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"Stupid Twist #2: Welcome to Big Brother #1."
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"Stupid Twist #2: Welcome to Big Brother #1." |
Well, let's see. Given the potential nature of the majority of remaining viewers after Aryan Nation chased off those who don't like to spend three hours a week gritting their teeth, we can probably assume there's no way she's going up. And all of her fans will vote Candice onto the block. Or possibly Howard, because he's a man of faith and since that faith is possessed by someone who isn't them, he must be punished.If you're going to bother voting, do so on the show's website: those aren't charged for. Don't give Grodner any more money than she deserves, and that amount is 'none'. But keep in mind that ultimately, no matter what they say the rules are (Judd not eligible, if the #1 vote getter is already on the block then second place takes the seat and so on down the line), you know who's going up? Whoever the rats want to go up. As always: it's an excuse for one of the cheapest shows on television to make money which they will in no way spend on the production. They're sure not using to improve next season's casting process. Or maybe they just want Aryan up that badly... ...nah. It's the money. 
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1. "RE: Stupid Twist #2: Welcome to Big Brother #1." |
Rumor has it that Grodner keeps the money from the tip jar in the cafeteria.
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07-19-13, 05:03 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Stupid Twist #2: Welcome to Big Brother #1." |
From what I gather, America wants a lynching.
CBS is merely pointing a finger at offering up a victim. Of our choosing.
If America were as smart as they say they are they would realize that Aaryn is now the PERFECT final 2 goat for whichever of their favorite HG they want to win. They should keep Aaryn and pick on someone else who deserves to be considered a threat.
Hmmm...I may be forcasting here but me thinks the hamsters may prove to be smarter than America this week. *shudder*
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07-20-13, 07:06 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Stupid Twist #2: Welcome to Big Brother #1." |
As openly critical as I am when posters cry "conspiracy theory" when things don't go their way, if Aaryn does not get America's MVP vote for the third nominee, even I might have to say, "something is rotten in the State of Denmark."Actually I would think that Production is hoping desperately for Aaryn and GinaMarie to make the Jury. By doing so CBS/Julie wouldn't have to address or deal with what's waiting for them back in the "real world." If they make the jury, they would be immediately sequestered and not know their fate until AFTER finale night. In any event there'll be no booing from the audience. I'm not sure if it was on these Boards or somewhere else on the internet I read post/blog from someone who attended the Finale for BB6. That was the season when Kaysar was America's Darling. The turd herd betrayed Kaysar and as cowards backdoored him leaving his many fans in an uproar. This writer said before the jury members (some of which were the cowards in this turd herd) were announced and entered the stage, they were FIRMLY instructed that NOOOO booing or jeering would be tolerated when those who betrayed Kaysar were announced. So I'm pretty sure if/when Aaryn is about to walk out the door, the audience will be given these same instructions.
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07-26-13, 08:47 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Stupid Twist #2: Welcome to Big Brother #1." |
I haven't heard anything about it...but then again I never go into Spoilers. I only participate in Fanatics and Bashers.
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07-26-13, 09:21 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Well, now that we're no longer in spoiler territory, let me tell you what the show couldn't bring itself to admit: Elissa's nomination was partially an accident. And mostly stupidity.From what people have been able to backtrack using several sites, there were a large number of voters casting ballots for Elissa as MVP every week, apparently organized to some degree by Rachel. And on the night the MVP switched to 'America nominates the person with the most (or second or third most) votes', the Mindless Minions saw the MVP notification come up on the screen or the appointed hour arrive and started auto-casting for Elissa -- without paying any attention to what the Chenbot had actually said. They voted for her because it was a new week and it was time to vote for her again. It must have been interesting, being in the virtual room when the lights finally came on. Oh, they screamed about it afterwards... the protests can be found if you look closely. But ultimately, it was their own collective fault. They acted instead of thinking, and those extra automatic votes were enough to push Elissa into second or third place. Once Aryan and KKKaitlin were removed from the tally list by Judd's nominations, guess who was next up? (The FHags watchers -- what's left of the Worsters -- have been laughing about it for the better part of a week, and wondered what it would be like if, say, Idol did a one-week switch to 'And now you're directly voting someone out'. Probably the same thing, only with a lot more screaming.) It does bring up the question of whether we'll return to a hamster MVP any time soon -- or at all. But honestly, once people start paying attention again, the effect is about the same either way...
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07-27-13, 08:04 AM (EST)
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LOL...Interesting. First time I've heard this theory.I'm sure the "auto-casting" would certainly account for some of Elissa's votes. And I would understand if she placed 4th (for example) as a result. But unless I misunderstood Julie the results were 1st-Aaryn, 2nd-Elissa, and 3rd-GM. As much as I appropriately bash the morons the CBS idiots cast for BB, part of me wants to believe that most of America is not as stupid as the average CBS Reality Show contestant. When Elisss'a mug came up on the living room monitor as America's Choice my initial thought was the "love'em or hate'em" principle. Meaning a large number of voters love her, but a large number of voters dislike her with very few in between. In other words, if you drew a line graph on Elissa's popularity with one side of the graph liking her and the other side hating her it would plot out as a bell-curve. Conversely another HG (Jessie for example) would probably plot out a flat line across the graph. Well one thing is for sure...there should be NO misunderstanding for this week. If Elissa finishes again in the top three, then despite all of Brenchel's whinning and crying foul, I'm going to lean more toward my "bell-curve" theory.
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07-27-13, 09:21 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Snidget's theory had this as a sort of Idol situation: Aryan gets an overwhelming percentage of the public vote and every other hamster is left fighting for scraps at the bottom -- which would potentially mean the Mindless Minions threw Elissa just enough accidental votes to edge her over the remaining pack.
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07-28-13, 07:44 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-28-13 AT 07:59 PM (EST)
Without revealing anything without it airing first.
Rachel's freinds are real. They have influence over the vote mostly because "America" is so scattered with their choices.
America wants Aryan gone.
They also want G-Marie gone.
They also want Elissa gone.
Some even want Amanda to go away. Rachel's friends want Aryan out. Period. (However, this week they can't.)
BUT, Rachel's friends also want whatever Rachel thinks is best for Elissa.
I checked 8 different polls ranging from 250 voters to 4000 voters and the first MVP Aaryn was indeed first, by a long-shot. An average of 58% lead. Elissa nearly 20%, G-Marie and Amanda received close to 10%.
This week, without being able to vote for Aryan, and without revealing anything before the show airs...the names have changed but the percentages are nearly the same.
Rachel's friends are a real thing and they may very well have some pull and they could very well have influenced the large jump in a particular hamsters numbers.
The main problem for "America" is that "we" are fairly scattered in our choices. Whereas Rachel's friends (regardless of "real" size) are a voting block.
And if America were a hamster, we'd be on the block right now. Without the numbers to keep us in the game
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07-28-13, 09:44 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
I'd think that, with Elyssa winning MVP for the first three weeks, it's pretty obvious that the voters are mostly Rachel fans.
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07-29-13, 07:35 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Or just the most cohesive voting block. They don't have to be the majority of the voters, just a bit more consistent and less prone to vote splitting than the rest of the hamsters that didn't come in with a fan base had.
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07-30-13, 09:44 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-30-13 AT 09:59 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 07-30-13 AT 09:58 PM (EST) Since when has America ever done as told and voted for the best of anything on any show? It is a popularity contest and Elissa had an advantage in that her sister has fans. Every "America votes" is a popularity contest, not a vote for the best, just the favorite. ETA: I do think some of Rachel's fans (could be from the Amazing Race) were voting based on tweet shout outs and may not have really paid attention to show to know the "vote for Elissa again" campaign was misplaced. ETAA: And it wouldn't be the first time someone with fans from an entirely different show got people who don't watch the current show to vote for them when they are not at all what should be rewarded on a show as "good".
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07-30-13, 10:34 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
>Since when has America ever done
>as told and voted for
>the best of anything on
>any show?
>It is a popularity contest and
>Elissa had an advantage in
>that her sister has fans. Obviously and CBS was counting on it. One could say that the twist was rigged for Elyssa, knowing that there were many sheep following Rachel's campaign. I could understand Elyssa winning the first week but 3 in a row? There are some interesting characters this season (Helen, Andy...) that should have gained more popularity after week 1. Call them brainwashed, brain dead, fantards, whatever, there has to be a few of them voting for Elyssa.
>Every "America votes" is a popularity
>contest, not a vote for
>the best, just the favorite.
Yes, even the presidential one. Maybe there should be an Electoral College to sort out these votes!
>ETAA: And it wouldn't be the
>first time someone with fans
>from an entirely different show
>got people who don't watch
>the current show to vote
>for them when they are
>not at all what should
>be rewarded on a show
>as "good".
Isn't it dumb to vote for someone without any idea about the issues? Shouldn't one take time to get informed before voting? If one blindly gives a vote away then isn't one acting as if having been brainwashed?
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07-30-13, 10:48 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Well if America voted based on being informed I think from political elections on down we'd see much different results.Reality TV show voting has always been, in every case, a popularity contest. And I agree it wasn't fair to have only one hamster with a built in voting block going into the house. Once they won a MVP her voters probably kept voting because the had evidence they could win. Just like the can't dance person on DWTS with the built in fan base stays on for way too long. They have people voting for non-dance reasons, and once they save them once, they feel empowered to prove they can do it again. And it isn't like BB has to be fair, or has ever been fair, heck, even the regulators say it doesn't have to be.
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07-31-13, 10:16 PM (EST)
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If you find that BB cure...Well it just seemed you didn't understand why someone could vote because they were a fan rather than because of whatever non-popularity based criteria the production staff invents. At least SYTYCD generally only has good dancers on it and sells its winner as America's Favorite Dancer. I just think brainwashing implies the person asking for the votes has more control over the minions than they really do. Most of the minions are a bit too fickle to be suffering from real brainwashing and any avoidance of anyone with a different viewpoint is voluntary. Now that you are a rabid fantarding minion doesn't imply intelligence, but it doesn't mean the source of the irrational devotion is deliberately forcing the minions to be in their rabid fantarding groupie group rather than someone else's rabid fantarding groupie group.
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42. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
>Well it just seemed you didn't
>understand why someone could vote
>because they were a fan
>rather than because of whatever
>non-popularity based criteria the production
>staff invents.
Now that's funny!
>I just think brainwashing implies the
>person asking for the votes
>has more control over the
>minions than they really do.
> Most of the minions
>are a bit too fickle
>to be suffering from real
>brainwashing and any avoidance of
>anyone with a different viewpoint
>is voluntary.
You obviously have a more optimistic opinion of the average viewer than I do. I know you are busy recapping the show for the ECST but do you ever read the tweets that CBS posts during the show? It shows the intellectual level of those viewers that waste time voting for MVP, nominees and have-not menus. Why do these hamsters even have fans? I mean, I can understand someone finding Rachel amusing, even finding her good looking but going as far as becoming a fan? I guess it's a symptom of this messed up society where people like Bieber, Minaj and Kardashian are huge stars. There are a lot of idiots in the masses that feed on pop culture as if it was the nec plus ultra. It doesn't take much to convince idiots to do what you want them to do.
>Now that you are a rabid
>fantarding minion doesn't imply intelligence,
>but it doesn't mean the
>source of the irrational devotion
>is deliberately forcing the minions
>to be in their rabid
>fantarding groupie group rather than
>someone else's rabid fantarding groupie
>group.
Really? Rachel would freak out if her minions tweeted that they wanted Elissa out of the house. I'm sure she told her fans: "If you like me, vote for Elissa."
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07-29-13, 09:03 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Whoops...correction. MVP first three weeks and runner-up for nominee in week four. Either way, still supports my "bell-curve" theory.
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37. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Understand I'm not saying a HG has NO ONE who likes them or NO ONE who dislikes them. What the "bell-curve" theory suggests is a decent amount of fans who like them, a decent amount of BB fans who hate them, and VERY few in between. This season Elissa supports this theory more so than any other hamster in the house IMO. And yes, being Rachel's sister contributes to the high numbers on both sides."every player has both a love and a hate thread with hundreds of entries in each..."
Are you insinuating that the "hundreds" constitutes a fairly equal number of both love and hate for EVERY player? If not, than I have NO idea why you bring it up to respond to my post because I never indicated that in my post(s) and as mentioned above that's NOT what the bell-curve theory suggests.
There's NOOOOO way you will convince me (or most any viewer) that Aaryn lovers (if they even exist) mirrors the number of Aaryn haters. I could say the same for GM. No bell-curve with these HGs.
I also feel there's several "flatliners" as of week 4. Jessie and Andy would definitely be flatliners. No bell-curve with these HGs. I'd even say before Judd won HOH, he'd be a flatliner too. Conversely, I believe Helen is being shown as "America's Darling" thus far and no way I would believe the number of haters are remotely close to the number of lovers. No bell-curve here either.
"Elyssa is a terrible player so she wouldn't have gotten the MVP once if she wasn't Rachel's sister."
I agree; no debate here.
"However, she would get some votes for nominee even if she was unknown.
Not sure what you mean by "some votes." I suspect everyone's getting "some" votes. But make not mistake about it, the overwhelming number of votes she got to be week 4 nominee was because BB fans dislike Rachel; not because Elissa's a "terrible player." Personally I don't think being a great or terrible player factors into the criteria most fans are using to vote. Aaryn and GM were in the top three because they are racist bigots, not because of any gameplay (or lack thereof.)
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08-01-13, 06:13 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
"...why not simply say that some characters are polarizing while others are boring?"
Because A) it's not that "simple," and B) it's not an either/or proposition.
Yes there are "boring" HGs. Jessie is boring as heck. If Elissa was not Rachel's sister she's be boring too (except when doing her Yoga of course.)
Jeremy was definitely polarizing. Historically other characters were polarizing also ( i.e. ED, Jase, and Lydia & Ronnie the Rat from BB11 to name a few.) But SO many HGs (past and present) do not fall into either category. It's not that cut and dry. Cases in point: I think Helen is playing the best game thus far. My only criticism is the power may be going to her head and she might be playing too hard now, but hey...at least she's playing! So I would not say she's "boring" OR "polarizing." Ho-manda is McCrea's skanky whore. Is that boring? No. Is it polarizing? No. It's...well...being a skanky ho. And apparently a fair share of America share my assessment otherwise she would not be America's MVP nominee. My point being "bell-curve" (love'em or hate'em) is just ONE of many ways to assess a HG in the game of BB. Other ways would include boring or polarizing (just as you stated) as well as, skanky, proactive player who gives 100%, etc., etc.
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08-02-13, 06:32 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Agreed, the fight with Howard also played a bigger role than her showmance with McCrae. I believe however that Aaryn will be the nominee every week that she is eligible.
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49. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
"I believe however that Aaryn will be the nominee every week that she is eligible." Hard to debate that statement and wouldn't be surprised if she is America's nomination on Wednesday (assuming she's not put up on the block by the HOH on Sunday.) It will be interesting to see if she's garnished even a little support by not reneging on her deal. And it wasn't with just any HG...it was with Helen, quite arguably the most popular player this season thus far. You think keeping her word with Helen might be just enough to drop her out of top vote-getter for America's nominee this week???
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08-02-13, 08:32 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
My guess is that Aaryn will be the nominee because of the racism and because that's who Elissa wants voted out.
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48. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
No question if Aaryn was not HOH she would have received the most votes. But she was HOH and with that fact in mind, voters had to nominate a HG among the remaining 11.Yes people generally like showmances...but I didn't mentioned the word "showmance" when referencing Ho-manda. I said she was a skank and people generally do NOT like skanks. Jordan and Amb"a" were involved in showmances. They developed strong feelings for another player and even stole a kiss from them every now and then. To put that in the same category as how Ho-manda is behaving is ludicrous. Anyway I said a "fair share" of voters probably targeted Ho-manda because of her skanky behavior...not ALL of them. Her spat with Elissa as a big reason for her nomination is really a reach...although I do agree with Kingfish that being Anti-Howard played a big role in her being nominated as well. "ETA: I don't like your misuse of the bell curve because it is a mathematical tool to demonstrate the random distribution of one variable around an average value. Here, you have hate on one side of your curve, love on the other and no average value in the middle. That, by definition, constitutes two opposite poles, not a Gaussian curve." HUH...WHAT???!!!
Have you been getting advice from Howard on how to get your point across????? ROFLMAO
GEEZ, all I'm trying to say is with a "bell-curve" you have a large number of people liking you, a large number of people disliking you with very little in between. I TRULY believe the average reader knows EXACTLY what I'm trying to convey without your advanced placement mathematics mumbo-jumbo. LOL
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08-02-13, 08:27 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Advanced placement mathematics? No, simple statistics.Let me try it slowly: - A large number of people like you => One side of the spectrum.
- A large number of people dislike you => Opposite side of the spectrum. So, you have a large number of people on the negative end, a large number on the positive end but zero (or close to it) in the middle. In any bell curve, the highest value is attained in the middle but here we have zero viewers in the middle, the ones that don't care either way. Capisce? I wonder what makes Amanda a ho considering that her feelings for McCrae seem as genuine as Amber's or Jordan's. I also joyfully noticed that you forgot to mention Parvati in your reply. She is very popular among Survivor fans and that must still irk you! 
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08-02-13, 09:08 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-02-13 AT 09:37 PM (EST)Capisce???? AHHHH, not really. But don't sweat it, math and science were my weakest subjects.
It's not her feelings that makes her a ho...it's how she acts on her feelings. I'm not sold on how "genuine" Ho-manda's feelings are quite yet. This whole engagement/wedding in the House nonsense with someone with whom you didn't even know their existence a month ago is a bonafide joke IMO. Jeff and Jordan have been an item for a couple years now, and Rob and Amb"a" have a wedding certificate and two kids to show for it.
We've gone through the Perv-ati analogy a zillion times already which is why I didn't mention her now, but will "joyfully" recap.
It's hard to truly gauge Perv-ati on the skank-ameter because without soap, deodorant, shampoo, toothpaste and mouthwash on Survivor it makes the comparison apples-to-oranges when comparing her to skanks on BB.
And let's not forget she had her share of critics as well for her behavior, so I am not irked in the least.
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08-03-13, 06:22 AM (EST)
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54. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Then maybe you can stand on your head when you look at my "camel." This way it will put you on the same page as the other 99.999% who understand exactly what I'm saying.
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08-03-13, 09:54 AM (EST)
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56. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
OK...let me explain it better...Voters are going to rank someone or something on a scale of 1 to 5. One being they really like and five being they really dislike. Now image a graph where the X-axis (horizontal line) is numbered 1 - 5 across the axis. And a Y-axis (vertical line) showing the number of voters casting their vote. In a "love'em or hate'em" proposition, a lot of voters really liking (1) a lot of voters really disliking (5) and very few in between (3), the point for 1 would be high on the graph, 2 would be a little lower, 3 would be the lowest, 4 would begin to skew upward, and 5 would be high pretty close to the level of 1. Now draw a line to connect the dots...and WALLA!!!!!...guess what...you get a bell shaped curve!
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08-04-13, 05:53 AM (EST)
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57. "RE: Who's on in third?" |
Your bell curve is upside down. That's why nobody understands you.
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08-04-13, 04:24 PM (EST)
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"Aruba did say that I should stand on my head!Thanks Michel!
I was going to reiterate that statement but I figured why continue to beat a dead horse. Enough was enough. "PS. Walla? Your French also needs a refresher. It's "Voilą". I consider myself a "mutt" (have about six different decents in my heritage) but French is not one of them. Thanks for the correction, although I can't find the "a" with an accent on my keyboard???
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