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09-11-05, 08:07 PM (EST)
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5. "A rare event."
I'm going to be serious.

I've been speaking for Ivette since the game started, and that means I've kept an extra-close eye on her, for both the show and the live feeds. I'd like to think that's given me a pretty good feel for the way she thinks. I'm not claiming to read her mind or know exactly how she operates: I just try to draw into very temporary sync with the percieved mindset. With those qualifers in place:

I think Ivette is salvagable.

Yes, she's been something much less than a model citizen, to the point where we've been asking just how many communities can disown a single person at the same time: Miami, the tight Cuban groups within the city, lesbians, the Latin world as a whole... We have seen nasty, shallow, and racist behavior from her. But -- Ivette, and Ivette alone within the Fiendship, is asking questions. Ivette's the one Maggie's having trouble keeping under control. Ivette is questioning what she's done in the house, the assumptions she's made about people, how she's treated the other hamsters -- the works. She's starting to see she was seriously misled on Janelle, and I don't think the second-guessing on Kaysar is going to be far behind.

Ivette might be in the best position to recognize what had happened to her inside its walls -- once she gets out. She has an anchor in her girlfriend -- who, as noted on the spoiler threads, is sane. Ivette has the luxury of a person whom she trusts utterly, one who's been seeing things more the way we've been seeing them -- that Janelle isn't a bad human being, that Maggie is a cult leader, and that April is, for lack of a better term, still bustoing with the worst of them. Someone who will yell at her. A lot. Ivette, as a major BB fan, knows what the editing can do -- but she also knows about the live feeds to some degree, and her girlfriend is going to fill her in on everything else. Call it deprogramming if you want to. The term fits.

If she keeps questioning the Fiendship's value systems and loyalties inside the house, and then gets a serious dose of non-filmed reality once outside it... then I think there's a chance for her to wake up and become a gentler, accepting, deeper human being. Not a great chance, but a measurable one. Enough to hang a little hope on, at least.

Ivette can still be saved.

Maggie is beyond hope.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 I really am friends with Ivette   bacon     09-11-05       
   RE: I really am friends with Ivette   Estee     09-11-05     1  
     RE: I really am friends with Ivette   Reality432423     09-11-05     2  
         A rare event.   Estee     09-11-05     5  
             RE: A rare event.   Reality432423     09-11-05     6  
             RE: A rare event.   lydia     09-16-05     24  
         RE: I really am friends with Ivette   goldie1000     09-11-05     7  
             RE: I really am friends with Ivette   Reality432423     09-13-05     15  
                 RE: response to reality 432423   goldie1000     09-16-05     23  
                     RE: response to reality 432423   bacon     09-16-05     27  
                         RE: Dear Fried Bacon   goldie1000     09-16-05     30  
                         RE: response to reality 432423   goldie1000     09-16-05     31  
   RE: I really am friends with Ivette   foonermints     09-11-05     3  
   RE: I really am friends with Ivette   Lasann     09-11-05     4  
     RE: I really am friends with Ivette   goldie1000     09-11-05     8  
   RE: I really am friends with Ivette   Bebo     09-11-05     9  
   Bacon is fibbing......   kingfish     09-12-05     10  
     RE: Bacon is fibbing......   nailbone     09-12-05     11  
         RE: Bacon is fibbing......   okaychatt     09-12-05     12  
             RE: Bacon is fibbing......   Tahj     09-12-05     14  
         RE: Bacon is fibbing......   bystander     09-12-05     13  
             RE: Bacon is fibbing......   kingfish     09-13-05     16  
   RE: I really am friends with Ivette   gmsje     09-16-05     17  
   RE: I really am friends with Ivette   AshLanie     09-16-05     18  
     RE: I really am friends with Ivette   mrc     09-16-05     19  
     RE: I really am friends with Ivette   okaychatt     09-16-05     20  
         RE: I really am friends with Ivette   mrc     09-16-05     21  
         RE: I really am friends with Ivette   Hoobie     09-16-05     22  
             RE: I really am friends with Ivette   lydia     09-16-05     25  
                 RE: I really am friends with Ivette   foonermints     09-16-05     26  
                     RE: I really am friends with Ivette   bacon     09-16-05     28  
                         RE: I really am friends with Ivette   okaychatt     09-17-05     32  
         RE: I really am friends with Ivette   flipxcyd     09-16-05     29  
             RE: I really am friends with Ivette   okaychatt     09-17-05     33  
             RE: I really am friends with Ivette   Rebel Crown     09-17-05     34  

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