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"Jonathan Vaughters and doping in cycling"
trigirl 2844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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10-01-12, 01:38 PM (EST)
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2. "Kiki's in on it too?" |
...Armstrong and his wife referred to EPO as butter – due to the location in the fridge where it was stored by them....USADA CEO Travis Tygart recently told l’Equipe that when the full details are published, that the details will be “terrible, 30 times greater than everything that has come out until now, through books or investigations." Link I have to say, hopefully there is a really good screenwriter out there doing something on this. This stuff keeps getting better and better! Clear your calendar on October 15th for some fun reading. Also thought this was kinda fun. No Lance though.... Cycling Simpsons
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trigirl 2844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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10-10-12, 11:38 PM (EST)
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4. "Olympics" |
Looks like the early speculation about Hincapie, Leipheimer, Zabriskie and VdV withdrawing from Olympic consideration was correct. It was part of their plea agreement afterall.
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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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10-11-12, 03:15 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Olympics" |
Hincapie's name is significant. Seems to me that Ayak's been saying for some time that if Hincapie testifies against Armstrong it will carry more weight than the others combined.
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Round Robin 2243 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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10-18-12, 01:51 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Nike drops Armstrong." |
I heard one of the ESPN weenies say today that he thinks Armstrong might be getting ready to sing, and will take a lot of people in the cycling business with him if he does. I thought a lot of cyclists had already sung themselves and taken Armstrong down with them, so if he comes out now and sings, who can he take with him?
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Round Robin 2243 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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10-22-12, 10:17 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Nike drops Armstrong." |
Now that he just finally got stripped of his Tour titles, how much you wanna bet he writes a tell all book? I'm sure he'll be looking for some way to make back some of the money he's lost.
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trigirl 2844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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10-22-12, 12:56 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Nike drops Armstrong." |
The current suggested title of his book is "I told you, it wasn't about the bike".
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byoffer 15808 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-18-12, 08:27 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Nike drops Armstrong." |
This is only the second time ever that Nike has formally dropped an athlete. The only other was Michael Vick. Pretty low company that Lance is in!
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trigirl 2844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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10-18-12, 12:44 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Nike drops Armstrong." |
...and Trek, and Giro helmets, and Radioshack, and Anheuser-Busch. Even Honey Stinger is removing him from their marketing and he has ownership in the company. Only hold-out is Oakley.I have read that he WILL NOT ever admit to doping. There are potential purjury charges (hello, Marion Jones) and there are multiple lawsuits. The Sunday Times have already hinted they are going after the one million they had to pay in libel charges after the David Walsh stories (that are now shown to be totally true). Plus SCA Promotions who had to pay Lance a 5 million bonus for his 5th TDF and refused on the basis of doping rumours. They not only had to pay him, they had to pay his legal fees. Ended up costing them 7.5 million. Today I read that even the Australian gov't is considering a lawsuit for fees paid for his appearance at the TDU. Link I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall in the Lance war room. What spinning is going on, do you think?
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trigirl 2844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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10-18-12, 12:52 PM (EST)
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18. "Levi Leipheimer" |
Have always been a fan, but have to say he doesn't sound too sorry. More of the "everyone was doing it stuff"Interview with Levi. Intersting take from Gerard Vroomen (one of the Cervelo founders). Gerard's Blog fyi: The previous "positive" was for ephedrine which was said to be for allergies. Possible, totally. However, I had some ephedrine for a cold once and went out on a training ride. Noticed a huge difference....and I am a middle-aged recreational rider. He totally would have known what he was doing!
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-19-12, 06:30 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Fallout" |
So when Armstrong said he'd take everyone down with him, he meant everyone.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-19-12, 07:44 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Fallout" |
Sure looks that way. Including all of pro cycling.The problem is not that some people talked. The problem is WHO talked -- people who weren't under suspicion at all admitted to having been part of organized doping. None of these people had grudges against Armstrong, unlike Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton. http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444799904578048672603746526.html?mg=reno64-wsj Leipheimer: Having made sacrifices for my dream, several years after I turned pro, I came to see cycling for what it was: a sport where some team managers and doctors coordinated and facilitated the use of banned substances and methods by their riders. A sport where the athletes at the highest level—perhaps without exception—used banned substances. A sport where doping was so accepted that riders from different teams—who were competitors on the road—coordinated their doping to keep up with other riders doing the same thing. When you say that, you've said it all.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-22-12, 02:56 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: Some Great Reading" |
People inside cycling have been asking the cancer-causing question ever since the 2006 TdF.If Armstrong were doing the steroid regimen that Floyd Landis was later found guilty of doing (although he continues to deny that he did it to this day) -- placing a testoterone pack on his scrotum to help recover from his fatigue during the 2006 TdF -- the answer to SI's question is "yes." If Armstrong were doing EPO, which is what he was using during the 1998 Vuelta and the 1999 TdF, or blood doping, which is what he used after that until his first retirement, the answer is "no." But even with all the evidence, we don't know for certain what drug regimen Armstrong was doing in his last days at Motorola, because he probably wasn't with Cofidis long enough before the cancer was detected to have something he did there cause problems. The best answer we have is the testimony of Frankie and Betsy Andreu, and it doesn't sound like what he was doing would have caused the cancer. I'm still wondering about Miguel Indurain's drug regimen. Has anyone seen any discussion of that?
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newsomewayne 9065 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-22-12, 04:20 PM (EST)
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30. "My biggest regret" |
My biggest regret about this whole scandal is that now they will have to digitally alter the ending of Dodgeball.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-14-12, 12:33 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Jonathan Vaughters and doping in cycling" |
In fact, there is. The statute of limitations is 7 years. However, doping uncovered within that 7-year period that extends back to prior periods can be considered at the same time.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-17-12, 05:02 PM (EST)
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36. "Armstrong" |
I'm sure Vaughters, Frankie Andreu, Leipheimer, and scores of other cyclists worked as hard as Armstrong, But that's not enough in any sport. It takes natural ability. As we've learned in other sports, a lot of people with that natural ability are arrogant and, basically, sociopathic.Here's how I would rephrase Jenkins' point: Simply, Lance Armstrong on drugs was better than all of the other top cyclists on drugs. And he was able to dominate for longer than anyone else, ever, on a level playing field. This isn't even like baseball, where there were some clean people at the top levels (such as the pre-Balco Barry Bonds). It simply wasn't possible to be a top-level cyclist and not be using.
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byoffer 15808 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-15-13, 01:27 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: What's the motivation?" |
So you don't think Oprah asked any of the questions suggested by Dan Wetzel?No surprises there. There are a few ways this can go, and understanding Lance's reasons for doing it might help. 1. He wants to fess up to start the healing process. He has to be apologetic and sound sincere. The best he can hope for is some level of sympathy, and hope to start to become forgiven. 2. He admits a bit, but goes on the offensive. Blame the whole sport, and hope that some feel he had no choice. People already hate him - can it get any worse? Could anyone be naive enough to believe whatever vitriol might come from this proven liar? This does nothing to address the way Lance attacked so many people over the years, but he likely doesn't care. #1 is probably a smarter approach, but #2 is probably more Lance.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-15-13, 03:14 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: What's the motivation?" |
I think there were enough softballs pitched to start a beer doping league, yes. Oprah's never impressed me as an interviewer and generally lets the other party dictate the flow when her ratings life isn't at stake.As for your options, I'll go #2 and make it harsher. He may want to see the whole sport burn. (One of the stories I saw claimed he intends to give back some money. To who? How much? And whose money was it originally? Say, anyone check his foundation's accounting lately? But those libel people have to be justifiably drooling.) Of all the possible papers, the Post may have pinned it down best. Their front page was a picture showing one of the yellow charity bracelets -- with one letter removed. The effective headline: LIESTRONG.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-16-13, 02:30 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Question for AyaK" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-16-13 AT 05:01 PM (EST)I think there is little chance for recovery except in the case of Armstrong's suit against the British newspaper. In that case, it all depends upon the terms of settlement, because I believe there was an agreement between the parties that ended the case. In other words, it doesn't just depend upon "equity" -- it depends upon the actual terms. I'm certain that there are people who want to sue, because there isn't any harm in trying out a novel legal theory if the litigation can be prepared on the cheap. I don't expect Frankie Andreu to be a party to any suit, though. As I've said before, I thought Armstrong made the comeback with Astana because he wanted to see what he could do while riding clean, although he wasn't about to admit that he had ever ridden "not clean". We'll see what he says about that. FWIW, and as I've also posted before, I doubt there was a clean rider in the Top 20 of the Tour until after Operation Puerto.
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PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-16-13, 07:23 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: Question for AyaK" |
Yeah I certainly don't think there were any clean riders in the top 20 either, and I'm not so concerned about the fact that Liestrong won all those Tours as the next few riders behind him were all most likely juiced as well. I'm a lot more interested in seeing him get his comeuppance because of the holier than thou attitude he displayed and all the careers & reputations of those around him he left in tatters especially with his bullying and aggressive actions forcing many of them to give up their careers or get discarded like a cheap rag.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-17-13, 01:09 PM (EST)
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55. "IOC takes back bronze medal." |
I'm assuming they showed up at his house. Heavily armed.
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byoffer 15808 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-17-13, 05:10 PM (EST)
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57. "Lance and Oprah" |
So does anyone actually intend to watch? I am curious (about what will and won't be said, and whether or not I get that channel!) but don't really want to pump up their ratings.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-17-13, 05:30 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: Lance and Oprah" |
Dear gawds no. I'll read the transcript afterwards, but if Ms. Manipulative wants my fraction of a ratings point, it'll be cash in advance.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-17-13, 06:07 PM (EST)
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59. "RE: Lance and Oprah" |
I'm with Estee. There are things I'd like to know, but if Lance is going to tell them (which I doubt), they'll be in the papers.
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byoffer 15808 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-18-13, 00:09 AM (EST)
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61. "RE: Lance and Oprah" |
Ha, I forgot all about it until now. Did a (non-steroid) workout instead.
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