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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"	12-30-13, 08:10 PM (EST)
""Affordable Health Care""
Well, I called. Not happy! I haven't seen a doctor since I got back from Annapurna in the 80's. Paid cash money for that. Stupid typhus! I think I'll just pay the fine. Then croak. Dakota is correct..
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID

RE: "Affordable Health Care" Estee 12-31-13 1

   RE: "Affordable Health Care" foonermints 12-31-13 5

       RE: "Affordable Health Care" PepeLePew13 12-31-13 7

           RE: "Affordable Health Care" foonermints 12-31-13 8

       RE: "Affordable Health Care" kidflash212 12-31-13 9

           RE: "Affordable Health Care" foonermints 12-31-13 10

           Aha! foonermints 12-31-13 11

RE: "Affordable Health Care" kingfish 12-31-13 2

   RE: "Affordable Health Care" newsomewayne 12-31-13 3

       Since You foonermints 12-31-13 4

   Are You Gonna Dah? foonermints 12-31-13 6

       RE: Are You Gonna Dah? kingfish 12-31-13 12

           RE: Are You Gonna Dah? foonermints 12-31-13 13

               RE: Are You Gonna Dah? kingfish 12-31-13 14

                   RE: Are You Gonna Dah? foonermints 12-31-13 15

                       In Addition.. foonermints 12-31-13 16

But... jbug 12-31-13 17

   RE: But... foonermints 12-31-13 18

serious question jbug 01-02-14 19

   RE: serious question foonermints 01-02-14 20

       RE: serious question jbug 01-03-14 21

           RE: serious question jbug 01-03-14 22

               RE: serious question foonermints 01-03-14 23

               I'm Also Wondering foonermints 01-03-14 24

Cutting Back foonermints 02-09-14 25

   RE: Cutting Back HobbsofMI 02-10-14 26

       RE: Cutting Back foonermints 02-10-14 27

So It Goes.. foonermints 03-23-14 28

   RE: So It Goes.. kingfish 03-24-14 29

       RE: So It Goes.. foonermints 03-24-14 30

           RE: So It Goes.. PepeLePew13 03-24-14 33

               At Least foonermints 03-24-14 35

                   RE: At Least kingfish 03-24-14 36

                       That's Three foonermints 03-24-14 37

                           RE: That's Three kingfish 03-25-14 38

                               Ya, But I'm missing the Front Grill foonermints 03-25-14 39

   RE: So It Goes.. jbug 03-24-14 31

       RE: So It Goes.. kingfish 03-24-14 32

       RE: So It Goes.. foonermints 03-24-14 34

   Your problem is that you are stupid... newsomewayne 03-27-14 42

       RE: Your problem is that you are st... jbug 03-27-14 44

       RE: Your problem is that you are st... foonermints 03-27-14 46

RE: "Affordable Health Care" newsomewayne 03-25-14 40

   RE: "Affordable Health Care" foonermints 03-25-14 41

       RE: "Affordable Health Care" kingfish 03-27-14 43

RE: "Affordable Health Care" jbug 03-27-14 45

   RE: "Affordable Health Care" foonermints 03-27-14 47

Did NOT Sign Up foonermints 03-31-14 48

   RE: Did NOT Sign Up jbug 03-31-14 49

       Jail? foonermints 03-31-14 50

Don't Worry, Harry. newsomewayne 04-02-14 51

   RE: Don't Worry, Harry. foonermints 04-03-14 52

RE: "Affordable Health Care" foonermints 04-08-14 53

Sebelius Resignation jbug 04-11-14 54

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Estee 56377 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 08:50 AM (EST)

1. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

I find your lack of detail ~~disturbing~~ makes the story a little difficult to follow. What happened, exactly?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 12:20 PM (EST)

5. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

I haven't seen a doctor in over 30 years. Good genetics, eh?
That and I can stitch myself up if need be. Pain? That's why there's aspirin! ~~besides all those illegal drugs~~
Why should I shell out over $500 a month for something I don't want or need?
I'm sure Children's Hospital (our main charity) could use the money more productively.

The crazy Obamamachine grinds on!
backwards!

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PepeLePew13 25175 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 12:57 PM (EST)

7. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

Problem is that you don't need it until you actually do need it one day and wouldn't it be better to pay some money now instead of waiting for the day when a $25+K hospital stay strikes out of the blue?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 01:13 PM (EST)

8. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

LAST EDITED ON 12-31-13 AT 01:19 PM (EST)
I'm willing to wait another 10 years.
Besides, I had major medical insurance anyway for just that reason and it wasn't even half the $580/month they want. Why am I being forced to buy something from the government, just because they think that my insurance wasn't good enough?

Should I get out and press my Communist uniform scnell, or can I squeak through by just driving a Yugo?
etf: correct communist reference.

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kidflash212 4076 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 01:19 PM (EST)

9. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

"I'm sure Children's Hospital (our main charity) could use the money more productively"

Like keeping dead bodies on ventilators?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 01:31 PM (EST)

10. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

*Poke*
Yep, like that.
Better use as far as I'm concerned.
Let's see what Bob Says..

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 01:54 PM (EST)

11. "Aha!"

Found that link!
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24815773/jahi-mcmath-oakland-brain-dead-girl-could-be
Looks like that one is a legal mess.
As for us, we know exactly where our money goes, down to the names of the doctors, personnel and equipment. I tell you, those ladies in Sandee's circle can be frighteningly nit-picky! All to the good, of course.

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kingfish 17057 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 09:35 AM (EST)

2. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

Stupid Typhus! (Slaps Typhus across the face!)
That should show that ole typhus we mean business.
So, like, are you gonna die?

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newsomewayne 9229 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 10:11 AM (EST)

3. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

*glares at kingfish*
Dude, don't be insensitive.
*back to fooner*
Can I have your stuff?

U.S. Government: Doing everything you used to do yourself for you since 2008.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 12:09 PM (EST)

4. "Since You"

Were the first to ask, sure.

Go ahead and dance on my grave!
ps: I'm taking my waffle with me..

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 12:24 PM (EST)

6. "Are You Gonna Dah?"

Maybe from sock-filtered moonshine. Wait! Is that why I'm blind?

Hey! Where'd my newsomewaffle go?!

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kingfish 17057 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 02:26 PM (EST)

12. "RE: Are You Gonna Dah?"

You're going blind, and you want more.
There will be a $500 shipping and handling fee.

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 02:33 PM (EST)

13. "RE: Are You Gonna Dah?"

Moonshine is covered under the "Silver Plan".
I'm sending the KGB to confiscate your supply for the greater good.
Of foonermints!

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kingfish 17057 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 02:37 PM (EST)

14. "RE: Are You Gonna Dah?"

As long as God grants me dirty socks I can make more. This time I may use oven gunk.

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 03:24 PM (EST)

15. "RE: Are You Gonna Dah?"

There's rarely a shortage of Drano, too.
I think that's on the Gold Plan.
Of course when God stops granting you dirty socks, at least you get $255 from Social Security.
_{Well, maybe not you, personally..}

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 04:25 PM (EST)

16. "In Addition.."

Well, that was excellent after Christmas dinner!

How that gets brewed under water is truly an astonishing feat.
Now all we have left is this rotgut for tonight.

Last I'll ever see of fancy stuff due to "Healthcare". Got to start raising mushrooms under our Hacienda, brewing my own beer and start a "Peyote Cactus Farm" in the front yard. Jeebuz!

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 06:12 PM (EST)

17. "But..."

if you had a policy,
and you liked your policy,
you could keep your policy.
right?
I know too many people who had policies that worked for them that have been cancelled because the policy didn't meet obama's "standards".

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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12-31-13, 06:59 PM (EST)

18. "RE: But..."

Not like he needs to use his own heath care program for the rest of us schlubs.

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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01-02-14, 03:49 PM (EST)

19. "serious question"

I've been wondering just how much it has and is still costing us to implement the Affordable Care Act.
Whatever the administrator (whatever her name is) was paid is far too much for the mess that was made.
I can find no information anywhere that says anything about the implementation costs. NOT the cost of the health care that the government is kicking in for subsidies, etc.
There are a lot of people getting paid to develop, fix ( ) and maintain the website (LOL);
and there are a lot of people answering phones.
Not to mention the offices and equipment for all these people.
How many jobs were created for this?
Why didn't anyone I know of hear about these jobs?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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01-02-14, 04:01 PM (EST)

20. "RE: serious question"

LAST EDITED ON 01-02-14 AT 04:23 PM (EST)
As far as I recall, the startup money was given to a Canadian firm, that failed to help Canada's health care system.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/23/red-flags-company-behind-obamacare-site-has-checkered-past/
eta:I think this may matter also:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/michelle-obama-obamacare-website-cgi/2013/10/29/id/533586
May as well hire North Korea to do the job.
I hate the word "problematic". If I fail at what I do, it's not "problematic". Someone could very well die.

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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01-03-14, 01:02 PM (EST)

21. "RE: serious question"

from your first link:
While the company behind the dysfunctional HealthCare.gov was virtually unknown to the American public until this month, critics say the Obama administration should have known this multibillion-dollar firm had a checkered history with other government contracts.
....
The project was never put out to a full and open bidding process, but was limited to 16 candidates pre-qualified to do IT business for the government under what they call a "Indefinite Delivery and Indefinite Quantity" or ID/IQ, contracting vehicle. According to those same government documents, CGI was one of four that bid on the health exchange project.
....
CGI has already received $196 million to develop the new health care exchange, including the website, well over the initial $93 million contract, according to government documents.
How many people were either uninsured or underinsured?
How far would that $196 million go toward providing health care for them?

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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01-03-14, 01:04 PM (EST)

22. "RE: serious question"

and from your second link:

CGI Federal, which secured a $678 million no-bid contract to build the Obamacare exchange web portal.
How about $678 million to provide health care for those who needed it?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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01-03-14, 02:21 PM (EST)

23. "RE: serious question"

Not to mention the ongoing maintenance costs. Lots of room for "unplanned excess emergency budgeting" or some such paper-pusher nonsense.
Maybe I could get a truly non-productive job!
I bet I can think up official sounding terms like "brass monkey capitalization needs" or "The New York Recalcitrant Problem" and score a few more million off ~~suckers~~ the taxpayers.
jBug: Stop Making Sense.←Always listen to foonermints!

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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01-03-14, 06:57 PM (EST)

24. "I'm Also Wondering"

LAST EDITED ON 01-03-14 AT 07:42 PM (EST)
When "Executive Action" overrules The Bill of Rights.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/03/22163660-white-house-announces-two-new-executive-actions-on-guns?lite
Well, there is always this:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/amendments.htm
A permanent "Soup du Jour" for this presidency to call attention to itself "saving the USA"?
I'd prefer the Kardashians.

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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02-09-14, 07:48 PM (EST)

25. "Cutting Back"

Maybe just partial retirement early?
Let's see what Bob says..this is real.
Sure, I'll get "The Silver Plan" for $70/month instead of $578+.
I can live on $20K a year, trouble is, my morals won't let me do that.
I have no health insurance anymore, and I'm paying the fine, wtf that is.

Thank You, Dakota.

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02-10-14, 07:32 AM (EST)

26. "RE: Cutting Back"

Isn't the CBO saying that now that you can take your healthcare with you, like you can with your 401k. That means people will leave jobs they hate but have just for the healthcare to do something they love or start a business on their own because your healthcare is now portable like with a 401k's instead of having to stay for your pension?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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02-10-14, 11:08 AM (EST)

27. "RE: Cutting Back"

Trouble is, I like my job, or I never would have applied in the first place. Changing jobs over at Space X sounds interesting. I haven't made spacesuits yet!
But does this just mean you get to drag a $600 monthly millstone around your neck wherever you go?
Ah well, Medicare is coming up. I'll just ride in my zeppelin until then..

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-23-14, 09:18 PM (EST)

28. "So It Goes.."

Me? Going to pay the fine. What nonsense.
http://news.msn.com/in-depth/millions-on-the-sidelines-for-big-health-care-push

My fine: ..another glass of champagne for Michelle?

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kingfish 17057 desperate attention whore postings
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03-24-14, 09:05 AM (EST)

29. "RE: So It Goes.."

Yeah, there's going to have to be big changes in that law for it to really be universally affordable and effective.
Or complete repeal and start over.
And whatever the eventual answer is, it's also going to have to be accepted by both parties, not rammed down the minority party's throat by the majority. Obamacare was basically doomed from the start because of that and because it is fatally flawed by its funding model.

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-24-14, 11:14 AM (EST)

30. "RE: So It Goes.."

Not to mention the fatally flawed morons who put the website together. Secure medical information? Hah!
I'll bet ol' Ukraine boy could hack it in a second, and any Tom, Dick or Harry would think I have six toes and three remaining teeth.
Not a great job recommendation. Plus those lies about my liver! Outrageous!

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PepeLePew13 25175 desperate attention whore postings
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03-24-14, 04:01 PM (EST)

33. "RE: So It Goes.."

>and any Tom, Dick or Harry would think I have
>six toes and three remaining teeth.
You don't?
I'll have to have a talk with whoever it was that said all along that's what you had. Kingfish? JBug?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-24-14, 04:10 PM (EST)

35. "At Least"

You didn't probe into my liver. That's very personal.
Teeth and toes, they're exposed.

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kingfish 17057 desperate attention whore postings
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03-24-14, 06:27 PM (EST)

36. "RE: At Least"

I didn't say it and if I did I was misquoted out of context.
I might have said you had six teeth and three remaining toes, though.

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03-24-14, 06:39 PM (EST)

37. "That's Three"

LAST EDITED ON 03-24-14 AT 06:40 PM (EST)
On each foot! Damn Obamacare hackers! I'm sure the X-Rays are published on utube by now. You won't even have to guess which three!
AND to boot, my George Washington's are carved out of the finest Skunk Wood money can buy. Bad breath? Why no. Not at all.
Next I'll be having apoplexy. GAH! My sacroiliac!

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kingfish 17057 desperate attention whore postings
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03-25-14, 08:19 AM (EST)

38. "RE: That's Three"

You have a Cadillac? And you're complaining?

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-25-14, 08:52 AM (EST)

39. "Ya, But I'm missing the Front Grill"

I'm too sexy for my shirt!

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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03-24-14, 11:27 AM (EST)

31. "RE: So It Goes.."

Do I understand correctly that one can choose to not enroll now, pay the fine, and then IF something happens and you NEED insurance, you can just enroll WHEN you need it?
Makes perfect sense to me.

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03-24-14, 12:08 PM (EST)

32. "RE: So It Goes.."

I get lost in all the details, but as I understand it, unless you are exempt you have till March 30 to sign up, or you have to pay a fine next year when you file your income tax. And if you don't sign up by the 30th, you can't sign up until the next enrolment period which begins in November this year.
You don't need to sign up if you have qualified health insurance already, and it's really murky (to me) what constitutes “qualified". Or if you have Medicare/Medicaid. And there are undoubtedly more exemptions.
Employers with a certain minimum number of employees are required to provide “qualified” insurance or they get penalized. Which is one of the major problems with the law (again, as I understand it), because many employers that are near that minimum will lay off a few to be below it. People lose their jobs as well as their “unqualified” health insurance.
And it seems that there is no end to how many peopleare getting screwed by either losing primary physician, being denied services at some medical institutions (including some that provide the best care), having insurance but still being penalized because their plan (which might be supplied by their company) isn’t “qualified”.
Affordable and universal health insurance is a worthy goal, and it would have been nice if Obama et.al. was capable of crafting legislation that provided that instead of using it to instigate a partisan political war.

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03-24-14, 04:06 PM (EST)

34. "RE: So It Goes.."

See your

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03-27-14, 08:36 AM (EST)

42. "Your problem is that you are stupid."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/26/reid-on-need-for-obamacare-extension-people-not-educated-about-internet/
I'm sure they'll only need about 87 billion to provide this sorely needed education.

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03-27-14, 09:56 AM (EST)

44. "RE: Your problem is that you are stupid."

of course, blame it on the old people....

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03-27-14, 09:01 PM (EST)

46. "RE: Your problem is that you are stupid."

Well, moderately stupid.
At least I didn't vote for him.

I believe my vote was cancelled out by one "Frieda Schnotz" in Rhode Island.
My NSA spy satellite/hack/feed detects her specifically writing on a notepad by her Obama Chia Head: "Make sure today to cancel out foonermints vote. It's worth nothing! Ha HAH HAH!
To add more insult, I think my polling place in California was suspect. I heard a "whirring" sound after I deposited my ballot. As I walked outside, I noticed a new, empty box for a shredder by the trash can.

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03-25-14, 12:20 PM (EST)

40. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

Man in Canadian hospital with Ebola-like symptoms after travel to Africa
Recommendation for Determination of Possible Causes of Symptoms, followed by Plans to Apply for Treatment to be given no later than July.

U.S. Government: Doing everything you used to do yourself for you since 2008.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
Soon.

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-25-14, 04:46 PM (EST)

41. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

Maybe they can save half? Half is better than none, right?

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kingfish 17057 desperate attention whore postings
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03-27-14, 09:09 AM (EST)

43. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

Obamacare was a good idea for a while. Until it became reality.

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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03-27-14, 09:59 AM (EST)

45. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

Where are all the defenders of this
~~monstrosity~~
~~stoopidity~~
~~idisoy~~
whatever...
I don't see them here;
I don't see them on FB.

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-27-14, 09:12 PM (EST)

47. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

It's not defensible. Unless you got a cabinet appointment from Obama.

No practical experience necessary.

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-14, 01:59 PM (EST)

48. "Did NOT Sign Up"

Hell, signed up for Vietnam.
NOT signing up for this.

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-14, 04:59 PM (EST)

49. "RE: Did NOT Sign Up"

~~~sits back to watch fooner get arrested....
or maybe just fined ~~~~

Riding First Class with Fooner

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-14, 05:47 PM (EST)

50. "Jail?"

LAST EDITED ON 03-31-14 AT 05:49 PM (EST)
More than one time.
Money? Cr@p. My son still needs heating oil for his house.

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newsomewayne 9229 desperate attention whore postings
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04-02-14, 12:28 PM (EST)

51. "Don't Worry, Harry."

I'm sure these people are lying about Obamascare, too.
http://spectator.org/articles/58588/obamacare-takes-life

U.S. Government: Doing everything you used to do yourself for you since 2008.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson

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foonermints 12944 desperate attention whore postings
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04-03-14, 08:42 AM (EST)

52. "RE: Don't Worry, Harry."

So you can be dead economically or dead physically. Or both.
There is a democratic choice!

That's three options, after all.

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04-08-14, 10:34 PM (EST)

53. "RE: "Affordable Health Care""

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jbug 16887 desperate attention whore postings
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04-11-14, 12:24 PM (EST)

54. "Sebelius Resignation"

LAST EDITED ON 04-11-14 AT 12:25 PM (EST)
Wonder where she'll get her healthcare coverage?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/11/obama-sebelius-resignation_n_5133403.html?icid=maing-grid7

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