Hartmann isn't a liberal, he is a supposed libertarian, or at least he thinks he is.Years ago, maybe. I've only listened to him for the past few months. From everything I've heard him say, I'd disagree. He's either an Obama cheerleader or hitting him from the left. (Which is an amazing achievement, getting further left than O.) I don't think he thinks he's libertarian, either. Thom .. Liberally yours column
His relevance, I'll not worry about.
I think the disreputable Reagan era movement to redefine liberals came first
You went way further out than I did. I just meant this thread.
white noise - I knew what you meant. I just perversely enjoyed the unintentional pun, given the subject.
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