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"Episode 10 - "Rice Wars""
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04-14-11, 05:28 PM (EST)
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"Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Episode Title: "Rice Wars"Press Release: A CONTAMINATED CONTAINER OF RICE SPAWNS A CONTROVERSY THAT ESCALATES FAR BEYOND THE MATTER AT HAND, ON "SURVIVOR: REDEMPTION ISLAND," WEDNESDAY, APRIL 20 "Rice Wars" - When one alliance's food supply is contaminated, a heated argument at camp sparks an explosive tribal council. Meanwhile on Redemption Island, the three remaining castaways compete to stay in the game and avoid becoming the first member of the jury, on SURVIVOR: REDEMPTION ISLAND, Wednesday, April 20 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-14-11, 09:50 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
I completely see your point, VG, an excellent point.As a counter-point, The Amazing Race works on exactly that principle of racing. Teams who manage to arrive before the last team, stay in, and the team bringing up the rear is eliminated. This continues until the last leg of F3, when they flip it around and the first place team is all that matters. In the old days on TAR, there wasn't even a prize for first on the mat, and all the teams bunched up on the next leg, so first or second didn't matter so much. Of course they could always be evil and give the first person to complete the challenge some food (if it were not endurance). My main feeling that it should be a 9-person jury comes from my sense that all the remaining players should be in the game to the end. They are all solidly developed characters. If Julie and Steve had been bounced last night, I could see them being done, but it's hard for me to think that only one of Matt, David, Mike has any story left.
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tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-14-11, 05:53 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
When one alliance's food supply is contaminated, a heated argument at camp sparks an explosive tribal council.Definitely sounds like the rant Phillip goes on with Steve as the receiver. Tribes are further divided as one's rice supply becomes tainted and the other tribe won't share. the three remaining castaways compete to stay in the game and avoid becoming the first member of the jury Wow. Okay. Is the jury worse than going home? Sounds to me like only one of them is "losing"... and the jury starts at 9? Somehow 2 people are gonna have miss out. I'm a bit cunfuzzlt.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-14-11, 07:50 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-14-11 AT 07:55 PM (EST)Here's a thought for discussion: The call sheets tell us that on Day 35 there are 5 Murlonia in camp, and 4 jurors coming to TC. What it doesn't tell us is how many people are on RI. The assumption has been one on RI (waiting for the voted off from Day 35 TC) because the CS said "duel." Looking at TDT's calendar, it appears to me that if only ONE person goes to the jury for each duel from Ep 10 on, assuming one duel per episode, there will indeed be 4 jurors on Day 35 (Duels from Ep 10, 11, 12, 13). Day 35 is the last day of the 13th Episode. "Duels" in Eps 10, 11, 12, 13 that had one bootee per duel could result in 4 jurors, with 5 people remaining in the game going into TC, plus 3 people on RI (having lost one on the first day of the cycle). 4 of the current 9 in camp will get voted off between now and Day 35 -- either Ep 11 or 12 needs to be a double tribal again. Therefore, RI would actually have FOUR people on it for the Day 33 duel in Ep 13 if I count correctly. One loser booted to become the fourth juror at the Ep 13 TC. I'm not too sure how they fit in a duel for the double boot episode. They might not. In that case they would need to lose two to the jury in Ep 13. (Or Ep 12, if Ep 11 is the double TC.) After the TC on Day 35, there would be 4 in the game, 4 jurors, plus 4 people on RI. Say the RI "duel" for Ep 14 (to be shot Day 36 per CS) sends one person back in the game, there will be 5 in the game again. 4 are already jurors. That leaves 3 losers of the RI duel, who will all become jurors, unless there is one more duel. This seems unlikely with three days remaining, all fitting into the Finale. It appears we could have a jury of 9 and a F3, and where we went astray in the count is by assuming that a duel involves two people? We now know it can involve at least three. There is nothing that strange about only booting one from a multi-player contest, as essentially that is how Survivor works -- boot one at a time. However, Survivor challenges are traditionally designed to have a winner, not a loser, but it can be done. The challenge only needs to have a goal at the end, similar to the heats in the F!! challenge, and those who complete it first stay in the game, while the last one is eliminated. Then for the last challenge, with four competitors and one winner, it would most likely be an endurance challenge or some other kind of challenge where you fall out of it and you are done.
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Georjanna 1316 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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04-15-11, 00:20 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-15-11 AT 02:31 AM (EST)OFG, I construct charts because it is very hard for me to process numerical data without working through it ... graphically. I literally had to use hash marks to finally get the numbers right in my examples. So, I did that with your numbers and they, of course, do work. And, if you like, I can plug those numbers into the forms for the charts that I did earlier and post them. I have a CAT Scan at the ungodly hour of 8:30 AM in the morning, so I'll be up all night anyway. If I go to sleep, I'll never make it. But the frog stays. I'm fond of him and I can't abide unoccupied space ... I do hope, though, that they don't do it as you've suggested that they might. Because in that 9 Juror/3 Finalists scenario, it seems to me that Redemption Island becomes simply an adjunct tribe/campsite. In fact, if I'm doing the math correctly, at the conclusion of the Episode 13 Tribal Council (#15), the numbers are 4 Murlonio, 4 Jurors and 4 Redemption Islanders. And, for me at least, so will go whatever mystique that the imaginative set and the perception of exotic isolation have managed to engender.
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04-15-11, 01:33 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
>No comments on it? OFG, nice work you put into working the F9 Jury scenario. I didn't comment on it because any scenario is really workable, as long as the RI angle can be manipulated at will. At this point, without any additional information, it is all speculative. But, as you showed, the F9 Jury is feasible, even if the timing of events is slightly different. I have to side with Georjanna, though, in that this scenario gives much too much importance to RI over the actual game, favoring the voted off over those playing the game unscathed from the start. In addition, and this is not a small point, it strikes me as odd that under these conditions, someone who not only got voted off twice, could potentially not win the #notaduels, yet still end up winning the game. When Russell argued at the Samoa finale that the rules needed to be changed, Probst argued that it wouldn't be Survivor anymore. Three seasons later, here we are. Or are we?
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-15-11, 01:50 AM (EST)
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30. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
True, but the person can only win the game if the other players believe he or she deserves to win. If they don't think that surviving at RI is worthy of the million, they will vote for one of the two finalists that never went to RI.If 2 of the 3 Finalists turn out to be coattail riders, then the jury has a way to say "hell no, you didn't play." Of course, if the returnee can't win immunity at both F5 and F4 or make some very strong game moves, very likely he/she is going to get bounced. That is one reason why I nixed Georjanna's idea that the last returnee is automatically F3. No, that person has to prove that he/she can survive within the game to get to the finals. In support of this idea, I can see how producers would have foreseen that the first returnee could get bounced like Matt. This ensures that the returnee is on the jury, no matter what. That means consequences, and Survivor likes consequences for actions. It also means that the dominant alliance, if it chooses to pagong, risks having the minority tribe make up more than 50% of the jury. I think that is more interesting than when the one tribe dominates both the Finalists and the Jury. I totally agree that in this scenario, RI starts to over-shadow the game. Although, because of the segment length, it won't really, not unless they show a lot more of life at RI. (Get ready for RI clips like the Ponderosa clips.) Jeff said in his blog this week: I don’t think we’ve even touched what RI will bring to this game. For those of you on the fence, give it a chance. Let’s see where it goes. It's been dull with the simple duels. I think more personnel would enliven the arena.
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04-15-11, 07:31 AM (EST)
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32. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Great job Georgianna and OFG! So, there is going to be a jury of 9 along with the F3. I propose that the next double boot will be ep 11 or 12, which sends 2 more to RI, where immediately, at the start of the next episode, they will run the duel and get rid of at least 2. I can see them leaving 2 on RI, rather than one. That is one reason why I nixed Georjanna's idea that the last returnee is automatically F3. No, that person has to prove that he/she can survive within the game to get to the finals. I cannot see them returning the RI returnee at the F3, (F4 total still in the game). They would be returned prior to the last IC, if they win they are automatically saved and in the finals....doesn't seem like enough time. We know from the call sheets that on day 35, TC#15 occurs and they are down to F4 in the original Murolonio tribe. The next day, day 36, they have a duel named, "A Leg Up". I propose that the winner of this duel be returned to the game, making a new F5. The person has a choice of who to vote with, also, a HII still can be played here. Would make for drama. We could see both sides agree to vote out the returnee, OR, we could see them vie for the returnee's vote. ...just my 2 cents...
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04-15-11, 09:21 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
So in order to get my brain to wrap around this, I had to write it out. I think your plan makes sense, but I can't say I like it very much! Like others have said - too many people on RI. I would think they'd send two losers of the next RI duel to the jury, but the clue doesn't sound like that. Perhaps one of the upcoming episodes they send multiple duelers to the jury? Maybe in the episode before the double boot in preparation for that? Then they wouldn't go over three at RI at any one time, which to me makes more sense and seems less like they're messing with the game too much.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-14-11, 08:50 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Problem with a F9 shake-up here is that if only two Ome's flip, they are a minority in a 5 person alliance. If only we could see 4 Ome's flip on Rob, that would be awesome. Unfortunately, Phillip and Natalie look pretty comfy, and Phillip does not like the Zaps it would seem. He reminds me of a kid in high school who was never allowed to sit with the Kool Kids, and they pretend to let him in, and then he treats the other outsiders even worse than the Kool Kids because he has more insecurity than they do. F8 is an odd time for a shake-up due to the even numbers, but if Grant, Andrea, and Ashley did go against Rob with two Zaps, they could totally do it, and they would still have a 5-person alliance against two, because what are Natalie and Phillip going to do about it? Rob should turn on Grant pretty soon. Sending Grant to RI is going to be a risky move in any case, and he can't count on beating Grant at F4 or F5.
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vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-14-11, 09:54 PM (EST)
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18. "I think CBS has the math wrong..." |
There are currently 12 players left in the game: Ome6, Zap3, RI3.If we're going Jury of 7, F3, then we need to get rid of two more to get to the guaranteed to be at the FTC stage... and this duel upcoming can do that if there is one winner and the other two get burned buffs... If, however, it's Jury of 9, F3... then whoever loses the duel heads to the Jury Box immediately... Jury of 9/F2 then we need to eliminate someone before we worry about Jury... and if it's Jury of 7/F2, then we gotta get rid of 3 until Jury worries...
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-14-11, 10:06 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: I think CBS has the math wrong..." |
My post #6 works out how the 9/3 works with both the new clue and the call sheets.I thought about a F2, but there isn't time. Take a look at TDT's calendar, which is integrated with the Call Sheets. Day 35, Ep 13 F5 IC & TC. Day 36, final duel. 1 comes back, 5 left. Day 37, F5 IC Day 38, F4 IC Day 39, F3 Final TC If it were a F2, there would be another day needed for the F3 IC.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-15-11, 03:47 AM (EST)
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31. "No idol" |
From Jeff's tweets:This is what happens when you have nothing left to do but mess with the other tribe. There is NO hidden idol. I wish we had known, but nice of him to let us know. I guess Rob has the only one now. Another tweet: NEXT WEEK - one of the most explosive TC's ever. Ever. As spec'd, the water cool talk will be about some fight or revelation, some interpersonal dynamics, perhaps best not to expect strategy. If they were going to get strategic, I think he'd be so proud he would say so. Wow, EVER, EVER. This could even top Judd's disgruntled exit.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-15-11, 07:25 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-15-11 AT 07:26 PM (EST)CBS has a new poll going on its Survivor Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Survivor?sk=wall Survivor asked Who do you think will be the first Jury member? David Matt Mike For this poll to have meaning, there has to either: one winner who COULD become the first member of a 7-person jury in a later episode. OR one loser who becomes the first member of a 9-person jury. Because the winner could keep winning on RI, the poll pretty much has to refer to picking the loser of the duel -- one loser, 9 person jury. JMHO
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-16-11, 11:41 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/Survivor-Redemption-2011/episode-10-season-22/rice-wars/308864TV GUIDE Survivor: Redemption Island Episode: "Rice Wars" Season 22, Episode 10 Episode Synopsis: One alliance's supply of rice becomes contaminated, which leads to a heated argument. Meanwhile, Matt, Mike and David duel on Redemption Island, with the loser becoming the first member of the jury. How will that work with this challenge, if this riddle is accurate? Two highest at end of time period are safe? First two to ten feet are safe, if not to ten feet than the best heights when time runs out?
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-17-11, 00:46 AM (EST)
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38. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
They only have so many cards, possibly first to have all cards in house (per construction instructions) and have structure standing for a matter of so many seconds finishes first, second to do so finishes second. What would concern me here is first to finish could knock over his structure and interfere with one of the other two, or it could fall over accidentally.
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-17-11, 01:41 AM (EST)
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39. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Well, we know what the prior rules were. I should have said.Build a structure ten feet high. Time for the challenge is set. If no one gets to ten feet, the highest structure when the time elapses wins. Using all your tiles is not rewarded. One of the pitfalls is using too many cards to make a good foundation base, not leaving enough to get the height. They've run it twice with the same rules, so I doubt it'll deviate. I was wondering how they would run it with two winners. Kona at MESS thinks the TV Guide clue is just an interpretation of the Press Release, and doesn't buy into the first juror idea. He could be right. I know the clues can be crappy.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-17-11, 02:40 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Unfortunately, I have to leave vote threads open to all these different interpretations, sigh. The basic challenge is the same even if they alter the rules governing it a bit.
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04-18-11, 01:25 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Slightly different version of text from the 'Next Time on Survivor' video teaser caption text at CBS site....----------------------- An alliance's rationing of food causes animosity amongst the tribe ------------------------- Comment: So one alliance rations the food. '...amongst the tribe' seems to imply that the alliance doing the rationing has appropriated the other tribe's food to mete out. I know it's parsing of the words which can lead to over analysis, but fwiw the teaser states 'tribe' instead of 'alliance'. If it were just one alliance that was being rationed, then only that alliance would have animosity...it would seem. Just throwing it out there, not sure it will help any. And of course the teaser phrasing might have just been casually framed and doesn't imply anything at all. <eyeroll>
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04-18-11, 03:15 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Thanks for the update BF:Yes, it sounds like the contamination of one alliances rice mentioned in the original text, leads to the other alliance having control of the "tribes" food supply. From the big smile on Rob's face in the camp shots, it appears the Zaps are those who lose their rice and the Ometepe tribe takes control of the "tribes" food, because all the edible rice is now what was left of the Ometepe's supply. Rob probably has no choice but to share and doles out a small ration to the Zaps, while perhaps keeping a disproportionate amount for the Ometepe? This would definately create animosity from the Zaps, and Phillip decides to take it personally instead of recognizing that you don't take food from a hungry dog... Krautboy
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-18-11, 04:44 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
If I were Ralph or Steve or Julie I would haul all the fishing supplies to Tribal.
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CTgirl 8013 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-18-11, 04:45 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
The Ometepes aren't planning for the fact that there could be a Zapatera or Matt in the F3. This is not good jury management!
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Round Robin 2914 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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04-19-11, 06:38 AM (EST)
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47. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Yeah, and if a Zap or Matt win the game because of poor jury management, I bet RussHell will be laughing his @$$ off.
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04-19-11, 10:21 AM (EST)
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49. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Yeah, I don't see how they can plan for that, really - they just need to continue doing what's been working (and what "worked" for Rob in AllStars), stick with your core alliance until the end. You can't fault someone for being too loyal.
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Flowerpower 7262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-19-11, 11:28 AM (EST)
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50. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-19-11 AT 11:31 AM (EST)From the big smile on Rob's face in the camp shots, it appears the Zaps are those who lose their rice and the Ometepe tribe takes control of the "tribes" food, because all the edible rice is now what was left of the Ometepe's supply. Rob probably has no choice but to share and doles out a small ration to the Zaps... Foreshadowing that we will see lots of mama birdies and a nest full of open-mouthed chics this episode.... ETA: Also, we have shots of papa Robfadda and Grant cooking over the fire, when Phillip rises and starts playing the race issue...as that's when Grant notes it to Rob. So, the Zapatera's rice is most likely spoiled and they are now dependent on Rob to ration the Ome's share, Phillip is pissed about it...
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04-20-11, 01:19 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
FWIW, it's Ometepe's rice that has gone bad. video sneak peek
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-20-11, 01:36 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-20-11 AT 01:42 PM (EST)Wow! Phillip totally pulls the race card out of his ass when it's just about dirty rice! So, Rob insists on segregation in the Murlonio tribe, Ometepe stuff and Zapatera stuff, but when Ometepe mismanages their rice suddenly the things change. Steve and Julie refuse to budge, make a decision, without Ralph. Good for them, amp up the pressure on Ometepe. ETA: Day 26. Duel on day 25. IC and TC on day 27. Long time to stew.
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04-20-11, 03:01 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
>Vid ends with >Tune in tonight to see the >conclusion and the explosive Tribal >Council (emphasis mine on "and") P.S. And don't forget that Jeff tweeted after last week's show: "NEXT WEEK - one of the most explosive TC's ever. Ever." So could this TC be worse than the Ben and Jaison incident? Should be interesting. Rob better distance himself from Phillip quickly. Ashley's reaction in particular says to me that she is going to have trouble condoning this behavior. Interesting that Natalie and Ralph are the only ones not shown in this clip...where are they? Not sure of the timing of this clip, but could they be on reward together??? Smart play on Ralph's part if he wins IC and takes Grant or one of the Ome girls.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-20-11, 03:56 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
This is on a day off according to TDT's calendar, IC the next day. Ralph could be down checking the nets. But, yeah, where is Natalie? Even if she is Daddy Rob's favorite she shouldn't be without a buddy. Did she sneak away for a no-no?
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Brownroach 15341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-20-11, 03:24 PM (EST)
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59. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Am I missing something? Why can't Ometepe put their salvaged rice back into the container they dumped it out from?
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-20-11, 04:00 PM (EST)
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62. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Well, maggots don't just come from nowhere, maybe they think the container has been converted into an evil maggot farm or something. Really, though, they ought store the "cleaned" rice separate from the uncontaminated rice in the other container unless there is absolutely no other choice.
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Blind Freddy 444 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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04-20-11, 04:02 PM (EST)
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63. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-20-11 AT 04:04 PM (EST)My guess is that flies got in their can thru a loosely sealed lid(the container is a metal milk can). Maggots birthe from eggs laid by flies as was proven by Francesco Redi in 1668. So the Ometepe's were just careless with their food supply and didn't seal their container top well enough. All that said, all they would have to do is wash out the container, let it dry and replace the rice into it. That procedure would require some dry weather and a day or two to be sure so mold wouldn't grow in place of maggots. But using even average common sense it would seem to be less risky to do that over combining hopefully cleaned rice in with proven cleaned rice. If the Omes poorly cleaned their rice, they would just contaminate the good rice and it'll be maggots all around for everyone. Mmmmm good times. Question aside...Where's Waldo Ralph anyway? And Natalie was not seen around in the Rice Wars melodrama either.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-20-11, 06:30 PM (EST)
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69. "RE: Episode 10 - "Rice Wars"" |
Too lazy to get up and help out even when the food supply is at risk? But Phillip gets mad at Zapatera? In-sane.
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