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cahaya 18904 desperate attention whore postings
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"Big Brother!"
All of us are hamsters.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Big Brother! dabo 06-06-13 1
   RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-06-13 2
       Big Data! cahaya 06-07-13 3
 RE: Big Brother! Estee 06-07-13 4
   RE: Big Brother! HobbsofMI 06-07-13 7
       RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-07-13 8
   Ding, ding! You called it! cahaya 06-09-13 20
 Let's really get their attention! Molaholic 06-07-13 5
   http://community.realitytvworld.com... jbug 06-07-13 11
 RE: Big Brother! kingfish 06-07-13 6
   RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-07-13 9
       RE: Big Brother! kingfish 06-07-13 10
           RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-07-13 12
               RE: Big Brother! kingfish 06-07-13 14
                   RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-07-13 16
                       RE: Big Brother! kingfish 06-07-13 17
                           RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-08-13 18
                               RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-08-13 19
 RE: Big Brother! suzzee 06-07-13 13
   RE: Big Brother! cahaya 06-07-13 15
 On the run! cahaya 06-10-13 21
   RE: On the run! kingfish 06-10-13 22
       RE: On the run! cahaya 06-10-13 23
 Boundless Informant cahaya 06-11-13 24
 Secret Court cahaya 06-14-13 25
 Google files suit cahaya 06-18-13 26
 The U.S. has filed charges for extr... cahaya 06-22-13 27
 On the run! cahaya 06-23-13 28
   RE: On the run! Estee 06-23-13 29
       RE: On the run! cahaya 06-23-13 30
 Legally in transit cahaya 06-25-13 31
   RE: Legally in transit dabo 06-25-13 32
 Europeans are furious cahaya 06-30-13 33
   Posturing IceCat 07-01-13 34
       RE: Posturing cahaya 07-05-13 36
       RE: Posturing Starshine 07-07-13 37
       RE: Posturing dabo 07-07-13 38
       The Germans... cahaya 08-03-13 52
           RE: The Germans... foonermints 08-03-13 53
               RE: The Germans... cahaya 08-03-13 55
                   As for the British... cahaya 08-03-13 57
                       RE: As for the British... foonermints 08-03-13 58
                           RE: As for the British... cahaya 08-03-13 59
 The Risk board cahaya 07-05-13 35
   Go With Venezuela! foonermints 07-07-13 39
       RE: Go With Venezuela! cahaya 07-07-13 40
           RE: Go With Venezuela! foonermints 07-07-13 41
 Hey, Bill! cahaya 07-11-13 42
   RE: Hey, Bill! Starshine 07-12-13 43
   Of course they did... IceCat 07-12-13 44
 Snowden reappears and goes public..... cahaya 07-12-13 45
   RE: Snowden reappears and goes publ... Estee 08-02-13 48
   RE: Snowden reappears and goes publ... kingfish 08-02-13 49
 One year asylum and more... cahaya 08-01-13 46
   And he will be moonbaby 08-02-13 47
 OMH! dabo 08-03-13 50
   Dang! foonermints 08-03-13 51
       RE: Dang! kingfish 08-03-13 54
           RE: Dang! foonermints 08-03-13 56
               RE: Dang! kingfish 08-04-13 60
                   RE: Dang! cahaya 08-04-13 61
                       RE: Dang! kingfish 08-04-13 62
                           RE: Dang! foonermints 08-04-13 63
                               RE: Dang! cahaya 08-04-13 64
                               RE: Dang! kingfish 08-04-13 65
                                   *Whacks.. foonermints 08-04-13 66
 Boop, Blap, Bap, Bloog kidflash212 08-06-13 67
   RE: Boop, Blap, Bap, Bloog foonermints 08-06-13 68
   Block Starshine 08-07-13 69
       RE: Block kidflash212 08-07-13 70

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dabo 25344 desperate attention whore postings
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06-06-13, 07:30 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Big Brother!"
Well, shame on them! I mean, honestly, there's no way for them to know which calls I made or received unless they listen in! And just think of all the gubment jobs that would create!


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2. "RE: Big Brother!"
Your post has been recorded.


*AutoHal in RECORD mode*

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06-07-13, 08:47 AM (EST)
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3. "Big Data!"
Geez, no sooner than I say "Big Brother", they say "Big Data"!

Everyone has your profile... the government, your bank, the credit rating agencies, the junk mailers, your actual or prospective employer, your friends, your enemies, all of them and more, knowing what you do, how much money you make, what you spend that money on, who you call, where you go, what you post, and everything else about you.

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06-07-13, 09:38 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Big Brother!"
So who's not posting on this because they're afraid doing so will get them labeled as an Enemy Of The State No Such Agency?
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7. "RE: Big Brother!"
Will Smith is that you? Do we have to blow it up because you made a phone call?


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06-07-13, 12:31 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Big Brother!"
This reminds me of the movie scene with James Coburn in The President's Analyst, making a call from a pay phone, tracked by The Phone Company and the ubiquitous intelligence agencies hunting him down. Classic!
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06-09-13, 09:13 AM (EST)
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20. "Ding, ding! You called it!"
NSA was founded in 1952. Only years later was the NSA publicly acknowledged, which explains its nickname, "No Such Agency."
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06-07-13, 10:06 AM (EST)
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5. "Let's really get their attention!"

Because the Tea Party and Liberty folks need it.


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There's one waiting for you....

LOL
Well, that didn't work!
Check your red wavy!

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06-07-13, 10:54 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Big Brother!"
I'm kinda divided about this.

First, the government already knows almost everybody's basic information. And they already have huge biometric data bases. That particular horse has already exited the barn.

Second, there is some value in monitoring communications for terroristic activity. If bombings and having airplanes fly into tall populated buildings are something we want to avert, then we need to employ the most effective means we have to do this, and communication surveillance is one of a number of tools that when used in combination with all others can actually help in this regard.

But it’s also troubling when it means that my personal communications are being monitored. Even if it’s just by a computer program set up to spot key words.

For the time being, I’ve made my peace with this, but it is fragile. I hope this data gathering and communications surveillance is useful and produces results, but if they ever step on my doorstep I will very likely and very quickly change my feelings on this.

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9. "RE: Big Brother!"
I'm kinda divided about this.

You might be, but they certainly aren't with the secret warrants.

And I'm not divided either, I'm totally out o' here. Nada nada.

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10. "RE: Big Brother!"
Secret Warrants?

Oh, OK, I see. I missed the boat.

Your cryptic initial post was a reaction to the White house warrants (subpoenas?) to look at the communications of API et. al. reporters. And I agree, that was outrageous, indefensible, and Holder should be fired if not shot. Once again the current administration shows no regard or respect for the fundamental rights afforded by the US Constitution. In that respect they do show a Big Brother like attitude.

But with that reference (to Big Brother), I mistakenly assumed that your target was the latest revelations of data mining (data collecting? Only they know the difference) and telecommunication (date, time, from, and who to) monitoring of US citizens and foreign nationals by the NSA.

The NSA is really the best equivalent we have to Big Brother in the monitoring of citizenry sense.


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12. "RE: Big Brother!"
Verizon is handing over so-called metadata, excerpts from millions of U.S. customer records, to the NSA under an order issued by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, according to a report in the British newspaper The Guardian. The report was confirmed Thursday by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Former NSA employee William Binney told The Associated Press that he estimates the agency collects records on 3 billion phone calls each day.

The NSA and FBI appear to be looking even wider under a clandestine program code-named "PRISM" that was revealed in stories posted late Thursday by The Washington Post and The Guardian.

PRISM gives the U.S. government access to email, documents, audio, video, photographs and other data belonging to foreigners on foreign soil who are under investigation, according to The Washington Post. The newspaper said it reviewed a confidential roster of companies and services participating in PRISM. The companies included AOL Inc., Apple Inc., Facebook Inc., Google Inc., Microsoft Corp., Yahoo Inc., Skype, YouTube and Paltalk.

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06-07-13, 04:01 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Big Brother!"
LAST EDITED ON 06-07-13 AT 04:04 PM (EST)

So, the secret warrants you object to are really the FISA warrants?

The current stories are being presented as one big mess, but I don't think we can evaluate these stories unless we take each one by itself.

Media warrants - IMO No.

FISA warrants - IMO Overall a necessary evil, but it might have been an overreach in the case of Verizon. The FISA Court hopefully provides adequate restraint.

PRISM - IMO, a useful tool, could be abused, but in some form it's almost indispensable these days.

I don't think PRISM uses warrants. It is focused on foreign intelligence. And (back to my above post) that's where I'm divided. I think we should be monitoring foreign related communications for suspicious activity, because we all (I am making an assumption here, I guess) want to prevent terrorist events if we can, and this in combination with other tools is really useful in that regard. But personally I do feel a little uneasy with this kind of entity.

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16. "RE: Big Brother!"
Oh, really?

Should we just leave the permission to snoop and scoop to secret courts?


Sherlocked by agman.

How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

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06-07-13, 07:19 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Big Brother!"
LAST EDITED ON 06-07-13 AT 07:26 PM (EST)

Yes. I guess we have too. Unless it is deemed a better course of action to give people bent on blowing us up the upper hand.

We have to have some sort of trade off between personal privacy and personal security. Just the way it is. In an utopian world we would be able to hold to ideals such as 100% perfect personal privacy at no cost to ourselves, but in the real world we live in, we are forced to cede a bit on that front.

Plus, both the FICA courts and PRISM have our elected representatives providing congressional oversight, but the secrecy aspects of the courts and the oversight is absolutely necessary. If you think about it for a while, you will see that there is no other way it could work.


BTW, I may be mistaken about PRISM not involving warrants. I think it is an ongoing national security program that's been operating for a while now with congressional oversight only. But I could be mistaken, maybe warrants are involved somehow.

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06-08-13, 08:01 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Big Brother!"
LAST EDITED ON 06-08-13 AT 08:02 AM (EST)

And now the Net is an issue between nations, cyber hacking, cyber security... Bama and Xi.


Piracy on the high seas and flying of the Jolly Roger by agman

Uncharted waters indeed!

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06-08-13, 10:25 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Big Brother!"
You raise a good question: What do we want?


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Privacy or security?

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06-07-13, 03:07 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Big Brother!"
Oh, THAT Big Brother. You know what gave me the creeps when I first heard the name? Homeland Security. It sounds too close to all the sci-fi stories I've read and the name alone conjured up wire-taps, monitoring, 1984 on and on. It sounds like something Orwell would have come up with.


Big Brother is watching you.
George Orwell


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06-07-13, 04:51 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Big Brother!"
Thanks sweetie! You brite up my world

Take that, Big Bro!

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06-10-13, 07:22 PM (EST)
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21. "On the run!"
LAST EDITED ON 06-10-13 AT 07:35 PM (EST)

Hiding out in Hong Kong, but just checked out from his hotel, Edward Snowden escapes the dragnet -- for now. He could very well end up in Iceland, where he can cool off his heels in a country that has never extradited anyone under political asylum.

"I'm ready to help", says an Icelandic legislator.

Will he make it or will the CIA nab him in flight?

"Yes, I could be rendered by the CIA. I could have people come after me. Or any of the third-party partners. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or they could pay off the Triads. Any of their agents or assets," he said.

"We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."

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06-10-13, 07:56 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: On the run!"
I'm thinking he'll get caught. He doesn't appear to be too bright. I mean, he could have gone to Iceland before he made his big announcement. I don’t know why he might have thought that China would shield him.

If the CIA/NSA/FBI have all those powers (which no doubt they have), tracing a clueless fugitive should be easy. He’d better get aboard the non-stop Iceland express without delay, because once he’s indicted, Hong Kong could very well prevent him from leaving and begin to act on an inevitable extradition request.

If he does make it to Iceland, he’ll be able to poke his finger into the Obama administration’s eye without worry. Hope he likes whale meat. I tried it once. Ptui.

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23. "RE: On the run!"
He just better hope the Triad doesn't find him first, or he'll find himself extradited in a coffin. Those guys don't mess around.
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24. "Boundless Informant"
That's the name of the NSA program. Boundless, indeed.

It's like a Risk map (seen elsewhere in this forum with the Survivors and Big Brothers battling it out):

And wherever you go on this map, don't charge it.

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25. "Secret Court"
NY Times report:

The court to the internet providers: Obey or pay.

In a secret court in Washington, Yahoo’s top lawyers made their case. The government had sought help in spying on certain foreign users, without a warrant, and Yahoo had refused, saying the broad requests were unconstitutional.

The judges disagreed. That left Yahoo two choices: Hand over the data or break the law.

So Yahoo became part of the National Security Agency’s secret Internet surveillance program, Prism, according to leaked N.S.A. documents, as did seven other Internet companies.

Like almost all the actions of the secret court, which operates under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the details of its disagreement with Yahoo were never made public beyond a heavily redacted court order, one of the few public documents ever to emerge from the court. The name of the company had not been revealed until now.


Sherlocked by agman.

Okay, I guess it's time for me and my family and friends to encrypt our yahoo mail with 128-bit PGP. Have fun cooling off your supercomputers with that, NSA.

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06-18-13, 06:36 PM (EST)
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26. "Google files suit"
Citing First Amendment.

Related story: Yahoo you!

Yahoo said Tuesday it received between 12,000 and 13,000 requests for user data from U.S. law enforcement agencies over the last six months.

Apple said Monday it had received as many as 5,000 requests covering up to 10,000 user accounts since December 2012. Facebook received between 9,000 and 10,000 requests in the last half of 2012, targeting between 18,000 and 19,000 accounts. Over the same period, Microsoft received between 6,000 and 7,000 criminal and security warrants, subpoenas and orders affecting as many as 32,000 customer accounts.

Advice for any terrorist: Go offline, toss the cellphone, snip the cards.

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06-22-13, 09:30 PM (EST)
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27. "The U.S. has filed charges for extradition"
Snowden's face is splashed on the Hong Kong papers.

... the US has charged Snowden with theft of government property, unauthorised communication of national defence information and wilful communication of classified communications intelligence to an unauthorised person. The latter two charges are part of the US Espionage Act.

Legislators in Hong Kong responded by calling for mainland China to intervene in the case. Snowden, 29, who is reportedly in hiding in Hong Kong, was last seen on 10 June. He is understood to have made contact with human rights lawyers in anticipation of a legal action from the US.

And there's still more to come.

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06-23-13, 09:44 AM (EST)
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28. "On the run!"
LAST EDITED ON 06-23-13 AT 09:47 AM (EST)

Snowden is reported to be on his way to Venezuela via Moscow and Cuba.

With the CIA on his trail where they really can't get to him and bag him.

(ETA) He just arrived in Moscow.

His flight from US authorities, which want to charge him with espionage, appeared set to continue with an onward flight west from Moscow to Havana on Monday. From there, various reports indicated that he would try to get to either Caracas, or Quito.

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06-23-13, 10:41 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: On the run!"
*plays Amazing Race theme*

Should this thread be in the Spoilers section?

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06-23-13, 06:33 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: On the run!"
LAST EDITED ON 06-23-13 AT 06:37 PM (EST)

Should this thread be in the Spoilers section?

Yup, now instead of Venezuela, it's Ecuador.

Arriving in Moscow, Snowden disappeared again, leaving the aircraft without being spotted, but being pursued by the Ecuadorian ambassador, Patricio Chávez, amid speculation that he will fly to Quito on Monday, possibly via Cuba.

Snowden has asked for political asylum in Ecuador, the country that has also given shelter to the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, at its embassy in London.

In a statement on Sunday night, WikiLeaks, which has been providing legal and logistical help to Snowden in recent days, said: "He is bound for the Republic of Ecuador via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisers from WikiLeaks."

Phil and other assorted characters will be looking for him there. Let's hope he can find the Clue Box because everyone else seems to be clueless.

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06-25-13, 08:53 PM (EST)
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31. "Legally in transit"
Why is it this story reminds of Steven Spielberg's The Terminal, except with it being in JFK Airport it's in Sheremetyevo International Airport?

I wonder if Wikileaks has the logistics and legal clout to fly him off on a private corporate jet.

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32. "RE: Legally in transit"
The Terminal was based on a true story from the autobiographic book The Terminal Man -- about a refugee who wound up living for awhile in Charles de Gaulle Airport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri

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33. "Europeans are furious"
LAST EDITED ON 06-30-13 AT 03:33 PM (EST)

Revelations that the US intelligence service National Security Agency (NSA) targeted the European Union and several European countries with its far-reaching spying activities have led to angry reactions from several senior EU and German politicians.

Attacks from America: NSA Spied on European Union Offices.

Information obtained by SPIEGEL shows that America's National Security Agency (NSA) not only conducted online surveillance of European citizens, but also appears to have specifically targeted buildings housing European Union institutions. The information appears in secret documents obtained by whistleblower Edward Snowden that SPIEGEL has in part seen. A "top secret" 2010 document describes how the secret service attacked the EU's diplomatic representation in Washington.

The document suggests that in addition to installing bugs in the building in downtown Washington, DC, the European Union representation's computer network was also infiltrated. In this way, the Americans were able to access discussions in EU rooms as well as emails and internal documents on computers.

The attacks on EU institutions show yet another level in the broad scope of the NSA's spying activities.


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It has also been revealed that the British intelligence service GCHQ operates a similar program under the name Tempora with which global telephone and Internet connections are monitored.

Well, my dear Watson, I think we're being watched.

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34. "Posturing"
All countries spy on all other countries. It's no worse than industrial espionage.

I'm shocked that people are surprised by this as I was under the impression that these kinds of activities were common knowledge.

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36. "RE: Posturing"
I'm shocked that people are surprised by this as I was under the impression that these kinds of activities were common knowledge.

If it were common knowledge, it wouldn't be news.

Look again, is there a bug in your room? Are your phone call records being logged? Maybe your e-mails and online posts too?

You betcha!


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37. "RE: Posturing"
But it is common knowledge, it's getting caught that's the sin.

The NSA isn't allowed to spy on American citizens without paperwork, but GCHQ are probably happy to share any info required.

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38. "RE: Posturing"
It is really only an issue of how they use the information they gather. If the NSA is only using the information for threat assessment purposes, not sharing the information to intrude on or undermine diplomacy and so on -- attending to their mission and their mission only -- who cares. Certainly the people being spied upon have their secrets and concerns. We had a meeting, threw out 16 crackpot ideas, does the press really need to drag us through the muck exposing those 16 crackpot ideas that got pitched?
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52. "The Germans..."
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-13 AT 03:41 PM (EST)

Germany has canceled a decades-old agreement on information-sharing with Britain and the United States, in the wake of controversy sparked by American leaker Edward Snowden's disclosures about mass surveillance programs.

Germany's Foreign Ministry announced the move Friday, saying it was effective immediately.


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The row blew up after German news magazine Der Spiegel reported that classified leaks by Snowden detailed NSA bugging of European Union offices in Washington and New York, as well as an "electronic eavesdropping operation" that tapped into an EU building in Brussels.

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53. "RE: The Germans..."
Lets' see what Bob Says:
http://drinkingwithbob.com/?p=822

Then again, I'm for non-violent change. Parents didn't like Nazi's too much, either.

"Homeland Security" now has more stockpiled ammunition than the Army.

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55. "RE: The Germans..."
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-13 AT 05:38 PM (EST)

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57. "As for the British..."
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-13 AT 05:35 PM (EST)

Just buy them out.

A hundred million pounds worth!

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58. "RE: As for the British..."
On the backs of us slaves. Wait a minute! you are a fellow slave, aren't you?

*avoids Hellfire missile*


With Obama printing a trillion dollars, I may as well work with the currency of Zimbabwe.

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59. "RE: As for the British..."
Your tax dollars at work, yes sir!


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Hellfire, kaboom!

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35. "The Risk board"
Venezuela and possibly Nicaragua offer to take him in, but Iceland is still chilled out.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has offered asylum to U.S. intelligence leaker Edward Snowden, the state-run AVN news agency reported Friday, without offering details.

"It's clear that that if the circumstances permit it we will gladly receive Snowden and will grant him asylum here in Nicaragua," Ortega said.

Meanwhile, an Icelandic lawmaker said Snowden would not get citizenship there, as he had requested, because Iceland's parliament refused to vote on an asylum proposal before ending its current session.

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39. "Go With Venezuela!"
Cheese sticks with avocado salsa!
Not like Ecuador, unless you like toasted guinea pig. Me? Not so much. Like kingfish's whale meat, but smaller.
Plus, you can have Cocada Venezolana, a frozen coconut smoothie. With rum, of course. Rum makes everything better.


"Without the United States," he said, "we are better politically and democratically."
Well, the man may have a point.

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40. "RE: Go With Venezuela!"
LAST EDITED ON 07-07-13 AT 04:27 PM (EST)

South America, two armies per turn, go for it!


Caged by Snidget

Unfortunately, our dear hamsters met their demise versus the Survivors there.

Snowden Risk map.

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41. "RE: Go With Venezuela!"
Austria isn't so bad, but kind of dinky. Poor bastaad would probably get Island Fever, like Hawaii.

What about Argentina? With a little Deutchländer in him, he ought to be able to get a complete new ID. Maybe even a clone or two made to confuse the US hit squad.

Kinda like Baal on Stargate.


~The Army of foonermints!


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42. "Hey, Bill!"
Encryption!

Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption, according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian.

Really! RSA 128-bit with fully random prime number factors should do the job, but maybe we should upgrade to 256-bit which would take supercomputers ages (maybe longer than the age of this universe) to crack it.

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43. "RE: Hey, Bill!"
I wouldn't be surprised if GCHQ et al already had some form of Quantum computers that render encryption less secure than we hope. After all public-key encryption was developed by the security services years before an academic team cracked it.
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44. "Of course they did..."
There's no way that any government of the United States was ever/is going to/will ever allow fully encrypted data comms to occur without the ability to intercept.

The internet is not secure nor will it ever be secure. It is absolutely naïve to think that it will ever be any different.

Truth be told, you have far more to worry about how the private sector is mining the data that is created by every phone call, text, tweet, online purchase that you make. This info is the a commodity that is traded from company to company with virtually no controls on the process.

And we all agree to it every time we sign a user licensing agreement or a credit card contract. The selling (and buying) of our cyber souls began long ago.

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45. "Snowden reappears and goes public..."
From USA Today...

The meeting included Vyacheslav Nikonov, chairman of the Russian state Duma, Sergei Nikitin, head of Amnesty International Russia, Vladimir Lukin, Russia's presidential human rights ombudsman, attorney Genri Reznik, and Tanya Lokshina, of Human Rights Watch.

And the Guardian.

Snowden stood by his decision to leak a trove of secret NSA documents. He said: "I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

"That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets."

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48. "RE: Snowden reappears and goes public..."
Vladimir Lukin, Russia's presidential human rights ombudsman

Best oxymoron I've seen all summer.

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49. "RE: Snowden reappears and goes public..."
Snowden stood by his decision to leak a trove of secret NSA documents. He said: "I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

"That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets."

Well, it's reassuring that he tells us this about himself. Just as it's reassuring that Aaryn of BB15 tells us that she's not a racist, and that she was making Candice's bed when she accidently flipped it over. Just as it's reassuring that Kim Jung Un tells us that his people are living harmonious and self-fulfilling lives free from government oppression.

It's just so nice that people will go out of their way to tell us that all is well, and that they are heroes not lawbreakers, humanists not racists, the People's god not a fascist dictator.

So nice.

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46. "One year asylum and more..."
LAST EDITED ON 08-01-13 AT 07:22 PM (EST)

Snowden gets one year asylum in Russia.

Meanwhile, more leaks come out, specifically about NSA's XKeyscore program.


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Uncle Sam is watching you, every keystroke, every site!

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47. "And he will be"
watched closely and carefully the entire time he is there or anywhere, no doubt.
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50. "OMH!"
http://news.msn.com/us/why-postal-service-photographs-all-of-our-mail

At least we live in a digital age, all that film and processing costs in pre-digital would have been a budget buster. Still though, all those duplicate images of mass mailing junk!

now watch someone figure out how to deliver a computer virus via image scan

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51. "Dang!"
So they'll take photos of the box from Pike Street Market containing the Coho Salmon I was planning on sending to Kingfish, and this could lead the FBI to my door as a "death threat".


Note to self: Think out Secret Santa plans more thoughtfully!

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54. "RE: Dang!"
Smoked Coho. Yum.
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56. "RE: Dang!"
Cannibal!
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60. "RE: Dang!"
Salmon are munchies. Sweet, smoked, munchies.
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61. "RE: Dang!"
Currently, Mr Snowden may be sampling some caviar (which, after all, are fish eggs).

Along with some vodka.

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62. "RE: Dang!"
I hope he can adjust to life in under an intolerant government such as in Russia, where if he commits the high crime of singing an anti-Putin song, let alone stealing state secrets and committing sabotage and treason, he can be disappeared.

They don't distinguish between treason and whistleblowing, if you break the law there, it's just breaking the law.

Hope enjoys the vodka and caviar, I hear it's very good.

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63. "RE: Dang!"
LAST EDITED ON 08-04-13 AT 01:14 PM (EST)

With enough Vodka, you'd never know if it was bad.
eta:Instead of cannibalism, maybe you'd like the elk medallions?

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64. "RE: Dang!"
Well, there's wild salmon, smoked salmon and canned salmon and even halibut and shellfish.


Sherlocked by agman.

You just smoked the Kingfish, and what else?

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65. "RE: Dang!"
Einstein says...

Vodka + Kingfish (+ more Vodka) = Smoked Kingfish.

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66. "*Whacks.."
Kingfish with potato*

Wakee Wakee!

(font si0zze=1 colo=prumple) Just where the [blank) is "wine boy" when you need him?

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67. "Boop, Blap, Bap, Bloog"
Whatever it is we are supposed to post when a thread reaches our birth year.
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68. "RE: Boop, Blap, Bap, BloogBOINK!"
BoinK is the current thing.
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69. "Block"
<Thinks> Kid looks good for someone aged over 1900 years
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70. "RE: Block"
I work out
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