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"Episode 5 Discussion---"
keep it here until midnight Thursday EDT, please, out of courtesy to our West Coast friends.

Thanks!

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--wonder how much UPS paid to get their product placement in this episode?

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 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 1
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 2
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 3
 Opps there it is... greenmonstah 10-07-04 4
   RE: Opps there it is... volsfan 10-07-04 7
       And there it goes... greenmonstah 10-07-04 18
           RE: And there it goes... seahorse 10-07-04 23
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 5
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- volsfan 10-07-04 6
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- greenmonstah 10-07-04 9
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- volsfan 10-07-04 11
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- anotherkim 10-07-04 8
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- greenmonstah 10-07-04 13
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- bombshell13 10-07-04 41
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 10
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 12
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- volsfan 10-07-04 14
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 15
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- anotherkim 10-07-04 16
       Acutally... volsfan 10-07-04 21
           RE: Acutally... seahorse 10-07-04 24
               RE: Acutally... volsfan 10-07-04 27
                   RE: Acutally... anotherkim 10-07-04 32
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- SurvivorBlows 10-07-04 34
           RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- Lisapooh 10-07-04 39
           RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- subman 10-07-04 47
               RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- TreeHugger51 10-08-04 57
           RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-08-04 52
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 17
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 19
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- Reba123 10-07-04 22
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- djandy 10-07-04 40
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- tannl 10-07-04 20
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- truffleshuffle 10-07-04 30
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 25
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 26
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- anotherkim 10-07-04 29
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 28
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 31
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- subman 10-07-04 48
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- djandy 10-07-04 50
           RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-08-04 53
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- tannl 10-07-04 33
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- arealityho 10-07-04 35
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- rtrader 10-07-04 37
           RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-08-04 54
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- tannl 10-07-04 44
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- Pepito 10-07-04 36
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- seahorse 10-07-04 38
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- bombshell13 10-07-04 42
           prices Angelfood 10-07-04 46
 RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- tannl 10-07-04 43
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- anotherkim 10-07-04 45
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- djandy 10-07-04 49
           RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- anotherkim 10-07-04 51
       RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- Loree 10-08-04 56
   RE: Episode 5 Discussion--- Reba123 10-08-04 55

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1. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Pamela was moved to the girls side and was named PM.

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2. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
The task was to go to QVC and sell a product and whoever made the most money from sales wins.

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3. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Pamela was acting like an authoritarian, dictating what everyone was doing, yet not taking a specific task for herself.

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4. "Opps there it is..."
I have a sudden crush on Raj.


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I got a little swoony just as he said "I am familiar with that concept."

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7. "RE: Opps there it is..."
OH NO! Say it ain't so!
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18. "And there it goes..."
Crush over.

I need a man who can keep up with me on the fine clay tennis courts of Missouri.


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23. "RE: And there it goes..."
What about Gus.

What about Rolly

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5. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
The girls are selling cleaning products called "It Works"
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6. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
WOW! After watching Survivor and seeing those women bicker the first 15 mins and now this 20 mins of the women bickering...I am bickered out!
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9. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
*snort* I love it. I could watch an hour long special of The Apprentce Women's Best Cat Fights.


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Who am I kidding, with the right snacks, I could sit through a marathon series of them.

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11. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I could watch them but for some reason...I am exhausted from it tonight!
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8. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"

Pamela has absolutely no people skills whatsoever.

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--I almost felt sympathy for Little Stacy

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13. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
And she waxes her eyebrows way too thin.


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Stacy and Pamela? Talk about your Mutt and Jeff.

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41. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
i'm not so sure - she whipped that group in shape in a very short time...she had to be the way she was because of all that infighting that group has a history of -- eg. when Jennifer C was fired -- they celebrated for a moment then they turned on each other - Ay Carumba! keep it business like - not personal...
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10. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
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The guys are selling grills but their sales are not that great. They sold 200 units compared to 800 expected. They probably did not offer enough of a discount.

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12. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
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The girls sold 650 units at about $20 each and they look to be big winners. Obviously my mistake the guys win by $10 in total sales.

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14. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
HOLY CARP! 10 dollars...are you freakin kiddin me?
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15. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Well so much for the spoilers being correct this week.

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16. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"

so much for the spoiler that the guys lose.

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--bet they're loving the Anna Kournikova bonus

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21. "Acutally..."
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Doesn't QVC track the number of units sold...in units the women sold what 3 times more than the men? Right?

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24. "RE: Acutally..."
I think it like 250 units to 650 units, but the grill was about 2-1/2 times more. It was obviosly close.

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27. "RE: Acutally..."
LAST EDITED ON 10-07-04 AT 09:43 PM (EST)

I thought the women sold over 800 units...they only sold 650? Then I stand corrected about the units but the fact still remains...they did sell more units!

ETA: The spoiler wasn't incorrect...because I just went and looked at the story Webby wrote and he just said the women sold more.

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32. "RE: Acutally..."
you're right--my brain is utterly fried tonight.
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34. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
>so much for the spoiler that the guys lose.

Argh, apparently this comes down to an assumption that the team that sold more units was the winning team. The exact text we reported at the time was:

The women's team, tasked with selling a cleaning set, sold more than the men's group, which was tasked with selling a panini maker. Producers took the unusual step of removing all the guests names from the production records, but the video tape lives on....

...the women did sell far more units than the men -- the problem is that it turned out the winner wasn't based on units sold but instead based on revenue (which is bogus btw -- what is this, dotcom retail lessons -- it's not about the REVENUE, it's all about the PROFIT!)

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39. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
yeah - I bet the women made a lot more profit. The cost per piece is probably next to nothing and there's no packaging to speak of either. The markup on the grill couldn't be as high.

Would love to see the margins on this task.

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47. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I think that the premise of providing insights into actual business principles at work has been sacrificed for the titalation provided by screamin/shoutin women.

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57. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
yup. And nipple rings, bow ties and boxers.



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52. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Absolutely profit should have been the motive, but in that case the products should have been similar so that costs pricing etc. made the difference in who won the task. Obviously the mark up on a cleaning product could be much higher than on an appliance.

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17. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
The guys got to meet John McEnroe and Ana Kornakova.
Raj took a dare to return one of 5 serves and he lost.

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19. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
He lost and had to run around the stadium in his underwear, while they swatted tennis balls at him.
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22. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Watching Anna lob tennis balls at Raj is definitely the most hilarious moment of the season!
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40. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
LAST EDITED ON 10-07-04 AT 10:36 PM (EST)

Panini maker: $71.25. It Works!: $27.23. Raj's "defeat" lap around the stadium: Priceless. I couldn't stop laughing.

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20. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
LAST EDITED ON 10-07-04 AT 09:39 PM (EST)

I am shocked!

The women lost

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30. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I am soooooo shocked... on the plus side, we got to see Raj in his underwear... again!! I can't believe he had the balls to ask out Anna Kournikova! He is truly Trump's mini me. I really think he is going to be the next apprentice. I also think the men would have sold more grills if they had been $69.99.

WOW! I am not trusting spoilers anymore. Mark Burnett is sooo evil.

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25. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
The boardroom is going to be interesting.

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26. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Things do not look to good for Pamela. She was in charge of pricing and the consensus was the price was too high.
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29. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
All together now folks....HUBRIS.

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28. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Pamela was also very authoritarian and will probably have to accept more responsibility than she would have otherwise.

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31. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Pamela is fired because she did not do a good job accessing peolple under her.

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48. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Why offer to be PM twice within five shows which greatly increases the risk of going to the boardroom? Bad move.

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50. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Pamela was assigned to be PM by Trump. Which makes me wonder if he set her up for failure because he wanted to have a chance to get rid of her while he could.

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53. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
She did get screwed on being nominated PM by Trump.

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33. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Those girls are wicked. They had one of their secret meetings and decided to take Pamela down.
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35. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I didn't like Pamela, but I still think Stacy should have been fired. After all, she's been to the board room several times now. Doesn't that say something about her???? Why do the PM's keep bringing her???


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37. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I didn't like Pamela, but I still think Stacy should have been fired. After all, she's been to the board room several times now. Doesn't that say something about her???? Why do the PM's keep bringing her???

Well technically, all of the women (except Pamela) have been to the boardroom four times now, but it's the amount of times the PM drags them back in to face the 'firing squad' that counts more. In that sense, Stacy's only been there twice (last week and tonight). From what I recall from last year, no one has survived three 'firing squad' visits, so if the women lose again and Stacy gets brought back, my money's on her to take the down elevator.

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54. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Maria has been to the firing squad before and she is marked also.

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44. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
They keep bringing Stacy R to the boardroom because she undermines the PM at every turn.
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36. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Another amazing boardroom! Pamela never even got to speak a complete sentence. She was constantly interrupted by Stacy R especially, and Maria, too. Amazing! Maria and Stacy once again took control of the boardroom, just took it away from Donald and his henchpeople, and they let them! Not once did anyone ask please to not interrupt, please wait, they will get they own turn to speak, etc. Donald & Co. just went right where the interrrupter wanted to take them. Who would have thought that rude, interrupting, and literal finger pointing could be so rewarding?...
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38. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Stacy and Maria are just hanging by a thread. Their time is almost through.

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42. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
can't wait - adieu - my money's on Jennifer M being the sole survivor of the Woman's team....


Question of the day - do none of these people use the computer in their loft to "research"??

Mr clean has a "magic wand" that sells for $3.99...
http://www.drugstore.com/search/search.asp?search=magic+eraser&searchtype=1&trx=28198&trxp1=22191&trxp2=9222&trxp3=25845&srchtree=1&aid=336064&aparam=xsp140883


how could anyone price this at close to $30??

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46. "prices"
that's $4 for 4 of them. The gals price was $27.23 for 30 of them. Not sure about size of each sponge tho.
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43. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
LAST EDITED ON 10-07-04 AT 11:29 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 10-07-04 AT 11:12 PM (EST)

Stacy R is so irritating and catty. She always gets in the way of the task at hand. She has a tendency to fight with the PM. She whines and complains about her task instead of getting it done. She wasted a lot of Pamís time. Instead of working with Pam, Stacy R chose to argue with her on minor details. For example, Stacy R wasted a lot of time with the labels on the bottles, and no time on pricing. Pam had to take over her job at the last minute.

This team did not lose because of Pamelaís leadership skills. Pam was brought into the team to teach Apex how to focus and put aside their petty differences. This team lost because Pamela had to micromanaged Stacy R and Maria.

I totally disagree with Trumpís decision to fire Pamela. Pamela brought the right people into the boardroom. She brought in the two most incompetent people for this task. Pamela had a short time to assess their skills and assigned tasks. She mostly had to rely on them to tell her the truth about their abilities. Maria and Stacy R assured Pamela they were more than qualify do the job assigned to them. Unfortunately, for Pamela this was not the case.


On the other hand, the menís team keeps winning because they are collaborative. Once a decision is made they all fall in line and carry out their assigned roles. They donít continue to argue or challenge the PM at every step.

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45. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I thought Trump was totally unfair to Pamela when he was berating her for not assessing her team's strengths. She had been with them for a matter of HOURS while the men's team was together for days? How was that even remotely "fair" (as if it had to be?)? He threw her into an almost unwinnable situation that she almost eeked out. That's the cruelty of this game, though. You never know when your number will be up. Pamela might have saved herself if she'd been able to contain Little Stacy and her own ego, but that obviously wasn't happening.

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--IMO, she should have been immune from firing in the interest of fairness.

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49. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Pamela would have been fired sooner or later due to her poor people skills and insensitivity (making fun of kids at Mattel, dog poop ice cream). I agree that Trump shouldn't have used the reasoning that she didn't properly assess her team's strengths, he should have said he fired her for the pricing or her autocratic leadership style. However, I couldn't have cared less which of the 3 went tonight because they'll all be fired soon anyway.

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51. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I totally agree. She was a social buffoon. And it's the Donald's call, so who's to say what the criteria will be from one week to the next.

Th extended boardroom will be interesting. I imagine that there will be even more that points to an obvious Pamela firing.

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56. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
Oh I agree. Pamela had not been working with the women. How was she to know who to assign to each task. She asked them and they told her their strengths. Then they didn't perform well and Trump blamed Pamela. The way he made her be PM again did seem like he wanted her to fail so he could boot her. Between Maria's blinking and Stacy's attitude. They didn't have a chance. Hopefully Stacy and Maria are the next 2 booted.
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55. "RE: Episode 5 Discussion---"
I think Stacy and Maria were kept on because they make good television.

On a related note -- for the first time tonight I noticed those glass teleprompter things on the board room table, like the kind they use for politicians to read speeches, right in front of carolin. Did anyone else catch that? Is some of their dialogue scripted? if so who is writing the script?

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