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"Joe Schmo knows."
Joe is also an actor. The other actors and audience are suppose to think he does not know it is not real. When the other actors are getting what they are suppose to do so does matt.


Reasons I think this are.
1. Nobody could be so stupid.
2. It will make a good surprise ending.
3. The show will always go on because Matt will never find out the truth because he already knows.
4. The show makers have already shown they are willing to lie and trick people so why not the audience.
5. The makers of the show film themselves and try to act surprised when somthing happens, this is again only there to throw us off.
6. Joe knows Tawnya the pornstars name and he gets to hold her breast. The makers wanted him to hold her breasts so they told him which paper to pick and he acted like it was random and took his time. Thry also told him to let go quick because they pornstar did not want to have to have the contest go on for hours.
7. What kind of game has a punishment for last place unless it is made just for our star.
8. He calls the gay guy out in 2 mins this would not happen and he only did it because he was suppose to call him out even before they went into the house.
9.He says in the show that he knows he is a great looking guy, this shows that he is playing a role just like everybody else.
10.He over acts. When it comes time to vote he acts really nervous.
11. When the gay guy decides to have a contest to give up his room he is shown on camera practing his impression. Matt then gives a really great imprssion of him because matt also practiced ahead of time and knew it was coming.

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 RE: Joe Schmo knows. kingkida 09-07-03 1
 Agree! moonbaby 09-07-03 2
   RE: Agree! GooBoy 10-10-03 141
       RE: Agree with you gooboy woeisme1 10-13-03 165
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. iam42andgood 09-07-03 3
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-07-03 4
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. munson 09-07-03 5
 If he knows... sleeeve 09-07-03 6
   RE: If he knows... Guppin1234 09-08-03 7
       RE: If he knows... SurvivorBlows 09-08-03 12
           Good address Bucky Katt 09-08-03 15
   What if.... moonbaby 09-08-03 10
   RE: If he knows... Lumster 09-09-03 21
       RE: If he knows... pnoeric 09-09-03 23
           RE: If he knows... blowmonkey 09-24-03 74
               Warning AyaK 09-24-03 78
               RE: If he knows... Guppin1234 09-24-03 80
       RE: If he knows... Guppin1234 09-27-03 88
   RE: If he knows... vernonwells 09-10-03 31
   RE: If he knows... Jpod5 09-15-03 45
   RE: If he knows... erikman 10-24-03 169
       RE: If he knows... Guppin1234 10-24-03 170
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Draco Malfoy 09-08-03 8
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. pnoeric 09-08-03 9
       Care less CantStandToLook 09-08-03 11
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. blowmonkey 09-24-03 75
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Lumster 09-09-03 22
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. SurvivorBlows 09-08-03 13
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. munson 09-08-03 17
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. RebelYell 09-12-03 43
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Jpod5 09-15-03 46
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-15-03 48
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Lumster 09-16-03 49
 Personally... FesterFan1 09-08-03 14
   RE: Personally... pnoeric 09-08-03 18
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Bucky Katt 09-08-03 16
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. blowmonkey 09-24-03 77
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-24-03 81
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. kingkida 09-08-03 19
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Lumster 09-09-03 20
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. dolly19 09-09-03 24
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Jpod5 09-15-03 47
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 114
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. Jpod5 10-09-03 119
               RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 121
           Rubb off behavior Guppin1234 10-09-03 122
               RE: Rubb off behavior jhmayer 10-09-03 123
               RE: Rubb off behavior OceansAngel16 10-09-03 130
                   RE: Rubb off behavior jhmayer 10-09-03 132
                       RE: Rubb off behavior OceansAngel16 10-09-03 136
                           RE: Rubb off behavior jhmayer 10-09-03 138
                               RE: Rubb off behavior OceansAngel16 10-09-03 139
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Loree 09-17-03 68
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. dekko 09-09-03 25
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Lumster 09-10-03 29
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 115
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-09-03 127
   The actors DO suck, but... AMAI 09-11-03 38
       RE: The actors DO suck, but... Estee 09-11-03 40
       RE: The actors DO suck, but... pnoeric 09-12-03 44
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Jeffquest 09-10-03 26
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. pnoeric 09-10-03 28
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Siren 09-10-03 36
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Lumster 09-10-03 30
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 116
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-09-03 128
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 131
               RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-09-03 134
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. ugibugi 09-10-03 27
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. rfields 09-10-03 32
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. spacebunny 09-10-03 35
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. jboze3131 09-10-03 33
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. CantStandToLook 09-10-03 34
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-11-03 41
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. woeisme1 10-11-03 147
               RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 10-11-03 151
                   RE: Joe Schmo knows. woeisme1 10-11-03 155
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-27-03 89
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-10-03 37
   Joe knows reality shows. Estee 09-11-03 39
       RE: Joe knows reality shows. delirium42 09-11-03 42
       RE: Joe knows reality shows. AZ_Leo 09-16-03 51
           RE: Joe knows reality shows. Estee 09-16-03 52
               RE: Joe knows reality shows. Guppin1234 09-16-03 53
                   RE: Joe knows reality shows. Neffer 09-16-03 54
                   RE: Joe knows reality shows. Jpod5 09-16-03 55
                   RE: Joe knows reality shows. AZ_Leo 09-16-03 56
                       RE: Joe knows reality shows. pnoeric 09-16-03 57
                       RE: Joe knows reality shows. Guppin1234 09-27-03 90
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. burgh 09-16-03 50
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Deonna 09-16-03 58
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-27-03 91
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. termmy12 09-16-03 59
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Goomba767 09-16-03 60
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. indigoboyca 09-16-03 61
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Goomba767 09-16-03 62
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. goschmoego 09-17-03 63
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Deonna 09-17-03 64
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. CantStandToLook 09-17-03 65
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Neffer 09-17-03 66
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. rabidstoat 09-17-03 67
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Topher 09-17-03 69
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-17-03 70
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. grubbmeister 09-23-03 71
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. erikman 09-23-03 72
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. blowmonkey 09-24-03 73
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Jpod5 09-24-03 79
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. cantbreakme 09-24-03 85
               RE: Joe Schmo knows. Jpod5 09-25-03 87
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-24-03 82
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. Neffer 09-24-03 83
               RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-27-03 92
                   RE: Joe Schmo knows. woeisme1 10-11-03 148
                       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 10-11-03 152
                           RE: Joe Schmo knows. woeisme1 10-11-03 156
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Neffer 09-24-03 84
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Zume 09-25-03 86
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 09-27-03 93
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. erikman 09-27-03 94
           Road to no where Guppin1234 09-27-03 95
               RE: Road to no where erikman 09-27-03 96
                   RE: Road to no where Guppin1234 09-27-03 97
                       RE: Road to no where erikman 09-27-03 98
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. jmc 09-27-03 99
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. johnyIROC 09-29-03 100
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Neffer 09-29-03 101
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 09-30-03 102
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 117
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Rabies 10-01-03 103
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 10-01-03 106
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. queenkarma 10-01-03 104
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-01-03 105
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 10-01-03 107
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-01-03 108
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. johnyIROC 10-01-03 109
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. woeisme1 10-11-03 149
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 10-11-03 153
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. JustMe2001M 10-08-03 110
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-08-03 111
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 118
       RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-09-03 129
           RE: Joe Schmo knows. jhmayer 10-09-03 137
               RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-09-03 140
                   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Guppin1234 10-10-03 143
                       RE: In awe (off topic for a sec) woeisme1 10-11-03 150
                           RE: In awe (off topic for a sec) Guppin1234 10-11-03 154
                               RE: In awe (off topic for a sec) woeisme1 10-11-03 157
                                   RE: In awe (off topic for a sec) Guppin1234 10-11-03 159
                                       RE: In awe (off topic for a sec) woeisme1 10-12-03 162
                       RE:REAL or FAKE jhmayer 10-13-03 163
                           RE:REAL or FAKE Guppin1234 10-13-03 164
                   RE: Joe Schmo knows. Miss_Chevious 10-11-03 158
                       Reality hell Guppin1234 10-11-03 160
                       RE: Joe Schmo knows. erikman 10-11-03 161
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Miss_Chevious 10-08-03 112
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. OceansAngel16 10-08-03 113
 RE: "Bad Acting" jhmayer 10-09-03 120
 RE: Brian's the Mole jhmayer 10-09-03 124
   RE: Brian's the Mole OceansAngel16 10-09-03 126
 RE: Rules of the Game jhmayer 10-09-03 125
   RE: Rules of the Game erikman 10-09-03 133
       RE: Rules of the Game OceansAngel16 10-09-03 135
       RE: Rules of the Game aviators99 10-10-03 142
           RE: Rules of the Game erikman 10-10-03 144
               RE: Rules of the Game OceansAngel16 10-10-03 145
                   RE: Rules of the Game erikman 10-10-03 146
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. Bebo 10-17-03 166
   RE: Joe Schmo knows. erikman 10-17-03 167
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. micro 10-17-03 168
 RE: Joe Schmo knows.... 24 hours to... buckbeak 10-27-03 171
   RE: Joe Schmo knows.... 24 hours to... dracosaur 10-29-03 172
 RE: Joe Schmo knows. mostchillinchick 10-30-03 173

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1. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
You may have a point, but I don't think so. I think that Matt is just this good. That would be a huge suprise though!
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2. "Agree!"
Oh I so agree. After a half hour of this I am DONE. Joe so knows....it all has a total fakes all around vibe to it!


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141. "RE: Agree!"
I don't understand all you people who are so convinced Joe knows. Where exactly does the network benefit from that? They will obviously run re-runs, tryt o release DVDs etc. How would it seem like a good idea to tell the viewing public at the end "It wasn't real! Our show is a fraud! please forget about us and our fledgling network! We are frauds!" Spike TV is brand new, and I don't think they would rock the boat in that way. These execs know what they are doing, and pissing off the viewing public is probably not on their agenda. The only possible scenario I forsee happening, is that Matt figured it out through the course of filming and approached a producer in private. He then played off the rest of the season to turn the tables. But I believe he was initially completely fooled, and may stay that way until the end. Sure, it might seem obvious to all of us, because we know what the show is about. But in real life, most people aren't that paranoid. Especially on a reality TV show. Matt would have to expect that everyone around him is going to ham it up, and make characitures of themselves, anyway. I honestly think there are actually people as sweet and innocent as Matt out there. It may be far from our cynical and world-hating views, but I am sure the producers went through thousands of contestants until they found just the right sucker.

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165. "RE: Agree with you gooboy"
You make very valid and REALISTIC points about spike tv being new and not wanting to alienate it's audience. Plus if they did con the public by making it a joke on "us" they would loose the revenue that putting it on dvd would bring in. And isn't the "bottom line" always about revenue?
There ARE people as sweet and innocent as Matt out there (heck at that age I was too, now I'm just sweet but also gullible sometimes) and since we are not walking in his shoes what right do we have to JUDGE him as stupid or idiotic anyway?

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3. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
You are right, he is an actor and he knows. He does over act. He is way to nice. Not that there aren't nice people out there but not like him. I really thought this was a good idea for a show, to bad he (and the other actors) act so bad. lol.
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4. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Maybe they picked a ditzy, too nice guy just to see how much CR*P he's willing to take before he shows his evil side?
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5. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Joe Schmo so knows, yo!
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6. "If he knows..."
LAST EDITED ON 09-08-03 AT 00:00 AM (EST)

Then why was he so pissed off that he threatened to sue the network (until he read the fine print of his contract and realized that he had given the producers the right to make an ass out of him).

For the record, "Joe" was so pissed off that he refused to participate in any publicity for the show, including talk show appearances, etc.

If he was an actor hired to play the part, then he sure is screwing the network with his protrayal.

For the full stories on all of the problems that Spike TV has had with their Joe Schmo, check out our news site.

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7. "RE: If he knows..."
I couldn't find it. Whereabouts is it listed under news?
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12. "RE: If he knows..."
>I couldn't find it. Whereabouts
>is it listed under news?

http://www.joeschmo.com/joeschmo/

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15. "Good address"
Good grab on joeschmo.com Webby - did you get an offer from SpikeTV for it?

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10. "What if...."
this is all viewer misdirection? A giant thumbing of the nose at reality tv show audiences?

Whatever the case may be, this show broke the cheese-O-meter. I can't bear to watch it again.

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21. "RE: If he knows..."
>Then why was he so pissed
>off that he threatened to
>sue the network (until he
>read the fine print of
>his contract and realized that
>he had given the producers
>the right to make an
>ass out of him).

When I first saw the show, I thought about that and the legalities that would be involved in such a betrayal. I thought for sure that he'd sue them. Then I saw how dumb he was and figured he signed a contract without reading it fully and hence, his rights went right out the door.

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23. "RE: If he knows..."
slightly-off-topic note: what rights?! <g> the standard contract for reality shows; in fact, for nearly ANY TV appearance, says (in effect) "I am signing away all rights to the producers, who can do anything at all they want with the images of me. ANYTHING." seriously-- it's not like people cast on reality shows have any negotiating power or say in how they are portrayed. he signed the same deal everyone does, which lets the producers use anything and everything as they see fit.

that said, yeah, he's kind of a dumb lunk. but a loveable lunk.

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74. "RE: If he knows..."
you freaking dumb people. How much crap can you handle before you vomit. Of course that sort of thing would be made public to keep up appearances that this is a real guy. Duh! Come on, if this were in any way going to hurt the show it wouldn't be public, the contracts would have stipulated that. This only works in the show's favor, that's why it was released. In the end you're all gonna feel like retards for buying into the B.S. But hell it's fun to watch. The actors are the true reality victims.
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Welcome, blowmonkey. Please read the guidelines, especially the parts dealing with comments to other posters. As the abbreviated summary at the top of each page says:

Trying to get everyone to agree with you is like herding cats, but intolerance for other viewpoints is NOT welcome and respect for other posters IS required at all times.

I have deleted one of your other posts in this thread (the reply to SurvivorBlows). Feel free to express your viewpoint, but not to express your opinion about how stupid everyone who disagrees with you is.

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80. "RE: If he knows..."
"In the end you're all gonna feel like retards for buying into the B.S."

It's just a TV show!

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88. "RE: If he knows..."
It's probably as simple as one line in the contract that reads "The producers have the right to make changes at any time during the game." It would have to be globally vague.

The contestants are so eager to get humiliated at the chance to win some money, they don't think about getting screwed in other ways.

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31. "RE: If he knows..."
wants to sue the show.........PUBLICITY STUNT

no talk shows............... contract forbids it till show's conclusion (like all these shows)

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45. "RE: If he knows..."
Your argument doesn't really prove much. 'If' he was in on it, then the whole post-production fiasco could be for publicity, no?
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169. "RE: If he knows..."
>LAST EDITED ON 09-08-03
>AT 00:00 AM (EST)

>
>Then why was he so pissed
>off that he threatened to
>sue the network (until he
>read the fine print of
>his contract and realized that
>he had given the producers
>the right to make an
>ass out of him).
>
>For the record, "Joe" was so
>pissed off that he refused
>to participate in any publicity
>for the show, including talk
>show appearances, etc.
>
>If he was an actor hired
>to play the part, then
>he sure is screwing the
>network with his protrayal.
>
>For the full stories on all
>of the problems that Spike
>TV has had with their
>Joe Schmo, check out our
>news site.
tarzan groupie at sucks says matt is in the latest issue of people. he says he was not pissed just embaresed when he found out and he never knew. i looked at the s-blows news site but i never found the article about matt tryng to sue. if that was true they must have realy paid him off betwean then and now they figured how popular he is.

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170. "RE: If he knows..."
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I don't know why he's being so hard on himself.

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8. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I agree. I think he's in on the gag or maybe, with one or two other people probably, playing everyone else right back. There's just too many obvious gaffes that he's flown right by, and the fact that he's managed to screw up both challenges so far really makes me think he knows.

We'll see after this week tho. Thank gods its only an hour this week, 2 hours was a bit much.

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9. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
it will really suck if th ejoke is on the viewer-- it sort of destroys the credibility of the entire show, and the idea of watching this experiment... hmm a frind of mine worked on this show, i'll see if I can get him to tell me if it's a joke or not.

as for the show itself, it is a bit surprising that he pulled his hand off the hooker so quickly, BUT, the rest of the screw ups have been so minor that i'm not surprised that he didn't blink. (for example: MATT'S explanation of the survivor rat/snake speech made sense , and it woudl be easy to justify in that case.)

soooo-- I think it's believeable so far.

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11. "Care less"
With all the other crap on tv...especially in the Reality TV Genre..I dont care if Joe Schmoe knows or not. It's still funny and at least for the most part, they're not trying to make us think that this is how these people really act. I am looking at it like that movie you wouldn't pay to see in the theatre but will watch when it comes on tv. This time, we're just skipping the theatre.

Can I hear "The Real Cancun" anyone...and I still haven't seen that one.

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75. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
The joke is on the viewer, and the actors, to a somewhat lesser degree, I believe they are told to follow plot points for sure, but he is the ultimate actor. By believing he knows nothing, he is in essence playing the viewer and the other actors for the entirety of the show. This was bloody obvious tonight, there is absolutely no question.
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22. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>There's just too many obvious gaffes that he's flown right by, >and the fact that he's managed to screw up both challenges so >far really makes me think he knows.

It just baffles me how cynical people are - always questioning the premise of reality shows. What's the point of having reality shows if they're all acting? Even in a show whose very premise is to make fun of reality shows - get a clue people - this guy Matt is really THAT stupid!!! The producers rigged the first contest so he would lose. The second contest, they actually wanted to have him win (like anyone's gonna vote him out)!!! He screwed it up because he's an idiot!

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13. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
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>Reasons I think this are.
>1. Nobody could be so stupid.

You need to get out more... there are some really stupid people in this world

>2. It will make a good surprise ending.

It would... but so would MAtt's reaction when they tell him he's been getting punk'd all along.

>3. The show will always go on because Matt will never
>find out the truth because he already knows.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

>4. The show makers have already shown they are willing to
>lie and trick people so why not the audience.

Hey, why stop there... why not the Spike TV network too? This is very weak reason -- by your logic, then every reality show from For Love Or Money to Joe Millionaire to Survivor is staged by paid actors.

>5. The makers of the show film themselves and try to
>act surprised when somthing happens, this is again only there
>to throw us off.

Again, I have no clue what your trying to say or how it illustrates Matt knows.

>6. Joe knows Tawnya the pornstars name and he gets to
>hold her breast. The makers wanted him to hold her
>breasts so they told him which paper to pick and
>he acted like it was random and took his time.

Um... no. You really don't get the show, do you? What happens is on-the-fly, the producers change the challenges so that Matt always wins if the script called for him to win or loses if the script called for him to lose. The underwear competition was Example A.

> Thry also told him to let go quick because
>they pornstar did not want to have to have the
>contest go on for hours.

It's a reality show... competitions are NOT shown in real time. Whether a competition lasts 10 minutes or 6 hours makes no difference to them, in the end they edit it to whatever length they want to show. In fact, most producers WANT long competitions, it helps them build drama and suspense and show's a contestant overcoming "adversity."

>7. What kind of game has a punishment for last place
>unless it is made just for our star.

Um... ya, that's exactly the point. What's yours? Lots of game's have punishments for last place... only in most cases it's elimination. In Big Brother the penalty for failure is peanut butter and jelly. Is the concept really as abnormal as you make it seem? No...

>8. He calls the gay guy out in 2 mins this
>would not happen and he only did it because he
>was suppose to call him out even before they went
>into the house.

Oh sure, you must have seen this "fact" in the copy of the script you obtained, correct?

>9.He says in the show that he knows he is a
>great looking guy, this shows that he is playing a
>role just like everybody else.

You know what they say when you make assumptions...

>10.He over acts. When it comes time to vote he acts
>really nervous.

Have you ever watched another reality show? Plenty of folks get nervous when they have to vote. Heck, some even start sobbing...

>11. When the gay guy decides to have a contest to
>give up his room he is shown on camera practing
>his impression. Matt then gives a really great imprssion of
>him because matt also practiced ahead of time and knew
>it was coming.

Sure... no assumption here.

All in all, I think your "reasons" are largely nothing more than a bunch of strange assumptions and leaps in logic that you're made. There's next to zero concrete facts in your reasons.

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17. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
C'mon and fess up, Webby. You're in on it, too, right?

If Joe doesn't know, then the producers lucked out, really. The fun in this show is not watching Joe but rather watching all of the "actors" stress about keeping up the ruse 24/7. What was there, about 5 "Oh, crap!" moments amongst them when they thought they blew it? Should be good stuff.

Personally, I still think he knows. Guess we'll find out in ten weeks or so.

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43. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>>3. The show will always go on because Matt will never
>>find out the truth because he already knows.
>
>I'm not sure what this is
>supposed to mean.
>
What it means is that there is no risk to the show not reaching its conclusion if Matt is in on the joke, too.

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46. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I agree with you SB on most of your rebuttle...however, I have to admit I'm starting to think Matt is the best actor on board and in the end will take the others by surprise.

First, I do have a difficult time with the 'law school dropout turned pizza delivery guy' thing. If he's as unintelligent and naive as they portray him to be, then he couldn't ever have passed the entrance exams necessary to get into even 'lower-tier' law schools (which I believe would be a prerequisite to ba called a dropout). If he did get into law school at some point, then it's a bit silly that he'd now be delivering pizzas FOR A LIVING. Maybe while he's still taking other classes, but man, talk about a drop in your goals...he goes from ill-fated ambition to pizza delivery?

The slip-ups are mounting. Again back to the first point, if he's actually a bright guy, then the number of slip-ups has to be wearing on him.

The last post did have a good point with the Kip outing. Really, as Matt's personality has unfolded, would a guy so 'nervous' and in awe of his surroundings (thought he wanted to jump out of the limo and just bolt) do something upon first introductions like say 'Kip, you're gay right?' I'm not saying it's proof positive, just difficult to justify.

The marine's explanation for the boxers is horrific. He even said they were 'taped up on her waist', which proves he couldn't have been looking at the elf-boxers.

If you watch the moment at which Matt takes his hand off the hooker, all 8 of them look at him with this amazing amount of shock...not surprise, but shock.

Then, you have the fact that he's repeatedly consoled people who were screwing up? He had Molly dead in the water, and next minute is confessing his guilt to her over his vote??

Lastly, in the hot tub, more than one person used terminology like 'we're all impressed with you', or 'we all feel that...'. They didn't use that on anyone else, and it was way too obvious that they were speaking on behalf of the other 'contestants'.

So while I still hold out the possibility that Matt is one heck of a naive guy who got lucky on law school entrance exams, I really think he has to be in on it. I actually think it would be kind of cool to have the joke be on the actors...that way nobody innocent gets duped! My one obstacle is the moment when he took the hand away, the production crew seemed genuinely suprised (although why was there reaction being filmed in the first place?) What if there is a bigger fish or just a couple people within the show's creation/production that has Joe in on things? That would be pretty cool. I suspect the show looks so obviously shallow and unbelievable because that's exactly how it's supposed to!

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48. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I thought that was a pretty good save by the marine with needing his glasses..... with the help of Dr. Pat stalling for time.

I was going to say he probably needed to do something mundane to recover from the chaos of law school so he decided to deliver pizzas for a while, but then he joined a reality show.

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49. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>First, I do have a difficult time with the 'law school dropout >turned pizza delivery guy' thing. If he's as unintelligent and >naive as they portray him to be, then he couldn't ever have >passed the entrance exams necessary to get into even 'lower->tier' law schools (which I believe would be a prerequisite to >ba called a dropout). If he did get into law school at some >point, then it's a bit silly that he'd now be delivering pizzas >FOR A LIVING. Maybe while he's still taking other classes, but >man, talk about a drop in your goals...he goes from ill-fated >ambition to pizza delivery?


It's not that hard to believe. Anyone can study and take classes in order to pass LSAT's but the true losers are eventually weeded out. Case in point, obviously, if the guy dropped out, it must have meant that he didn't have it to continue on. So what's a guy to do, sit there and do nothing? I have no problems believing he goes from dropping out of school to delivering pizzas. That just goes to prove the mentality of the guy we're dealing with here - no ambition, no goals, and obviously NOT VERY BRIGHT!

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14. "Personally..."
...I don't think he knows. Then again, who cares? The show's still funny.

There are a ton of gullible people in the world. It's not that big of a leap to think that the producers found one.

Fester <-- will not be shocked either way, and frankly thinks it's better TV to have Joe in the dark.

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18. "RE: Personally..."
what fester said. believe me, there's a real art to reality tv casting, and they did a great job with matt. he's not even THAT dumb, he's just sort of big and clueless. there's a lot of people like that in the world. they found a prize one. they built him up a LOT about winning the money, he might have watched Joe Millionaire or The Bachelorette and thought "I could do that!" (even if he couldn't) and voila, he's in the game and playin' hard and trying to win the money and trying to give good interview because he wants america to love him on tv!

is that so hard to believe? I don't think so.

I worked on a season of big brother and have a ton of friends running around in the reality genre. people want their shot at stardom! ...even through the twisted unreal lens of "reality" tv.

that said, I'll be VERY unhappy if the producers are lying about the whole thing and Matt is an actor. it really does sort of destroy the crediblity of the whole show-- I know, how can I talk about a reality program and credibility in the same sentence?-- but you know what I mean. it's like, the whole enjoyment of the show is based on that conceit. if he's not the rube he appears to be, it's like, well, that was a fun mini-series. but I prefer reality TV.

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16. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
It is never a good idea to make your fan base feel foolish. Remember the Joe Millionaire recrap show where they made the commercials out like it was going to be the finale? The fans of the show were so pissed off they had Paul the Butler apologize on the next episode.

For this reason, I doubt Matt knows. There is no reason for him to know, the payoff at the end is watching Matt realize it is all a setup.

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77. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
What kind of freaking surprise would there be revealing that to him, that's the setup of the whole show. If you've watched just about any reality show, ever, there is always a twist. The twist is that he knew all along and was playing everyone else. Whooooopeee!!!! Surprise, surprise.
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81. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
This particular type of twist is barely predictable....

joe don't know!

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19. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
All I can say is that Joe does not know. He is as real as they get. Discussion over.

How will it end? Does he find out? Does an actor break? Will there be a mutiny? These are all valid questions, but Joe is NOT an actor, that I can tell you.

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20. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>Joe is also an actor.

>Reasons I think this are.
>1. Nobody could be so stupid.

Well, Matt is really that stupid. I mean, look at the guy?! The producers found the perfect dimwit!! Anyway, I don't think he would make that good an actor. We saw the real actors on this show and they SUCK!!!! Especially Gina, whose dramatic over-reation to being voted out was not only unrealistic but stupid.

>6. Joe knows Tawnya the pornstars name

Of course he would! He probably watches her material regularly (again, look at the guy, do you think he has a healthy sex life?)


>7. What kind of game has a punishment for last place

It was obviously put in place to humiliate Matt, who was rigged so he would be in last place.

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24. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I know that Joe seems to be too naive and too believing, but I really don't think Joe knows.

Look, the network didn't cast some wannabe actor from NY or LA - the guy is from Pittsburgh - folks there aren't as jaded as the rest of America. It's like when I watch Jeopardy at home, I know all the answers sitting in my living room, but if I was on the show, would I get all the answers right? It's always easy to play Monday morning quarterback.

I've also looked on SAG and other actor sites and Matt is not on them.....and you can actually find a listing for Matt in the Pittsburgh white pages....there is no way that a network is THAT smart to go through all of this...at least not a cable one.......

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47. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Great note dolly. I'm borderline obsessed with this debate, and despite what I think are numerous contradictions in Matt's behavior, you've given me pause. I appreciate the effort!
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114. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Never thought Matt was in on it until episode where he meets with network exec. Once I tried the theory that he was an actor much of his general behavior and "timing" seemed consistent with the idea. I have many years experience in improv acting and much of what he does suggests he could have been trained as an improvisor, or at least had some acting experience.

Of course the behavior could "rub off" fom the other improvisors and his unconscious (or conscious) efforts to identify with them and belong.

Not all beginning actors are in SAG or AFTRA. My guess is that he would have trained in college (maybe Carnege Mellon in Pittsburgh - one of the best acting schools in the country) and appeared in regional theater or comedy venues.

I think the whole thing is to surprise the cast of "actors" who truly think they're pulling one off on him. My guess is that Brian (also listed as a writer on the show - with previous writing experience) is in on it and there for safety and a measure of control. He's also "Mr. Cool" if you notice his reactions to the things others go ape over.

Garman would have to be clued in as well, but if you go with the "Matt's an actor" theory it would be truly delicious if he too had been set-up. not f*****g likely.

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119. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Even though Schmo isn’t a mega-hit, there is enough attention on it that we’d have heard something by now. We’ve heard from people in his past, even a high-school classmate posting here (supposedly…), but not a single voice reported anywhere that he was seen in a play, an acting class, etc. I’d bet money he’s for real, and if I’m wrong…I’ll love it all the more.
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121. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Good point.

He may indeed be real.

Whether he is is the only thing keeping me interested in the show.

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122. "Rubb off behavior"
Lawyers are actors too.
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123. "RE: Rubb off behavior"
Amen.
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130. "RE: Rubb off behavior"
Some lawyers are some of the best actors.
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132. "RE: Rubb off behavior"
Indeed.

All the more reason to suspect a would-be lawyer recruited who thought he could "pull it off" and pretend to be an ingenuous mark. (With lots of coaching from the show's staff. And rehearsals of events he would face, to make him more comfortable when facing them.)

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136. "RE: Rubb off behavior"
but Matt didn't quite get to being a lawyer, he dropped out of school. Would the staff have been able to coach Matt while practicing and working with the actors for the year the into of the show says they worked training?
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138. "RE: Rubb off behavior"
It's an avowed fake show.

We have no idea how long they rehearsed the other "contestants" beyond what they say on what is a fictional show. It may not have been really a year.

I am sure they could have found someone to run Matt through all of the events for a couple of weeks before the actual shooting began. Much like attorneys run non-performer witnesses in "rehearsal" of what might happen in court. Over and over. So they lose their nervousness. Dr. Phil Mc Graw made a small forture (pre-Oprah) doing just that.

We see the show over a two and a half month period. The whole "shoot" was only about 10 days. Each day of shooting becomes a week of viewing.

I am sure he could have been run through the things that were going to happen to him in a location far away from where the rest of the cast was rehearsing.

Or maybe not.

Maybe he IS truly innocent.

That's what keeps me interested in watching this silly show to the end.

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139. "RE: Rubb off behavior"
Fair enough, but they did have to spend more time with the actors, to run them through how they figured Matt would act. They could have done what attorneys do with the rehersals, and he could have been run through what was going to happen somewhere else. The thing witht hat though, is that they would have had to have a seperate person that the actors never met, and never saw throught their run through of secenarios, and through taping. The people Matt would have worked with would have had to have been kept on hand though, incase something happened that wasn't ment to, but still stay out of sight of the actors.
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68. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Matt could very well think that one or more of the other contestants are just lying about their background. Look at the exagerations and lies we hear from some of the BB contestants. He may even start to think that Molly is only pretending to be this sweet virgin so nobody will vote her off. That would explain the phony background. I doubt he would suspect they were hired actors. Just liars.
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25. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."

>1. Nobody could be so stupid.

You've never worked in retail, have you?

People are much dumber than the media has led you to believe. That's why they watch television.

Honestly, I'm just kind of astonished they didn't get better improv actors--like those that wouldn't screw up the limited continuity of their characters.

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29. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>Honestly, I'm just kind of astonished they didn't get better >improv actors--like those that wouldn't screw up the limited >continuity of their characters.

I think they decided to hire some really low budget, crappy actors. With the exception of the gay guy, everyone else there can't act worth #####!

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115. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
They needed actors with few or no credits so, ostensibly, Matt wouldn't recognize them, so they started at the bottom of the barrell.

Also if you go along with the "Joe Knows" scenario it's funny to watch a lot of bad improvisors who think they're pulling one off get it in the end.

Reality shows . . .sarcastic? Nooooooooo.

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127. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I thought they had had a problem with David, who lays Hutch because he was in Six Feet Under, supposidly one of Matts favourite shows, and they were worried that Matt would recognize him.

Also, I've seen in some other posts here that some of the other actors have been in other TV shows, so they didn't exactly get the bottom of the barrell, no name actors. I didn't even think these people were improve actors, because they had spent a year practising and preparing..

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38. "The actors DO suck, but..."
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even good/great actors have problems with last-minute changes. Look at the blooper reels for a variety of shows. Only on this show, if you don't get it right first time, you have to figure out how to fix your mistake.

Some of this scrambling around to make the story go in a pre-determined direction is getting old fast. Matt is a bit stupid & gullible, but he's not completely witless.

For prime example, I think some interesting opportunities for fun footage were lost when they chose to alter the underwear ownership in order to make Matt lose a game that he had won. Imagine how he might have begun preening over his ability to "read" people.

For this show to really work on all the levels, the producers needed to build in the ability to "go with the flow." Not only does it help the below-par actors, but it would make for more interesting material. Forcing the show to go along a pre-selected route for the sake of juvenile humiliation scenes, and then twisting around like an f'ing pretzel in order to get Matt into the master suite, is kind of what it feels like watching so much other contrived tv. Stupid dumb & boring.

Granted, there are some situations that can be highly controlled and don't cause actors to forget who they are and what they're doing. And yeah it was hilarious to see Earl screwing up.

But the fact is, some of the competitions SHOULD have been planned with two possibilities - if Matt won and if Matt lost, and have a scenario prepared for each outcome. The mad scrambling to work out what to do would then be more interesting in a situation like the Hand on the Porn Star one, when it's unlikely anyone in this batch of producers would think that Matt would deliberately lose in order to have his own room, even if it's the laundry room.

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40. "RE: The actors DO suck, but..."
>But the fact is, some of the competitions SHOULD have been
>planned with two possibilities - if Matt won and if
>Matt lost, and have a scenario prepared for each outcome.
>The mad scrambling to work out what to do would
>then be more interesting in a situation like the Hand
>on the Porn Star one, when it's unlikely anyone in
>this batch of producers would think that Matt would
> deliberately lose in order to have his own room, even if
>it's the laundry room.

I think any team of producers would have had trouble seeing that one coming. Look at the scenario:

'Red-Blooded American Male Voluntarily Relinquishes Contact With A Noteable Portion Of Female Anatomy. Recognized, Quasi-Famous, Captured On Private DVD Collection Female Anatomy.'

_Way_ down on the flowchart.

I think you're absolutely right, though: the producers couldn't have figured for everything -- 'send a probe out along the most likely route for an unexpected ship' -- but there should be a Worst Case Scenario handbook somewhere. What were they going to do if Matt had a muscle cramp from standing around too long? Prop him up with the pool cleaner? (Imagine if his hand had fallen asleep -- actually, it's probably better if you don't.) If Matt fails where he should have succeeded at any given activity -- or vice-versa -- there should be a back-up plan in place, ready to go, even if it's just 'Quick! Someone grab his legs!'.

As is, they're trying to both predict and control the actions of a human being. There is no way they can hit a 100% success rate. Frankly, I'll be surprised if we see 70%.


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44. "RE: The actors DO suck, but..."
well said! and I think that's part of the appeal of the show (for me, at least), watching the producers freak out when they try to predict what Matt will do, and then of course, he doesn't

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26. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Oh boy does he know. Too much advertising that he doesn't know. Another surefire way of knowing he's "in on it" is that he talks too much. He was rooting on Kip way too much in the Porn Star Challenge. The question was asked, "What red blooded American Male would let go of a Porn Star?" Well I would. Porn Stars are only fun when they're doing porn! Otherwise, they're just another girl in a bikini. Plus, He wasn't supposed to know she was a porn star... but he recognized her? There have been way too many goofs by the other players, and when they went to the shot of the "surprised" production crew after he let go of the girl, There were too many cuts to different cameras showing the shock of the crew. He knows... And the premise is that the Audience isn't supposed to find out about it until the final show. By the way, when they were having the underwear show, Matt yelled the loudest when Kip struted Naked. Whats with that?
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28. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
side note: what's so weird about him recognizing the "hooker" as a known porn star? that's perfectly within the realm of reality TV... pretend for a minute this is a real competition in a real reality show (I know, I know, but work with me here!) ...they would use the term "hooker" loosely, of course, but it's possible that they would also do some semi-celeb stunt casting to make it fun. sort of like how they have C-level celebs show up on these things occasionally just to make it a little interesting. (heck, or think about sheryl crow in the bb2 yard, what was that for?)

the only "difference" with The Lap Of Luxury is that they show Matt saying "hey, you're tawny" instead of editing it out like they would on another show. it's a wink to the audience, Matt got it too, that's ok. (if anything, it's funny that it reveals that he knows his porn stars so well!) this is all still believeable in the LofL universe. I don't think there's any "tipoff" there.

now, if it was, say, Anderson Cooper naked, and Matt exclaimed "now wait a minute, you're the Mole guy! what are you doing here?" --well, we'd have a problem.

other side note: yes, Matt was sort of over-participating by encouraging Kip to not let go... WELCOME TO REALITY TV, where the producers probably said to him "it will help a lot if you pick sides at the end and be vocal about it; we need to build drama when it comes down to two!" --and that ends up not on the final program. hey, it's a reality fake-out in a show about a reality-fake out, on a reality tv show. now if that doesn't make your head spin, nothing will.

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36. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
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"now, if it was, say, Anderson Cooper naked"

Now that would be a great episode! Oh, to dream...

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30. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>Oh boy does he know.
>Too much advertising that he
>doesn't know. Another surefire
>way of knowing he's "in
>on it" is that he
>talks too much. He
>was rooting on Kip way
>too much in the Porn
>Star Challenge. The question
>was asked, "What red blooded
>American Male would let go
>of a Porn Star?"
>Well I would. Porn
>Stars are only fun when
>they're doing porn! Otherwise,
>they're just another girl in
>a bikini. Plus, He
>wasn't supposed to know she
>was a porn star... but
>he recognized her? There
>have been way too many
>goofs by the other players,
>and when they went to
>the shot of the "surprised"
>production crew after he let
>go of the girl,
>There were too many cuts
>to different cameras showing the
>shock of the crew.
>He knows... And the premise
>is that the Audience isn't
>supposed to find out about
>it until the final show.
> By the way, when
>they were having the underwear
>show, Matt yelled the loudest
>when Kip struted Naked.
>Whats with that?

Hello? Have you ever thought that maybe he watches porn and hence, that's why he knew she was a porn star? He seems to be kind of like a frat boy so why wouldn't he be hooting and hollering and making an ass of himself. I don't understand why there are so many doubters here but yes, people that stupid actually exist. If you don't believe that, then you obviously don't get out much.

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116. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Talking too much? Right on.

Note: the "eating ugly stuff" scene where he was basically in control of the table with his "encouragement."

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128. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
If you lived in your parents basement, working as a pizza delivery man, wouldn't you do what you could to get a 42'' TV?
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131. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Good point.

Plus they established that EVERYONE had to eat the horrible stuff and everyone got the TV, or if ONE person refused NOBODY got one so the peer pressure was ostensibly horrendous.

It was all set up to cause him to meet with the ersatz network exec who then asked him to ask the girls to do their thing.

Also to introduce the "fact" that Garman wasn't the first choice host and see what Matt would say when asked by him "Did they talk about me?" Matt, of course, said "No."

Real or in-on-the-gag . . .the plot thickens.

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134. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I still don't get why no one else cheered anyone else on the way Matt did, but it seems MAtt didn't pick up on that..
I also thought Matt tried to dodge the question "did my name come up?", but maybe i missed the answer because they overlapped with his interview with him talking about how he could use what he had learned in law school.
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27. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I think this is legit, they are pulling one incredible pratical joke on this guy. Why do I think that? This is on Spike TV "The first Network for Men".

I think that because this channel is focused at men they know that for the most part men are going to enjoy being in (looking in) on a pratical joke. To generalize about men, the pratical joke is more much appealing than the drama that is squeezed out of the "real" reality shows. Many guys cannot stand the reality tv crap, this gives them a way to make fun of it.

I have really grown tired of the whole reality tv thing, even though I am hooked on P-Ho. I think this show is hilarious.

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32. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
They showed a small clip of next weeks show and I dont think Matt is an actor good enough to cry as hard as they were showing. He could hardly talk. I dont think he has a clue.

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35. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I totally agree with you in regards to all the tears I saw in next weeks episode, he was gasping for breath for goodness sakes. Don't know if I will be able to watch it after next weeks episode but probably will but I do feel sorry for the guy.

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33. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>>>>Reasons I think this are.
>>>>1. Nobody could be so stupid.
why do some people say this? if you were on a reality show, why would you suspect the others of being actors and it all being a big joke? natural human reaction would be- wow, these are some weird people...not, omg, this is all fake and im being set up!

>>>>6. Joe knows Tawnya the pornstars name and he gets to hold her breast. The makers wanted him to hold her breasts so they told him which paper to pick and he acted like it was random and took his time. Thry also told him to let go quick because they pornstar did not want to have to have the contest go on for hours.

they picked the body parts and didnt look at them. ralph took them and told them what they were. all they did was set it up where joe would be on the right boob and no matter which one he picked, ralph would say he picked that one.

>>>>8. He calls the gay guy out in 2 mins this would not happen and he only did it because he was suppose to call him out even before they went into the house.

he just seems like an honest guy who wanted to know

9.He says in the show that he knows he is a great looking guy, this shows that he is playing a role just like everybody else.

>>>actually, he said he wasnt a great looking guy, but he knew he was good looking guy.

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34. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
It's so easy to assume he knows because he's such a dolt but I tend to agree with eric, he doesn't know this is a big joke on him. If I were stupid enough to go on a reality tv show, I'd probably also be stupid enough to ham it up a bit if the producers told me so. For most of these people it's about camera time and for those that dont care about the camera that much, its about making america love them because face it, sooner or later they have to come back to the "real" world. Our simpleton is probably really just a decent guy..albeit incredibly gullible..who thinks that he's making himself look very good on tv.

p.s. They've already made it painfully obvious that they are focusing the entire show on joe so that's why he's talking so much. He's the only one they're really asking any questions of and they purposely keep him in his interviews for a long time so everyone else can get set up.

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41. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Also all of the analyzing he does about their personalities and such is all based on a facade/lie which makes him look even more ridiculous.
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147. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>Also all of the analyzing he
>does about their personalities and
>such is all based on
>a facade/lie which makes him
>look even more ridiculous.

Generally I tend to
a) be amused by you
b) be in agreement with you
HOWEVER- not this time. I don't think he looks more ridiculous for it because JOE DON"T KNOW it's all based on a facade/lie. He's just being honest about what he does know of them (so to speak)

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151. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Thanks. That's a good attitude about Matt not looking more ridiculous. If he's brave enough to read about the show in this forum, it's comments like that - that will bring him out to do an interview or two.

I personally don't think he looks more ridiculous either, I just spotted it as a possibility. I wish the actors kept screwing up so Matt felt the need to catch them in lies more.

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155. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Hey my muse! (true)

Thank you for noticing my good attitude - it's all about choice my pal. Which is why I like our Schmo-he has a good attitude, too even considering what the real schmos (or is it schmucks?) are putting him through.
As for me, it's hard to have a bad attitude when one lives in paradise.

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89. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
"Q: He calls the gay guy out in 2 mins this would not happen and he only did it because he was suppose to call him out even before they went into the house.

A: He just seems like an honest guy who wanted to know."

And there in lies the schmo part of Matt's personality. Is he just socially naive?? If he walked into a bar would he say, hey, you're the black guy, you're the asian girl, you're the lesbian, and you must have HIV?

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"Q: He says in the show that he knows he is a great looking guy, this shows that he is playing a role just like everybody else.

A: Actually, he said he wasnt a great looking guy, but he knew he was good looking guy."

Average looking. He spends too much time with Mom and Dad.

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37. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Joe don't know. Even if he caught one of the others in a lie, his first thought wouldn't be, "Hey these guys are actors."
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39. "Joe knows reality shows."
>Joe don't know. Even if he caught one of the others in a lie, > his first thought wouldn't be, "Hey these guys are actors."


He might even go with 'Hey, these guys are playing the game.' Matt seems to have a fairly strong viewing background in reality shows: he at least knows enough to recognize a parody of Susan's speech from S1. (The actress giving said speech, however...) And as a long-time viewer, first-time scam victim, he might know that there's certain topics where lies are almost expected. The profession of the contestants may be the prime area: you don't talk about your job if you make so much money that the lesser-earning contestants may decide you have no right to win, and you don't reveal anything that people may feel is offensive -- right, S5's Brian 'My other-other car is being custom built so it'll have a miniature softcore studio in the back'?

Some slipups can be explained away with a quick rewrite to the character's backstory: that's no veteran who doesn't know anything about the wars he fought in, that's a draft dodger overcompensating late in life. And imagine Matt's face when he
finds that one out...

Personally, I don't think Matt knows. I do think the producers will have to work hard to keep him distracted, because he just might start to assemble the puzzle if they insist on handing him pieces.

(The script modifications should be written on rice paper with seaweed ink, and prominently marked 'consume after reading'. Come to think of it, script meetings must have been a nightmare to work on the fly. The mansion's only so large, no player/actor is technically allowed to leave the grounds unless they win a trip out, and if Matt decides to look for the actress you're conferencing with and can't find her...)

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42. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
Matt's over-the-top reaction can probably be partially blamed on producers telling him to be really out-there and talkative. Like they would on any normal reality show (honestly, you know there's people in the background telling them to be a little more reactive and such)...which, if is IS into reality shows, would NOT flash any red lights. I doubt it would for anyone -- you're on this show, in front of cameras...having at least absorbed the plethora of reality-ness on tv in the last few years, you wouldn't think twice of someone saying "Okay at the elimination round, don't be afraid to be really out there!"

Besides, this guys seems way too much like your typical ex-frat brat "I like attention" ham to really be perceptive enough to find anything out. They really picked the right kind of guy for this.


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51. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
script meetings must have been a nightmare to work on the fly

Actually, the format makes it fairly easy to have meetings with the actors. As they showed in one episode they simply keep Matt busy doing a "one on one interview" while everyone else has their morning script meeting. If they need to talk to one of the actors in private they simply schedule a "one on one interview" and tell Matt that's where they are. They almost have to have these daily any way to keep up the pretense for Matt.

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52. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
>script meetings must have been a
>nightmare to work on the
>fly

>
>Actually, the format makes it fairly easy to have meetings with
>the actors. As they showed in one episode they simply
>keep Matt busy doing a "one on one interview" while
>everyone else has their morning script meeting. If they need
>to talk to one of the actors in private they
>simply schedule a "one on one interview" and tell Matt
>that's where they are. They almost have to have these
>daily any way to keep up the pretense for Matt.


True, and it works perfectly for any one-on-one conference, or to get Matt isolated for a while. But then you have the Great Underwear Switch Fiasco, actually: they effectively had to change the script in the middle of a scene, and there was no way to let the actors know except to play it through and hope everyone caught on in time. Scheduling a story conference is easy: getting an actor's ear when you desperately need to have a few words Right Now would have been a five-star Freddy Krueger production.

(I can't figure out what actually fascinates me more about the show: the potential lame play-out of an interesting idea, or the logistics that went into getting said idea this far...)


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53. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
"I can't figure out what actually fascinates me more about the show: the potential lame play-out of an interesting idea, or the logistics that went into getting said idea this far..."

They could have done better. They should have secretly guaranteed Matt some take home money so they could have played up the mess ups more or even incorporating some just to see if he catches on and what he makes out of the mess ups.

I think if Matt does suspect something, that's it. He'll just suspect "something", maybe write down what he knows about each player then start to grill them and go off any new info he may find. Matt's guessing that they are actors is possible but highly unlikely.

I wonder how the actors can do this without feeling some kind of crisis of conscience? I wonder if they upped their salaries how much it would take for them to show Matt a little compassion?

If these networks keep treating their participants this way, aren't they biting the very hand that feeds them?

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54. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
>If these networks keep treating their participants this way,
>aren't they biting the very hand that feeds them?

There are millions of hands out there. I believe many are not just willing, but begging to be bitten by TV.

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55. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
I agree that they could've done better. They probably have a laundry list of changes to make 'next time.'

Speaking of that...does anyone think there could, should, or will be another Joe Schmo??

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56. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
I wonder how the actors can do this without feeling some kind of crisis of conscience

I expect that initially the actors and writers jumped at the opportunity to do anything that might make fun of or, better yet, discredit reality TV. Keep in mind many blame the genre for their lack of work (as opposed to their unemployment having anything to do with lack of talent). The thought of getting any size paycheck at it's expense probably thrilled them.

However, it is going to be interesting to see what happens as they get to know Matt as a real person, not just a contestant. You can already see some of them being a little regretful in some of their interviews.

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57. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
interesting. fwiw, in the pre-show publicity articles, the producers did say "we felt really, really bad and many times even considered just tell him, because he was really being tortured" (paraphrasing here, but that's the gist of it).

I agree with Estee's note earlier; the logistics are at least as interesting as the game itself.

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90. "RE: Joe knows reality shows."
"Keep in mind many blame the genre for their lack of work.."

It still amazes me The Hutch has a series. He has funny moments if you appreciate sarcastic humor, but I think he's trying to be too much like the guy on Just Shoot Me. Makes you wonder if LA casting calls are closer to Americal Idol tryouts than we think.

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50. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Joe don't know. I went to high school with Matt. He is anything but a scholar. And definately not an actor. What you see is what he is.
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58. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Burgh,
If you know Joe, do you believe that he was upset when he found out the show was fake?
I find it hard to believe that a guy that would try to help out "The Hutch" (by telling to tone it down) would hold a grudge.
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91. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
He wasn't trying to help Hutch, he was trying to help Molly. Matt has been wanting to oust Hutch from the beginning, but they can't because they need something vulgar for him to react to.
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59. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
The 3rd episode was over the top. No grown man cries like a 2 year old girl when somebody gets voted off. He would have been very happy that he did not get voted off.

In the the talent show matt was suppose to be picked and help kip. He was suppose to hold onto one card and then lie about what it was.

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60. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Hi everyone.Thanks,now you've got me wondering if its real or not LOL.Found this article that raises the subject dont know if it has been posted already.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/ny-p2tube3436846sep02,0,7097495.story?coll=ny-television-headlines

I usually consider myself adept at spotting scams like this but if it is fake I bought into it hook,line and sinker. Ive heard great arguments on both sides but right now Im leaning towards Joe not knowing because if he was an actor I think we would be able to find something that he has done in the field however small a role.For this to be his first acting gig of any kind would be impressive.If he was not an actor but in on it,I dont think he could cry on cue as much as he did.

I enjoy the show,I think this is the first "reality show" Ive watched since the 2nd season of the "real world" and the actress that plays molly is a knockout(sorry if thats off-topic)

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61. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Not that it really matters, but yeah, of course he knows. I can't believe it's even in question. I've never seen worse acting in my life. This "matt" guy is the most unreal person I've ever seen.

And here's the best "proof" I have. If this guy is supposedly so super-nice - as he's portrayed as being so far - why did he suddenly forget what an asshole "hutch" was just because "ashleigh" had a crush on the host guy? The super-nice guy who all along has SEEMED super nice and sensitive not only gets upset with asleigh, he then goes on to scheme with EVERYONE about getting rid of her. It just doesn't ring true.

Nevermind the thigns everyone else already adds.

He has more "emotion" than anyone ever. He responds to almost every single comment with a huge grin on a huge grimace. (no wonder he had to drop out of law school, if that's really what he's like) He's just over-acting to a fault. He's also gone to trouble to confound all their setups, like the "hooker" thing, and at the same time, takes "all the teeniest breadcumbs" they throw and eats it up like mad.

I can't even believe I'm wasting my time WRITING about this stupid show. I just came to this site to see if anyone else in American was smart enough to realize this whole thing is one huge set-up.

Ok, I'm not watching anymore of it.


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62. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20030902schmoside0902fnp6.asp


It quotes an employee at the restaurant,if it was a fake you would think one of them would claim off the record that he never worked there.Did they get the pizza place to lie to reporters?
Possible of course,but likely?

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63. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I just saw the show for the first time this evening. It's hilarious but I have to agree, he's an actor too and in on the whole thing. It's a spoof on the popularity of reality tv shows and how gullible the American audience is.
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64. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I do not think that Joe knows. I think that you are all use to seeing reality show contestants that were purposely picked because they are aggressive, evil, lying, back-stabbing people. For this show, you would want a kind, considerate caring person. We are not use to seeing this type of personality on a reality show; therefore we do not believe it is real.
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65. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I tend to agree that Matt was cast specifically for his personality. He's definitely a Schmoe but it's not to say that being a Schmoe is a bad thing. He's just a nice guy with a kind heart that aint all that bright.

If he knows, then give him the Oscar and I'll continue to watch because the premise is hilarious whether real or contrived.

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66. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Right on Deonna. Plus I don't think he's dumb. He just accepts things at face value. It's sad we all can't too. This world is too jaded.
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67. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Here's another question:

Suppose Joe Schmoe IS an actor. Do the other actors mistakenly think that he's for real?

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69. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Here's my little hypothesis. Joe knows. The cast doesn't know he knows and they are the ones being set up. Did you see them all bawling and concerned? If Joe is an actor, he is Sir Lawrence Olivier compared to those "professional" actors. Of course the flip side is that Matt is really that pathetic. Come on, a pizza delivery guy law school drop out who lives in his parent's basement?

(My bad for posting this outside of the thread before)

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70. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
"....is that Matt is really that pathetic."

Yes, he thinks $100,000 is going to raise his status in life. It wont hurt, but what about his sensibilities and personality?

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71. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
you have several good points, he does entirely too well when compared to their own practiced routines, I'm not ready to buy it though, but I cannot wholly dismiss your points, either.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your first point (see posting "Matt is cool"). Nothing about Matt has been stupid, just regular. I think they carefully selected someone who would be likeable, and only slightly awkward looking.

Perhaps you're right, perhaps they selected someone with a great acting ability himself. Perhaps...but I doubt it.

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72. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
your right he did not try out for the show he was recruited. the recuiter saw him playng basket ball in the gym. i bet they did'nt even have tryouts. i wonder what bs the recruiter told him to want to be on the show.
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73. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Damn, I just registered thinking I knew something new. Yeah, in the end it is going to be turned around on the actors, that in fact "Joe Schmoe" was acting all along. This is just too obvious to overlook. The pain that would be inflicted on this guy, were it to be real, would be unconscionable for the producers to allow, and for the network to air. The only way they don't look like total f(((ers is if it turns out the joke was on the actors the whole time. I mean, at least they were knowing, albeit not entirely, particpators, and they were paid.
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79. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Sorry folks, but the odds of Matt being fake are dwindling fast.

In this arena we've heard from a supposed friend of one of the actors, a high school classmate of Matt, seen articles interviewing the producers, and so on. All say it's real, without even a hint to the contrary. We've heard Matt is pissed and not talking about it. Other than the show itself (and our spinning of it one way or another), there hasn't been a SINGLE clue that Matt is fake. Yes, all of the things I mentioned could be part of the farce, but after a while you have to take the sum of all evidence for what it says...instead of what it doesn't say.

Can anyone point to anything outside of what we see from the show that 'gives Matt away'??? I'm talking real facts, not "Matt is pissed, but that's just cuz he's under contract and is playing along until the final show."

Anyone?

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85. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Fact: brian laughed show3 saying this guy has "picked up every morsel of bread we have given him"...is he incredibly perceptive? no way because there have been SO MANY slip ups....the reason has to be that because when the producers brief him each day they are telling him what morsels of bread will be laid out for him....IT IS AS OBVIOUS AS THE DAY IS LONG
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87. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
That's not a fact from outside the program. I wouldn't be surprised if they're editing it with the purpose of making us question if Joe is real or not. From his perspective, if he buys in to the fact that he's in a reality show, then all of the clues we think obvious are not obvious to him. Even slip ups can be explained in his mind as 'contestants' being nervous, deceptive, etc. There would be no reason for him to think everyone else an actor.

Once he found out what was going on, I would think that somewhere, someone involved with the show, or Matt would leave a clue that it was all fake...but we can't find that can we?

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82. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
This is nothing compared to what Shannon Doherty does on her show. She's like a rabid taz devil.

It's more like Jaime Kennedy, fairly tame so far.

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83. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
This is nothing compared to what Shannon Doherty does on her show. She's like a rabid taz devil.

What show is that?
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92. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I can't recall the name, but I think she acts as producer as well. It's extreme practical jokes that scare the young people on the program, like scaring a couple with a re-enactment of chainsaw massacre or someone's best friend almost falling off a deck that's five stories off the ground. They may have yanked it. I think it was on WB. She thinks people will watch the show because of her appeal.... as if.
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148. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
The name of this silly show to which you refer is Scare Tactics and is still re-running (here in Hawaii anyway).

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152. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Thanks for that. It was driving me crazy. That Doherty is one scarey psycho chick. Her ego absolutely drives me up the wall - can't stand her.
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156. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
You are welcome. The fact that I know that information is scarey in itself.

I can't stand her either and when I see her or hear her on tv (before I can even grab the remote to change channels) this thought runs through my brain: the child ain't right.

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84. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
The only way they don't look like total f(((ers is if it turns out the joke was on the actors the whole time.

What makes you believe that the network isn't, collectively, a bunch of "f'ers"? This is a TV network we are talking about. Think money, ratings, shameless over-promotion. And caring to be sure.

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86. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Turn it around: if you were a TV producer why would you NOT get a real Joe? It makes it more complicated to fake it. It makes a better pitch to have a real Joe. Why hire an actor who might screw up in front of the other actors? Its not like you're worried about damaging someone's psyche: you're a TV producer!
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93. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
It's in the producer's best interest to get an authentic schmo. The producer and his crew have their own careers to worry about, and he seems to be just starting out or it's just low budget.
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94. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
no it would have been in the producers best intrust for everyone to be an actor, this is a 1 joke show it could have been so much better if everyone was fake. but what can you expect from 1 guy who brought you i'm a celb get me out of here, and stone stanely with there celb mole. they could have made joe schmo into a mel brocks instead they are to woryed about fooling someone.
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95. "Road to no where"
Just for the record, we agree to disagree.

That would be too much, expanding it too much, no one would appreciate it, as the best part is waiting to see Matt's reaction at the end. Too many twists that way, and the audience would be let down and a new network is too interested in schmoing, excuse me, schmoozing the audience.

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96. "RE: Road to no where"
if matt was an ass you might be right but most the audience is on matts side except for a few kooks who like seeing people being cruel to a nice guy. i do not see any of the actors have'ing much of a carear after this show. that upn show hutch is on will be lucky if it lasts the whole season. one of the producers last work was i'm a celb get me out of here. it could have been done alot better.
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97. "RE: Road to no where"
"they could have done a lot better"

True, but all of the ideas I have to improve the show would lead to an extremely cruel show. It's the only way to truly completely explore the premise, and then get shot in the head by the FCC on national TV.

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98. "RE: Road to no where"
if it was like reno 911 all actors then it would be a good parady show. the actors are bad enogh to make it funny, but instead of makeing it good we worry about is he real. and how much he will be paid off not to ruin stone stanely.
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99. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Audiences might not know he knows; maybe even the actors, etc. are in the dark -but he knows. But will he admit it...
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100. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I agree 100%. It seems fairly obvious to me that he knows. Main reasons being:

1. No one could be that stupid (and incredibly smart at other times)

2. Over acting

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101. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I agree 100%. It seems fairly obvious to me that he knows. Main reasons being:
1. No one could be that stupid (and incredibly smart at other times)
2. Over acting

So the argument that "Joe Knows" boils down to:
A. He is Master Thespian
B. The producers are geniuses (who conspire with Schmo while playing their own actors for fools, or even better, include the other actors and they are all marvelously double-acting)

So let's apply Occam's Razor to this problem. We arrive at a simpler explanation; Matt is an average guy in a non-average situation. Hilarious hi-jinks ensue.

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102. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
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He doesn't know. Why would he? Yes, it would be funny to have the trick pulled on all the "actors" who are trying to fool Matt, but why would people want to see that? By fooling Matt, there is the whole idea he will react with hurt, upset and anger, and since we live in a rather sadistic society these days, thats what people love to see.
I don't get why people keep saying the poor guy is so stupid. I personally think he is far too nice to realize, or even think that people would think to pull such a thing. He seems like the average nice guy. I think someone said this somewhere up in another post, but yes there are people who are really that nice out there in the world. There are so few of them though, that people just think they are stupid or slow when they are confronted with one of them.
As for his supposed "over acting", he behaves just like most people do on reality shows. $100,000 is at stake for him, with that money he could move out of his parents basement and what not.
As for dropping out of school and delivering pizzas and now living with his parents, school costs a lot of money, these days you need a degree to do almost everything, I know where I live you need a college degree to be a garbage man even. he is probably just at such a low paying job until he can get back on his feet after losing a lot of money from dropping out of school, he was probably in a dorm there or something.

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117. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Interesting:

Someone should check the entries to the "Joe Knows" category and do a percentage breakdown:

Men vs Women

Who thinks he's a really a nice guy?
Who thinks he's pulling one over?

Gender linked cynicsm index?

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103. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."

You'd "over act" too if you were in such a strange situation with cameras on you all day.
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106. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
How can people claim Matt is over acting? They didn't know him before, so they have no baseline as to what he's like everyday. Even then, having the cameras on you all the time would play major games with your head. Some would withdraw and others would ham it up. I guess it just depends on the circumstances and the person you are sodomizing with the camera.
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104. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I called it after the second episode. Knowing there's gots to be a twist, it's perfect for an ending - he knew the whole time and it's really the actors who get played.

I would hope it's something like that, it seems too silly most of the time to think that any regular guy wouldn't start asking questions sooner or later.

I also want to add that if I had Brian waving his package in my face and crawling all over me I would not be able to keep a straight face. He was too good at that game to not have been coached in some way. Plus his NICE GUY act is so fake, at least that's what I thought after he practically cannibalized the chocolate covered stripper.

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105. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
It seems silly to you probably because you're not in that situation. What does he have to ask questions about? Yeah there are some slip ups by the actors, but he probably accounts them to everyone being nervous.
He practically cannibalized the stripper? I guess it seemed like that because he was rubbing his face all over her and all, but he only did that so roughly because he can't stand chocolate, did you see how upset he was that it was chocolate and how much he was gagging?
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107. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Not always so nice. He became down right angry when Dr. Pat was hurt announcing his favorite F word, cinching his eyebrows together, turning his back on the situation and walking away. Not out of concern, out of being inconvenienced.
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108. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I thought it seemed like he was angry at himself, also that he realized she was seriously hurt, and felt so bad about being the cause of it, he didn't want to go near her when the medics and everyone else were trying to get that suit off of her.. he turned his back and walked a bit away, but kept looking back, cursing himself..
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109. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I think he's an actor, but "What do I know... I'm from Pittsburgh! Yu huhh"
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149. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>"practically cannibalized the chocolate covered stripper"??????

Are we watching the same show or different versions of it?
I musta missed something. Anybody concur????


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153. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Concur? About halfway. When Matt lunged for the nippular area, he made this ravenous sound. I wish I could send you a sound bite, I'd demonstrate. It was funny.

I guess what people zero in on as to what to talk about says something about each person. Maybe I should tone down my posts.... nah!

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110. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I don't know.....seems like with Matt's experience with the "ladies"....he would have felt the implants when he squeezed Molly during the honey money contest. Christian virgins who have implants are fairly scarce.

And yet....Matt Gould is listed in classmates.com as going to high school at Mt. Lebanon HS in Pittsburgh from 1990 to 1994. Then again, perhaps someone just thought ahead.

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111. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Christian virgins who wear very revealing swimsuits are scarce.. Especially ones who are camp councilors at a church camp..
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118. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Implants are implants.

I'd think any male over 14 at this point in time would recognize them by sight.

Caught that on the first episode. Surprised nobody has mentioned the inconsistency. "Molly" has probably been supplied with a "cute" answer by the writers:

"I was in a Jeep accident and they had to do some reconstructive stuff."

Or something else consistent with the tone of the show.

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129. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
Normally they don't give implants for reconstructive surgery of an accident... they would stich it up as best as possible, then if she wanted something done she could do it on her own..

And not all males over 14 can tell real from fake.. I know a few guys who I went to high school with that would not have been able to.

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137. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I dare not ask how you came upon their lack of knowledge!

Actually I think most males would be struck by the obviousness of "Molly"s" particular augmentation.

No question that a subtler job might pass muster under any number of situations.

The "Jeep Accident" reference was to suggest how outrageous they'd be in trying to explain them away. I realize that it wouldn't wash as a real excuse.

Remember, this is the "Reality Show that's Not Real." (and awfully silly and credibility-straining at times.)

But, I have actually heard it more than once used by actresses who have had extensive facial work that has greatly altered their appearance.

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140. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
What do you mean "lack of knowledge"?
And yes, Molly is rather obvious, but you had said most guys over the age of 14 know real from fake, I say thats not true because I know guys who can't tell real from fake, who are over the age of 14.

And granted actresses used it when they had extensive facial work done, it still doesn't make it beleivable for breast work done. Facial work yes, it works, for a number of reasons. Burning from a jeep accident, scarring from twisted metal or glass.. scraping along the pavement..

Yes it is the "reality show thats not real", for Matt anyways.. And if they used something that outrageous Matt would probably question it, and possibly find out whats going on.

For us however, its a parody of a relaity show, when they say "reality show thats not real" they are refering to LL, not the Joe Schmo Show..

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143. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
LAST EDITED ON 10-10-03 AT 03:57 PM (EST)

They advertise it as a reality show that's not real, but it is real in the sense that they just re-defined what's real and they have created their own genre, so it is, in fact, a real reality show. In other words, Matt's ignorance is real, the director coaching the actors is real, the improv is a real response to a contrived situation. It's mind blowing to try to explain. This explanation may come off as a complete contradiction if I don't convey it properly. Such as, how can you have real improv? Improv in and of itself is a contrived response, but improv in it's entirely may or may not be a complete lie, you have to sift through the garbage to get to the truth, and you can only get to the truth after you have all the facts, then you have to make sure that the so-called facts as they have been given to you aren't lies as well.

They should have thrown in another unknowing schmo besides Matt to use as a comparison.

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150. "RE: In awe (off topic for a sec)"
Guppin I am once again in awe of your talent to esssssplain things and crack me up in the proccess. That last line there about another schmo for comparison almost made me pee my pants I laughed so hard. I bow to you, great one. I'm not worthy. Mahalo (thank you)
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154. "RE: In awe (off topic for a sec)"
Thanks again. I almost gave myself an infarct splaining that one.

I visited Hawaii once a long, long time ago. It was a nice trip, expensive, but nice. I was only 21 at the time. Oahu (spelling?) was okay, but a bit disappointing. There were timeshare people screaming at me at every turn, seemed to ruin Hawaii. Saw Richard Dawson eating at a restaurant, very low budget restaurant with his daughter (I'm assuming it was his daughter anyway). Then onto Maui -- so, so much nicer. The best part of the trip. There was this woman walking down the beach with a hugh knife in her hand, hopefully fantasizing about getting rid of some timeshare people.

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157. "RE: In awe (off topic for a sec)"
What can I say? You are my muse after all. It's understandable I would praise you on a regular basis.

You must have stayed in Waikiki which is NOT, I repeat NOT, an indication of the rest of the island. That's just where we put the tourists-lol-so we can enjoy life on the rock we live on. Also so they think it's expensive here which is not entirely true. It's all relative. Muai is more like going to the country though and not as industrialized (?) as Oahu (your spelling was perfect) but this island has places like that too. My door is always open (literally as well as figuratively) should you decide to catch one of the cheap flights that seem to be available from the mainland at the moment. For real. That is the "Aloha spirit".

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159. "RE: In awe (off topic for a sec)"
I ran into a Hawaiian traffic cop there as well. I grew up in S Lake Tahoe, and there are no one-way streets there, so when I drove my rental car the wrong way down a one-way street, within seconds here's comes this real bad A$$ cop hunting me down, so I pulled over, said I couldn't see the sign that said it was a one-way, and he actually let me go - a white lady from the mountains.

Thanks for the invite. You should probably stay away from California for a while, since Ahnold's in, all the strange people from LA are going to be visiting.

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162. "RE: In awe (off topic for a sec)"
Yeah in Waikiki (in particular) all the streets are 1 way and if you can remember every other one is a left hand turn (and then the next one is a right hand turn), you'll be okay.

You're welcome on the invite, always do what I can to support people to come here where you would be (as well as I am) called a HOULI (pronounced like howl-y). Means white person.


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163. "RE:REAL or FAKE"
An improvisation is a spontaneous dialogue between any number of players or actors. If the premise and facts of the improvisation are fictional (improv comedy or Jamie Kennedy's pranks, which some view as somedy) than the "improv" is fictional.

Psycologists use a technique called Role Playing in which the participants improvise scenes that are fictional (because they are "acting" them in the shrink's office) but with premises based on facts from the actual participants' lives. Still "fictional" because they are being acted out in a controlled context, even if the actors and "facts" are real.

When some guy gets a ticket and starts engaging the cop in a "I looked at my speedometer and I wasn't going over 35, I KNOW it!" that's a bit of "real" improvisation.

If Matt is an actor then the director's reactions to his actions are "fake." If Matt is actually being fooled then the reactions are "real."

I think it was best said by the German philosopher Werner Heisinger - inventor of the Nobel Prize winning "Uncertainty Principle," who remarked: "Why do you all waste so much valuable time worrying about this crap!"

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164. "RE:REAL or FAKE"
"Why do you all waste so much valuable time worrying about this crap!"

I suppose I was role playing a speculator who likes surreal improv.

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158. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I bet someone other than the actors or producers will tell Joe a few weeks before the show ends to get back at the producers for actually putting a human through this "reality hell."


I just love this show...hehehe

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160. "Reality hell"
Sounds good to me. It's a total abuse of power. I'm sure they don't watch, but I wonder what high-achieving celebrities think about the show?

Now we know the moderators wont bleep hell out of our verbage.

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161. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>I bet someone other than the
>actors or producers will tell
>Joe a few weeks before
>the show ends to get
>back at the producers for
>actually putting a human through
>this "reality hell."
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>I just love this show...hehehe

the filming of the show only lasts 10 days

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112. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I really don't think he knows. He's probably thinking he's surrounded by a bunch of weirdo's (typical reality show). Most people are going to act odd when there is $100,000 at steak. When Earl got the boot, I don't think even the best actor could "act" that upset. I also think I would act nervous when someone is getting voted off...$100,000 could make anyone nervous. He's not dumb, even if it has crossed his mind, he's probably in denial.
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113. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I agree with you. He did act so upset, and in such a way that even the best of actors would be hard pressed to imitate. And people do act very odd with 100,000 is at stake, and they act VERY nervous. And I'm glad you're with the group of people who don't think Matt is dumb.
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120. "RE: "Bad Acting""
A lot of Matt's nervousness during the voting is exaggerated in "post" by bad editing. There is a very hammy "bug eye" reaction they keep cutting to over and over to exaggerate his reaction when they feel they need it.

It's been in almost every "tease" (scenes going into commercials) and promo for the next episode.

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124. "RE: Brian's the Mole"
If the "Conspiracy Theory" gang is right and Matt is pulling one off on the cast, then it's safe to assume that Brian, cast as "best buddy," with whom it has been established to the audience and cast Matt has had one on one meetings, is in on the gag and there to back him up and help advance things.

Notice the interplay when he was right there ready to toss away the dog feces and how the two of them handled it.

He's also the only cast member credited as a writer. Hmmmmmmmm.

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126. "RE: Brian's the Mole"
To me it seemed like he was tossing it away so Matt wouldn't eat it (plus it smelt real..) because Matt was saying "There is no way they'd give me real dog feces"
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125. "RE: Rules of the Game"
The first rule of a "con" or "sting" story is that the audience must be fooled as well as the first designated mark or victim cgaracter in the story.

References:

Look at the Newman/Redford "Sting."

More recently "The Recruit" w. Al Pacino and "Matchstick Men" w. Nicolas Cage.

In fact in "The Recruit" Pacino says "Remember, things are not what they seem."

Apply this rule when you see "Matchstick" and the trick will fall apart in the first half hour.

There's no drama if the only thing that happens is that the chosen victim gats taken, no matter how "clever" the con. The con man or the greedy one always suffers during "the twist."

But that's in fiction.

Reality TV?

Well "TJSS" is advertised as "The Reality Show That's Not Real."

As a good dropout law student / pizza delivery boy might say "I rest my case."

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133. "RE: Rules of the Game"
yeah i have a fealing the viewers will get coned the last ep. we were coned at the end of joe millionare, when we found out the girls knew he was'nt rich. i wonder what the con on us will be?
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135. "RE: Rules of the Game"
but the whole fact it is a parody of a relaity show means we should ignore whats happened in the other ones. So what happened in joe millionare with the girl knowing the guy wasnt rich, shouldn't have that great an influence on what happens in this one. Yes there may be some sort of "twist" where he knows something was up, or knew one of the actors is an actor.. but I don't think it will be as big of a twist as Matt fooling the actors.
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142. "RE: Rules of the Game"
>yeah i have a fealing the
>viewers will get coned the
>last ep. we were coned
>at the end of joe
>millionare, when we found out
>the girls knew he was'nt
>rich. i wonder what the
>con on us will be?
>


Um, which version of Joe Millionaire were you watching?

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144. "RE: Rules of the Game"

>>
>
>
>Um, which version of Joe Millionaire
>were you watching?


the one fox played the women all knew

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145. "RE: Rules of the Game"
but if the women all knew.. doesn't it kind of mess up part of the purpose of the show, to fool the women into thinking he is a millionaire?
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146. "RE: Rules of the Game"
>but if the women all knew..
>doesn't it kind of mess
>up part of the purpose
>of the show, to fool
>the women into thinking he
>is a millionaire?
the show got 20 mill viewers, the viewers thought it was real thats all that matters, and yes wrestling is fake.

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166. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
I just wanted to get this back to page 1 so that folks will stop starting new threads about this topic.

We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.

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167. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
>I just wanted to get this
>back to page 1 so
>that folks will stop starting
>new threads about this topic.
>
>
> >= '1']We really do have
>guidelines here. Believe it
>or not, the Guidelines make
>things more fun. Really.

and there all 1st time posters too

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168. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
i tend to agree with you. Joe Schmo is an actor, that will be the final twist. Legally, I do not think this is feasible to deceive a contestant about the game, the producers can be sued.
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171. "RE: Joe Schmo knows.... 24 hours to go"
congrats for being the first to come out with it... I decided the same a month ago, but I've never been in a forum like this... couldn't find a place to declare my opinion... but I've learned from this forum (couldn't read ALL the messages)... I figured Joe was only trying to fool the audience... but somebody suggested the other actors don't know that Joe is an actor... perfect

I've always wondered about the Dr Pat episode... I never believed she was really injured... that means she must have been in on it too, so maybe one or two of the others as well

and finally... those eyes of his give it away... nobody bugs their eyes out like that again, and again, and again

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172. "RE: Joe Schmo knows.... 24 hours to go"
>>nobody bugs their eyes out like that again, and again, and again

Has nobody heard of editing?

I read this entire thread, and after reading all this Joe-is-an-actor theory, I realize one very important thing. Spike TV is a genius -- they don't even have to trick you, you've all tricked yourselves. And that, my friends, is the greatest scam of all.

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173. "RE: Joe Schmo knows."
ha ha u were wrong
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