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"The brothers and the globetrotter bump"
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11-16-09, 10:52 AM (EST)
 
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"The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
Sour grapes! Looked to me like the bump was totally unintentional. After the hay episode I wasn't too thrilled with them, and after last night that feeling is solidified. Boo, brothers. Boo.
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11-16-09, 11:11 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-16-09 AT 11:13 AM (EST)I acutally thought the opposite of what you did. It seemed like the Globetrotters were the ones with the sour grapes. The trotters were complaining that the one brother threw an elbow, but it looked more like the trotters slipped and hit the brother. Maybe I am reading your post wrong? 
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11-16-09, 01:56 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
As much as I've liked the Globetrotters and found nothing wrong with their actions towards Micah and Canaan, I agree that they were a bit dirty last night (course, mud will do that to you). They knew they weren't racing to beat elimination, that the boardwalk was too narrow for running two abreast and that they couldn't expect their competition to stop and step aside for them to run past. Pushing and shoving was less Meadowlark Lemon, more Charles Barkley, and very unbecoming.
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11-16-09, 03:04 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
I think I'll start using the Globetrotters way of thinking next time a slow moving older person is in my way on the street or in the subway. I'll shove them out of my way and then act like they did something to me.
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11-16-09, 03:37 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
Good then I can blame you for the whole thing.
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11-16-09, 03:36 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
It's usually an E or F for me. I wonder if people would feel differently about the Globetrotters actions if it was Gary & Matt they knocked down?
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11-16-09, 07:20 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
No one has ever had bad word to say about Gary & Matt on the lvoe lists. They've been the favorite team for two weeks now. That's why I used them in my example. Honestly I can't see how anyone watching the show last night could think Sam & Dan did anything wrong.
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11-16-09, 07:56 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
As I said before, I haven't seen it. I don't think they did anything wrong. I just think both teams already had ill-will towards each other and took exactly what they wanted to from this incident to blame the other team of misconduct.
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11-17-09, 08:50 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
Thanks, belle. That is what I've been trying to say. And I still feel that way after having watched it last night.
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11-16-09, 07:44 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Second verse..." |
'Al, what are you doing? Leave me out of this.'
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11-17-09, 09:01 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Looked to me" |
Knowing what was going to happen, I watched it in slow motion. The camera distance was bad and the angles weren't the best, but it looked to me as if one brother's arm flailed out to the side just as Flight Time went down. Not an intentional motion to impede FT, just part of a natural all-out sprint. I think this would account for 1)"Elbows came into play" - perhaps, but not intentional. FT was trying to run past another runner on a three foot slippery bridge. 2)"I don't see how I could have turned and pushed him" - No, but your arms were swinging back and forth. Sometimes when you're focused on what is in front of you, you don't realize what is happening behind you. 3)It wouldn't take much to fall. The footing on the bridge was not the best. FT had already slipped once when no one was around him. It would not take much contact with another force, intentional or not, to start a chain reaction. Don't believe me? Watch a NASCAR race some time. I suggest Talladega.In conclusion, I think the whole thing was an accident. I think built-up feelings and attitudes by both teams played into the reactionary/defensive postures of both teams. If this had happened between, say, Megan/Cheyne? and the poker girls, it probably would have ended at the mat with apologizes and admissions of accidents.
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11-17-09, 03:33 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Looked to me" |
I agree with you.I think some of the hype was built up from the previews and from the captioning of what they were saying - the editing. Having said that, As you said, FT had already slipped and fallen once. Also, it was a narrow walkway. I'm not sure what they thought was going to happen, but heat of the moment, I get it. 
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11-23-09, 08:29 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Looked to me" |
"In conclusion, I think the whole thing was an accident."I almost agree, but I have to ask, what was Flight Time thinking? He knew they'd be third or second, so there was no pressing need to pass the brothers. The bridge was narrow, so there was no way to pass them by without touching them. The footing was usure, so there's little chance contact wouldn't result in people falling. Simply put, he should have held back. No chance to pass without sore feelings. Not that it's that big of a deal, but if anyone has a right to complain, it's the brothers. Flight Time had no business being there in the first place. That he should start complaining about elbows is ridiculous.
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11-24-09, 06:25 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Looked to me" |
"In sports you get run over if you try and block a faster runner"If you stand on the baseline in baseball, you deserve what's coming to you. But Amazing Race is not supposed to be a contact sport. What, were the brothers supposed to step aside and let him pass? They were in front; they had position. The guy behind obviously knew that, and his decision to attempt to pass had to be based on a willingness to instigate contact. That his team would proceed to complain is ridiculous. They were the instigators. "As it was FT appeared to be trying to get past without actually running over the guy." There was no way to avoid contact under the circumstances. No way to pass without contact unless the other team yields, and there's no reason why they'd do so. Unless they didn't want to get hit, but then the Globetrotter would just be a bully. "Move or else I'll run you over." Not noble play, especially when nothing is at stake. "Adding elbowing to blocking would be making a transgression even more egregious." I can't understand for the life of me how blocking is a transgression, since the world is not run by the maxim "to the faster go the spoils". But let's say it is, then why isn't elbowing justifiable? If the globetrotter can instigate contact by deciding to pass on an unpassable bridge, why can't they instigate contact back? It would be the globetrotter's fault, essentially, because he gave them no choice but to be run over or be knocked out of the way. What really happened, I think almost everyone agrees, is that the brother accidentally hit the globetrotter, the globetrotter fell and took the brother with him. So there you have it. The globetrotter's decision to attempt a pass resulted in him bumping into the team in front, and ultimately hurting himself. He should have known, since it was obvious, that the decision to run up to them was a decision to bump into them. Which leads to my question: what was he thinking? Why did he think trying to pass would lead to anything better than what happened? A little contact isn't so bad. I might not like it if I was the brothers, but whatever. One thing is certain, though: the globetrotters, of all people, have absolutely no grounds to complain.
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11-24-09, 11:14 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Looked to me" |
It's really simple. It boiled down to a contest of foot speed, with finishing first and the attendant advantage that that entails. A foot race is a foot race, and if you block, you get put into the wall. It's a really simple concept in that's prevalent in sports. If the contest is of foot speed (which the dash to the mat certainly was), why would it be fair for the slower guy to block the faster guy? Clearly, the win should go to the speedier racer. That's the point of a race. Again, FT was thinking (IMO) that that he was speedier and shouldn't give up on the race without trying to pass. There was a wreck. In sports, wrecks happen they are part of the business. And I'm sure FT knew that that was a possibility, but that he felt (and I agree) that he was justified in trying his luck. Otherwise he'd just be giving up. Not everyone is willing to do that, especially not a pro athlete.
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11-25-09, 02:53 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: Looked to me" |
"It's really simple. It boiled down to a contest of foot speed, with finishing first and the attendant advantage that that entails." The entailed advantage was less than a minute's headstart, right? Not worth the bother. As for it being a contest of foot spped, no, not really, since there was no way to get past them that I can see without knocking them out of the way. So, like a runner sliding into home plate when the catcher is waiting with the ball, it is no longer a matter of speed once the globetrotter approaches the brothers. Forgetting for a second the possibility of sliding around the catcher, it is a contest of brute force. "A foot race is a foot race, and if you block, you get put into the wall. It's a really simple concept in that's prevalent in sports" A foot race is indeed not a foot race. For instance, a race in an open field or on a track is different from a race on a narrow wooden bridge. In the case of the latter, it is no longer about how fast you are; it's about whether you can pass without physical violence. He clearly couldn't, which should have been obvious. Now, I don't know all the Amazing Race rules, so I don' know if bumping and causing to be knocked down is verbotten. But I do know that it's frowned upon, and I do know most of the players I've seen go out of their way to avoid it. Again, it's not a big deal to me. No injuries, no scandal. I just wonder why he bothered to try, unless he wanted to bump the brothers. It could be the pro athlete within him, but he should realize, he's not setting a pick on a Washington General anymore; he's playing a reality game where people generally avoid contact with eachother. "And I'm sure FT knew that that was a possibility, but that he felt (and I agree) that he was justified in trying his luck." I don't. Swallow your pride about your speed. Either you or them or both will end up in the drink, unless you deliberately chuck them over the side. He didn't intend the latter, and obviously hadn't given much thought to the former. There were two possible outcomes: 1) he hurts himself and doesn't pass anyway, or 2) he gets labeled and a-hole for putting his opponents "into the wall" for a measely few second lead.
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11-25-09, 10:09 AM (EST)
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42. "RE: Looked to me" |
It was a contest of foot speed. A foot race. To the faster team went any possible spoils (as yet undetermined). There was a collision when the faster team came up behind the slower team and could not get past. Pretty inevitable.The advantage was possibly finishing first. They were actually going for second and third, but they probably didn't know that. The actual winners weren't anywhere around so both teams may have thought that no one had finished yet. Even if you discount the fact that they are in a contest, competing, and that a foot race is all that separates winner and loser, and that at least one team (Both I think) have natural competitive urges, the prize for finishing first is your reason he (or any of them) would try and pass. The prize at the end of a leg is substantial. You and FT would disagree about the decision to try and pass. You would give up at that point figuring you had already lost and cede the possible first place finish. And FT didn't. Fair enough. From this I surmise that FT is more competitive than you would be. Again, fair enough. But just because he has a more competitive spirit than you, you can't fault him for trying to harder than you would to win. A lot of what you say are reasons that a person might come up with in a debate, using intellectual powers to weigh one position against the other, and you do it well, you have valid points. However, if the decision is to be made in the heat of battle, I think the proactive decision the FT made was reasonable, superior, and even what I would expect of him.
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11-25-09, 11:32 AM (EST)
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43. "RE: Looked to me" |
From this I surmise that FT is more competitive than you would be.I think an equally valid way to express this would be: From this I surmise that FT is more reckless than you would be. Does your logic apply only to foot races? I'm curious to know if the same rationale applies to races in cars. If the teams were on a narrow road, how aggressive /reckless / competitive should a reasonable / sportsman person be? Or, how about if the race is on a scaffolding that involves climbing down from the top? If a competitor is moving slowly, is it fair game to simple try to climb down past / over him? If somebody happened to get knocked off the scaffolding, well, that's just how the Race works...? 
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11-18-09, 01:19 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: The brothers and the globetrotter bump" |
I think it was an accident personally.I think that when your racing to the mat and feeling competative you might take things more seriously than you otherwise would. I think Flighttime took the right approach. Didn't he not say anything? It was Big Easy who said the threatening comment. Flighttime is a big boy and doesn't need Big Easy to stand up for him. I think in this case not getting into it would have been the best approach when you got to the mat. However, I can see how both teams might be annoyed with each other. I can say it didn't make me like either team more.
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