jon/Rupert & context   Brownroach     10-29-03     101  
         RE: BL/BR-Jon/Rupert & context   mavsfan     10-29-03     123  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Acawap     10-29-03     109  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Brownroach     10-29-03     110  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   VerucaSalt     10-29-03     111  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   Acawap     10-29-03     112  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   mistofleas     10-29-03     115  
   About Lill - pure rant (sorry)   Blow by Blow     10-29-03     116  
     RE: About Lill - pure rant (sorry)   pmspml5     10-29-03     117  
     RE: About Lill - pure rant (sorry)   mistofleas     10-29-03     118  
         RE: About Lill - pure rant (sorry)   VerucaSalt     10-29-03     119  
         RE: About Lill - pure rant (sorry)   Blow by Blow     10-29-03     120  
     RE: About Lill - pure rant (sorry)   KObrien_fan     10-29-03     121  
         RE: About Lill - pure rant (sorry)   Acawap     10-29-03     122  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret --Just a T...   cnsrol     10-30-03     124  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   BrassFan     10-30-03     125  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   VerucaSalt     10-30-03     126  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   badger     10-30-03     127  
             RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   pmspml5     10-30-03     128  
                 RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   BrassFan     10-30-03     129  
   Regrettable incident is tonight   Brownroach     10-30-03     130  
     A Thought   Devious Weasel     10-30-03     131  
         RE: A Thought   Brownroach     10-30-03     132  
         RE: A Thought   Bebo     10-30-03     134  
     RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   frisky     10-30-03     133  
         RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   DoodleBug     10-30-03     135  
         RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   Acawap     10-30-03     136  
         RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   Devious Weasel     10-30-03     137  
             RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   frisky     10-30-03     139  
             RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   badger     10-30-03     140  
         RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   Brownroach     10-30-03     138  
             RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   Acawap     10-30-03     141  
                 RE: Really Christa weighs 125?   KObrien_fan     10-30-03     142  
                     RE: Really Christa weighs 125?   Acawap     10-30-03     143  
     RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   Barendd     10-30-03     144  
         RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   BrassFan     10-30-03     145  
             RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   ExInterper     10-30-03     146  
                 RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   Barendd     10-30-03     147  
                     RE: Regrettable incident is tonight   BrassFan     10-30-03     149  
   So now we know...   princessoftides     10-30-03     148  
     Big Lie   buckeyegirl     10-31-03     150  
         RE: Big Lie   VerucaSalt     10-31-03     151  
             RE: Big Lie   princessoftides     10-31-03     152  
   RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   mistofleas     10-31-03     153  
     RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   frisky     10-31-03     154  
         RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   buckeyegirl     10-31-03     155  
             RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   teffi     11-01-03     156  
                 RE: Big Lie / Big Regret / Big Twis...   VerucaSalt     11-01-03     157  
   where the fluff   cqvenus     11-02-03     158  

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