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43. "RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:"
Hello everyone. I am very sad that there is so much that is polarizing this season. Clearly, the characters this season evoke alot of feeling, either you love them or you hate them. But, it has gotten to the point where I feel we are "bullying" each other. It is very ugly, and makes me seriously want to leave these boards. I never thought I'd feel that way as I so enjoy dissecting the game each week. I felt that KO's thread was very polarizing. Not KO, just her post. So much so that I found it incredulous. Trying to examine the downfall of Savaii by crucifying it's members, but it "seemed" to me that all of the evidence or most all of the evidence she provided was supposition. It was a moot point, we don't know what was done and possibly edited out. Therefore, this is why I am posting this retort in this thread.

I am not calling anyone out. I love everyone at these boards. But, people are all entitled to their opinions. Can't we leave that alone.

While I defended Ozzy's position in the game, his actions, I am not all over him like you, should I say some?, suppose that I am. I really enjoyed and respected his game play in Cook Islands. Since then I do think he's become a bit too "Bob Marley" for my personal tastes. But, never the less, I see a character this season that is indeed "playing to win". I respect that, regardless of what a bad actor he is. He's playing to win. He did make alot of mistakes in this season already, we know this, he's been lazy, and arrogant, but he has not bullied anyone that I can see. You guys, and the audience, and me...we can make up their own minds. Why do we need to argue over our own reactions to the editing? For me, I see it as Kiki does. Appealing to the tribe to get rid of the weakest perceived member is playing the game. He's not picked on Cochran, he's not called him names, he's not withheld anything from him and he's not ignored him. Quite the contrary. I see it as Kiki, in that the tribe has never embraced Ozzy. I am NOT saying that that is right or wrong on anyone's part. But, the editing has made me sympathetic toward Ozzy.

For me, I see Cochran as inept in reality, but he appears to believe that he's more of a game player than what I see. In the first episode his arguing was over the top, when the tribe had already decided. A little too desperate, imo, but I suppose I can't fault him for that. But, I did think to myself that he's not going to make a very good lawyer if this is an example of his argument.

I saw him gravitating to Dawn and Papa Bear, I didn't really see him trying to make inroads with others either. Not that the "cool kids" did either. He didn't even want to go in the water with them all the first day....his insecurities separate him...but is that everyone else's fault?

He was quick to alienate Ozzy when Ozzy reacted poorly to Elyse's blindside. I can't blame him for that. If I was low man on the totem pole I would note that as well. But, throwing the whole tribe under the bus to save yourself, imo, is not an "honorable way to play". I didn't even think that Keith "bullied" him when he noted that he thought the best course of action was to take responsibility for your own actions...I thought it was speaking his mind. Too bad if Cochran thinks it is. That's immature and selfish, imo. It notes poor character, imo. I couldn't respect the individual that would do that, so early at the merge when there were other options. No doubt there was risk. I found it cowardly. Perhaps I look at him as a mom would, and I don't like what I see. To deceive an adversary in the game is strategic, imo, but to deceive your entire tribe was self serving and cowardly. It crosses a line, "for me".

I don't understand why people can not accept anger and the expression of anger. Being dishonest, going back on your word makes others angry. It's ok to express anger. It's healthy. Perhaps it could even begin to lead to resolution. Ozzy had a right to feel betrayed and angry at his tribe when he was blindsided with the Elyse boot. The Savaii tribe has a right to feel angry as well. I don't consider voicing anger as bullying when the anger is a natural reaction to betrayal.

So, I accept that alot of folks seem to have great feelings for Ozzy and Cochran. Good or bad. I also think that the editing of the show is trying to soften the character that is Cochran. Which gives me pause. I don't see it. But, nevertheless, it is what it is! Cochran appeared to play into the "they are bullying me" thinking of Coach. But, this could have been used as a ploy to make the Upolu's think that he was turning to them. Same can be said with his "gossiping" about the Savaii's to the Upolu's. Talking about Ozzy to them, noting that "it came to him in a dream". I can give him the benefit of the doubt regarding those events.

Anyway, I most admire the giving it everything you've got in challenges, and folks that play with their teams, not against them. Like Boston Rob did, like Chris did, like Yul did. Sure we can argue all we want, but the editing evokes things in me and it's my opinion. I'm entitled to it, as others are to theirs. But, I can't take all of the harsh feelings that others seem to be pointing towards each other. Can we please try and relax a little here.

This is a game. No matter who wins, they deserve it. If they can get to the end and get the jury votes, than they certainly deserve it. Cochran is edited to be a big character this season, no doubt about it. He evokes disgust from me at this point. His edit would have to explain a lot to me in the future for me to come around, perhaps it will.

Regarding Ozzy, I still see that the editors like him. I do see him headed for a fall to RI soon, but with the confessional "I will never stop trying as long as I live", marked with the rainbow. I see Ozzy winning at RI, as long as he is there, perhaps. I still see him with a shot at winning the game. He is the hero, in editing terms, not mine, where Cochran is the "anti-hero". I still am inclined to think that someone from Savaii will win this game.

I see Coach's arc as heading downward. With the return of Tocantins Chi-Coach, which was Coach 1.0. Sophie and Albert are an enigma to me. I am stuck on Albert going to RI, as in the first episode when Jiffy talked about RI, they zoomed in on Albert, imo. I can't help but to wonder about that. I will try and go back and watch ep one and post the vidcaps to underline my thoughts.

I see Dawn as a mom too. I don't think she is the winner. Thanks everyone for all of your thoughts. I hope it was appropriate to post these thoughts here. I don't want to argue with anyone. I respect your opinions and I love to hear why you think as you do.


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 The Players, The Game, The Editing ...   dabo     11-04-11       
   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   samboohoo     11-04-11     1  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     11-04-11     2  
   RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   glennyfromtheblock     11-05-11     3  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Outfrontgirl     11-05-11     4  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     11-05-11     6  
         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Belle Book     11-05-11     7  
             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     11-05-11     9  
                 RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Belle Book     11-05-11     10  
                 RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   kiki_k     11-05-11     11  
                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Corvis     11-05-11     12  
                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   kiki_k     11-05-11     14  
                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   Belle Book     11-05-11     17  
                     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     11-05-11     23  
                         RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   kiki_k     11-06-11     24  
                             RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   dabo     11-06-11     30  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   PepeLePew13     11-05-11     8  
     RE: The Players, The Game, The Edit...   michel     11-06-11     35  
   I Don't Believe in Redemption!   Outfrontgirl     11-05-11     5  
     RE: I Don't Believe in Redemption!   Corvis     11-05-11     13  
   Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   michel     11-05-11     15  
     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   PepeLePew13     11-05-11     16  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   michel     11-05-11     19  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Belle Book     11-05-11     21  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   glennyfromtheblock     11-05-11     20  
     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Belle Book     11-05-11     18  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Outfrontgirl     11-05-11     22  
     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   kiki_k     11-06-11     25  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Corvis     11-06-11     26  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   PepeLePew13     11-06-11     29  
                 RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   kiki_k     11-06-11     31  
                     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   PepeLePew13     11-06-11     33  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   kiki_k     11-06-11     32  
                 RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Corvis     11-06-11     37  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Belle Book     11-06-11     39  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Brownroach     11-07-11     49  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Flowerpower     11-07-11     43  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   michel     11-07-11     51  
                 RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Flowerpower     11-07-11     52  
     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   blueeyed     11-06-11     27  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Corvis     11-06-11     28  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   michel     11-06-11     34  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   blueeyed     11-06-11     36  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Slider     11-06-11     41  
                 RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   michel     11-06-11     42  
                     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   parathor     11-07-11     44  
     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Dangerous     11-06-11     38  
         RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   dabo     11-06-11     40  
             RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   stu45     11-07-11     45  
                 RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Belle Book     11-07-11     46  
                     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   dabo     11-07-11     47  
                     RE: Episode 8 - Editing thoughts:   Corvis     11-07-11     48  
     Revisiting Dawn's Edit   michel     11-07-11     50  
         RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   Flowerpower     11-07-11     53  
             RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   michel     11-07-11     56  
         RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   blueeyed     11-07-11     54  
             RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   michel     11-07-11     55  
         RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   dabo     11-08-11     57  
         RE: Cochran = Anakin?   parathor     11-08-11     58  
             RE: Cochran = Anakin?   stu45     11-08-11     59  
                 RE: Cochran = Anakin?   PepeLePew13     11-08-11     60  
                     Nerd love   Outfrontgirl     11-08-11     61  
         RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   Outfrontgirl     11-08-11     62  
             RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   michel     11-08-11     63  
                 RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   Outfrontgirl     11-08-11     64  
                     RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   Belle Book     11-09-11     65  
                     RE: Revisiting Dawn's Edit   Delurker_MN     11-10-11     66  
   Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     11-12-11     67  
     RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   Delurker_MN     11-12-11     68  
         RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     11-13-11     74  
     RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   Belle Book     11-12-11     69  
         RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   Slider     11-12-11     70  
             RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   rose1974     11-13-11     71  
                 RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     11-13-11     73  
             RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   michel     11-13-11     72  
                 RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   Belle Book     11-13-11     75  
     RE: Episode 9 - Editing Thoughts:   parathor     11-14-11     76  
   Jim (potential juror) assesses Coch...   Outfrontgirl     11-15-11     77  
     RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   Outfrontgirl     11-15-11     78  
         RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   stu45     11-15-11     79  
             RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   Outfrontgirl     11-15-11     80  
         RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   michel     11-15-11     81  
             Just FYI   dabo     11-16-11     82  
             RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   Outfrontgirl     11-16-11     83  
             some John edit stuff   OllieKat     11-16-11     84  
                 RE: some John edit stuff   dabo     11-16-11     85  
                 RE: some John edit stuff   michel     11-16-11     88  
                     RE: some John edit stuff   dabo     11-16-11     90  
                         RE: some John edit stuff   michel     11-16-11     91  
                 RE: some John edit stuff   stu45     11-17-11     97  
         RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   VerucaSalt     11-16-11     86  
             RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   Booted     11-16-11     87  
             RE: Jim (potential juror) assesses ...   Outfrontgirl     11-16-11     89  
   Ozzy   kiki_k     11-17-11     92  
     RE: Ozzy   baddove     11-17-11     93  
         RE: Ozzy   kiki_k     11-17-11     94  
             I will add this though   kiki_k     11-17-11     96  
                 RE: I will add this though   parathor     11-17-11     111  
                     RE: I will add this though   kiki_k     11-17-11     113  
         RE: Ozzy   Lasann     11-17-11     95  
     RE: Ozzy   Scarlett O Hara     11-17-11     98  
         RE: Ozzy   Lasann     11-18-11     131  
     RE: Ozzy   Flowerpower     11-17-11     99  
         RE: Ozzy   PepeLePew13     11-17-11     100  
             RE: Ozzy   Belle Book     11-17-11     110  
     RE: Ozzy   michel     11-17-11     101  
         RE: Ozzy   Flowerpower     11-17-11     102  
             RE: Ozzy   michel     11-17-11     104  
                 RE: Ozzy   CTgirl     11-17-11     107  
             RE: Ozzy   michel     11-17-11     105  
             LMFAO!   kiki_k     11-17-11     108  
                 RE: LMFAO!   michel     11-17-11     114  
                     RE: LMFAO!   kiki_k     11-17-11     115  
                         RE: LMFAO!   michel     11-17-11     116  
                         RE: LMFAO!   dabo     11-18-11     117  
                             RE: LMFAO!   Outfrontgirl     11-18-11     118  
                         RE: LMFAO!   Delurker_MN     11-18-11     119  
                             RE: LMFAO!   kiki_k     11-18-11     122  
     RE: Ozzy   CTgirl     11-17-11     103  
     RE: Ozzy   Belle Book     11-17-11     106  
         RE: Ozzy   kiki_k     11-17-11     109  
         One more thing   kiki_k     11-17-11     112  
         RE: Ozzy   Delurker_MN     11-18-11     120  
             Sophie power   Outfrontgirl     11-18-11     121  
                 RE: Sophie power   Outfrontgirl     11-18-11     123  
                 RE: Sophie power   kiki_k     11-18-11     124  
                 RE: Sophie power   Flowerpower     11-18-11     125  
                 RE: Sophie power   Belle Book     11-18-11     126  
                     RE: Sophie power   Flowerpower     11-18-11     127  
                         RE: Sophie power   Belle Book     11-18-11     128  
                 RE: Sophie power   glennyfromtheblock     11-18-11     129  
                     RE: Sophie power   Belle Book     11-18-11     130  
                         RE: Sophie power   Outfrontgirl     11-19-11     132  
                             RE: Sophie power   PepeLePew13     11-19-11     141  
                                 RE: Sophie power   Outfrontgirl     11-19-11     142  
   Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-19-11     133  
     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   dabo     11-19-11     134  
         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-19-11     137  
     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   rose1974     11-19-11     135  
         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   kiki_k     11-19-11     136  
         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-19-11     138  
     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Belle Book     11-19-11     139  
     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Flowerpower     11-19-11     140  
         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Outfrontgirl     11-19-11     143  
             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Belle Book     11-19-11     146  
                 In fairness   kiki_k     11-19-11     147  
                     RE: In fairness   Belle Book     11-20-11     149  
         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   kiki_k     11-19-11     144  
             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   PepeLePew13     11-20-11     150  
                 RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-20-11     151  
                     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   PepeLePew13     11-20-11     152  
                     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   kiki_k     11-20-11     153  
                         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Outfrontgirl     11-20-11     154  
                             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   kiki_k     11-21-11     155  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   dabo     11-21-11     156  
                                     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   PepeLePew13     11-21-11     160  
                                         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-21-11     163  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   dabo     11-21-11     164  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-21-11     165  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   dabo     11-21-11     166  
                                             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Belle Book     11-21-11     168  
                                     Missing the point   kiki_k     11-21-11     167  
                                 RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Outfrontgirl     11-23-11     178  
         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-19-11     145  
             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   kiki_k     11-19-11     148  
             RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   parathor     11-21-11     157  
                 RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-21-11     158  
                     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   parathor     11-21-11     159  
                         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   michel     11-21-11     161  
                     RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   kiki_k     11-21-11     162  
                         RE: Episode 10 - Editing Thoughts   Belle Book     11-21-11     169  
   Revisit Women's Edit Thing   dabo     11-22-11     170  
     RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   kiki_k     11-22-11     171  
         RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   dabo     11-22-11     172  
             RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   kiki_k     11-23-11     177  
                 RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   Outfrontgirl     11-23-11     179  
                 RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   Georjanna     11-23-11     181  
     RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   michel     11-22-11     173  
         RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   dabo     11-22-11     174  
             RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   michel     11-22-11     175  
                 RE: Revisit Women's Edit Thing   dabo     11-23-11     176  
   Thoughts on the CBS website clips   Outfrontgirl     11-23-11     180  
     RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   michel     11-23-11     182  
         Quick rules of thumb for recap toni...   rose1974     11-23-11     183  
             RE: Quick rules of thumb for recap ...   Outfrontgirl     11-23-11     184  
             RE: Quick rules of thumb for recap ...   PepeLePew13     11-23-11     186  
         RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   Outfrontgirl     11-23-11     185  
             RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   michel     11-23-11     187  
                 RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   SurvivorFan101     11-23-11     188  
                     RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   michel     11-23-11     189  
                     RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   Outfrontgirl     11-23-11     190  
                         RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   michel     11-23-11     191  
                             RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   stu45     11-24-11     192  
                                 RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   michel     11-24-11     193  
                                     RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   stu45     11-25-11     194  
                                         RE: Thoughts on the CBS website cli...   Belle Book     11-25-11     195  
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