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"Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 05:26 PM (EST)
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"Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
Do you get the feeling Jeff is starting to run out of pointless teases? Here's what he pretty much had for this episode: Immunity is important. ...really? You mean the show isn't introducing a twist where if you win Immunity, you're automatically voted out? Because, you know, that would be Shocking! It would be a Truly Shocking Twist! And isn't that one of Jeff's favorite things? To do something which has Never Happened Before? Get the necklace and an instant free pass to the jury! Imagine the ratings! ...well, yes, it pretty much destroys one of the last foundations of the show and no contestant would ever want to play for Immunity again just in case it happened twice, leading to future seasons where everyone threw everything each time, totally ruining the show forever. But Jeff's been trying to do that for the last few seasons anyway, so what's your point? You know what doesn't happen tonight? Besides anything actually interesting? Tony doesn't win that still-good Immunity, setting up a real chance at a triple play. Because if we had a scenario where he gave away the necklace to one ally, played the hand grenade idol for a second, and then used the landmine on himself, Jeff would have been trumpeting it to the skies since the day after filming ended. So Tony doesn't win Immunity. I'm not betting that, but I like the odds. It's still safe to win it. Promise. For now...
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:05 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
The Ballad of Tony and Spencer.Spencer is miffed at Woo and Kass. He says his only hope is that the other players besides Tony are so stupid. Woo is spilling the beans to Tony about the Kass/Spencer/Woo discussion.
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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:05 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
Kass lies for fun and burns no bridges whatsoever.So many votes coming her way. Meanwhile, the editing admits Spencer exists. Poor Spencer. And Woo cannot play the game. At all. So Tony preps to blindside him. Such quality casting.
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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:13 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
The overhead shot of the mud pit is vaguely phallic.And we all know there's a family member delivering the pizza. Comforts of home. Kass is a living art sculpture? Oh, mobile piece of carp! Least sexy challenge ever? Tony wins. No one bothers counting the results. Because it's Tony. Tony picks Trish to eat something. Kass vows to kill his children.
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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 09:07 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
It's a good thing that Uncle Cliffy wasn't still in the game - he might have overflowed that bucket on the very first try. Ditto for Morgan, perhaps.
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Outsider32 584 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-14-14, 08:26 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
I'm not watching after the IC. Kass might be a goner idk.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:24 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Post RC" |
So, what is your favorite feature about Tony, his ADD or his short-term memory loss?
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:39 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Post RC" |
His shoulder tattoo?
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 09:41 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: Post RC" |
He talked about needing to get Spencer out of the game, about needing to blindside Woo, and then he had it out with Kass about her no-no. In the end he voted to boot Trish.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-15-14, 00:27 AM (EST)
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42. "RE: Post RC" |
Considering all the angles. He's my kind of guy.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:30 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
Kass wants to screw up Tony's game. She will pull in Woo and Spencer, presumably to get rid of Trish. They discuss. But Spencer knows he still needs immunity.
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Outsider32 584 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-14-14, 08:31 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
Idk if it will pay off he could give it to Trish
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:37 PM (EST)
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13. "IC" |
Untangle rope, release key. Get ladder rungs, climb up, same thing again, then do slide puzzle.Tony in the lead. Spencer in second place. Tony having trouble on the puzzle. Spencer wins! Tony says this was his worst case scenario.
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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:44 PM (EST)
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17. "Three stooges." |
Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo...
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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:47 PM (EST)
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19. "Rule #5" |
Swing votes swing. From ballot nooses.
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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:50 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
How can anyone survive as a lawyer with no capability for counter-argument?
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Outsider32 584 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-14-14, 08:52 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
Is she the target?
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Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:55 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
If only.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:55 PM (EST)
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23. "TC" |
Tony calls Spencer a challenge beast.Kass says Trish unleashed on her back at camp. Trish says Kass has fought with everyone. Woo seems to be waffling again, saying Kass and Spencer are the two brains. Tony and Kass argue. Spencer feels like he's in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Woo feels like a foreign exchange student. Tony is now wearing the special idol. Time to vote Spencer votes for Trish Trish votes for Kass Tony plays his regular HII. Trish Kass Trish Trish is out.
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05-14-14, 09:44 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Survivor #28 (Babies Bawl: Bleh...) Episode #12 East Coast Spoiler Thread" |
I sure thought it was dumb for Tony not to protect Trish. I think he would win at FTC against anyone but Spencer. If he'd just stayed with Woo instead of wanting to blindside him, & not worried about a few votes, I think he would be the winner. But I thought I saw Tony vote Trish!???! It will be interesting to see if his strategy works.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 08:57 PM (EST)
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27. "AWESOME!" |
Congrats! kingfish Murphy3126 Round Robin and Georganna
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Georganna 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-15-14, 09:27 AM (EST)
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48. "RE: AWESOME!" |
Thank you ...
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 09:14 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Next time" |
I don't quite get the negativity toward Tony. I think he's one of the best players ever.
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05-14-14, 09:25 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Next time" |
I'm not negative about Tony at all. I find him very entertaining. He's a good player but "one of the best ever" is stretching it. His social game is, at best, adequate, his challenge play is lacking and even his strategy is much too feverish. Don't forget his "Top Five, Baby!" Without a dumba$$ like Kass to give him the numbers, he'd have been toast soon after the merge.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 11:24 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Next time" |
I didn't mean you.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-14-14, 09:45 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Next time" |
He plays hard and manages to annoy the other players. He ain't no Robfodder, that's for sure. Very few people can pull off a totally mean strategy and still be well liked.
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05-14-14, 10:24 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Next time" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-14-14 AT 10:28 PM (EST)Good point about the comparison to Rob Mariano. A lot of people like comparing Tony to Russell, but he has a certain charisma that is a little more Mariano-esque. For me, I think the key difference between the two of them is that Rob was able to keep everyone from not talking to each other because everyone was always on the same page. Even when they would blindside someone from their own alliance (hello, Matt), the whole alliance would know about it. So people never felt the need to compare notes. Whereas Tony is insistent on keeping people out of the loop for his plans (mainly Kass), so all of his further plans get messed up. Tonight's vote really didn't have to be this complicated. Just get out Woo and be done with it. What's Kass going to do at Final 4, get back with Spencer?
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Murphy3126 223 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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05-14-14, 11:44 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Next time" |
I've thought for quite a while that Tony was trying to emulate Boston Rob, but comes off more like Russell. He's somewhere in between, less than either, but with Russell, that's a good thing!
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-15-14, 00:43 AM (EST)
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43. "RE: Next time" |
The "evidence" such as it is in the exit interviews with the players that have gone to the jury.As for the "mean" think back to boot cycle #2 in the premiere this season, why did Garrett get the boot? He tried to exercise so much control in his tribe that 3 of 4 Brains resented that he wouldn't let them play the game. That is exactly what Tony wishes he could do, and he resents it whenever anyone in his alliance does anything outside his wishes. He is power mad, and incapable of hiding it. Now think back to Mariano his fourth time out the gate when he was finally able to employ his Godfather fear-based strategy, which was the absolutely meanest game ever. He exercised total control of his sheep, they had to do exactly what he wanted or they got punished. Early on he booted the players in his tribe who tried to play the game, or who acted outside his control. Come the merge he insisted that the other tribe be treated as pariahs and he got his way. Andrea, the one member of his tribe who wasn't totally under his spell, was totally blocked from getting her game going. And Phillip only lasted as long as he did because he decided early on to play the goat, and really Mariano didn't need to take him to the end in order to win. Because Mariano understood enough of psychology to keep his own distance from his "mean," to be respected and well liked. Tony is a fumbling bum in comparison, and is damn lucky to have a Kass to take to the end.
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-15-14, 10:04 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: Next time" |
I don't know what you mean by the "surface game". The game is the game. And why is subtlety required to make one a good player? I hardly think Boston Rob was subtle.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-16-14, 10:29 AM (EST)
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50. "RE: Next time" |
I simply mean that Tony plays the game like it is scored, like there is an objective, as if there is a board and the idea is that whoever exercises the most amount of power and control on that board merits the win. Survivor doesn't really work that way most of the time, he cannot simply walk into FTC and present his scorecard and say "crown me."Rob's Godfather game in RI was fear-based and tremendously mean, but he understood that those things could lose him the game in the end so he did things to mitigate the situation in-game. He kept his minions happy, he didn't boss people around as much as he could have, he didn't walk around like he ruled the island, he kept as much distance as possible between himself and being perceived as mean and cruel. He made no threats. He was fortunate to have Phillip in camp to take a lot of the heat, even though that made extra damage control work for Rob himself. He didn't even need to take Phillip to the end to win the game, his two surviving minions at the end were simply being rewarded for having done the most to help his game. Almost anyone else trying to play the game of Survivor on the basis of Rob's Godfather game is bound to mess it up, it takes a particular skill-set that Mariano understood. Phillip didn't understand it when he tried to follow his own Bostonrob Rulebook, Tony doesn't understand it either.
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Georganna 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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05-16-14, 08:10 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Next time" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-16-14 AT 09:21 PM (EST) Almost anyone else trying to play the game of Survivor on the basis of Rob's Godfather game is bound to mess it up, it takes a particular skill-set that Mariano understood. Phillip didn't understand it when he tried to follow his own Bostonrob Rulebook, Tony doesn't understand it either.
Amen!
I would add: Skill-sets derived from native personality traits are always more effective than those imported for the occasion from abroad. In other words, it is not only that Phillip and Tony don't understand Rob Mariano's approach to the Game on an intellectual level. Or even that Rob Mariano does. If he does. It is, more basically, that Rob is intrinsically comfortable and naturally proficient with those innate social skills. And Phillip and Tony are not. Nor should they be expected to be. Nor should they try to be. For instance: Generally, Capricorn (Rob) are much more adept at compartmentalization and much more goal-driven than are Sagittarius (Tony). Sagittarius, on the other hand, have a much more developed (and, in Survivor, a much more cumbersome) sense of sportsmanship. So, having done the same nefarious in-game deed, Tony will appear to others to be much more guilty of wrongdoing than will Rob. Because Tony will feel much more guilty of wrongdoing than will Rob. And this, I thought, was so on point: I simply mean that Tony plays the game like it is scored, like there is an objective, as if there is a board and the idea is that whoever exercises the most amount of power and control on that board merits the win. Survivor doesn't really work that way most of the time, he cannot simply walk into FTC and present his scorecard and say "crown me." Because Tony, I think, does see Survivor as a Game. With a scorecard. And he has outwitted, outplayed (and may well outlast) every other player in it, save the one sitting beside him. While Rob sees it as a Project. With expendable corporate staff invested in its (his) success, a completion date and a looming vote of confidence. Both, though, approach the experience with an infectious enthusiasm for the process. And I love that. ... For quite some time, each new Season has brought with it a version of Jeff Probst's' mantra that Survivor is an environment that very quickly and - most critically to the success of the franchise - entertainingly exposes its players' native personalities and behaviors: that it is virtually impossible for them to conceal or escape 'self ' in the venue. "We are who we are, he has come to realize" - Alex Strachan (Vancouver Sun in March of 2009) Jeff Probst: “You can try to (suppress) that, but eventually your true nature will win out — especially when you’re deprived of food and energy and you’re out in the open, trying to figure out a way to get along with people you don’t know if you can trust. We all have our set reactions, and that’s hard to (suppress). If I’m a born leader, it’s hard for me to take a back seat. If I’m a follower by nature, it’s hard for me to lead"
... Tony: Survivor Contestant You Are Most Like – “Russell Hantz, because I can be just as devious. Boston Rob, because I can be just as slick.” ... Note: Capricorn is the Sun Sign most frequently cast. As a percentage of their total number, its natives reach the Final Four more frequently than do the natives of any other Sign. And Capricorn have won more Seasons (5) than has any other Sign. The Capricorn Sole Survivors are: Tina Wesson Tom Westman Rob Mariano John Cochran and Denise Shapley
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