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"Obamacare meets the Supreme Court"
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LAST EDITED ON 04-04-12 AT 07:31 PM (EST)You have to remember that Fried is the solicitor general who lost the horrific Dole v. South Dakota case, which allowed Congress to set a national drinking age of 21. How? My speculation, from listening to him in class, is that Fried does not actually believe in federalism. Here's an example, which Scalia discussed in the transcript: Fried told Congress that it had the power to pass a law to require everyone to buy vegetables. Yes, even broccoli. Harvard Law's Fried: A Broccoli Mandate is Constitutional BTW, Fried was an Obama supporter in 2008. But I don't think his view was influenced by that. I just don't think he really believes in federalism. The only two liberals that I saw even acknowledge the case that Obamacare's individual mandate was unconstitutional were not lawyers: Howard Dean (who is a doctor, not a lawyer) and Paul Starr of Princeton (who studied law at Yale but has a Ph.D in sociology, not law). Here was Starr's comment: The Mandate Miscalculation <In 1993>, the Supreme Court also set no effective limits on the use of the interstate commerce clause as a basis of federal authority. But . . . things have changed since then. . . . <B>eginning in 1995, the Court set limits on the application of the commerce clause. . . . <T>he Court’s general movement in restricting use of the commerce clause should have made Democrats wary of resting the mandate’s constitutionality primarily on that basis when they could almost certainly have made the law bulletproof by framing it unambiguously under the taxing power of Congress. In one alternative, for example, the law could have imposed a tax to pay for health care, while providing an offsetting credit to those with insurance. The effect would have been identical to the mandate. To congressional Democrats, however, the use of a tax was politically inconceivable.
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Obamacare meets the Supreme Court |
AyaK |
03-24-12 |
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RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
Estee |
03-24-12 |
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RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
AyaK |
03-25-12 |
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RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
kingfish |
03-24-12 |
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foonermints |
03-24-12 |
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kingfish |
03-24-12 |
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A legal question. |
Max Headroom |
03-24-12 |
5 |
RE: A legal question. |
AyaK |
03-25-12 |
7 |
Day 1 |
AyaK |
03-26-12 |
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RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
kingfish |
03-27-12 |
9 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
AyaK |
03-28-12 |
10 |
Transcripts |
AyaK |
03-28-12 |
11 |
RE: Transcripts |
Estee |
03-28-12 |
12 |
RE: Transcripts |
ginger |
03-29-12 |
13 |
RE: Transcripts |
ginger |
03-29-12 |
14 |
RE: Transcripts |
kingfish |
03-29-12 |
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RE: Transcripts |
ginger |
04-04-12 |
19 |
RE: Transcripts |
kingfish |
04-04-12 |
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RE: Transcripts |
AyaK |
04-04-12 |
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RE: Transcripts |
AyaK |
03-29-12 |
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RE: Transcripts |
ginger |
04-04-12 |
20 |
RE: Transcripts |
AyaK |
04-04-12 |
23 |
RE: Transcripts |
newsomewayne |
04-04-12 |
24 |
Obama: open mouth, insert foot |
AyaK |
04-03-12 |
17 |
RE: Obama: open mouth, insert foot |
bondt007 |
04-04-12 |
18 |
RE: Obama: open mouth, insert foot |
samboohoo |
04-04-12 |
22 |
RE: Obama: open mouth, insert foot |
AyaK |
04-04-12 |
28 |
The Explanation |
dabo |
04-04-12 |
25 |
RE: The Explanation |
AyaK |
04-04-12 |
27 |
RE: The Explanation |
KeithFan |
04-04-12 |
29 |
RE: The Explanation |
dabo |
04-04-12 |
30 |
RE: The Explanation |
newsomewayne |
04-05-12 |
33 |
RE: The Explanation |
dabo |
04-05-12 |
35 |
RE: The Explanation |
AyaK |
04-05-12 |
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RE: The Explanation |
ginger |
04-05-12 |
38 |
RE: The Explanation |
AyaK |
04-05-12 |
41 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
KeithFan |
04-05-12 |
31 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
dabo |
04-05-12 |
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bondt007 |
04-05-12 |
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HobbsofMI |
04-05-12 |
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ginger |
04-05-12 |
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HobbsofMI |
04-05-12 |
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AyaK |
04-06-12 |
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RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
HobbsofMI |
04-11-12 |
59 |
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AyaK |
04-05-12 |
42 |
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ginger |
04-06-12 |
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RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
AyaK |
04-06-12 |
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ABA President speaks |
AyaK |
04-09-12 |
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AyaK's blunder |
AyaK |
04-06-12 |
44 |
RE: AyaK's blunder |
ginger |
04-09-12 |
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RE: AyaK's blunder |
AyaK |
04-09-12 |
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RE: AyaK's blunder |
kingfish |
04-09-12 |
50 |
RE: AyaK's blunder |
ginger |
04-10-12 |
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RE: AyaK's blunder |
AyaK |
04-10-12 |
57 |
RE: AyaK's blunder |
kingfish |
04-13-12 |
61 |
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Starshine |
04-10-12 |
51 |
RE: AyaK's blunder |
kingfish |
04-10-12 |
52 |
RE: AyaK's blunder |
Starshine |
04-10-12 |
53 |
RE: AyaK's blunder |
newsomewayne |
04-10-12 |
54 |
Anyway |
dabo |
04-10-12 |
55 |
RE: Anyway |
AyaK |
04-10-12 |
58 |
RE: Anyway |
dabo |
04-11-12 |
60 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
cahaya |
06-25-12 |
62 |
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kingfish |
06-25-12 |
63 |
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AyaK |
06-25-12 |
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cahaya |
06-25-12 |
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RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
AyaK |
06-26-12 |
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Starshine |
06-26-12 |
67 |
Upheld, 5-4. |
Estee |
06-28-12 |
68 |
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kingfish |
06-28-12 |
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Estee |
06-28-12 |
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frankz |
06-28-12 |
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Estee |
06-28-12 |
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frankz |
06-28-12 |
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RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
cahaya |
06-28-12 |
74 |
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Estee |
06-28-12 |
75 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
frankz |
06-28-12 |
77 |
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Estee |
06-28-12 |
79 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
frankz |
06-28-12 |
80 |
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Estee |
06-28-12 |
83 |
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frankz |
06-28-12 |
84 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
Tummy |
06-28-12 |
85 |
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Estee |
06-28-12 |
86 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
frankz |
06-28-12 |
87 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
Tummy |
06-28-12 |
89 |
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PepeLePew13 |
06-28-12 |
90 |
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bondt007 |
06-28-12 |
91 |
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Tummy |
06-28-12 |
92 |
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dabo |
06-29-12 |
113 |
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AyaK |
06-30-12 |
132 |
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frankz |
06-28-12 |
93 |
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PepeLePew13 |
06-28-12 |
95 |
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frankz |
06-28-12 |
96 |
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cahaya |
06-28-12 |
97 |
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frankz |
06-29-12 |
99 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
HobbsofMI |
06-29-12 |
101 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
AyaK |
07-02-12 |
140 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
frankz |
06-28-12 |
76 |
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Estee |
06-28-12 |
78 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
HobbsofMI |
06-28-12 |
82 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
HobbsofMI |
06-28-12 |
81 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
angelworth29 |
06-28-12 |
88 |
RE: Upheld, 5-4. |
cahaya |
06-28-12 |
94 |
Because that's exactly how i... |
Estee |
06-29-12 |
98 |
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kingfish |
06-29-12 |
100 |
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KeithFan |
06-29-12 |
102 |
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kingfish |
06-29-12 |
108 |
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Estee |
06-29-12 |
110 |
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HobbsofMI |
06-29-12 |
111 |
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kingfish |
06-29-12 |
112 |
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HobbsofMI |
06-29-12 |
120 |
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kingfish |
06-29-12 |
123 |
RE: Because that's exactly h... |
Snidget |
06-29-12 |
105 |
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Estee |
06-29-12 |
107 |
Can we get someone to use this poll... |
Snidget |
06-29-12 |
114 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
KeithFan |
06-29-12 |
103 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
Estee |
06-29-12 |
104 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
KeithFan |
07-01-12 |
134 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
dabo |
07-01-12 |
136 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
KeithFan |
07-02-12 |
137 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
dabo |
07-02-12 |
138 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
KeithFan |
07-06-12 |
152 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
HobbsofMI |
06-29-12 |
106 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
kingfish |
06-29-12 |
109 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
dabo |
06-29-12 |
117 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
kingfish |
06-29-12 |
122 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
dabo |
06-29-12 |
126 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
mrc |
06-29-12 |
115 |
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frankz |
06-29-12 |
119 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
mrc |
06-29-12 |
125 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
kingfish |
06-29-12 |
127 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
HobbsofMI |
06-29-12 |
121 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
mrc |
06-29-12 |
124 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
kingfish |
06-29-12 |
128 |
Roberts' intent |
AyaK |
07-02-12 |
143 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
PepeLePew13 |
06-29-12 |
116 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
frankz |
06-29-12 |
118 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
cahaya |
06-29-12 |
129 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
PepeLePew13 |
06-29-12 |
130 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
dabo |
07-02-12 |
139 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
AyaK |
07-02-12 |
144 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
PepeLePew13 |
07-02-12 |
145 |
RE: Obamacare meets the Supreme Cou... |
Max Headroom |
06-29-12 |
131 |
It's Romney's fault. |
Estee |
07-01-12 |
133 |
RE: It's Romney's fault. |
KeithFan |
07-01-12 |
135 |
RE: It's Romney's fault. |
AyaK |
07-02-12 |
141 |
Mr. Etch A Sketch opens his mouth a... |
HobbsofMI |
07-02-12 |
142 |
RE: It's Romney's fault. |
cahaya |
07-02-12 |
146 |
RE: It's Romney's fault. |
AyaK |
07-03-12 |
147 |
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HobbsofMI |
07-03-12 |
148 |
Don't tell me -- |
Estee |
07-03-12 |
149 |
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AyaK |
07-03-12 |
150 |
RE: Don't tell me -- |
cahaya |
07-03-12 |
151 |
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