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"Kim's Comments"
Lanna42 263 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 11:00 AM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I am not overly fond of either Kim or Kelly.And I think that each of them contributed to whatever problems they had between them.There was no completely innocent party.It would have been classier for Kim to have kept her thoughts to herself and let Kelly have her moment.But I can also see where Kim is coming from by what she said.Kelly had a demeanor of hostility towards Kim from the beginning that was exaggerated and undeserved.To tout her as a "changed woman" was going to far.Kim saw the hypocracy in that and pointed it out.Kelly herself admitted she is only interested in changing her own little corner of the world NOT in becoming a better person overall.Mission accomplished.She has a sweet husband and sons.Hopefully they will benefit by her stay there. I don't think Kelly's "The rest of the world can go to hell."personality adjustment has changed at all.Kim was on target pointing that out.Unfortunately doing it at Kelly's graduation made her seem petty and self-centered.Which is not really a fair accessment of Kim.
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Juliejo 477 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 12:08 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I wish Kim had not said to Kelly what she did at her graduation. It would have been better had Kim waited to tell her those things in private. Kelly has treated Kim terribly the entire time she has been in the SO house and I feel Kim was correct in what she said to her but it was not the correct time to say it. Kelly said over and over again that she was there to fix herself and no one else and I think her actions speak louder than words.
She said she was jealous of her friend Janet when she got promoted and that just shows me what a jealous and hateful person she is. I believe she was jealous of Kim as well as Jodi and anyone else that dared to disagree with her. I think SO knew they had gone done all they could do with Kelly so they let her graduate just like they did Lisa1. So bye bye Kelly and I wish you and your poor husband and sweet children all the luck in the world because you are all going to need it. SO house will be better off without you in it.
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beckettrep 814 desperate attention whore postings
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04-22-06, 07:05 PM (EST)
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92. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I think Kim screwed up with the way she worded and put things but I do believe the point she was trying to make was that through it all Kelly 'grew' and should acknowledge her own acomplishments. (Not that I agree that VileKelly has progressed at all). I don't agree with the WAY Kim put it but I do think her intentions were good - just a bit askew in her thought process.
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eire_heart74 1231 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 12:05 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-20-06 AT 12:48 PM (EST)Yeah I think she was really on a roll because I don't know how she didn't see all their faces and stop and think about what she was saying! It was down right mean and a very cheap shot to get the last word in in a fight that should of been over long ago! I think Kelly was at that point of knowing she was leaving had the grace enough to just let it go. Besides saying nothing was the classier way to approach that. Kim made herself look like a fool. There is a time to let stuff go. Even if you don't like the person and you know you will never have to see them again, anyone can fake a smile and say It was good knowing you. It taught me alot. Done! End of sentence and move on!!! Kim is jelous that she left before she did. She replaced Jessica so think about how long she has been there. Lisa2 has come and gone. Now Kelly of the second round of gals. I've always felt bad for Kim but now I am begining to think that some of that terrible behavior that both of her parents have shown is coming out in her!
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Bmw4mom 140 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 12:18 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I agree that what Kim did was partly because of jealousy. Kelly leaving the house before Kim. But like I said from the beginning "Kim just won't get it" I have never liked Kim and she seems to be in the middle of most "Issues" that go on in the house. I am not saying that the other women are innocent, but Kim seems to take the lead with confrontations.
Kelly got her point across and who cares if Kim understood it. The others did. Kim is so clueless. I can't believe that anyone would expect anything less than what she did. With Kim it is always about her. Good luck to Ronda to make Kim move out from Kim's World and enter the world where everyone else resides. JMO
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04-20-06, 12:22 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I think Kim has every right to say something about the asinine way Kelly treated her. Kelly hasn't had any compassion for anyone. I don't believe Kelly deserves ANY reward for leaving that house.
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04-20-06, 06:19 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Kim likes being the victim. Rhonda or Dr. Stan have never (that I've seen) called her on this. She likes the control it gives her. Nothing will ever be good enough for her until she decides to bag the victim mentality. Yeah, her childhood sucked. It's time to decide to get over it and not let it define who she is and start living her life, or it's time to become a lonely bitter old woman. I would like to see Kim challenged to accept responsibility for her choices and to deal with the consequences. She blames everyone else for her problems. Jodi, lend Kim your mirror so she can see who is to blame.
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Baxtera 923 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 02:32 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
It did give Kelly a chance to look like a mature women. It definitly demonstrated Kim's lack of ability to own her issues. She was clearly jealous that Kelly was graduating first and instead of owning it she set out to be a brat at Kelly's graduation. Many have remarked there's not much more to be done for Kelly I would say the same is true about Kim. I just don't think she has much more growth left in her.
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04-20-06, 03:30 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I wouldn't be surprised. But, Kim has played the victim too long for her to have been scripted. Remember she is the one who goes to bars and all the men tell her how beautiful she is eventhough she is married. 
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GoodnightLittleBear 461 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 03:43 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I doubt the producers tell them what to say word for word but I wouldn't put it past them to instruct her to bring up the conflict because they knew it would turn into a "all about Kim" speech.
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shawnar 366 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 03:47 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Oh god!!! I was laughing my butt off watching the horror on the LC's faces!!!! I actually thought she was right on, but she should of let it go.
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Cinnamongirl30 75 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 03:48 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
What the hell was that ramble of Kim's all about anyway??? It didn't even really make sense. Kim came across as being sooo jealous of the attention being exhibited towards Kelly. Come on, it was her graduation. Kim seems more and more shallow as the weeks pass and it seemed to me that she was jealous cause it was all about Kelly and the fact that Kelly has really well adjusted kids and a husband that obviously thinks the world of her and... that Kelly actually looked great (I didn't believe it was possible). Oh my how the green-eyed monster rears its ugly head. Kim you acted ridiculously immature.
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kalalala 75 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 04:10 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Boy, Kim sure showed her true colors today, didn't she? I can't imagine being married or related to her. She'd stand there looking all pretty and smug about herself, claiming she was standing in her own grace, and just not have a clue about anyone else's feelings, or how inappropriate her own behavior is. Because it's all about Kim, always has been, always will be.I have no doubt that many of the stories she tells about her childhood are figments of her own imagination, that the worse the stories she tells are, the more attention she can draw onto herself. She had many other people involved in her childhood, including an aunt who cared for her and a grandmother who she is now saying was so wonderful to her. And a father that she is still close to, who was the first person on her list of people to be called after the birth of her son. Something certainly must have happened in her childhood to make her so self centered and unable to properly interact with other people, but it probably wasn't the story she now tells. Whatever, as Rhonda said, she's due to graduate soon, and good luck to her. At least Kelly seems to have learned some good lessons during her stint at the SO house. Kim? Not so much.
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Cleverone 759 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 09:38 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Because it's all about Kim, always has been, always will be.Boy, Kim sure showed her true colors today, didn't she?
I've constantly express an observation of Kim's personality in essence of exactly what you said...and today, it proved to be true.....Kim will N-E-V-E-R "get it" because she doesn't care about anybody but, Kim....her true form spoke loudly today.
It was ghastly how she kept going on and on and everyone was just shocked at her behavior...she was sooo wrapped up in her revenge plot that she never saw their expressions...."it was baaddd" ...it made Kim look like the fool she is...(IMO) Kim isn't mentally balanced....there's something wrong in her brain chemistry. ...as Kalalala said ..."it's all about Kim, always has been, always will be....poor woman...I feel sorry for her".  ****************************
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loretta54 45 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 03:51 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
kim just one of those people that holds grudges. she won't let one hurt or imgine hurt go she will make you pay for it over and over again. that's a character flaw and one that can't be address in the SOH.
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04-20-06, 04:31 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
2KOOL wrote:"Yet Kelly is the one that came into the house not wanting the support and relationships and Kim came in wanting the support and relationships. Kelly explodes and wants to be up everybody with her words and Kim is sociable just wanting to have words with somebody, but they just don't understand Kim. Kelly has issues with her family that scare them away, Kim has issues with her family that makes them want to try to get closer to Kim. Yet Kim still gets the bad wrap for everything that goes wrong. Kelly on the other hand gets to graduate first and act like she really cares. "I agree, soooooooo true. As we all know throught Kelly's sister, she still left the house a sefish self centered bitter angy woman. She didn't walk out a calmer, nicer woman at all....she came back angry at her whole family...what is that....who is the one holding all the grudges...Kelly! Kelly held a grudge in the house...Kelly is the one that wanted to hang onto all her anger toward Kim, when Kim wanted to get complete. I'm sorry, but Kelly didn't deserve to graduate with honors. She never got called out on her nasty behavier, she did to a certain extent, but wasn't held accountable like Kim was.
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GoodnightLittleBear 461 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 04:40 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I don't think that SO can cure anyone of a lifetime of habit or personality problems in just a few weeks. I would have to be naive to think that a tv show can work that kind of magic. Secondly, the women are in there for specific issues. Kelly's being intimacy issues with her children. That is what she wanted to come and work on, not getting along with every bonehead HG and acting like "sisters". While yes she was rude and obnoxious, so was almost every other HG at one time or another. Jessica's cattiness and gossiping, Christina, Lisa1's b*tchiness etc. Kelly was just more upfront about it. At least she was not hugging and latching onto other HGs like lovers and then making catty comments about them later like Jessica and others. That irritates me more than someone just being a flatout biotch.
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GoodnightLittleBear 461 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 04:58 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I cna't remember what she said exactly but it went sort of like this:"Kelly, yada yada yada, you were the one who was wrong, yada yada yada, I was the innocent one, yada yada yada, you were mean to me, yada yada yada, but I think you have grown and I love you, yada yada yada....oh sorry, I didn't mean to steal your moment and sorry the knife just slipped out of my hands and into your back but ereally, it was YOUR fault"
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Cleverone 759 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 09:46 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
>I cna't remember what she said
>exactly but it went sort
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>"Kelly, yada yada yada, you were
>the one who was wrong,
>yada yada yada, I was
>the innocent one, yada yada
>yada, you were mean to
>me, yada yada yada, but
>I think you have grown
>and I love you, yada
>yada yada....oh sorry, I didn't
>mean to steal your moment
>and sorry the knife just
>slipped out of my hands
>and into your back but
>ereally, it was YOUR fault"
>ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Toooo funy, but soooo true!!!!
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Baxtera 923 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 05:08 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I really think seeing Kelly with her husband and her sons sent her over the edge. Kelly may not go home and live happily ever after but that did look like a family that regardless of Kelly's faults and failings does love her. I think Kim was really thinking Kelly was going to get punished by her family and is disappointed it didn't happen. Kelly was disappointed by her visits, at least from what we saw, with her husband and sons, but Kim really feels her family disappoints her all the time and it's their fault.
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SeasonedRefinement 1248 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 05:49 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 04-20-06 AT 05:51 PM (EST)Here you go, Whistlin' Dixie, a verbatim transcript: KIM: "Kelly, Belly! I'm gonna miss you. You look beautiful! I want you to look at me and think of all the Kelly & Kim incidences, and look at the face of people out there and realize their innocence...cause I really was innocent. I remember that particular group we learned what standing in our grace was - hey look, I did that with you! I made a comment and it was inappropriate and I apologized for it, but I didn't, you know, beat myself up about it, and I went on about my day, and I think you had a hard time with that at first because you were like, "wait a minute, couldn't she, didn't she know how much that hurt me?" But that was just another example of how I was really not inTENDing (emphasis Kim's) to do anything." PAUSE: Christie in confessional droning on about how she's not surprised that Kim has - once again - made this night about her. She wishes Kim would end this so that she doesn't dig a deeper hole (my input: Oh, I don't think Christie really wants Kim to stop...the deeper the hole Kim digs, the more "concern" Christie gets to whisper about later, lol) BACK TO KIM: "...and that's when I knew that you had really changed a corner because you, because you did use the tone with me. I stood in my grace - I just thought - hey - I don't know what that's about." PAUSE: Kelly in confessional, looking pretty and kind of smiling a tolerant, pitying smirk, saying something about Kim making this about Kim standing in her grace. BACK TO KIM: "I have changed in many ways, but as far as our interactions, really, I think you did most of the changing. So, thank you for just being you." (My input: Ouch.....Check and Check Mate)
PAUSE: Rhonda laments the fact that she has to confront Kim on her speech. She asks the over-used, now-tired, threatless question: "Will Kim EVER graduate?"
Yawn.................
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shawnar 366 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 06:29 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Was she drunk? or going throu withdrawls? she was rambling on and on. None of it makes much sense.
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SeasonedRefinement 1248 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 08:32 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I wonder if Kim got that speech out of one of those handy little books, "What to Say on Every Occasion".Her speech was disjointed, so I believe that the most inflammatory remarks were shown, and the more conventional stuff was discarded. But the fact remains, Kim DID say those things. Kim...what was she thinking? Was this her way of settling the score on the "you have a drinking problem" proclamation? Maybe it had to do with the Great Bathroom War of '05. Was it due to Kim's bitterness over Kelly's statement that "I'm not comfortable talking to you unless there is another person in the room"? Was this her way of showing Kelly that if you live by the sword, you die by the sword? Or was Kim simply stating what she believes is the generally accepted version of the Kim/Kelly saga? Maybe she was following Iyanla's lead that was established at nuLisa's graduation: reiterate every negative moment of self-doubt the woman has had at SO. (Kim, only LC's can do that!) Is Kim really that sophisticated, or does she just open her mouth and insert her foot? Whatever prompted Kim to say what she said, I can't defend behavior that I think is tacky just because Kelly's "transformation" was selective, and her behavior while in the house was alienating and rude. Yes, Kelly evokes the softness and appeal of broken glass, so I can't fault Kim for disliking her. But if Kim wanted to avoid engaging in the charade of the fake "I love you" speeches, she could have done it without indicting herself in the process. It would have been a far better thing for Kim to offer Kelly her best wishes for the future and leave it at that. Short and polite would have made the point that there was no deep bond between these two women. But, Kim made a choice, and IMO, it was a bad choice. She needlessly embarrassed Kelly's family and Dr. Stan (I couldn't care less about the HG's - I think they LOVED it). It isn't what Kim said that bothered me...it's the fact that she was careless (at best) or vindictive (at worst) behind a podium on Kelly's big night. To stop Kim from proceeding with the remainder of her speech would have compounded everyone's discomfort - so there was no remedy except waiting for Kim to finish. There are some places that have to remain off-limits. It's a little like a funeral. We've all heard people lament the fact that eulogies tend to elevate the deceased to sainthood status. But if someone actually got up at a funeral and said, "c'mon...we all know that he was a drunk who abused his wife and kicked the dog", it would be nightmarish. It's just not the right thing to do - if for no other reason than it hurts innocent and uninvolved people who are there for positive reasons. Most of us like our special ceremonies and dress-up events - they should remain sacred, not common. The sad thing is, Kim could easily say that she was following the teachings of her LC's, Iyanla and Rhonda. She could claim that her time at SO has taught her to stop living in half-truths and fairy tales. She could say, "Well, Kelly's reaction doesn't really have anything to do with me - that's HER reality and HER reality is not my business. Actually, none of your realities' are my business. I'm just standing in my truth. No more games. If anyone is upset, they need to find out why my words triggered negative feelings". I can't count the amount of times I've seen the LC's and HG's gang up on one woman as she is in tears or near tears, all the while using that "reality" speech as their permission slip to slice away. Does anyone really want to remove all the social buffers that routinely protect our feelings? All of that independence and self-awareness has to be tempered with grace and respect for other people. Otherwise, we'd be cringing everytime someone approached a microphone to speak about another person.
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04-21-06, 10:05 AM (EST)
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66. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
SR, I always look forward to reading your input, and you never disappoint.I have a question/thought: why would the producers want to show Kim's negative comments on national TV? Maybe they're the ones that have been behind the "conflamma" between the two, and this is just their way of continuing the cliff-hanging drama (I join you in that yawn)? In that case, maybe there was some major prodding and manipulation for Kim to cut loose and say just what was on her mind. Actually, I secretly applaud her for her honesty in calling Kelly a spade (certainly got the expression for one...), but I agree that perhaps this is something that she could have got off her chest with a one-on-one with Kelly, in some privacy. I think that after all these weeks, Kim has figured out the rules of the game and is now playing them in order to curry the LC's favour and graduate with "honours". I have identified more with her than with any other HG this season, so I have had a soft spot for her. This speech of hers certainly lacked her usual classiness. That's why I'm wondering how much behind-the-scenes stuff went on that we're not privvy to. P.S. I haven't read Snowflake's input yet. Snowy, you out there...?!
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04-21-06, 07:39 PM (EST)
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81. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
kawyar,Oh, you're sweet to say such a nice thing. Thank you. Snowflake is here (I love her posts too). I think she's #56 or #57. You know, I am waiting for the day when SO is just a memory, and that gag rule no longer constrains the show's staff from filling in the considerable blanks. One day we'll find some of the staff on the "E" entertainment network, and they'll be putting a lot of speculation to rest. I wonder if our opinions, mine included, won't be completely changed when we realize just how manipulated these storylines are. I don't think it's a coincidence that Kim and Kelly are being released from the show within hours of each other. They were oil and water, fire and gasoline - they didn't mix, and they could be explosive. Hey, it was good TV (as long as we didn't remember that these were real people with real families). But without each other, are they as interesting? Hasn't every ounce of drama been exhausted from these two women? As far as Kim's speech was concerned, the "confrontation" Rhonda promised was exactly what I thought it would be. Yesterday she's asking the camera if Kim will ever graduate in light of the speech she gave, and the big confrontation today ends with her telling Kim she's graduating. Strange, but typical. *******************************************
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Cleverone 759 desperate attention whore postings
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04-20-06, 09:51 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
(My input: Ouch.....Check and Check Mate)
That was on point...well done!
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04-20-06, 07:56 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Kim is a real piece of work. Once again she's incessantly rambling on and on about herself and stealing Kelly's thunder. She was out of line and inappropriate. Then she continued to ramble on and on about it on the deck while she was taking a drag off her cig. Talk about beating a dead horse. Let it go already Kim and oh yeah, shut your friggin mouth for once. Rhonda needs to give her wet fur and I can't wait to witness it.
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04-20-06, 08:13 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
It was weird, wasn't it? All I could think was, "Okay, now's the time to stop. Okay... enough already. This is getting uncomfortable. Shut up Kim!!!!" It was out of line and just strange. The look on Rhonda's face though, that was priceless.
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44. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
It kinda reminded me of the gossip sessions the other women were having when the original problem flared up. Kim wasn't in on those. She's processing it now and trying to piece it together with the idea that Kelley is graduating. Heck, we have messages on this board trying to sort out why they decided to let Kelly graduate.I'm not stunned or appalled that Kim wants to think or talk about Kelly and how she feels about her. I can see why the graduation brought it up for her. It's not like years have passed. As I said above, the speech was entirely out of place and a series of mis-thoughts but I can see why she's mulling over Kelly's history with her. At the end we have houseguests listening to her but not telling her anything about what they are thinking. Maybe they skipped an intro to Starting Over 101 lately of what it means to support each other. As far as I know, part of it is letting someone know what you think when you're in a conversation not just nodding and then rolling your eyes later. Kim was thinking she was "getting it" on the patio later and the other 2 knew she was missing the mark. All of them have problems with relationships and it's hard to watch them all miss opportunities for progress with increasing vulnerability and intimacy. Kim wasn't checking with them for feedback and they weren't offering in the course of a conversation something that includes,"well even though you said some nice things at the end, it sounded too much like you were rehashing the past and making yourself right in an old argument" So much for "I love her but she..." BS. That's just putting up with her or tuning her out. I thought the house was about women supporting women.
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04-20-06, 08:46 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Twinkles,More relevant words haven't been spoken: ...what it means to support each other...part of it is letting someone know what you think when you're in a conversation not just nodding and rolling your eyes later." That should be taped to the refrigerator at the SO house! They use the word "support" so often, I am beginning to wonder if they are a bunch of human bras. Support, support, support. I have never seen a word so misused. *******************************************
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04-20-06, 10:15 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
OMG.... I was waiting for someone to tell Kim to shut the f*** up already. She goes on and on. I can't stand to listen to her. If I were in that house with her, id have to suffocate her in her sleep. I could never ever be friends with a person like her !! There is something definitly wrong with her IMO.
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04-20-06, 10:19 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Kim wasn't checking with them for feedback and they weren't offering in the course of a conversation something that includes,"well even though you said some nice things at the end, it sounded too much like you were rehashing the past and making yourself right in an old argument"So much for "I love her but she..." BS. That's just putting up with her or tuning her out. I thought the house was about women supporting women.
Maybe her HM's didn't have the energy to deal with Kim at that point much like her parents...Kim sucks the energy right outta the old gut...she's exhausting"....they feel that no matter what feedback they give Kim, she never hears it. This woman is an endless nightmare that keeps playing over and over and scaring you to death. I'm sooo scared for her son...if she doesn't get help...her husband will probably bail and that poor kid will be left to become the next "victim" of Kim's rage and revenge.
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04-20-06, 10:07 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-20-06 AT 10:09 PM (EST)Hi Tracyc1166.....Kim once again revealed the "truth" of who she is ...she has noooo tact whatsoever, and it came across loud and clear..Kelly's graduation was not the place for her comments nor should it have even mattered since Kelly was moving on, but Kim couldn't let her get out the door "without one-upping-her"...this woman isn't balanced...she's what we call "stuck on stupid" ...she will never go on the green light because she's mesmerized by the red light. Kim can't be helped by SO because her problems are much deeper and I'm not sure anyone can help her...she refuses to exercise her demons...she's clutching them tightly...it was a disgraceful act that she pulled...totally out of place.
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04-20-06, 10:17 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
It's not her fault...they took away her 'safe' room so she hired Sue from Survivor to write her speach.....
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04-21-06, 12:50 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Hi Cleverone:It's funny because a month ago Kim was so angelic I would have sworn she'd sprout wings and fly away.Now she's turned into a classless,mannerless,clod virtually overnight. And strangely enough it was at that very moment when I began to have a little respect for her for speaking her mind. Just a little mind you.It made her look really bad because of her timing but I respected the effort.I found her a lot less easy to like when she was playing the perpetual victim,whining incessantly and swearing at her elderly Mother.Her delivery is still all out of whack but the effort was there.And I don't think Rhonda should have bullied her about it.Those graduation speeches are getting ridiculous.Rhonda wants nothing but syrupy accolades and anything else is squashed by the SO thought police.I think Kim may have been trying to convey that she felt Kelly hadn't changed all that much.But it came out as a whining version of her perpetual victim rant.I really don't think she knows how to express things any other way.I finally felt sorry for her.
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04-20-06, 10:54 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Well, I am not a fan of the usual fake, effusive, "I-love-you-sooo-much-now-that-you're-graduating!!!!" speeches, but if I were Kim, I wouldn't have bothered with the frank words to Kelly. Instead, I would have simply enjoyed the fact that Kelly's graduation meant I'd never have to see her again.I highly doubt what these women get up there and say is really much of a surprise...their comments are probably coached, or at least previewed. Maybe they are told to choose one "defining moment" in their relationship with the graduating HG, and talk about that. Kim didn't really have any positives to draw from...what was she going to talk about? The time Kelly informed her Kim was not allowed to speak to her unless there was another person present? If I were Kim, I'd probably have just said something like, "Bye-bye, Kelly! Have a nice life!" and then promptly sit down. Kelly, of course, kept in character, and didn't let it pass. She had the "crazy eyes" while Kim was talking, and made her own wise-@ss replies: "Kim, I've never met anyone quite like you...you are really "out there"...yeah, all you ladies know what I'm talkin' about!!" Kelly, you deserved to be kicked out, but instead they're graduating you. Can you at least pretend for 10 minutes that you've learned something? My guess is that when Kim watches the show and witnesses Kelly's phone calls to her husband..."I hate this chick Kim...she's a freak! I can't stand her! She's so "out there". I hate her!"...she won't worry too much about the speech she made. {BTW, Kelly made a typical, dim-bulb comment to Dr. Stan: "Dr. Stan, you dismantled my brain!" I immediately thought: "Yeah, too bad he didn't put it back together."} 
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04-20-06, 11:18 PM (EST)
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57. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Kim should do everyone a favor and "stand in her grace" and just slap herself.
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04-20-06, 11:53 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I was talking with my Sister about this and it's like Kim has gone back to the first day's she was in SO. Talk, a hundred miles an hour so no one can get a word in edgewise.
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59. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I think Rhonda, IV, and Dr. Stan should have just let those two fight it out in the backyard for graduation. Whoever won, gets to graduate first. But I think Kelly would have ended up still graduating either way. Kelly is all about herself, and Kim is all about herself too.
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04-21-06, 00:17 AM (EST)
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60. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Kim is like an ape that picks bugs off the other apes. All she does is PICK, PICK, PICK. I'm soooooooo sick of her. She totally embarassed herself with that speech. I honestly think since her childhood was so bad and she got beat for everything she thinks she is soooooo innocent about everything now. Her poor husband can't even "love her" right. GET OVER YOURSELF, KIM!! You can be wrong sometimes! And after the graduation she's trying to explain herself--she knew she did something that was not in good taste and she did it anyway. I'm sure she'll have some excuse as to why she did. I hope Rhonda just has a talk with her about what she did and then pushes her a** out the door. SO will be so much better without her!
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63. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Well it seems as if Miss Kim had a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth! Of course it was inappropriate. The thing about it though was that to me when I was watching Kim it was as if she erased everybody else there but Kelly. Her tone didn't sound malicious, but she did seem giddy. It was weird. When Kelly gave her comments regarding Kim, she was insulting her, and everybody laughed including Kim as she nodded her head along. The sad thing about it was that I don't even think Kim had a clue that she was the joke.When Kim was talking with the other two hg's, I understood in part why they didn't say much to her about it. Kim was trying to justify her actions. I suspect she really believes nothing was wrong with what she did. To me that's very delusional. If those 2 hg's would have said to her that it was Kelly's moment and they did not like what she did, Kim may have percieved them as "attacking" her. With Kelly being gone, Kim could easily transfer on to one of them, and just keep mess going. So I understood them not really getting involved. But watching Kim try to talk to them, was just like watching her that time at TJ's pre-grad dinner when she first arrived at the SOH. Something's very wrong and SOH can't help Kim with it. I've always held the position that Kim needs to be in private therapy and a targeted support group, and I still believe that. Other than that I think Kim was an excellent example of why you NEVER EVER invite people who don't like you to special occasions. If they don't like you, you think their gonna celebrate your happiness? ummmm...NO! I'm interested in seeing what the newbies thought of it. I'm thinking maybe Antoinia wasn't the first one to speak because she was too emotional. She doesn't KNOW Kelly. So maybe that's why she kept saying basically, "I'm trippin'" hehehehe...stay tuned Antionia...stayed tuned...hahahaha
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04-21-06, 09:59 AM (EST)
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65. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
So what did Rhonda say to Kim about her comments. I only caught the tail end of the conversation when Kim finds out she's graduating after forgiving herself. Did she get any correction at all?
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69. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
i missed last night's episode (it comes on at 1 am here!). but, when i saw the teaser the night before, and heard what little of kim's diatribe it showed, i couldn't believe it. and, now she's going to graduate? they lc's must realize now that there is no helping or pleasing kim. i have an aunt who claims to be the constant victim, just like kim, always innocent b/c of something bad from your childhood. she finally went bats*it crazy, and moved away from all of us, claiming we made her life miserable. was it our fault she's a diabetic (in poor health, i might add, b/c all she does is eat candy, drink coke, and smoke)? no. is it our fault she chose men over her children? no. is it our fault she chose not to work, but instead commit foodstamp fraud? no. just like it isn't kelly's fault, jill's fault, christina's fault, or any of the other hg's fault that kim had the life she did. and to say that the problem was all kelly/mostly kelly would be shortsighted-kim has had problems with her housemates since day one. you don't just waltz in to a place, and demand friendship and sisterhood-that is developed over time. of course, it's a tv show, and people are going to be portrayed as the producers see fit. so, kim gets stuck with victim, and kelly gets stuck with victimizer. that isn't fair to either, but they must have some grain of truth to each, or a)the hg's wouldn't be able to comment on those behaviors and b)they wouldn't be portrayed in the first place. i don't think either of them are innocent, but kelly was upfront in her "i'm here for me, not everyone else." while that probably wasn't the best attitude for the soh, it made for interesting tv. and kim's lack of class and tact by saying what she did shows how much of a petty, childish person she really is. you just don't say things like that at a time like that! so, i think kelly made her peace with her issue of fear of intimacy, but kim obviously still has miles to go, and if it's true she's graduating soon, i think they are making a mistake.on a side note, does anyone else get the feeling maybe kim started drinking as a teenager/young teenager? i recall her saying "i've partied all my life!", to one of the other hg's. that didn't make sense to me, like ok, here's a survivor of child abuse, saying she's partied her whole life? but when i think about it like that, it makes more sense. maybe that's just me?
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04-21-06, 11:45 AM (EST)
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70. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
"Other than that I think Kim was an excellent example of why you NEVER EVER invite people who don't like you to special occasions. If they don't like you, you think their gonna celebrate your happiness? ummmm...NO!"ITA. Even if they try to wish you well the negativity can come out as a slip of the tongue. I think Kim was trying to be say positive things at that graduation speech and give Kelly a warning about not hurting all the innocents in the world. The scariest thing about the whole speech was that Kim had no idea she was doing all the things you guys have said above - holding the grudge, living in the past, being the victim, etc. I think she thought she was being positive and in the moment and speaking about what it means to graduate in light of progress about a past situation. And it came out like Carrie on prom night. "they lc's must realize now that there is no helping or pleasing kim" Maybe not this soon. I wondered this when she checked in. With the depths of her problems, what did they expect to accomplish in 2 months?
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04-21-06, 05:11 PM (EST)
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78. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
From the previews Kelly's coming to Kim's graduation, so we'll get to see if Kelly rises to the occasion. I hope she does.
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04-21-06, 11:58 AM (EST)
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71. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Baxtera...I'm in the West Coast, so I haven't seen today's show yet where Rhonda talks to her.
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04-21-06, 01:31 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
You know, I should have known that good old Kim would come out of this Kelly thing smelling like a rose.
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04-21-06, 04:17 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
When Kelly gave her comments regarding Kim, she was insulting her, and everybody laughed including Kim as she nodded her head along. The sad thing about it was that I don't even think Kim had a clue that she was the joke.
Typical example of my feelings about Kim...it's almost as if her elevator doesn't go to the top...Kim is clueless!!
When Kim was talking with the other two hg's, I understood in part why they didn't say much to her about it. Kim was trying to justify her actions. I suspect she really believes nothing was wrong with what she did. To me that's very delusional. If those 2 hg's would have said to her that it was Kelly's moment and they did not like what she did, Kim may have percieved them as "attacking" her. With Kelly being gone, Kim could easily transfer on to one of them, and just keep mess going. So I understood them not really getting involved. But watching Kim try to talk to them, was just like watching her that time at TJ's pre-grad dinner when she first arrived at the SOH.
My sentiments exactly, why waste the effort..."she'll only attack one of them for not getting her"...Kim has severe problems and is v-e-r-y -----d-e-l-u-s-i-o-n-a-l to say the least....it's sad. ****************************
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04-21-06, 08:24 PM (EST)
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82. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
>...watching her explain it, just goes to
>show how baddd Kim's situation is...I wished she hadn't
>made that blunder, so that she could leave SO on
>a good noteI was going to post something about calling Kim's delusional speech a 'blunder', but I figured I'd better check the definition before I made a blunder. I found: : to make a mistake through stupidity, ignorance, or carelessness
: to utter stupidly, confusedly, or thoughtlessly I guess, in fact, blunder does pretty well describe Kim.
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04-21-06, 09:02 PM (EST)
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83. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GLAD-Kim told Kelly off-Kelly needed to hear it-Kelly is LUCKY it was Kim up there and not somebody else-I would have told that Old Hag Kelly off AND then some!!!Good for Kim!PEACE
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04-21-06, 10:48 PM (EST)
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84. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
AMEN SISTA!!!!! KIM...YOU FREAKIN ROCK!!!!!!
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86. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
I think Kim felt it was her last chance to tell Kelly how she felt, that she really hadn't ever intended to hurt Kelly and in that sense was "innocent." I mean, Kelly wasn't the easiest person to talk to, and while the graduation may have been a surprising time to say what she did, Kim had the right to say it. I didn't hear anything in what she said that didn;t ring true. It was actually pretty nice of her to say Kelly did most of the changing. I guess that was one thing she said that I thought was less than true. I don't know that Kelly changed at all, other than not blowing up as much in front of the life coaches or in the clips they decided to air on T.V. Anyway I think Kim's speech was much less of a big deal than a lot of other things that have happened in the show, and Rhonda handled it perfectly, reminding Kim to watch how she says things, but ultimately supporting Kim.
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04-22-06, 10:08 AM (EST)
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87. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
for what little of the episode i saw last night, for kim to say "i really don't know how i've changed," speaks a lot to me. i really don't thik she has. i could see her winding up in a psyche ward, solitary confinement. it might actually do her good, and then who could she fight with? the walls? her huggy jacket? kim doesn't want to take responsibility for anyhting she does, she just wants to cast blame on everyone around her. i do believe it's lashing out for what she went through as a child. like i said before, kelly wasn't the only one to experience the wrath of kim; neither were her hm's. her mother felt it, her husband felt it, and her beautiful baby boy felt it. i really do feel for kim, and i think it's horrible what she went through- but it's time to stop taking it out on everyone, and start living life! she's the only one who can improve her lot in life. maybe the soh wasn't what she needed, and it doesn't seem to have been what she thought it would be. so, my hope for kim ;) is that she gets the help she needs, and starts living the life she deserves.
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89. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Kim will end up just as she fears, a divorced single parent. Its a self fulfilling prophecy. She said from day one thats not what she wanted but she keeps heading in that direction. I bet she develops a serious drinking problem too..
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04-22-06, 04:17 PM (EST)
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90. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
With these tapes to show the judge she'll be lucky to end up a single parent and not a non-custodial parent. Jeff has a great deal of dirt to use against her should he ever choose to try and proove she is unfit and unstable to care for Jax. Not a wise move Kim.
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04-23-06, 00:47 AM (EST)
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93. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
Kim-You go gurl!You told that OLD HAG off but good!!Finally-Someone in the house had the Ba**s to tell Kelly off-PEACE AT YA!
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94. "RE: Kim's Comments" |
This reminds me of the group session when TJ told Alison that she had seen growth in Alison because she doesn't make that cute-sy scrunched up face as much as she did at the beginning. Then TJ made the scrunchy face. TJ honestly could not say she saw Alison accomplish her goal, but she did say she looked somewhat less annoying. It was the best moment!
I am a firm believer in being honest. Kim clearly felt she needed to say something honest, albeit disjointed in a wtf? kind of way. Perhaps she could not figure out why Kelly was graduating without accomplishing her goal - It is a discussion she should have had with Rhonda. Something along the lines of "Why do you support people in their dysfunction by graduating them when they aren't ready?"
It was inappropriate of Kim to do it at a graduation, but we never see all of the graduation speeches/comments - I wonder how many contain backhanded compliments or are completely self-serving. Perhaps not many, but I am sure there are some awkward, not great speeches. Wouldn't the outtakes be fun to see?
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right there with you malibu 
THAT was funny!!!!
