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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-20-10, 07:05 PM (EST) "Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" It just occurred to me that those of you who didn't follow the missyae spoilers would not know about the Jane-Sash controversy. In that case, you don't really have the full picture on why Sash got zero votes and how possibly his whole edit was tainted by Jane's accusation. As summarized by Andy Dehnart of Reality Blurred: http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_nicaragua/2010_Dec_19_jane_sash_incident Excerpt -- do read the whole column, which includes discussion of Rules: "In an exit interview, Jane Bright told Fancast’s Gordon Holmes that she voted for Sash “because of an incident that happened that night prior to Tribal Council.” Asked about it, Jane says, “I can’t talk about it. But I was saying you guys are making a big mistake. I’m writing his name down even though I know he has an idol. Cause he is a big rattlesnake. And if y’all don’t know it, you know it now. I’m not wasting my vote on Holly.” Survivor spoiler missyae uses his insider access to report that the incident involved a proposed deal: “Jane accused Sash of offering to pay off her morgage in exchange for her vote and influence with the jury on his behalf. When she said this Jeff ordered the cameras to stop rolling and called in the producers. They discussed this for about 10 minutes and resumed filming without giving any instructions to the jury or the remaining players. In other words they left it as a ‘he said, she said’ situation.” To be clear, this all came up during the F6 TC. In case you were wondering what the heck happened, after Jeff urged the three to vote for Holly, why Jane didn't take a chance and vote Holly. She was making a statement. Personally, I believe Sash. I heard somewhere that he says he let people know that he was playing to help HIS mom with her mortgage, and Jane got it wrong. Well, we will never know, because if the alleged incident at camp was captured on tape, they chose not to air it. I imagine the producers were sandbagged by this one at TC and had no time to sort through all the raw footage, and had to make a call based on the allegations? Discuss ...   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... Outfrontgirl 12-20-10 1  RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... kiki_k 12-20-10 2    RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... michel 12-20-10 3  RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... Outfrontgirl 12-20-10 4    RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... kiki_k 12-21-10 5    RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... michel 12-21-10 6    RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... byoffer 12-21-10 8        RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... Outfrontgirl 12-21-10 11            RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... BrassFan 12-21-10 12        RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... emydi 12-21-10 14  RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... dabo 12-21-10 7    RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... kiki_k 12-21-10 9        RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... dabo 12-21-10 10            RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... BrassFan 12-21-10 13  RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She ... Belle Book 12-21-10 15  But why is it he said, she said? michel 12-21-10 16    RE: But why is it he said, she said... Round Robin 12-22-10 17        RE: But why is it he said, she said... michel 12-22-10 18            RE: But why is it he said, she said... Round Robin 12-23-10 19                RE: But why is it he said, she said... kiki_k 12-23-10 20                    RE: But why is it he said, she said... Outfrontgirl 12-23-10 21                        RE: But why is it he said, she said... michel 12-23-10 22                            RE: But why is it he said, she said... BrassFan 12-23-10 23                                RE: But why is it he said, she said... dabo 12-23-10 24                            RE: But why is it he said, she said... PepeLePew13 12-23-10 25                        Right again OFT kiki_k 12-23-10 26                            RE: Right again OFT michel 12-23-10 27                                RE: Right again OFT dabo 12-23-10 28                                    RE: michel 12-23-10 29                                        RE: dabo 12-24-10 30                                            RE: michel 12-24-10 31                                                RE: Outfrontgirl 12-24-10 32                                                    RE: michel 12-24-10 34                                                        RE: Outfrontgirl 12-24-10 35                                                            RE: michel 12-24-10 36                                                        RE: PepeLePew13 12-28-10 37                                                            RE: dabo 12-28-10 38                                                RE: dabo 12-24-10 33

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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-20-10, 10:26 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" Jane's secret scene where she calls Sash names ands says she would never vote for him.   Top

kiki_k 1444 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 12-20-10, 10:27 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" LAST EDITED ON 12-20-10 AT 10:29 PM (EST) IMO, Sash was going to lose anyway, even without the Jane "incident." The only difference would have been that he wouldn't have been shut out the way he was -- possible it would have been 5-3-1 Fabio/Chase/Sash, but that's about it. Sash was not the "mastermind" a lot of people seem to be giving him credit for -- everyone mentioned how transparent and fake he was out there & if I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times: Sash "overplayed" the game by needlessly backstabbing & burning bridges. Yes, a few backstabs are somtimes necessary & forgivable (see Chase with Brenda & Jane) but when you lied to and backstab everybody, you aren't a good strategic player. I also think some people are giving way too much blame on Jane instead of realizing that she wouldn't have been believed if Sash hadn't played such a sketchy game in the first place. That is, something about Sash made the jury believe he could have done it. That is because of how he played the game, not because of Jane's accusations. I don't know & I don't care what really went down. If the Sash fans want to think this effected the outcome (that is, Fabio winning) well, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. But Fabio was winning no matter what once he got into the F3.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-20-10, 11:07 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" I'm with you on that kiki. Sash lost because he kept Marty for too long and Brenda not long enough. No one trusted him and you need to be trusted in order to apply your strategy. We heard well before F6 that no one trusted Sash. Anyway, from where we sit, it's a case of Missyae said she said he said. I don't put much weight on hearsay.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-20-10, 11:57 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" Maybe I should start over. The point of bringing this up was to talk about how something that was huge in the actual game -- whether or not it influenced votes -- was completely edited out. All direct traces excised. Only some trickle down remaining that couldn't be taken out. For example, did you notice the cut in Jane's voting speech at F6? And all her comments about Sash. I don't for a minute think that Fabio wouldn't have won, or even that Fabio would have lost a vote. If anyone would have lost votes, it was Chase. Nobody thought that Chase played a strong game, the most credit he got was from Holly, but not much. Watch the secret scene clips from each juror that were taped right before Final Tribal. Clearly they were instructed that they could not mention it. Jane just goes off on him without saying why. http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/video/?pid=ebjDOEEkTxbqLmH9RCHswGtURtB8gXz_&vs=Secret%20Scenes&play=true As for missyae, who clearly has a source or sources from the cast, anyone reading the spoilers this season would see that often the filtering was minimal. Hearsay but by one degree. Sash may have played like a used car salesman or a greasy politician, but Brian Heidik overcame that, and he won by a vote. I think that Sash took an unexpected path at TC by saying he was remorseful. If not for this huge shadow on him, he may have argued more forcefully about his playing. Another fallout from this could be that a F3 player was made invisible for most of the episodes up until when he had to be shown, when he got the idol. He was playing, but not featured. I just think it is interesting as a behind the scenes and editing thing. I think Fabio would have won in any case.   Top

kiki_k 1444 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 12-21-10, 00:24 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" Oh, sorry OFG -- I didn't understand your focus in the first post, hence my initial response. I think you are right that the incident effected Sash's edit --they probably figured why give him any face time until they needed to when they knew something happened that they weren't going to show us, because if he had had a stronger edit in the beginning we would have known him better and perhaps become more "invested" in him and would have been confused by the shut out. That is, if they had shown more of him than they did it would have probably led to questions as to why he didn't get a single vote -- the answer to which they weren't going to show us. As the edit stands now, I (and most of the "regular" --ie non-spoiled -- viewers) don't know Sash, don't care about Sash & couldn't care less as to why he got no votes.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-21-10, 00:29 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" LAST EDITED ON 12-21-10 AT 00:32 AM (EST) In Borneo, a challenge wasn't shown. Tina's strategic side was mostly hidden so we saw that a nice mom could win. In Tocantins,the tug-of-war wasn't shown. A tie between Adam and Yul wasn't shown. Earl's African American alliance wasn't shown nor was Gary being called co-leader along with Sylvia. So, I'm not surprised that this wasn't shown...if it happened. Why wasn't Sash shown earlier? We weren't supposed to like him. If he had been shown, we could have grown to like him and it would have been very difficult to accept Fabio's win. Take Samoa: There, the strategist was Russell while the young good looking kid was Brett. Since Brett didn't win and we weren't supposed to like his alliance, Brett was hidden. Since Heroes vs Villains had to be promoted, we saw the RussHole show. In comparing Sash to Brian, I see two huge differences. The first one is timing. Brian got his whole alliance to the F5 so, even if he hurt them it was explainable. It was strategy. Sash, for no good reason to his alliance, dragged Marty along because it suited him. Then, to the surprise of many, he completely turned his back on Brenda. That wasn't seen as strategy but as disloyalty. Much like Paschal saw John's vote against Gabe. Then, Brian had a goat in Clay. Fabio did very little during the game before the last challenges but he was always liked. Sash would have needed Nay and Kelly. ETA: As for Sash's jury speach, he seem to plagiarize it from Todd but he didn't show the emotions that the China winner did.   Top

byoffer 15947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-21-10, 01:16 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" I think Holly's pre-jury speech is much more telling that something happened. She totally slams Chase for not being strategical, seems to be leaning towards Sash (over Fabio probably second), but then votes for Chase who she gives the least credit to. Something happened that we didn't see to make her do a 360 and vote for Chase.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-21-10, 03:33 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" Excellent observation, byoffer. I agree. Kelly Purple was also strongly leaning towards Sash per her secret scene comments. Also telling is Dan's violent hatred of Sash, which apparently persists. Sash probably did break his word to Dan, but the anger is so intense. Jane seems to believe it. I don't believe it. There are indeed rules against destroying personal property, but in the hierarchy of Survivor Rules, the grandaddy of them all is no conspiring to share prize money. My theory on why it matters so much, is that without this rule, you could easily get a F4 who decide that 250K in the hand is worth 1 mil in the bush -- make a sworn agreement, don't really care how the game ends as they all get the same money. Burnett wants the players to fight for that one grand prize that is far above the 2nd place prize. It's not that it's so immoral to agree to share a prize, but that if people do it, the result may be very boring TV.   Top

BrassFan 326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 12-21-10, 01:00 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" >My theory on why it matters >so much, is that without >this rule, you could easily >get a F4 who decide >that 250K in the hand >is worth 1 mil in >the bush -- make a >sworn agreement, don't really care >how the game ends as >they all get the same >money. Burnett wants the >players to fight for that >one grand prize that is >far above the 2nd place >prize. My theory deals with someone having to pay for going back on a deal. Look at Yau Man/Dreemz. They made a deal to share a prize. But, that was done, and the entire deal played out within the game. Dreemz didn't own up to his end, and he paid the price for it at the final tribal council. Compare that to the person who offers to give someone $200,000 for their vote. If they end up winning, and don't own up to the deal, they get away scott-free.   Top

emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-21-10, 02:48 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" In an interview, Holly said she was going to vote Sash and then changed to Chase after he said he'd give $ to charity see my post over in ecst for link   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-21-10, 01:10 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" LAST EDITED ON 12-21-10 AT 01:13 AM (EST) Considering how lax they've been about their supposed rules (few as they are), it seems Sash's only real crime was to push rule-breaking past the breaking point. Holly destroyed Dan's shoes, Russ burned socks, Nay stole socks, Nay assaulted Kelly B., not to mention contract violations that have been ignored, but uh-oh sharing the prize money crosses the line. SEG and CBS only have themselves to blame for all the times they've looked the other way.   Top

kiki_k 1444 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 12-21-10, 01:32 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" >Considering how lax they've been about >their supposed rules (few as >they are), it seems Sash's >only real crime was to >push rule-breaking past the breaking >point. Holly destroyed Dan's >shoes, Russ burned socks, Nay >stole socks, Nay assaulted Kelly >B., not to mention contract >violations that have been ignored, >but uh-oh sharing the prize >money crosses the line. >SEG and CBS only have >themselves to blame for all >the times they've looked the >other way. So, so true. BTW everyone -- I know things will be slow around here until the next season, so I just wanted to make sure I wished you all a Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah and Happy New Year.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-21-10, 02:03 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" Indeed, Happy Holidays to All and to All a Good Break! Seasons Greetings! Having reread this, it occurs to me that I shouldn't just jump on the condemn Sash bandwagon, though it is possible he deserves it. He played a bad game anyway, nothing at all like the Iceman. Without having seen actual footage of the conversation, for all we know Jane may have misunderstood something he said, which could well have been just another lie really. Tell her what she wants to hear. Even when he's being truthful he doesn't know how to be honest. What surprises me, and it is something that has cropped up a few times, is: Why wouldn't Jeff have known about this before it came up in front of him? Granted, he himself isn't out there watching everything they say and do as it happens. But there are crews out there recording everything they can, you would think Jeff would be getting updates several times a day on what's been happening.   Top

BrassFan 326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 12-21-10, 01:02 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" >What surprises me, and it is >something that has cropped up >a few times, is: Why >wouldn't Jeff have known about >this before it came up >in front of him? >Granted, he himself isn't out >there watching everything they say >and do as it happens. > But there are crews >out there recording everything they >can, you would think Jeff >would be getting updates several >times a day on what's >been happening. Well, Jeff has said time and time again that he doesn't get any information about what goes on at camp. But, in this case, I'm assuming that no one outside of Jane and Sash knew anything about this supposed conversation. If the producers had knowledge of it that they could give to Jeff, they would have had enough evidence to disqualify Sash.   Top

Belle Book 3613 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 12-21-10, 05:53 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Jane and Sash: The He Said She Said Controversy that didn't make the air" I think it's possible that Jane thought Sash was promising to pay off her mortgage when he really promised to pay off his mother's mortgage. But even if it was simply a big misunderstanding, Sash had played so sketchily that everybody would probably believe Jane's side of the story.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-21-10, 07:54 PM (EST) 16. "But why is it he said, she said?" Thinking it over, how could this even happen? Jane was the player on the block, Sash had been the one making deals left and right and yet the crew would have left them alone on the beach to make that deal? A camera crew would certainly have followed them and it would have been on tape.   Top

Round Robin 2914 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 12-22-10, 03:05 AM (EST) 17. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" There's nothing certain about that. Players get away from the camera crews all the time. In this case apparently there WAS no camera crew there when Sash and Jane had this conversation, and with no camera crew there at the time, there was no evidence on which to base a DQ and therefore it was her word against his. With the camera crews having been caught with their pants down, there was nothing the producers could do other than sweep the whole deal under the rug, put a gag order on everybody involved and hope the word didn't get out. Unfortunately for them missyae and his source were on the case and it did get out. This mess is probably why CBS & SEG got so bent out of shape about the source spoiling when they never really did before. With an inside source letting any and every cat out of the bag, they can't sweep anything under the rug, so they can't avoid getting embarrassed if something like this comes up.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-22-10, 08:12 PM (EST) 18. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" Sorry, but I'm not convinced. We heard from many contestants that it simply doesn't happen. I've often read that players say they weren't totally blindsided because they know that a camera crew gets assigned to the player that's on the block. The crew would never had let Jane and Sash alone. As for this: "Unfortunately for them missyae and his source were on the case and it did get out. This mess is probably why CBS & SEG got so bent out of shape about the source spoiling when they never really did before" If that were true than priorities would mean nothing! This little "case" is nothing to get upset about compared to having a whole boot list revealed. If they are prosecuting the source it's because they finally identified the dumbass that leaked information.   Top

Round Robin 2914 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 12-23-10, 02:26 AM (EST) 19. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" Just because a lot of contestants SAY it doesn't happen doesn't mean that it didn't in this one instance. I'm sure they try not to leave the player on the block uncovered, but guess what? Humans screw up, and it is entirely possible that Jane and Sash had no camera crew with them at the exact time the conversation in question took place. In fact, not only is it possible, it's the only explanation that makes any sense, because if a camera crew had been there, I'm sure they would have reviewed the footage as soon as possible and DQ'ed Sash if he said it, and if he didn't say it Jeff would have gone to the camp and to Ponderosa and clarified what really happened so nobody would be operating on the basis of bull$hit. And we would have known about it because they could have shown it and explained it, and/or missyae's source would have put it out. The fact that this didn't happen tells me that it is very unlikely that there was a camera crew there at the exact moment whatever was said was said, and therefore there was no evidence showing what exactly did happen and the producers were therefore left with no choice but to sweep the whole mess under the rug and hope it didn't get out.   Top

kiki_k 1444 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 12-23-10, 02:36 AM (EST) 20. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" Missyae's original spoiler said that Sash & Jane were out in the water away from the camera. Furthermore, he said that the players this season did that a couple of times -- once it was Brenda and NaOnka -- out in the water, away from the cameras. So, it happened a couple of times this season, not just with Jane & Sash.   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-23-10, 05:38 AM (EST) 21. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" Actually I'm fairly sure that the water escape only applied to the two girls. It was Brenda and Kelly Purple, and they wanted to get naked and clean and also talk privately. missyae didn't know exactly where the Sash/Jane thing happened -- on the beach is as exact as it got. There's a crazy amount of footage shot each day. I doubt it would be possibly to review it all at a TC, if it had happened that afternoon. I would think that if there were existing footage, Sash would have asked them to find it, if not then, by now, so that it could be laid to rest.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-23-10, 08:43 AM (EST) 22. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" But the simplest reason why there isn't footage is that it didn't happen. Occam's razor.   Top

BrassFan 326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 12-23-10, 09:22 AM (EST) 23. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" >But the simplest reason why there >isn't footage is that it >didn't happen. Occam's razor. Or that it happened when there weren't cameras close enough to catch it...   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-23-10, 12:25 PM (EST) 24. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" LAST EDITED ON 12-23-10 AT 12:26 PM (EST) More the mikes, this is about what was said. Though the crew have had years to get it down to a science I'm sure they always have a certain amount of unusable material. What is said when they speak in hushed tones during a heavy rain or even on a beach with a pounding surf, they may have it but it is too messed up to clear up the matter. Telephone game. Mumble in an old lady's ear she may be telling the truth about what she thought she heard even if it wasn't what was said. What happens in vagueness stays in vagueness.   Top

PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-23-10, 01:13 PM (EST) 25. "RE: But why is it he said, she said?" I'll echo what dabo said. There's just hours and hours and hours upon hours of footage being aired, and who's to say that what one cameraman thinks is newsworthy might not be newsworthy to another, so something might get missed along the way? Also I'd imagine that a cameraman already serving 6 hours filming or an editor staring at film for hours might become a little numb to something said out of the blue that they didn't catch it right away or overlooked it. My Occam's razor says it's likely the cameraman didn't realize the significance of the comment if it did happen. When there's smoke, there's fire, so I believe there's "something" to whatever might have happened between Sash and Jane - what, exactly, it is, I don't know.   Top

kiki_k 1444 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 12-23-10, 03:50 PM (EST) 26. "Right again OFT" I went back through the thread & found missyae's original response: missyae: They (refering to Sash & Jane) slipped off alone out on the beach. It was not the only time players got away from cameras for this season. There was another incident involving 2 female players away from cameras out in the water. Although I obviously confused the "out in the water" to refer to both the girls & Sash & Jane, missyae does seem to say Sash & Jane did "slip off alone" away from the cameras. Missyae later gives his opinion that Jane lied, but he acknowledges that "with the way they both played the game" it is hard to tell. This supports my premise that it is irrelevant whether Sash did make the offer -- he played such a shady game out there that the jury believed he could have done it. Thus, they didn't have a good opinion of Sash anyway, and he probably wouldn't have won even without the "incident."   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-23-10, 08:26 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Right again OFT" Suppose there was a serious doubt that Sash broke one of Survivor's biggest rules, do you think Jeff would have congratualed him as he did during the reunion? All that: "I was sure you wouldn't make it passed the first TC" would not have been mentioned. Or, if they thought Jane lied about it, wouldn't they disqualify her from winning the Sprint prize?   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-23-10, 10:04 PM (EST) 28. "RE: Right again OFT" She lied on Survivor, like oh my heck. I still think that if anyone in the crew, even just a gopher, heard something about a prize-sharing deal, that should go up-channel very quickly; Jeff should not only have known about it before Tribal but he and MB would have had a conference about it.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-23-10, 10:57 PM (EST) 29. "RE:" Lying to each other is one thing, lying to production to get someone disqualified would be something else, I'd assume.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-24-10, 01:51 AM (EST) 30. "RE:" But lying about one another goes along with lying to one another, so where do you draw the line. Kind of an amazingly brilliant lie if it was an intentional lie, you have to put yourself in the lawyer huddle as they try to sort it out. "Well, if she's telling the truth and they had an agreement they both should be expelled, but if she's telling the truth and she didn't say yes to the agreement then there was no agreement so no rule was broken and they're both still playing the game, there's no right answer here, we're in trouble, you got any ideas?" It's Sash's problem that his game was vulnerable to being scuttled that way, but this zeroes in as well on a chink in the production armor which is compounded by all the times they've looked the other way about stuff. No wonder they decided to batten down the hatches and try to plug all the spoiling leaks, let's hope they also decided from now on to strictly enforce their own rules on the game.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-24-10, 04:22 AM (EST) 31. "RE:" >But lying about one another goes >along with lying to one >another, so where do you >draw the line. Easy: When the lie is addressed to production. >Kind of an amazingly brilliant lie >if it was an intentional >lie, you have to put >yourself in the lawyer huddle >as they try to sort >it out. "Well, if >she's telling the truth and >they had an agreement they >both should be expelled, but >if she's telling the truth >and she didn't say yes >to the agreement then there >was no agreement so no >rule was broken and they're >both still playing the game, >there's no right answer here, >we're in trouble, you got >any ideas?" Only if they didn't have a crew covering Jane at all times which they always do. >It's Sash's >problem that his game was >vulnerable to being scuttled that >way, Everyone could have been vulnerable to such a lie, even Tom. >No wonder they decided to batten >down the hatches and try >to plug all the spoiling >leaks, let's hope they also >decided from now on to >strictly enforce their own rules >on the game. You told me that they identified the source but you really think this trivial matter would be a bigger reason to stop a source than preventing boot lists from being revealed????? Come to think of it, this could have been a great way to identify missyae's source. If you have it narrowed down to one or two possibilities, feed each a different lie similar to this and see which "news" gets revealed. Maybe this was how the dumbass was busted!   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-24-10, 05:40 AM (EST) 32. "RE:" >>> If you have it narrowed down to one or two possibilities, feed each a different lie similar to this and see which "news" gets revealed. CBS has done this already with the S22 spoilers.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-24-10, 02:33 PM (EST) 34. "RE:" >>>> If you have it narrowed down to one or two possibilities, feed each a different lie similar to this and see which "news" gets revealed. >CBS has done this already with >the S22 spoilers. Do I dare hope you mean it isn't RussHole versus BostonRob?   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-24-10, 07:55 PM (EST) 35. "RE:" No ... Russ and Rob were at the reunion for a reason. They did it with the spoilers that Carrie Prejean and Kimbo Slice were contestants, and with the fake spoilage for Episode 1.   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-24-10, 08:39 PM (EST) 36. "RE:" Yeah, I figured as much now I'm even more afraid of seeing Cirie, Coach and Rupert! Thanks for the info and Merry Christmas!   Top

PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-28-10, 12:01 PM (EST) 37. "RE:" LAST EDITED ON 12-28-10 AT 12:02 PM (EST) >>>>> If you have it narrowed down to one or two possibilities, feed each a different lie similar to this and see which "news" gets revealed. > >>CBS has done this already with >>the S22 spoilers. > > >Do I dare hope you mean >it isn't RussHole versus BostonRob? Not gonna spoil anything for you, but here's something that should make you (and me) deliriously happy: I hear that Russell needed an above average amount of therapy from Dr. Liza (Siegel). He was in disbelief that, as the best player ever, he would be voted out when he was.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-28-10, 12:37 PM (EST) 38. "RE:" OboyOboyOboyOboyO! Truth is tough on Russ? Much as I'd love to see that ego crushed, the whole world knows he couldn't have lasted very long in HvV had all the other allstarz known about his game, and as that one went he lucked out when Tyson screwed up. But now we've got the double whammy of Redemption Island, so maybe he goes straight from being booted to being beaten by a dumb blond.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-24-10, 10:29 AM (EST) 33. "RE:" You aren't seeing that there are permutations to this, it's a legal minefield where SEG is up the creek somehow whatever the truth. It's a lie or she misunderstood, eh just another lie by a player about a player to other players, no action taken against them, how does SEG fix this contractual hole in the future? It's true he offered but she didn't agree to it, there's no agreement, without an agreement there is no cause to expell anyone, again how does SEG fix this contractual hole in the future? It's true and there was the agreement, all parties in the agreement should be expelled from the game, this season is in the toilet, how do they fix this? Then they absolutely have to go find out what has been recorded, which okay they should be finding out anyway. Per that, even if the players got away from the cameras and pulled off their personal mikes, long distance recording of the event is something the players cannot be absolutely certain did not occur, there ought to be something recorded even if it would need technological enhancement and expert attention in order to bring out what was said. That could take time and would probably be unusable on television but in this instance it only has to stand up in court. Headache. So, what was the agreement if there was one? This involves a mortgage, oh blast. Offering to pay off her mortgage is sharing the reward, simple enough. But if he said he would buy the mortgage, that's a business transaction she isn't a party to, he's just spending his money, she ends up owing him money but maybe gets a better mortgage out of it or feels more secure not paying her payments to him because what's he gonna do about it blah blah blah. Or he could have just said, since he is a real estate guy, that he would look at her mortgage and see if he could help her get a better one, which he can do without winning anyway, blah blah blah. But of course he's a NYC kid and doesn't know from farms in NC, handling out of state properties is Dan's area, let's rope Dan in on this, blah blah blah. There may be any number of permutations to this I've not thought of, the legal huddle must have been something else, they should have recorded that as well. It's a dementedly "stick it to the man" (in this case SEG and CBS) game move no matter how it works out, checkmate suckers!   Top

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