LAST EDITED ON 11-20-02 AT 07:22 PM (EST)Bebo,
On 10-8-02 (about episode 4?) I started a similar thread titled, "The Importance of 'The Importance of Being E...est.'"
I was having some fun/wild speculation also.
So you at least have my support (which may not be viewed as a good thing...)
(Edited to add: Jan has not lived up to her "wise elder" role, but that may be MB's editing)
Anyway, here it is copy-n-pasted:
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Posted 10-8-02:
Survivindawg's thread, "Revisiting Tribe's Selections" made me think of this, but it was too tangential to post there.
What if the first episode title has more meaning than initially thought?
What if the "importance of being eldest" is not only the "Thailand culture" significance, but the possibility that Jan or Jake wins, and wins mostly because each was given that position on day one. Each was artificially designated as the tribe's "Wise Elder" on day one, this results in two things:
#1) Each rising up to this role
#2) The tribes viewing each in this way.
Is the title of episode 1 the smoking gun that everyone searches for in episode 1 as a tip-off of the winner?
I already foresee the biggest criticism here, that this is only being proposed because each seems secure at this point and may last far and hence possibily win.
But I wonder if each is "secure" in this stage of the game BECAUSE of #1 and #2 above, otherwise, they would simply view themselves AND be viewed as the "old person" in the tribe, rather than the "wise elder" in the tribe.
Think about the psychological ramifications of #1 and #2 above. If you were chosen as "wise elder", you would rise up to that challenge, and if the "wise elder" chose you to be on his/her tribe you may be more hesitant to vote that person out.
The summary being that Jan and Jake are secure right now BECAUSE they happen to be the eldest which resulted in their promotion to "wise elder", not solely because of who they were that moment prior to the first tribe determinations on episode 1.
Evidence against above:
--Helen annoyed at Jan's behavior in episode 1
--TDT report of Jake not making Jury (but does that mean LL or final two?)
--Only one minor report of weight loss for Jake (meaning I've only seen one mention somewhere so it is probably not validated)
Evidence for above:
--Major weight loss for Jan
--Jan doing crappy in challenges but no discussions of her being booted
--An interview with Jan where she hid some items that were on her mantle (garnered as a final four contestant?)
--Besides Helen, few to zero negative confessionals on Jan or Jake (but my memory is poor)
--Neither are listed as Ghandia's stars (I'm actually not sure how to interpret that)
--Paratrooper has a Gahn as #2 and a Jai as winner (not much meaning here, just the very ironic possibility that the final two is Jake and Jan)
--Several weeks ago, ABT predicted Jan as #2 and Jake as winner in an interview (this would assume that they KNOW the entire boot list, but yet seemingly got episode #2 and epi #3 bootees wrong, I saw somewhere that they put all their yahoo points on Tanya for epi #2, but have not heard what they did for epi #3 - anyway, yeah, BIG reach here, just the crazy possibility that ABT has gotten a hold of an entire boot list but is sorta smart by purposely posting wrong picks on their website, yet in the end will reference the interview where they predicted winner and runner up - which they would have a 50% shot at being correct if knew final two. Yeehaw, I can hear the conspiracy theorists gobbling this up).
Bottom line: I really don't think Jake and Jan are the final two, but I do think Jan may win and that A LOT of the credit for her getting to the merge is because she was LUCKILY placed in the artificial role as "Wise Elder" on day one and that is the importance of "The Importance Of Being Eldest"
Flame or ignore, result is the same, I'll cry.
BI
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