Okay, I've got a couple of thoughts here and we were going off on a tangent in the "near drowning" thread so I figured I'd start a new thread to make everything a little easier to follow.

I'd like us to expand our thinking of the "big lie" (known heretofore as BL) I think back to the lie that Jeri told about Kel and the beef jerkey. (okay that wasn't a full out lie, but she did milk it to get him booted). So if we're going to take Jeff at his word (which is most often a mistake, I admit!) then let's look at his quotes:

"There is the greatest lie ever told in 'Survivor' this season. It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant...My first reaction was, 'M- - - - -f- - - - -.' "

For the sake of the calendar spoilers, this morning on the Emmy Award Announcements Post Show on E!, Jeff Probst announced that today was day 25 (their time) of shooting. He said they had about 20 days left there. He also said two noteworthy 'events' have happened that have never happened on Survivor before.

JP said the "greatest lie ever told" was on this season he also said there was "some regret." But emphasized regret. Elliot asked about the Ghandia-Ted incident and JP said this "regret" tops even that because with the Ghandia-Ted thing, you could at least play it off as happening in your sleep.

Probst says Dalton, an art consultant from Virginia, takes the prize for "squirreliest" contestant ever. He's responsible for "the greatest lie ever told on Survivor," says Probst, who's heard a few whoppers....

It leads to the "biggest regret" and "the most dramatic, impactful twist yet," he says. Hey -- we thought Dalton told the biggest whopper. RRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Looking at these Probst quotes I'm going to put forth some random thoughts.

First off we can know from the second Probst quote that the 2 noteworthy "events" happen on or before day 19 (quote: "He said they had about 20 days left there. He also said two noteworthy 'events' have happened that have never happened on Survivor before.") This would mean that the "Big Twist" (known heretofore at "BT") AND the BL have already happened.

Since Veruca has brought us the information that Jon is responsible for "the greatest lie ever told on Survivor.." we can guess that Jon sticks around for awhile to be able to not only tell the lie but then "regret" it.

We're talking about someone getting back into the game. An older woman. The only older woman on Jon's tribe would be Trish. Could we be looking at something that Jon tells his tribemates regarding Trish that gets her voted off (and fairly early)? Something that would cause Probst to say "It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant...My first reaction was, 'M- - - - -f- - - - -."?

Then Jon would live to regret it when Trish is given the chance to come back with the BT. Trish is then able to use that BL against him and get his butt voted off.

Thoughts? Comments? Additions? Subtractions?

--now has a headache from thinking too much