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"Signs of Survival: Samoa"
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"Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-31-09 AT 05:23 AM (EST)
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in story form My husband played high-school football with Alex Hawkins – South Charleston (WV) Black Eagle, South Carolina Gamecock, Green Bay Packer, Baltimore Colt, Atlanta Falcon and (once again) Baltimore Colt. So, for old times’ sake (and because we’re NFL fans), we followed Alex off the gridiron and into his – brief – career as a CBS Color Commentator: I was watching the day he told this story, on air. CBS was not amused. I was. Maybe it’s an Appalachian thing. The topic in the CBS booth was the NY Jets’ draft of Joe Namath and Alex offered that, during a meeting of the Jets' hierarchy convened to assess young Mr. Namath’s on-the-field potential, several of the group launched a long and complex – hypothetical injury/prognosis by hypothetical injury/prognosis – critique of the Alabama star’s ‘chicken-legs’. Finally, said Alex, one man in the room (probably a coach) had had enough: ‘Hell!’, he bellowed, ‘We aren’t talking about breeding this kid! We’re just talking about playing him!’
Hello!
Surprised to see this thread up before Samoa’s cast has been announced? I am! But, I have two very good reasons for my uncharacteristic foray into timeliness. First: Given that the purpose of the thread is to spoil as much as we possibly can of its producers’ plan for an upcoming Season, it is helpful if the historic record of Survivor’s casting schemes vis-à-vis their result – and the historic record of the within-the-game performances of the Sun Signs – are available before that new Season becomes a part of those histories. I have, of course, known this for some time. I just take a bit longer between knowing and doing than most folks. Secondly: Rumor has it that there is, within the Survivor ‘family’, a simmering controversy surrounding the show’s casting practices. More specifically, that controversy seems to focus on Lynne Spillman, Jeff Probst and S20 (a Season cast, disingenuously, “simultaneously” with S19). This is a paraphrased version of remarks attributed to Billy Garcia (Cook Islands) by TDT. I’ve cleaned up the spelling and, in the interest of continuity, rearranged and added text: ‘Lynne Spillman is showing her recruits favoritism. Basically, if she recruited you the first time then you’re in S20. If you auditioned with someone else, or were someone else's recruit, you're out or not even asked! S20 seems to be a power play behind the scenes. The scuttlebutt is that Jeff Probst wants more stroke to call shots or he may just walk. It's not about money! Lynne Spillman is hooking up too many of her friends at the expense of the show and Jeff is not cool with it.’ ‘Spillman's being accused by some of the old-schoolers here – at Discovery Beach Restaurant’s Survivor Florida Party 2009 – of stacking the deck in recent seasons to help her recruits get farther so that she looks good to CBS. The old-schoolers (myself included) are worried that S20 is gonna be the worst case of that yet cause they are all gonna be her recruits and she can just surround her favorites with the right people!’ ‘More Scuttlebutt: Shane is an alternate and he's pissed! ‘ Note: TDT provides a link to Shane’s vulgarity-laced rant about his ‘ill-treatment’. I’m not going to quote the cretin. So, given the promise of blood-letting, I hope that we’ll be able to follow S20’s casting story (along with S19’s) in this thread. For starters: As the Elements Chart (below) illustrates, thirteen of Survivor’s eighteen completed Seasons have been cast with a bias that, for all practical purposes, eliminated 30% to 44% of their participants from contention for the $1,000,000 before they left Los Angeles. In fact, those initial majority/minority biases have been so effective that the minority populations of those Seasons were able to reach a numerical/social parity – or a numerical/social advantage – in only 10/10% of the 104 (F10 thru F3) Tribal Councils represented on the Chart. And those hiccups were isolated in three Seasons: Borneo, Pearl Islands and Gabon. However, two individuals – Yul (Cook Islands) and Tina (Outback) – have beaten the stacked decks of their Seasons. So, to date, the score in prejudicially-cast Seasons is: The House – 11 (85%) and The Survivors – 2 (15%). Now, I’ve always assumed that Survivor’s success is due, in no small part, to its ability to capture and hold a broad general audience. So, I’ve always considered its majority/minority casting scheme … benign. SEG does, after all, have a legitimate interest in maintaining its customer base. And, it is simply a fact that some Signs are better at the Game than are others: but they all have their audience. So, it has always made sense to me that the show’s producers would spread defeats and victories as evenly as possible. And, a quick glance at that Chart indicates that they have. To date – after hundreds of Tribal Councils – the six Earth and Water Signs (and their counterparts in the audience) have won nine Games. And the six Fire and Air Signs (and their counterparts in the audience) have won nine Games. Somebody in casting is doing their job! There is, of course, far more than one way to stack a deck. One of the most obvious – and sometimes not-so-obvious – is Good Tribe – Bad Tribe alignments. Micronesia – and, hilariously, Gabon – were textbook examples of obviously mismatched Tribes. On the other hand, Tocantins tribal configuration was a fascinating look at just how subtle SEG’s manipulation of its Game can be. Note: Tocantins is the most recent of the (now) five Seasons that have been cast without a numerical/social (majority/minority) bias. But, perhaps an even better example of SEG’s subtle manipulation of Survivor's dynamics has to do with gender. For instance: Scorpio is an intense, enigmatic and imperialistic personality that is extremely difficult to camouflage. Virtually every profile of these natives refers to them as the most powerful and polarizing of the twelve Sun Signs – and therefore, in the Game, apparently threatening . So, it is little wonder that Scorpio find it more difficult to reach the Final Ten than do the natives of any other Sign. Now consider that 65% of Scorpio cast have been women. In contrast, Libra is the most social of the Signs and its natives are usually engaging, diplomatic and low-key – and therefore, in the Game, apparently non-threatening. So it is not surprising that Libra find it far easier to reach the Final 10 than do the natives of any other Sign. Now consider that 65% of Libra cast have been men. Finally: Another member of the board, referring to Coby’s list of S20 possibilities, recently told me that he didn’t think that Randy or Jean-Robert could ever win without a complete strategy and personality change. I replied (only half-jokingly) that I would agree: unless Lynne Spillman rounded out the cast with eighteen Taurus. Note: No Taurus – because, in a nutshell, they truly are too good for the Game – has ever advanced beyond the Final Four. So, given all of the psychometric tools at her disposal, could Lynne Spillman handpick her favorite and – as Billy Garcia fears – give that fortunate man or woman $1,000,000 merely by surrounding her choice with the ‘right people’? Sure, she could!
HOUSEKEEPINGYou’ll find the Charts illustrating the performances of the Elements and Signs from S1 through S18 in the two posts following this one. When the Samoa cast and their birthdates – I hold my breath each Season until the birthdates actually appear at the bottom of each biography – are posted on the CBS site, I’ll update them so that they will be Season-specific. An explanation of the terms that you’ll encounter in the thread is just below.
THE TERMS1. Astrology groups personalities, first, by the common innate traits and behaviors of the natives of each of the twelve Astronomy-inspired Sun Signs. Keyword: Ego 2. Then it places each of the twelve in a group of three Sun Signs defined by their common display of the characteristics of one of the four Philosophy-inspired Elements. Keyword: Temperament The three (Practical/Industrious) Earth Signs are Capricorn, Virgo and Taurus. The three (Emotional/Intuitive) Water Signs are Cancer, Pisces and Scorpio. The (Charismatic/Spontaneous) Fire Signs are Aries, Sagittarius and Leo. And the (Intellectual/Harmonizing) Air Signs are Libra, Gemini and Aquarius. Note: The personalities of the three Sun Signs within an Element are said to be compatible with each other. And the Elements of Earth and Water – and of Fire and Air – are considered to be complementary of one another and in opposition to the other duo. Thus, the two sides of Survivor's 'war of personalities'. 3. Finally, Astrology further identifies and describes each of the three Sun Signs within an Element by the Sign’s Psychology-inspired Mode (or Quality). Keyword: Behavior The (Initiative) Cardinal Signs approach new environments with a zest for beginning new activities and pursuing new accomplishments. Earth’s Cardinal Sign is Capricorn. Water’s Cardinal Sign is Cancer. Fire’s Cardinal Sign is Aries. And Air’s Cardinal Sign is Libra. Able to see life from many perspectives, the (Versatile) Mutable Signs are flexible, adaptable and restless: there is a touch of urgency and haste in their natures. Earth’s Mutable Sign is Virgo. Water’s Mutable Sign is Pisces. Fire’s Mutable Sign is Sagittarius. And Air’s Mutable Sign is Gemini. Faced with new experiences, the (Steadfast) Fixed Signs dig in. And they are respected for their self-containment and sense of purpose. However, change is difficult for them, and as a result, they have a reputation for being stubborn. Earth’s Fixed Sign is Taurus. Water’s Fixed Sign is Scorpio. Fire’s Fixed Sign is Leo. And Air’s Fixed Sign is Aquarius.
4. And because I think that it is important to attempt to identify the players’ natural, instinctive social niches, in addition to Astrology’s categorizations of personalities you’ll also see three of my own: the Survivor-inspired Roles. Keyword: Place The Profiles of the Superior Signs – Capricorn (Cardinal Earth), Cancer (Cardinal Water), Scorpio (Fixed Water) and Leo (Fixed Fire) – indicate that their natives are most comfortable – and function most effectively – in a position of authority. The Profiles of the Subordinate Signs – Taurus (Fixed Earth), Virgo (Mutable Earth), Pisces (Mutable Water) and Gemini (Mutable Air) – indicate that these personalities are most comfortable – and function most effectively – in sheltered (supportive or specialized) positions. And the Profiles of the Soloist Signs – Aries (Cardinal Fire), Sagittarius (Mutable Fire), Libra (Cardinal Air) and Aquarius (Fixed Air) – tell us that these folks are most comfortable – and function most effectively – in autonomous (detached or semi-detached) positions. Artist
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3. "RE: The Elements" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-02-09 AT 07:54 AM (EST) Well, since it appears that it’s going to take a bit more time for the S -19 pea-pod at the CBS Survivor site to ripen, we have a bit more time to anticipate its contents. So ... As I pointed out in my first post, viewed from my perspective of their job description vis-à-vis their track record, I think that Lynne Spillman and her associates are amazing. But, my perspective is limited to my own – very amateur and very subjective – opinions and to the casting patterns produced by the application of the one personality-profiling method available to us: Astrology’s Sun Signs. So, unless CBS begins to post the results of the battery of psychometric tests administered to Survivor’s applicants – and that is never going to happen – we are also probably never going to know just how amazing. And, while I’m on the subject of track records, to (very belatedly) answer a question that CTgirl posed about my own track record in last Season’s (Tocantins) Editing thread: Things I’ve been right about ... The uniformity of the results of Survivor’s prejudicial casting plans (seen in the second and third group of Seasons on The Elements Chart above) make them reliable indicators of the results that the plans will produce when they are applied in coming Seasons. To say that In 85% of the Survivor Seasons cast with majority/minority Sun Sign populations, the majority population produced the Season’s Sole Survivor isn’t a statement of theory. Or of a belief. Or of an opinion. It is a statement of fact. However, it is also a fact that those results reliably predict odds, not certainties. As I’ve said before, ‘Tina and Yul happened’. But, in the three Seasons (China, Micronesia and Gabon) that have been prejudicially cast since I identified those patterns, a Yul or Tina didn’t … happen. So, in correctly identifying the majority and minority groups of Survivors who would – and would not – produce a given Season’s winner, Signs … would have a three for three record: if I had done a Signs … for Micronesia. And if I had identified the pattern prior to Signs of Survival: Guatemala, Signs of Survival: Exile Island and Signs of Survival: Cook Islands, that record would be six of seven: if I had done a Signs … for Fiji. Note: Below is an illustration of the pattern’s application to an upcoming Season. And, I’ve used TDT’s Survivometer and Coby’s list for S20 because the little green people-in-the-pod don’t have birthdays yet. Here is TDT’s list as it stands now: a Balanced Season. As was All-Stars, a Game that – unless there are prejudicial patterns in play during Balanced Seasons that I just haven’t yet found – every one of its participants truly had a chance to win.  Now I’ve added four names (from Coby’s list) to those from the Survivometer to create a sixteen-player Season. I’ve also created an Earth and Water-dominant Season that no player on the right side of the chart has a reasonable chance of winning.
 Now I’ve removed three of the names from the Survivometer list and added four more from Coby’s list. And in the process I’ve created a Fire and Air-dominant Season that no player on the left side of the chart has a reasonable chance of winning.  As I said at the time, it makes you wonder if Cao-Boi’s interest In the Sun Signs of his competitors was all that casual, doesn’t it?
The beneficiary of beginner’s luck, I was also right about a great deal in Signs of Survival: Guatemala. I was, however, wrong about the winner. I wanted Lydia (Capricorn) to win. I thought that Stephenie (Sagittarius) would win. But, at least now I know why Danni (Cancer) did win. Note: Every player on TDT’s Survivometer and on Coby’s list has played in at least one Game that he or she had a legitimate chance to win: with three exceptions. Gabon was an Earth and Water-dominant Season and Randy is an Aries (Fire). China was a Fire and Air-dominant Season and Jean-Robert is a Virgo (Earth). And both Palau and Guatemala were Earth and Water-dominant Seasons. Sagittarius (Stephenie) is a Fire Sign. Things I’ve been wrong about ... In both the Micronesia and Gabon Seasons – because I thought that I had identified another reliable pattern that, ultimately, wasn’t – I trimmed the lists of the (majority) Earth and Water natives who had a realistic chance of winning the Games by removing all of the Seasons’ Subordinates from those lists. Among them: Parvati (Virgo) and Bob (Pisces). So, as CTgirl pointed out, I thought that Susie (Scorpio) would be the Sole Survivor of Gabon. I also thought that Cirie (Cancer) would be the winner of Micronesia. I hoped that Ian (Virgo) would win in Palau. I thought that Terry (Libra) would win in Exile Island. I thought that Candice (Scorpio), Cecilia (Capricorn), Sundra (Capricorn) or Stephannie (Cancer) would be the Sole Survivor of Cook Islands. I hoped – right up until his betrayal of Yau-Man – that Dre (Sagittarius) would win in Fiji. I thought that Courtney (Aries), PG (Aries) or Amanda (Leo) would win in China. And I thought – right up until his betrayal of Taj – that Stephen (Aquarius) would be the Sole Survivor of Tocantins. So, if I haven’t inadvertently omitted any Season that I’ve watched, that makes my record of identifying Sole Survivors 0 – 9. And that’s why Mother Nature made Sagittarians hopeless optimists. If she hadn’t, we’d never bother to get up in the morning. One other thing that I was - sort-of - wrong about ...
It is also a fact that the majority group has maintained its numerical/social advantage in 90% of the F10 through F3 Tribal Councils held during prejudicially-cast Seasons. More specifically, in eleven of the twelve prejudicially-cast Seasons prior to Gabon, the majority had arrived at F10 with an advantage. The exception was Borneo. So what were the odds that the Earth and Water Signs of Gabon would stumble into its F10 in a dead heat with its disadvantaged Fire and Air natives? Negligible, right? Hadn’t happened since Borneo, right? So … In Signs of Survival: Gabon I posted a boot scenario that was, to put it charitably, a bit … off. But that was a mistake that I’d risk making again. The odds are still awfully good that a boot scenario based on the pattern would be helpfully … right. Now, finally, about Samoa: You’re Lynne Spillman. In eighteen Seasons, you’ve managed a remarkably evenhanded distribution of thrills and agonies among 83% of your audience. And it may be that there is just nothing you can do for its Taurus and Gemini members. But … The gender gap is at 7 – 11 and you’ve just done back-to-back Earth and Water- dominant Seasons followed by a toss-up in Tocantins that together produced three everyman - 'nice' - Earth and Water winners: Parvati cleaned up well. However, the segment of the audience that prefers its Sole Survivors a bit edgier is getting, well, edgy. And, simultaneously, you’re casting another All-Star Season of bias-sensitive veterans. On paper (with a Signs of Survival letterhead), your best bet to narrow the gender gap in S19 is to cast another Balanced Season. But, a Balanced Season is also the best way to address the grumbling among the ‘old-schoolers' being cast for S20. And that would make three Balanced Seasons in a row. However, although the surest way to produce an (off-beat) Fire and Air winner is to cast a Fire and Air-dominant Season, you might just kill three birds with that one - Balanced - stone: the three Fire and Air Signs who gave that group a 3 – 2 lead in Balanced Season wins were all women. And, though I'm not sure that 'edgy' is precisely the adjective that most of your audience would choose to describe Jenna, Vecepia or Amber, I am pretty sure that neither is 'nice'. So, what did you do? Personally, I hope that both Samoas are Fire and Air-dominant Seasons. Not only because I am among the ‘edgy’ but also because Balanced Seasons - sans a majority/minority pattern - make me feel rather … superfluous. Note: As you may have noticed, this post has been edited numerous times: to correct spelling, grammar (and, in one instance, math), to improve the clarity of its content and to replace text boxes with graphics. However, with the exception of the addition of one sentence to its last two paragraphs (and the expansion of my wish for Fire and Air-dominant Seasons to include both Samoas, its original text hasn't been materially altered. I really do have to start doing these things in the daylight ...  Artist
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6. "For the fun of it ... " |
LAST EDITED ON 09-06-09 AT 09:41 AM (EST)TDT has a full - 20-member - Survivometer up for S20. So I've brought the luminaries here so that I might have my mysterious and spooky (Snap! Snap!) way with them ... And, for the most part, I'm so-so with the cast: should TDT's list be the cast. On the one hand, I'll finally get to see Rob, Jerri, Colby and Sandra play the Game and I'm excited about that. But, I think that I will find that I could have done without Rupert. In fact, given all of the engaging (and brilliant) Aquarius who have played Survivor, I don't know why we have to make do with Rupert at all. And I know that I don't need another helping of Parvati and Amanda. However, if that's the price that I have to pay for the opportunity to see Stephenie play in a Game that she has a decent chance of winning, then I'll deal with it. Note: If the list remains unchanged, S20 will be - as was All-Stars - a Balanced Season: sans a prejudicial casting scheme that fundamentally alters that advertised promise, any player - and every player - could become its Sole Survivor. Too, how can they give us Westman ... without Deitz! And, with Katie, Margaret and Lisi - perfectly good Gemini all - still living, why in heaven's name is the moribund Danielle on that chart! After all, if this is its cast, it isn't as if they just threw S20 together: TDT's list isn't just balanced, it is meticulously balanced (five and five everywhere you look). So, let's look: The first chart puts everyone in their proper (Sign, Element and Role) natural place. And the second is how I think that they might have arranged the tribes if we're going to be told the rumored 'Heroes and Villains' tale.   Now, back to Samoa: Andy Dehnart (at reality blurred) has begun posting his articles and contestant interviews for this Season. This first link is to his introduction to Samoa. This is his article ranking its Survivors. And these two will take you to the reports of his interviews with Mick and Marisa. Note: If you click on the link - Survivor Samoa - just below the headline of each page, it will take you to a list of all of his posted work for the Season. Artist
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Oh! The one Sign missing from the S20 Survivometer is ... Taurus
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2. "The Signs" |
LAST EDITED ON 08-24-09 AT 05:25 AM (EST)
 ETA a 'for-instance' explanation of the Chart: The Cancer Sun Sign has appeared in Survivor 26 times. To date, 16 (62%) of its natives who began the Game have reached the Final Ten. To date, 6 (23%) of the Cancer who have played the Game have reached the Final Four and 5 (19%) have reached the Final Three. And, to date, 2 (8%) of the Cancer natives who began the Game have been its Sole Survivor. And a note: The data used throughout Signs' ... Charts do not include the two Virgo - Wanda and Jonathan. Artist
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4. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
Hello Georgianna,As I've already told you, I admire the effort you put into making these observations and charts even if I can't agree with an astrological approach. You make it fun to read. I don't want to get into a debate about astrology but I do want to address a few points: - For me, being reduced to a sign is as unappealing as being reduced to a number. It gets even more reductive when you write: "the Elements... are considered to be complementary of one another and in opposition to the other duo. Thus, the two sides of Survivor's 'war of personalities'." There is only one factor that separates human beings into two groups and that is gender. Thankfully, that separation doesn't always lead to a war but, in 14 of the 16 seasons where tribes were mixed at the start (or very early on), the winner was of the opposite sex to the first member voted out of their tribe: Listing winners and the first member of the tribe voted out: S1: Hatch - 1st Tagi boot = "Souna"
S2: Tina - 1st Ogabore boot = Kel
S3: Ethan - 1st Boran boot = Diane
S4: Vee - 1st Moomoo boot = Peter
S7: Sandra - 1st Drake boot = Burton
S8: Amber - 1st HappyChapy boot = Rob C.
S11: Danni - 1st Nakum boot = Jim
S12: Aras - 1st Casaya boot = Melinda*
S13: Yul - 1st Aitutaki boot = Cecilia*
S14: Earl - 1st Ravu boot = Jessica
S15: Todd - 1st Fei Long boot = Leslie
S16: Parvati - 1st Malakal boot = Fairplay
S17: Bob - 1st Kota boot = Paloma
S18: JT - 1st Jalapao boot = Carolina The exceptions:
S5: Brian - First Chewing Gum boot: John
S10: Tom - First Koror boot: Willard *The first Panama and Cook Islands boots used are the ones after the pick'em for two reasons: Viveros and Puka Puka, the tribes that held the eventual winners, didn't go to TC and those original tribes were meaningless (like many, many stupid twists by SEG). Now, 14 out of 16 (87.5%) isn't bad at all but does it have predictive power? After watching the two tribes go to TC once, could we predict that the winner will be of opposite gender to the player voted out of their tribe? The answer has to be no. Why? Because there isn't a law, a mechanism to explain the data. If booting a male at the start meant the women took control of the tribe, then I could say that this mechanism shows promising results for the women and vice-versa when a female is voted out first. Is that the case? Only in Australia can we say that the women took control of Ogabore and imposed the Kel vote. Burton, Peter, Rob C and Jim were tribal decisions, while Fairplay asked to be voted out. If Diane, Melinda and Jessica's eliminations were decided mainly by the males of the tribes, the women of the tribes had a lot to say about Souna, Cecilia, Paloma and Carolina being voted out. In a group that included Aaron, Todd, Jean Robert and James, Amanda was the only woman that spoke for voting out Leslie but it would be presumptuous to say that this decision sealed her fate. This brings me to my second point: - Statisticians collect and interpret data and use probability theory to make estimations. We should, however, always keep in mind the difference between probabilities and prediction, possibilities and outcome. When one group represents 65% of the cast then having one of them win is only the more probable result, not a neccessary outcome.
And, since I was the one that made the comment about Jean RoBear and Cranky Randy having no chance to win I have to disagree that it was because the cast was astrologically unfriendly. Even with 18 Taurus, whatever that implies, some would have a better work ethic than Jean RoBear and that would always lead to his eviction. Some would be more socially aware than Randy and that would always cause him problems. Jean RoBear and Randy were certainly not "too good for the game."
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08-26-09, 07:26 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
Michel,
What a pleasure! I’m glad that you find Signs … fun to read. I try.And since we aren’t going to debate Astrology (), I’ll begin my reply by agreeing, whole-heartedly – with the first portion of your second point:
Statisticians collect and interpret data and use probability theory to make estimations. We should, however, always keep in mind the difference between probabilities and prediction, possibilities and outcome. In fact, that fact was exactly the one that I had in mind when I wrote (in Post #3, above): ‘The uniformity of the results of Survivor’s prejudicial casting plans … make them reliable indicators of the results that the plans will produce when they are applied in coming Seasons. To say that In 85% of the Survivor Seasons cast with majority/minority Sun Sign populations, the majority population produced the Season’s Sole Survivor … is a statement of fact. However, it is also a fact that those results reliably predict odds, not certainties. As I’ve said before, Tina and Yul happened.'
But I’ll admit to being a bit perplexed by the following sentence:
When one group represents 65% of the cast then having one of them win is only the more probable result, not a necessary outcome. So, after an obligatory recitation of the ‘There is no necessary outcome to the human experience other than its physical cessation’ axiom, I’m not certain where to go. Because if you’re suggesting that ‘the more probable result’ in question is the product of numerical superiority alone, then does it not follow that random compositions of majorities/minorities would produce the same statistical footprint as would those created via the application of discrete criteria? If not, why not?
But, if so, I’d like to assign little green persons (numbering from the left of the pod at the CBS site) #2, #4, #5, #6, #8, #10, #11, #12, #15, #17, #18, #19 and #20 to Samoa’s 65% Majority and little green persons #1, #3, #7, #9, #13, #14 and #16 to the Season’s 35% Minority.
However, on the chance that you didn’t intend that suggestion at all – and I don’t think that you did – as briefly as I can, I’ll try to explain my premise:
I think that, just as certainly as Survivor’s producers edit to stock fictional roles and, in the process, leave behind patterns that can be ‘read’ to spoil a Season’s plot, they cast to stock natural personality types and, in the process, leave behind patterns that can be ‘read’ to spoil a Season’s social dynamic. So, just as identifying the roles in play (or not) is critical to spoiling a Season’s edit, identifying the personality types in play (or not) is critical to spoiling a Season’s casting.
And, just as there is no way to construct – or read – a Season’s plot (in order to control and/or attempt to predict its conclusion) other than to ‘reduce’ its Survivors to their stock fictional roles, there is no way to construct – or read – a Season’s social dynamic (in order to control and/or attempt to predict its result) other than to ‘reduce’ its Survivors to their stock natural personality types.
Not surprisingly, an appreciable number of Survivor veterans and applicants have found the process – and/or result – of one, or both, of those reductions of their unique humanity … unappealing. In fact, a measurable number of them have come away from their experience of one, or both, of those reductions … madder than hell. And, for the record:
I would probably be the first in that latter line. Because, although I don’t mind having my personality ‘typed’ – in fact, I think it’s a great deal of fun so long as it is a casual, good-natured exercise – I do mind (a great deal) if I am required to submit to the process as a condition of my employment. So, I don’t … any longer. But I am a 67-year-old female, commissioned (no wage, no salary), salesperson with 15 years of company service who now works part-time – without benefits. And it would cost them a lot more to fire me than it costs them to let the personality tests slide. Besides, they’ve thrown mine away for years: I cheat. Similarly, I refuse to role-play; be filmed; or have anything I’ve written edited.
Note: It is amazing how much thicker the ice beneath your feet becomes with age.
And that brings me to:
It gets even more reductive when you write: ‘the Elements... are considered to be complementary of one another and in opposition to the other duo. Thus, the two sides of Survivor's 'war of personalities'. There is only one factor that separates human beings into two groups and that is gender. So, I’ll be back this evening. After work.
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20. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
Michel,First: I apologize. I really meant to complete my reply to your post days ago. But, Labor Day is the busiest retail week/weekend of the year in my industry and I don't handle 14-hour days with quite as much ease as I once did. However, it doesn't look as though you've been bored in my absence ... So, I hope you don't mind if I address a few of your remarks contained in posts to Pepe and OFG. And I'll begin with this one: And while I’m at it, yes Georgiana, as I wrote “When one group represents 65% of the cast then having one of them win is only the more probable result, not a necessary outcome…” I was “suggesting that ‘the more probable result’ in question is the product of numerical superiority alone…” And, if your only criterion for establishing personality types is astrology, it does follow “that random composition of majorities/minorities would produce the same statistical footprint as would those created via the application of discrete criteria…” Because the only resource that I do use to establish personality types is Astrology's Sun Signs, your assertion really intrigues me. So I'd like to propose an experiment: If you will use the Elements Chart in Post #1 (above) to establish the numerical parameters of the Majority and Minority populations of each of the thirteen Seasons contained in the Chart's last two groups and select a set of numbers for each of those two populations, I will assign numbers to each Season's players. And we can then post our lists simultaneously to see if in eleven (85%) - or more - of the thirteen Seasons, those randomly-selected Majorities contain the Season’s Sole Survivor. As an example, our lists for Borneo (a sixteen-player Season with a 56% to 44% Majority/Minority split) might look like this: FROM MICHEL THE MAJORITY: NUMBERS 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16
THE MINORITY: NUMBERS 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 12, 13 FROM G THE PLAYERS: NUMBERS 1-DIRK, 2-SEAN, 3-GERVASE, 4-JOEL, 5-SUSAN, 6-KELLY, 7-GREG, 8-RICHARD, 9-BB, 10-COLLEEN, 11-STACY, 12-GRETCHEN, 13-JENNA, 14-RAMONA, 15-SONJA and 16-RUDY And so – given that in this instance #8 is a member of the Majority – the score for ‘Random Selection” would be … +1. Note: It has occurred to me that you may well have already run the exercise and I am walking straight into yet another of my serial embarrassments. But, I'm far more curious than I am proud, so do we have a game?
Moving on: Casting uses personality types for sure but usually those are based on psychological profiles, not mythological stellar patterns. and OFG, leaving aside that it was Georgianna who reduced astrology to only 2 factors … The latter first: I've been doing (or, at least, half-doing) Signs ... for several Seasons now. And I've always begun each one (or included in its first posts) the following (in 1,000 words or more) disclaimer: 'I am not an Astrologer. I am equipped with only a layman's (anecdotal) fascination with, and appreciation of, the accuracy of its Sun Sign Profiles.' And, as OFG has said, broad-brush Sun Sign Profiles are merely the beginning point of a thorough examination of a human being's (or of a group's) unique dynamics and therefore of an analyst's ability to identify the individual's (or the group's) predictive behaviors. But, in my defense, I have made stabs at expanding the thread's content to include Astrology's traditional Modes (or Qualities) and to publish the Sun and Moon Profiles of a Season's players. See Signs of Survival: China (scroll down) and the chart below (constructed for Tocantins but - as was the bulk of Tocantins still sitting in my Word - never posted). And the fact that those facets of Astrology’s system of identifying and classifying innate traits and behaviors have not been included in Signs … on a regular basis has everything to do with laziness and frustration – for instance, without a specific time of birth it is frequently impossible to definitively establish a person’s Moon Sign and I am not skilled enough at ‘reading’ other personality markers to be comfortable with choosing one of two – and nothing to do with a desire to reduce Astrology to only two facets.  Note to OFG and Pepe: I know … confusing/incomprehensible. But I posted this holdover from Tocantins only to prove that my heart is in the right place … And from now on all of Sign’s … charts will be on solid grounds with no graphic more intrusive than pretty fish. Promise.
I've also (in a bunch of words) acknowledged repeatedly that I am a lousy analyst. Once the Game begins, I become so wrapped up in its artificial storylines (and in my own imaginings) that, beyond my delight at watching the Signs' attributes displayed in the behaviors of their natives' within the Game, I tend to lose all track of their predictable natural and fictional interactions. And I can't read VidCaps worth a darn. So, because each of them contains insightful analyses that I am incapable of producing, I read every thread on this forum ... religiously. And that is what I’ve always envisioned Signs … becoming: another of the Board’s valuable spoiling tools.
So, instead of repeating all of those boring disclaimers yet again, Signs of Survival: Samoa begins with a ‘Mission Statement’ that, I hope, conveys its spirit: This thread is not about Astrology. Rather, this thread unapologetically uses Astrology for a very limited purpose: to spoil Survivor. But to do that more effectively – to get beyond the identification of the group most likely to produce a Season’s Sole Survivor to the identification of the individual who is most likely to win the $1,000,000 - the contributions of Board members who are more skilled in Astrology (in particular) and analysis (in general) than I am are essential. So, I am going to do my best to make the thread more user-friendly for everyone who wants to contribute to its purpose. And I’d love for you to be one of them. However, I do understand your skepticism. I don’t understand how Astrology works, either. The difference between us is that I don’t have to identify and understand a thing’s governing ‘law’ in order to appreciate its utility. In fact, I intuitively suspect absolute ‘law’ and infallible ‘truth’ and consider most ‘law’ and most ‘truth’ (no matter the art, science or religion that promulgated it) to be, at best, transitory. If history teaches us nothing else, it teaches us that if we wait a few historic minutes, ‘law’ will be reinvented and ‘truth’ will be exposed for the lie that it was. So, I like the fact that Astrology’s Sun Sign Profiling has stood the test of time. Its data base is, well, astronomical. I also like the fact that it is the most objective (antiseptic) of the Personality Profiling mechanisms available to us. I am far more suspicious of ‘modern’ methodologies that begin (using the Jung-based Myers-Briggs Type Indicator – MBTI – as an example) with a subjective self-inventory that must then be processed by a phalanx of ‘specialists’ employed in an evolving, lucrative and highly-competitive ‘science’ (each with his own personal and professional axes to grind and dues to pay) before I come out the other side as a ‘best-fit’ acronym that is ultimately assigned to either the Introverted or Extroverted half of humanity. Personally – I have a Cancer Moon – if I am going to be typed, I much prefer the humanizing certainty of an inherited family crest and a comforting affiliation with an elemental natural force. And, given the regular appearance of Zodiac references in his products and the redundant birthdays at the bottom of his casts’ biographies, I think that Mark Burnett (Cancer Sun) does too. That is not to say, however, that SEG uses Sun Sign Profiling as one of its casting tools. There is absolutely no hard evidence of that. But then, given Casting’s possession of a certified copy of every applicant’s (or recruit’s) birth certificate, there needn’t be. In contrast, there is ample evidence that Survivor’s producers do use, as you’ve noted, ‘psychological’ profiling as a tool to establish personality types and identify predictive behaviors: a 90-minute test virtually mandates an admission of its use. However, it is remarkable how very similar the results of the two methodologies can be. For instance (since I’m about to finally get to the Taurus thing) here is the MBTI’s Profile of ISTJ and ISFJ personality types and here is the Sun Sign Profile for Taurus posted in last Season’s Signs … (scroll down). Note: Several weeks ago, I ran across this 2004 Salon article. And if you have a few minutes and haven’t already read it years ago, I think that you'll enjoy it. Because, though dated, it offers fascinating glimpses of the Reality TV casting process. Among them:
"Reality TV people like to enshroud the casting process in mystique, partly to deter applicants from gaming the system, but also to conceal the mercilessly reductive psychoanalyzing at its core … it's clear that the sausage making isn't pretty ...” “Anyone who watches reality TV would conclude that producers enter the casting room with stock characters in mind – ‘the Nerd,’ ‘the Jock,’ ‘the B.....’ The genre's most successful shows, however, won't admit to searching for types. Mark Burnett, the secretive producer of Survivor and The Apprentice, insists he has no perfect mix, no secret casting formula; he merely seeks ‘a bunch of very A-type, driven people.’ But the application for Survivor explicitly asks candidates to state which character from Gilligan's Island they most identify with, and according to Lynn Spillman, who casts Survivor, Burnett tells her to think in terms of the '70s sitcom as she makes decisions.” And … “As Americans have become more savvy about reality TV, applicants have become students of the genre – ‘People come in here almost imagining the music that will be played behind them,’ (Sasha) Alpert says, making posturing and false intentions one more layer to peel away. The key, says Lynn Spillman, is consistency: ‘They need to be a B.... on tape, a B.... on their application, a B.... on their answering machine.’ Now, about those Taurus: I’ll apologize a second time. I omitted Jean-Robert’s (he is a Virgo) and Randy’s (he is an Aries) Sun Signs . And you’re very right. I wouldn’t suggest that either one of these two gentlemen were ‘too good for the Game’. That remark was intended to include only the scenario’s ‘eighteen Taurus’. As to whether or not either of Jean-Robert or Randy might have won the Game had Survivor: China been an Earth and Water-dominant Season and Survivor: Gabon a Fire and Air-dominant one: that is more problematic. And perhaps the best answer available is that the last Earth and Water native standing in Survivor: China was Denise (Taurus). And the last Fire and Air native standing in Survivor: Gabon was Matty (Sagittarius).
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23. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
Oh nooooo, no need to apologize or feel you need to stop doing on anyone's behalf (let alone mine), G... this is something that you're interested in and something you're good at, so don't change on my account. I'm good with vidcaps and I can see certain things that others just look at and don't see anything at all -- it's the same way with astrology on the flip side, as you can see things in there while I don't see anything at all.
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09-09-09, 07:55 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-09-09 AT 08:06 PM (EST)”However, I do understand your skepticism. I don’t understand how Astrology works, either. The difference between us is that I don’t have to identify and understand a thing’s governing ‘law’ in order to appreciate its utility. In fact, I intuitively suspect absolute ‘law’ and infallible ‘truth’ and consider most ‘law’ and most ‘truth’ (no matter the art, science or religion that promulgated it) to be, at best, transitory. If history teaches us nothing else, it teaches us that if we wait a few historic minutes, ‘law’ will be reinvented and ‘truth’ will be exposed for the lie that it was.”
Georgianna, it’s eloquence like this that makes your thread so pleasant to read. However, you have it wrong. Science is not about “infallible truths”. It’s mainly about asking questions. Rejecting old theories, your “truths”, happens when a better question is asked and is always a precursor to great advances. Rejected theories don’t become lies; they become discarded tools that still remind us of the path traveled. You are also wrong about me; it isn’t that I need to understand before I can accept astrology; it’s that I cannot accept its premise. Placing the Self at the center of the universe is much too pretentious for me. The universe doesn’t care about our little speck of dust orbiting a minor star at the outer edge of an ordinary galaxy. It certainly isn’t designed just for the animals that live on that rock, even those that have the ability to ask questions.
As far as the game you’ve proposed, there really isn’t a need to play it. If you give me a 56% majority, I will expect to ‘win’ maybe 8 times out of 13. With a 65% majority, I should get it right 9 times. Those are the probable results. No doubt that 11 out of 13 is a greater return than expected but it still isn’t meaningful. Casinos have ruined thousands of people who had a system that seemed to bring better results than expected...at first. I’ve shown you another “system” that has been accurate 14 out of 16 seasons but is still meaningless.
(I’m disappointed that no one has commented on that particular find but I can live with it)
As I witnessed in an on-line game where 4 players aligned simply because their character’s names started with the letter B, alliances are often formed on a whim (re. the alliance of nutballs in Casaya). Therefore, they could be formed because people think they have an affinity for each other through their signs. It’s the placebo effect. It’s not the stars and the planets that influenced the players but the players belief in them. It’s with that in mind that I read your thread, searching for possible hidden alliances.
“That is not to say, however, that SEG uses Sun Sign Profiling as one of its casting tools. There is absolutely no hard evidence of that.” There is a lot of evidence as to how they recruit people: Courtney Yates was working in a restaurant when she was told she’d be perfect for the show. Someone from Cook Islands (Brad?) was approached while eating at a taco stand… It’s seems it’s “Love at first sight” for many casting agents and the DOB doesn’t come into play.
"And the last Fire and Air native standing in Survivor: Gabon was Matty (Sagittarius)."
How ironic that a Fire and Air native lost due to a fire challenge. It does show however that his loss had nothing to do with Sun Sign majorities because Matty wins Gabon if he wins that challenge.
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8. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
michel,
I know you are skeptical but read this article written by a professional astrologer on April 16th, 2001, re Tina and Colby:http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0002447.htm Interesting he wrote about just those two. It was F5 at that point, and many thought Keith would be in the finals. Also this one written prior to the Finale: http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0002462.htm There's a lot more to astrology than one sign out of 12. Ten planets falling in twelve houses, ruled by variable signs depending on the ascendant, with aspects of planets to each other, and many more factors. Each horoscope is different, even five minutes apart; even twins will differ. Astrology as an art embraces the individuality of each person. However, what Georjanna is talking about here is astrology for casting, for show business which relies on types. We all know by now that they do cast Survivor looking for types. Mark Burnett wrote a book about Survivor player types, although that was before the day where the wannabe actors and actresses ruled the show, long long ago. Georjanna is right (of course) that most casts have a noticeable clumping with respect to birthdays that is just not natural distribution, and that the signs that predominate to work to give a specific tone to the season. I've never been able to predict the winner based on sign, or even F2, but it was interesting how against all odds, every season a different sign would win (not counting All Stars, as it wasn't a regular season of newbies). There are only 12 signs and up through S9 only one sign repeated (All Stars). Then the second Capricorn won (one of EPM's favorite signs to cast, along with Aquarius). So far:
Aries, Capricorn, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Pisces, Aquarius, Leo, Leo, Virgo, Capricorn, Cancer, Libra, Aquarius, Aries, Aquarius, Virgo, Pisces, Cancer.
Still no Gemini or Taurus, after eighteen seasons. 
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9. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-06-09 AT 03:28 PM (EST)“There's a lot more to astrology than one sign out of 12. Ten planets falling in twelve houses, ruled by variable signs depending on the ascendant, with aspects of planets to each other, and many more factors.” OFG, leaving aside that it was Georgianna who reduced astrology to only 2 factors, here is the skeptic's answer: Add all the factors you want, there still isn’t a mechanism that explains how planetary and stellar positioning influences behavior. Why only the 12 constellations that, in ancient times, were traversed by the ecliptic band have relevance when there are 88 constellations in the sky? Why ignore Ophiuchus and Cetus who have now moved into the ecliptic? How can a rock circling the sun “stimulate thinking and speaking” more than a mother’s attention? Ignoring genetics and upbringing in determining a personality type shows how lacking that “art” can be. Art isn’t science. And while I’m at it, yes Georgiana, as I wrote “When one group represents 65% of the cast then having one of them win is only the more probable result, not a necessary outcome…” I was “suggesting that ‘the more probable result’ in question is the product of numerical superiority alone…” And, if your only criterion for establishing personality types is astrology, it does follow “that random composition of majorities/minorities would produce the same statistical footprint as would those created via the application of discrete criteria…” Casting uses personality types for sure but usually those are based on psychological profiles, not mythological stellar patterns. At most, I will concede that, when someone is told from an early age that he should have such and such traits, that could be how he turns up. That's more due to the power of suggestion and belief than any influence from the stars. Regarding the professional astrologer (which, to me, sounds worse than professional wrestler), our own Ayak had spoiled that Tina and Colby were the key pair before the merge and many posters had come to see them as favorites. At the merge, Tapewatcher spoiled that Tina would win based on his “dog that didn’t bark” theory. Anyway, one example of someone being partly right isn’t proof. How often has he been wrong? I won’t go over the articles but this stood out:
“Of the other contestants, only Keith (February 11, 1960) doesn't have a Jupiter-Pluto aspect, so he's gone. This planetary link is critical since the winner will be announced on May 3, which is when transiting Jupiter and Pluto are nearly exactly opposite each other.”
Don’t you find this hilarious? He’s using the May 3rd planetary alignment to call an event that took place 5 months earlier. Shouldn’t Keith’s outcome have been decided by the planetary alignment in December, when the actual events took place?
And, finally: “Aries, Capricorn, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Pisces, Aquarius, Leo, Leo, Virgo, Capricorn, Cancer, Libra, Aquarius, Aries, Aquarius, Virgo, Pisces, Cancer.
Still no Gemini or Taurus, after eighteen seasons.” I’m trying to work the probabilities of having only 10 signs appear in a set of 18 seasons and, while I haven’t figured the exact mathematical formula yet, I can tell you it isn’t exceptional. I know that having all of them present after only 12 seasons would have been nearly astronomical (!!) odds, less than 0.01%. After 18, the odds are better of course but having 2 missing isn’t surprising at all. (I’m getting about a 23% probability for the distribution we've observed with 2 signs missing.
We’ll see more clearly after S100, once Rupert’s grand-kid has made a second appearance!!!!) PS: I wonder if this list is telling us that Jenna, Yul and Todd all won because they have the same personality types. I find strange the suggestion that Bob and Brian played with the same tools.
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10. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
hey michel,
definitely not the first time I've been asked the questions. Just you know, I am not interested in converting anyone, nor do I mind or care if someone believes in astrology or not. I will try to answer a few of your questions, but not because I want to convince you. However, a few (if not all) of your arguments here are based on misconceptions of what astrological theory and practice are about - because you have never studied it (which is fine), and have picked up common but erroneous ideas about the subject, so I will explain the problem and you can move on to thinking of different arguments -- to the real difficulties in proving astrology, which I concede. Re your question about the stars, many people are under the mistaken impression that Western or "tropical" astrology is the belief that distant stars from constellations affect our lives. While there is a branch of astrology called sidereal astrology that deals with the stars, tropical astrology, which I practice, does not. Tropical derives from the Greek for turning (as used by Ptolemy), and relates to the "turning points" or solstices. Historically, astrology as we know it can be traced back to the time when at the time of the Spring Equinox, the sun shown through the first degree of what was named the Aries constellation. Here is a decent explanation of Tropical Astrology. Read paragraph 2.
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Tropical_ Our knowledge of Western astrology goes back to the Greeks and Babylonians. Whether they inherited the ideas, I do not know, but they are believed to have attached the constellation names to the system. The constellation is not the "cause" of the effect. It is a constructed positional marker superimposed on the sky by these early Western astrologers, to mark the transit points of the earth's rotation around the sun (as viewed by the Babylonians and Greeks about 1000 BC). As you surely know, a constellation only exists relative to the point from which it is viewed. It is the human brain connecting dots of light into a pattern. It would be erroneous to say that primitive brains saw patterns in the sky and believed that a Ram or Lion was influencing them. Quite the reverse, sophisticated minds observed seasonal patterns and found appropriate symbolism from nature (such as animal symbolism that existed in their culture at that time), then superimposed the symbolism onto the sky patterns because it is useful to have markers. Tropical astrology is a geocentric system, because it centers around the individual. While the planets orbit the sun, and the sun orbits within the galaxy, to an individual, everything revolves around the Self, standing on the earth. A natal horoscope chart is no more than a map of the subject's position in relation to the ecliptic at the time of birth. Definition of the ecliptic - the great circle representing the apparent annual path of the sun; the plane of the Earth's orbit around the sun; makes an angle of about 23 degrees with the equator; "all of the planets rotate the sun in approximately the same ecliptic"
great circle - a circular line on the surface of a sphere formed by intersecting it with a plane passing through the center By the way, people who could develop a metaphysical system based on understanding the ecliptic, three millenia ago, were not likely to have been all that primitive or stupid. Re putting a professional astrologer on the level of a professional wrestler, I don't know what to say to that, except that many learned men have been astrologers, while few of the same mental caliber have become pro wrestlers. John Dee, astrologer to Queen Elizabeth I, was one of the most brilliant and learned men of his day, in a variety of subjects. Read hi wiki bio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee Whether or not you believe in the metaphysical areas that intrigued him, you cannot say the man was dim. Carl Jung said:
"We are born at a given moment in a given place and like vintage years of wine we have the qualities of the year and of the season in which we are born. Astrology does not lay claim to anything else." What astrology does not do, used properly, is claim to nullify the influences of nature or nurture. It does not reveal your "fate." People who want to believe everything is fated may choose to approach their horoscope that way, but modern humanistic astrology does not buy into that thinking. Why does astrology work? I don't know. It may be that to believe in it one must subscribe to the ancient maxim: "as above, so below." Not that what is above CAUSES what is below, but that in the incomprehensible design of the universe, deep patterns exist. As science progresses, this is not so out of line with what is being discovered. If a person needs a "scientific" explanation of planetary influence, it would not look at planets as hunks of rock, but would probably theorize about gravitational and magnetic forces. I am not a physical scientist. I've observe that astrology works. It doesn't simply work by suggestion, because there are physical "types" that are recognizable, types of build and bone structure and eye color that cannot be changed because Mom tells you you're a Leo, or have Leo rising. (Not everyone looks like a type, but once you've met enough people and learned their sun signs you do recognize the types when they appear. I don't know why that is. michel, as I said I am not trying to talk you into anything, but I do want you to understand that the "fixed" stars were used as reference points not as agents of cause, so it doesn't matter if they've moved out of position (unless you're a siderealist). I could also explain why newspaper horoscopes aren't applicable to people most of the time, no matter how cleverly written, but this is long enough. I would like you to believe that astrology is a truly complex and difficult study, which requires the ability to synthesize multiple factors into a unique picture. I have certainly not mastered it, and will always be a mere apprentice.
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11. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
as an addendum, re the second astrologer's prediction, to which you said would the transit not show up in December, when the moment was filmed, rather than the time of broadcast:yes and no.If someone has an injury during filming, then definitely the date of the actual injury is more important, although there is also a significant event when the general public becomes aware of an injury through the broadcast -- sympathy, publicity, etc.. As for winning, while being voted to win is a favorable event, one could say that being awarded winner status on national TV and being handed a million dollar check the next morning is a very significant event. That's when you actually get the fame and money. No doubt both nights will be memorable to the contestant. The night of the original TC will probably be experienced as more of a stressor - after all they are laying into you, clobbering you with their loaded questions. Sometimes transits mark a transformational experience within the self, sometimes a "happening" that puts people in the public eye. That said, I have not studied at the level to make those kinds of predictions, but "professional" astrologers spend so much time reviewing transits and the effects on their clients or public figures, that the good ones have a lot of experience to draw on. There are, of course, quacks, but quacks try to avoid saying anything definite in case they are wrong. I was spoiling here during S2, and if you look at the archives, there was not any kind of certainty two weeks before. I mean most people were pretty sure that the Kucha wouldn't make it, just from watching the show, but we didn't know the outcome. I did like that the first astrologer I linked said that Jerri's vote would be for Tina and would be crucial. astrologyAstrologers use "glyphs" to represent the signs
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OFG, regarding my most horrific statement, I see it this way: Professional astrologers and wrestlers make their living by conning people but, at least, the wrestlers have admitted they are faking and only doing it for entertainment.
I was talking of modern day professional astrologers. I wouldn’t put John Dee in this category because, as with many others, he suffered from the tremendous handicap of being born before Galileo. Suffice to note that Dee also practiced alchemy to see that all his work wasn’t in practical fields. Interesting read about Tropical astrology but Ptolemy’s epicycles were abandoned long ago when Galileo’s heliocentric theory was accepted. Ptolemy was another brilliant and dedicated man but his planets’ turning points were only optical illusions.
“If a person needs a "scientific" explanation of planetary influence, it would not look at planets as hunks of rock, but would probably theorize about gravitational and magnetic forces. I am not a physical scientist.”
I have taken courses in Physics and that’s why I can compare Mercury (apparently “the planet that stimulates thinking and speaking”) to a hunk of rock.
It’s magnetic field is negligeable compared to Earth’s.
The gravitational pull of the doctor in the room at the time of birth is greater than that of Mercury. FDr proportional to 100kg/(0.5m)squared >
FMercury proportional to 3.23 X10exp23kg/(9.2 x10exp10m)squared (OK, my doctor is a little fat but it makes for easier calculations!) Pluto, despite being partly “responsible” for Keith’s elimination, is even more insignificant, too small to even be considered a planet these days.
“re the second astrologer's prediction, to which you said would the transit not show up in December, when the moment was filmed, rather than the time of broadcast:yes and no… As for winning, while being voted to win is a favorable event, one could say that being awarded winner status on national TV and being handed a million dollar check the next morning is a very significant event.” So, if an earth-shattering event had forced CBS to postpone the broadcast of the Finale for a week or so then Keith’s chances would suddenly look good again. Strange conclusion.
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>Regarding the professional astrologer (which, to
>me, sounds worse than professional
>wrestler), our own Ayak had
>spoiled that Tina and Colby
>were the key pair before
>the merge and many posters
>had come to see them
>as favorites. At the merge,
>Tapewatcher spoiled that Tina would
>win based on his “dog
>that didn’t bark” theory. Anyway,
>one example of someone being
>partly right isn’t proof. How
>often has he been wrong? I don't remember this at all -- and I spent every day on the spoilers forum that season. What I do remember is that there were a LOT of theories being thrown out there and speculated on what the final four would look like. It's possible AyaK threw out this idea at one time, but no, he didn't "spoil" it that they were the key pair before the merge. Few people, if any, were definite that Colby would be a major player to the end - rather, there was quite a focus on Keith/Tina as the 'it' pair and even so, not many saw Tina going to the final episode until relatively late in the game. Colby was often seen as a 'swing vote' between the main Ogakor pairings of Jerri/Lamber and Tina/Keith. In fact, I recall there was the argument made that Keith and Tina wanted to keep Colby around because he had numerous votes against him which would be useful as a tool to break any ties that might come up (remember, back then, previous votes was the tiebreaker). Actually, if I recall correctly, AyaK had Amber and Keith as his F2 for some time and backed it up when he posted his "Grand Unified Theory" when there were about 7 left in the game, about three weeks after the merge. Australia was one of the most wide-open seasons we've ever had - predictions were wildly all over the place. It wasn't until after the game (or during the finale?) that we discovered that it was Colby and Tina who were allied to the end, not Keith and Tina. As for Tapewatcher, it wasn't a well-known spoiler until after the fact. He became 'famous' after his analysis of Africa's first few episodes and figured out that all the Star of Davids appearing in the camera filter meant that Ethan was destined for great things in the show. Regardless... I don't know enough about astrology to be able to make any claims or opinions one way or another whether this can have an impact on the game. I've read this (and past) threads to see if I can figure out any common factors that might help us figure out who would go far or not, but I keep getting more confused trying to analyze the charts. I'll just let Georjanna and OFG deal with this and stick to the vidcap analysis that I'm better at, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using astrology analysis - the gist I get is that it has helped Georjanna to spoil the show, just like looking at vidcaps has helped me to spoil the show (no, Georjanna isn't always right but neither am I and I've yet to meet anyone who has been perfect with show analysis using any method). Keep up the great work, Georjanna!
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But long before that Tina and Colby had started trashing Keith in confessionals about how they hated having him still there, that he didn't deserve it.
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You remember right, BR. It was a big reveal and they saved it for a reason, to preserve the widely held belief that either one of them would choose to go to F2 with Keith.michel, yes they did start inserting Colby's "I'm done with Keith" confessionals, but those were put in as misdirection to make viewers hope that he and Tina would allow Lis and Roger into the F4. The "let the deserving win" misdirection. Once that served its purpose, Colby was presented with a moral dilemma. But there was never any reveal that he was truly close to Tina in a next best thing to my Mommy sort of way. No hint that he would put her interests on a par with his, just his disgust that the best way to win is to drag someone along that he didn't think worthy. It was not a done deal who would win F3 IC. No one knew what the F3 IC would be, and if we had known it would be Fallen Comrades, I think the odds would have been on Tina to win it. And Tina had won essentially won the endurance contest, along with Keith, with Colby out early. I don't remember ever seeing Tina say she would take Colby over Keith. She was pretty much portrayed by the editing as a) aligned with Keith and b) out to win at all costs.
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I remember the spoiling currents for S2 very well as they pertained to Blows, other sites not at all. I think you need to have been reading/posting at Blows to have a good sense of what it was like. Pepe's sense is very similar to mine; there was no consensus.I remember when AyaK posted the Mitchell transcript, how great that was on a number of levels. On the boards, we thought, as the editors wished us to think, that Tina joined up with Keith to send Mitchell home, that Tina and Keith, the older woman and man of Ogakor, had a pact. We believed that Colby went along and went against Jerri to keep the tribe competitive, but didn't see the strategic work with Tina -- which Mitchell spoiled and AyaK brought to our attention. He spoiled a strategic alliance, but from that no one could infer that Colby had an emotional connection with Tina such that Colby would throw away a mil by taking Tina over Keith - which was the big shocker at the end. Everyone assumed he would take Keith as the goat. volmel, our poster from Tennessee, was the one who spoiled that Tina and Colby were emotionally close, by noting a hug/body language. That was before it was routine for spoilers to notice such things. She did vote for Tina to win. Mel doesn't get enough credit; she got some at the time but she was low key that there was no big fuss. In the end game, there were many who didn't think Colby could win every single IC and get to the F3, and there were many who believed that "Lis kicked butt" quote that Probst made indicated she would win an IC. What the guy writing the astro analysis was reading, I cannot say. `http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/User_file
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LAST EDITED ON 09-11-09 AT 10:57 AM (EST)Pepe, Thank you. I hope that you know how much I've appreciated your strategic encouragements over the Seasons. It isn't an exaggeration to say that were it not for them, and for the treasured support of a handful of other Board members, Signs of Survival: Samoa wouldn't be here. And, about my intention to attempt to make the thread less confusing: When I put Signs ... basics together each Season, I'm dealing with material that is very - immediately - familiar to me. But, when I revisit a Season - months or years later - I'm often confused by text-over-art graphics and far-from-clear explanations of content. Not to mention the fact that my indiscriminate use of words sometimes leaves me asking just what the dickens I was trying to say. So, revamping Signs ... a bit isn't just an attempt to maintain (and add to) a very valued, but very short, list of readers and contributors (although I'll freely admit that I really, really hope - because I love doing this - that it does), it is also about keeping me coming back.
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7. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
Georjanna,
as always, your visuals are strikingly beautiful and your discussion is most provocative. I don't actually believe that Lynn is that plugged in to the science of it. Seems to me that she favors bimbos and sycophants, pretty people.Jeff OTOH likes seeing real people being cast. Jeff is from Kansas, from the heartland, and I do think he gets sick of the LA personality domination, although he does like pretty girls, likes looking and interacting, gives them minimal credit as gamers. I think many factors go into casting S20:
who people know, how they've networked post Survivor, how popular they were, how much they did for ratings, whether they are available for the dates, and what seasons they represent, all matters. Beyond that, they need to round out the types. I think it is possible that they cast for types, and types turn out to come in specific signs, but it could be that the folks are Astro-smart enough to pay attention to signs and elements. i don't know. I would like to contribute to the astrology topics. As you and some other people might remember, I did the first Astro topics here, starting with S3. I forget when I stopped actually. I just remember Marquesas really well. I noticed from the beginning that tribes with a lot of air and fire types tended to have conflicts, and earth and water did better with the survival and teamwork. As an example, Mara`amu could not compete against Rotu's water-dominated tribe. Boran, with a lot of earth and water, persisted, while volatile Samburu imploded. When I did my assessment of the players, I didn't stick with sun signs. I took the luminaries (weighted double) and planets and did a count to see what element prevailed. Having no ascendants was frustrating. Many times it will work out the same. Like I am a fire sign with five planets in fire, so that one is easy, but as you know it doesn't always equate. I love that you started doing the astrology, and with such style. My only problem with playing is that I am a traditionalist. I studied astrology for about fifteen years, and have dabbled only for the last couple decades. I am not easily swayed to new ways of organizing the signs. The system is thousands of years old, and I like it. Not to say that I'm a nineteenth century or medievalist astrologer, but traditional humanistic/psychoanalytic. So ... I just cannot work easily with the Superior, Soloist, Subordinate designations. I know you have amassed a lot of data using them, and have had some really good results, but I can't follow it. For example, I cannot see Sagittarius as a Soloist, as I think it is a highly social sign. Nor do I see Gemini as a Subordinate. Aquarians, while following the beat of their own drum, can be extremely tuned into the group mode. Aries, while not a sign that loves to cooperate, can certainly find the overconfidence to step up to a leadership role, like all cardinal signs. The cardinal sign for spring, Aries, is still young when it comes to dealing with others, and fiery. The last cardinal sign in the cycle, Capricorn, knows all about manipulation and power. They are both cardinal signs, both initiators that love to WIN, but Capricorn is at the pinnacle of the cycle and knows better how to channel the impulse to control others. At the same time it can be ruthless. (Rob Mariano, Tina). However, I don't think because Aries is young and individualistic that it is less of a "superior" type than the other cardinal signs. Less diplomatic, absolutely. Also I think it is important to post Moon signs. It's harder to do statistics with Sun and Moon signs, no doubt, but it does give a better idea of the range of personality. Note that we can't always be sure of the Moon sign, when it changes the day the person was born. To use myself as an example again, I am an Aries with Gemini rising, which is a Fire/Air combo and pretty harmless if you can weather the bossiness and wordiness. BUT, I have a Scorpio Moon conjunct my Aries ruler, Mars, which is a whole other side to me. I'm really implacable to my enemies or anyone who screws me over. I WILL get revenge. I've had to learn how to pick my battles, lol. You just don't know me if you only know my sun sign; you would overlook the Scorpion, and overlooking the Scorpion is not wise. Jerri Manthey, a Virgo, almost surely has a Scorpio moon (born in Germany, has a small window of time (four hours) for Libra moon, but seems Scorpionic to me. Look at the way she held on to the Colby grudge. Virgo's can hold a grudge, but Virgo-Scorpio's can REALLY hold a grudge. Hatch, who is an Aries, and seemed to be a bit of a blowhard, has a Capricorn moon IIRC, to which I attribute his Machiavellian scheming. A simple Aries is not that convoluted. Interestingly, Tina Wesson has the inverse of Hatch. She is a Capricorn with an Aries moon. truly driven and competitive. Ethan, a Scorpio (people often fear Scorpio's), won as "the nice guy." His moon is in Gemini, a sign that comes off very personable. As Lex was a Gemini (with a Taurus moon), the Gemini connection made them good allies. So, I think it's good to do at least moon signs. I'm also big on looking at the Chinese Lunar signs. Even though they cover an entire year, I find them very apt for distinguishing personality types. S20 will be fun because there are already pretty decent horoscope readings on the net for some of the better known players. So, Georjanna, like I said, I do want to play, but is there any chance that alongside the system you have created, you could post a traditional category breakdown, for us stick in the muds? Last thing I have to confess, is that I suck at reading spreadsheets. I really do. It's a mental deficiency. Then when there are a lot of colors and graphics my brain just does a meltdown. This happened to me with the charts above other than the gorgeously easy to read graphics that have the beautiful fish in the center. Those I can process. However, if I'm the only one who finds the charts hard to read, never mind. I certainly don't want any work done just for me. All of your graphics are gorgeous; some of them I can't comprehend, but I admire them!
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27. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-19-09 AT 10:03 AM (EST)OFG, It is really good to see you! And to answer your questions: Yes, I sure can post traditional category breakdowns alongside my own. I'm assuming that you mean creating graphics that utilize Astrology’s Modes (Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable) rather than my bastard devices (Superior, Subordinate, Soloist)? … And I'll be happy to include each contestant's Moon Sign when I post the Profiles. But, if there is more than one Moon Sign possibility, you're going to have to make the call. As I said in an earlier post to Michel, I don’t feel confident enough of my own ability to ‘read’ a personality – particularly when we only have the limited interviews and videos available to us prior to the beginning of each Season – to do that. So, as I also said in that post, the only reason that the Moon Signs have been – for the most part – missing from Signs … is my frustration with ambiguity. Because, your contributions to the thread in the past have certainly taught me that they can be wonderfully helpful when one is looking for motivations and connections. Note: I think that you should know that once past an individual’s Sun Sign, Moon Sign, Element and Mode, I am a pilgrim in Astrology’s wilderness. And I have only a rudimentary/layman’s grasp of the relationships of those four. For instance (and I’ll use myself as an example) I have no idea what most of this means. But Astrodienst’s less than bubbly interpretation makes the concept of reincarnation seem very attractive: Sun in Sagittarius, Moon in Cancer • Ascendant in Sagittarius, Jupiter in the Eighth House • Saturn in the Seventh House • Saturn Opposition Ascendant • Moon in the Eighth House • Sun in the Twelfth House • Sun Conjunct Ascendant • Venus in the Twelfth House • Venus Conjunct Ascendant
So, when I read your comment - “When I did my assessment of the players, I didn't stick with sun signs. I took the luminaries (weighted double) and planets and did a count to see what element prevailed. Having no ascendants was frustrating. Many times it will work out the same. Like I am a fire sign with five planets in fire, so that one is easy, but as you know it doesn't always equate.” – I had to grin. Because, no, until you told me, I didn’t know. And I'm looking forward to learning a lot more this Season. In fact, from your remarks regarding Jerri, Hatch, Ethan, Tina, Rob, etc., I already have. And those comments are just the sort of truly informed analyses that is sorely needed here. In addition to, of course, my own and others’ extremely insightful opinions … Speaking of opinions: I haven’t seen Tina and Rob play the Game – yet. But, I think that Tom Westman is the most cold-blooded personality that I have seen play it. And if he is, indeed, one of S20’s players, I fervently hope that he is humiliatingly booted … at F3. And of connections: Tom – Capricorn Sun/Virgo Moon, *Ian – Virgo Sun/Gemini Moon and Katie – Gemini Sun/Capricorn Moon And of ambiguities: Betsy was born on March 20, 1961. And that means that if she was born between 12:00 AM and 4:00 PM she is a Pisces and if she was born in the following eight hours of that day she is an Aries. And that means that if she is the former, Samoa is Survivor’s 8th Earth and Water-dominant Season and we can be pretty darned - 85% - sure that a native of that majority will be its Sole Survivor. However, if she is an Aries, the Season is, like the five at the top of the Elements chart (Post #1), a Balanced one and (absent a majority/minority pattern) therefore, from my perspective, anyone’s Game. So, could you please check your flag ... Because I’ve struggled with this since the cast was revealed. But, given her emphasis of the ‘different world’ value of the Survivor experience to her and her expression of her fear that she will lose precious pieces of her memory of Samoa because she has only a journal to record them (in her CBS video) and … The whole of the report of his interview of Betsy by Andy Dehnart that concludes – “Some things she said worried me about her potential as a player. ‘I’m hoping that’s Exile,’ she said pointing out a nearby island, ‘and I’m looking forward to going to Exile just to be by yourself—doesn’t that sound like heaven?’ When I said that, in a social game, being alone might not be ideal, Betsy said, ‘That’s true, and I think I might be taking this game differently than everybody else, because I’m going to enjoy every single second of this game. I want to remember this, I want to do it for the experience, and I hope I don’t get involved in the politics—I just want to enjoy the moment, I just want to have fun.’ That’s pretty much the most clearly articulated strategy she has, and while it sounds like a somewhat absurd attitude to have going into a game for $1 million, as I told Betsy, that’s pretty much exactly what Bob Crowley (Note: Bob is a Pisces) told me in Gabon, and we know how that turned out.” and …
Her segment of the TV Guide Special that features her connection to her family and her comparison of the relationships that she expects to form on Survivor to those that she experienced during her (addiction) rehabilitation twenty-one years ago … I’ve decided - unless you see an Aries that I don’t - that Betsy is a Pisces.
Note: Interestingly, for the first time since Palau (Janu), CBS has omitted a birthdate (in this case, two of them) from cast biographies. Shannon’s and Yasmin’s are not there. So, after a couple of fruitless emails and an equally fruitless conversation with a CBS website developer/manager, I used two fee-based online services to obtain them (cross-referencing Yasmin’s Michigan and California addresses).
Oh, about the Chinese Lunar Signs: Snidget was kind enough to do a really great workup of them for Signs of Survival: China. So, maybe she’ll do the same for this Season? At least, I hope that she, or you, or someone will, because I think that they’re very useful. But, I simply don’t have the time to do them.
And that brings me to your comments regarding the show’s casting: I think that Survivor is a very controlled product. It is, after all, one story told repetitively. And for that story to work – repetitively – requires a constancy of core conflicting human behaviors cloaked in the inconstancy of human appearance.
And, because Survivor is an ‘unscripted’ fantasy, the only way to insure a constancy of conflict is to determine, in advance of its filming and with as much certainty as possible, how its cast members are going to act within the Survivor environment. And more importantly – because Survivor is, after all, Gilligan’s Island, not Cast Away – how they are going to interact: after-the-fact editing can only accomplish so many miracles before an entire Season’s themes and storylines are in shambles. Witness: Guatemala’s ‘confused’ edit (that didn’t, by the way, confuse Ms. Salt at all). In short: Survivor’s producers must be able to rely on the unlikelihood of inconstant behaviors. As Lynn Spillman said (in so many words) in the (2004) Salon article that I quoted in a post addressed to Michel: ‘Consistency is the key. A B…. must be a B…. anywhere, anytime, every-time.’
So ( I think we all agree), they interview and test. Not only to screen candidates for mental illnesses and instabilities, but also to identify innate personality types and predict instinctive behaviors. These excerpts are also from the Salon article:
“Psychologists became de rigueur in reality TV only in 2000, when the genre exploded and the networks got into the game … From the start, Survivor producer Mark Burnett took no chances, employing psychologists to evaluate contestants' stability and counsel those voted off …
Fox risk management, besides a criminal background check and a physical (including testing for sexually transmitted diseases), involves several psych exams, from an IQ test to the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. If someone ‘loads high’ on the psychopathic scale (one piece of the MMPI), or the depression scale, a red flag might go up. If, on the other hand, someone has a few issues, says Richard Levak, a psychologist who consults on Survivor and Apprentice, ‘but have a big personality, are dying to go, have a big heart ... for many of these people, these shows really do change their life in a positive way.’ …
Over time, beyond weeding out fragile or unhinged people, casting directors have made creative use of psychologists' insights, to evaluate personality and foresee narrative arcs. ‘They'll make predictions like, “That person will be defensive and has a possibility of closing down," (Sasha) Alpert says. … As valuable as those insights may be, they are made possible by another weapon in the casting director's arsenal: the hectoring interview. Hardball questions pierce veneers, drill down to core personality. They bypass interview anxiety. They jar a person's equilibrium as a shortcut to exposing true self. ‘How they answer or don't answer can be more relevant than the question itself,’ (Sasha) Alpert says. “ Note: The history of the use of the one psychological test identified in the Salon piece mirrors the history of the use of psychological testing within the Reality TV industry.
The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory began life (in 1940) as a diagnostic tool designed for use within clinical or forensic settings. However, the widespread ‘creative’ use of the test as a personnel screening devise soon followed (in 1944). In fact, the current computer-generated Minnesota Report is available in several (four) versions because “ The nature and goals of a psychological evaluation differ according to the reason for referral; for example, in clinical settings clinical diagnosis and treatment potential are important considerations while these are not goals in personnel or forensic settings.” And I suspect that – if Survivor’s casting staff (including its psychologists) use the MMPI – the show’s recruits and applicants are required to submit to at least two of the Report’s “major interpretive systems”: 1) MMPI-2 The Adult Clinical System-Revised and 2) The MMPI-2 Personnel Report.
Another note: Click around the site. It is fascinating and not a little frightening. Four of the several tabs that I thought were particularly so: The Minnesota Report, Disclosure Statements, Recent Update on MMPI and MMPI-2 References in Personnel Selection and Fifty Highlights in MMPI History. And I’ve said all of that to say this: Given the high-stakes corporate interests that CBS and SEG have in laying bare-to-the-bone and then picking-apart-the-pieces of every Survivor’s personal psychology, I don’t think that any one of them – no matter how or via whom s/he got a foot in casting’s door – becomes one of the inconstant components of Survivor’s constant mix of conflicting behaviors without being exhaustively interviewed, tested and typed. In other words: a wealth of extremely intimate information about every person who has, or is about to, play the Game is available to casting. Including the birth data required to cast their Natal Charts.
However, although I don’t know about Lynne Spillman, I can certainly see the quintessential – ‘I can’t not lead’ – Scorpio, Jeff Probst, not being ‘plugged into the science of it’. Particularly if the slice of ‘science’ before him not only represented a challenge to his presumption of the superiority of his own judgment and leadership but was also at odds with his Scorpionic attraction to the unusual-to-bizarre: it seems to me that he is as often the champion of the Kennys and Coachs of Survivor as he is of its Betsys and Shambos. But, I do think that if JP is at all inclined to be influenced by any of ‘the science of it’, it would be by Astrology’s intuitive (as opposed to psychology’s clinical) platform.
And I’m not sure what to make of Billy Garcia’s statement that Jeff has become disenchanted with Ms. Spillman's casting choices because they are ‘at the expense’ of the show. So, I decided to arrange the Seasons chronologically to see if there has been a change in casting patterns. And there has. But before you scroll down to the Chart below, three notes: 1) I’ve included S20 in the chart and labeled it a Balanced Season based on TDT’s Survivometer for it and 2)Tocantins was played as a Balanced Season. But we know now that it was cast (take away the Sagittarius, Spencer and add the Pisces, Mike) with a 56% to 44% Majority in favor of its Earth and Water Signs: the same ratio employed for Samoa. So, it appears on this Chart as it was cast and 3) keep in mind that Tina ‘shouldn’t’ have won in The Outback and Yul ‘shouldn’t’ have won in The Cooks …
 So, beginning with Micronesia, we have (unprecedented) back-to-back-to-back-to-back Earth and Water-dominant Seasons. And, as you noted ‘ … Tribes with a lot of air and fire types (tend) to have conflicts, and earth and water (do) better with the survival and teamwork.’ Setting Tocantins aside, I’ll add that, because a Season’s dominant Signs have – in eleven of thirteen instances (the exceptions are Borneo and Gabon) – carried their advantage into the Merge, I think that the observations that you’ve made about Tribes can be applied to Seasons. Or at least to Biased Seasons from their F10 to their Sole Survivor.
So, here are the initial Tribal alignments for Micronesia, Gabon and Tocantins (as cast, not played). I think that they provide some insight into what JP finds disturbing about the show’s recent casting pattern.   
The following post contains Samoa’s initial Tribal Chart. And given that its Sole Survivor will, almost certainly, be one of the Survivors on this list – Ashley, Ben, Betsy, Brett, Kelly, Mick, Mike, Monica, Natalie, Shannon, Yasmin – JP’s indication (in the Canwest interview) that the Season’s winner will be a bit rougher around the edges than either Bob or JT may be helpful. Note: I hope to have the rest of Samoa’s basics up by Sunday. Artists
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28. "Samoa: The Tribes" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-25-09 AT 05:59 PM (EST) | FOA – FOA Earth and Water Ashley – Feb 27, 1987
Sun Sign: Pisces
Moon Sign:
Midnight to 5AM – Aquarius
5AM to Midnight – Pisces Ben – Aug 28, 1980
Sun Sign: Virgo
Moon Sign: Aries Betsy – March 20, 1961
Sun Sign:
Midnight to 4PM – Pisces
4PM to Midnight – Aries
Moon Sign: Taurus Mick – May 10, 1976
Sun Sign: Taurus
Moon Sign: Libra Mike – March 13, 1947
Sun Sign: Pisces
Moon Sign – Sagittarius Natalie – April 22, 1983
Sun Sign: Taurus
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Midnight to 7AM – Leo
7AM to Midnight - Virgo Fire and Air Elizabeth - Nov 24, 1975
Sun Sign: Sagittarius
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Midnight to 6AM – Cancer
6AM to Midnight – Leo Jaison – Sept 25, 1980
Sun Sign: Libra
Moon Sign: Aries Marisa – July 26, 1983
Sun Sign: Leo
Moon Sign – Aquarius Russell H. – Oct 10, 1972
Sun Sign: Libra
Moon Sign: Scorpio | GALU Earth and Water Brett – Dec 27, 1985
Sun Sign: Capricorn
Moon Sign: Cancer Kelly – Dec 26, 1983
Sun Sign: Capricorn
Moon Sign:
Midnight to 7AM – Virgo
7AM to Midnight – Libra Monica – July 14, 1984
Sun Sign: Cancer
Moon Sign: Aquarius Shambo – April 29, 1964
Sun Sign: Taurus
Moon Sign: Sagittarius Yasmin – Aug 29, 1975
Sun Sign: Virgo
Moon Sign:
Midnight to 7AM – Taurus
7AM to Midnight – Gemini Fire and Air Dave – Aug 13, 1970
Sun Sign: Leo
Moon Sign:
Midnight to 8AM – Sagittarius
8AM to Midnight – Capricorn Erik – April 13, 1981
Sun Sign: Aries
Moon Sign: Leo John – Aug 16, 1983
Sun Sign: Leo
Moon Sign: Sagittarius Laura – July 30, 1970
Sun Sign: Leo
Moon Sign: Cancer Russell S. – Feb 17, 1967
Sun Sign: Aquarius
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36. "RE: Samoa: The Modes" |
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41. "The Taurus are coming?" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-19-09 AT 10:03 AM (EST)First, about that Chart just above: Why all the numbers? Well, by cataloging the Seasonal mixes of Modes (and Roles) and their results, I keep hoping that either I, or someone, will be able to identify patterns that will allow us to more narrowly forecast probable Sole Survivors. In the meantime (), the Charts do offer some useful information. For instance, the Fire and Air-dominant Seasons have yet to produce a Mutable or Subordinate Sole Survivor. On the other hand, the Earth and Water-dominant Seasons have produced three of the five Mutable Sole Survivors and three of the four Subordinate winners. However, as I pointed out in the post containing the Roles Chart (below), Samoa has been hard on both its Mutable and Subordinate populations. And if Ashley leaves tonight, the Season’s original six-member Mutable contingent will be reduced to the one Mutable native in Samoa least likely to become the Sole Survivor of an Earth and Water-dominant Season: Liz (Fire - Sagittarius). And, were it not for Missy’s promising forecast of Mick’s and Natalie’s presence in the Final Three, the picture from the Roles/Subordinate viewpoint would be just as bleak. Because (assuming that Ashley does, indeed, leave tonight), Samoa’s original eight Subordinates will have been trimmed to three Taurus: the Subordinate Earth Sign that has been, for seven Earth and Water-dominant Seasons (and for eleven others), winless. Too, if our new member’s information regarding Russell Swan’s medical evacuation is accurate, his departure will reduce the Fixed Signs still in Samoa to three Fire – Leo natives ( with little to no chance of winning the Game) and three Taurus: the Fixed Earth Sign that in seven Earth and Water-dominant Seasons (and in eleven others) has never gotten beyond the Final Four. But, whatever happens, I consider Missy a savior. Because, without her, confident that no Fire or Air native – or Taurus – will be the Sole Survivor of Samoa, I would now be typing a list of probable winners containing only three names: Brett, Kelly and Monica. Only to be dead wrong … Instead, I’ll just post the updated Tribal Chart (configured by Mode) below. And cross my fingers. I’d love to see a Taurus finally win.
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29. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
Georjanna,
I've read (thank you!) but didn't have time to make a good response. Can't call it on Betsy, but she has Mercury and Mars in Pisces, Venus in Aries, so definitely a mix. The addiction history seems Piscean.To check the elemental balance on a player, run a chart and add up the element of each planet, counting Sun and Moon as two, and then order them according to what is predominant. However, some people with a missing element will express it unconsciously, according to Liz Greene. (See her work on The Shadow.) So tonight after the show I talked to my son, who is a bit older than Russell H, and rather than being shocked he said :finally some is playing the way I've always wanted to play if I were on." I said "What do you mean?" He said, "Go in and wreak f*ing havoc." Then I told my Libra son, guess what, the devil here is a Libra, with a Scorpio moon."
He said, yeah, he had picked up on the Scorpion aspect.
I thought it was interesting that my Libra immediately loved this other Libra's approach. Libra's are supposed to be nice, traditionally. I'm not convinced they're that nice; smart, CHARMING and blessed with the gift of the silver tongue, yes.
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30. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-29-09 AT 12:12 PM (EST)OFG, I've put the Moon Signs for the cast with the Tribal Chart just above. And I made an executive decision about two: Russell H. has a one-hour window (11PM to Midnight) for a Sagittarius Moon and Mick has a one-hour window (Midnight to 1AM) for a Virgo one. I discarded them. But, it's a matter of sad record that I don't do 'executive' well, so please feel free to retrieve them if you like. ETA: In fact, sometimes I don't even do 'entry level' well. For instance: In checking the accuracy of the Moon Sign data today, I discovered that I'd plugged the wrong year of birth for Betsy into the Astrodienst software. So, I've corrected the information in the chart up above. There is still her Pisces/Aries Sun Sign question. But last night's boot definitely has a Taurus Moon. Anyway, now that I've done the hard part, all you have to do is sort out the rest and interpret them ... And I agree with you about Libra: they aren't always that nice. Or maybe it's that they aren't always quite so kind as they are nice. The problem for the rest of us, I think, is that they are so very often (nice, kind, or no) essential. Oh! Has your son seen the vidcap of 'The Handshake' between the two Libra? I'd love to hear what he'd say about it. Because my impression was that Jaison was desperately searching the foilage for the nearest decontamination unit.
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31. "RE: Signs of Survival: Samoa" |
Below are the four posts that introduce Samoa's castmembers by their Element and Sun Sign Profiles. Too, as usual, they also reintroduce the Game's alumni. And that can be fun (and informative). For instance: Liz is a Sagittarius with either a Cancer or Leo Moon. The other Sagittarius - Cancer natives who have played the Game are Stephenie ... and Willard.
But, Vecepia has either a Cancer or a Gemini Moon. On the other hand, the two Sagittarius - Leo Survivors are Matty and Dre. However, the only other Sagittarius with the same Cancer-or-Leo-Moon possibilities to have played is ... Morgan. Now, toss in that Ben (Samoa) and Judd (Guatemala) are both Virgo. See Flowerpower's latest vidcaps. And stir ...
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32. "EARTH" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-24-09 AT 10:31 PM (EST)
KEYWORDSPractical and Useful
Structured and Productive
Grounded and Dependable
Tactile and Sensual The ‘Practical’ Earth Signs are grounded and dependable. All of the earthy metaphors are appropriate here: ‘Salt of the earth’, ‘Feet firmly planted on the ground’, ‘Solid as a rock’, etc. Often referred to as the ‘builders’ of the Zodiac, creativity is a tangible proposition to these natives and they feel best once they have accumulated a goodly number of worldly possessions. Blending in with their natural habitat – grounded – Earth Signs engage life through the five senses and as a result operate at a slower, more thorough, pace than do the natives of other Elements. Often intimately attuned to the dance of nature – most treasure their time spent outdoors – they are masters at assessing, assembling and organizing … things.
The Element of Earth also confers a sense of duty, responsibility and reliability to those in its sphere. Their gift to others is bringing form to ideas: often making them an excellent balancing partner for an idle dreamer with potential. They tend their own garden and inspire others to make the most of theirs. These are the people you can count on to ‘be there’ when you need them. Tending toward caution and conservatism in desire and approach, their logical minds and measured responses display an innate recuperative capacity: much preferring a sure thing, these folks do not take big risks. That said, however, certainly in that they appreciate a good meal, congenial company and fine wine better than anyone else, they are also sensualists.
On the flip side: Earth Signs can become so caught up in their objectives that they overlook the feelings and opinions of others. And their single-minded focus on the tasks at hand make them vulnerable to the "all work and no play" eddy of life. It is a big picture, after all, but these natives may be more concerned with the finish line than with the journey they are taking. So, while Earth’s orientation toward the real and their need for tangible results in return for their labors can make them very productive, too much of those good things can be stifling to inspiration, faith and a sense of greater purpose. And the ever-present risk inherent in their acquisitive nature is that they may become greedy and far too materialistic.
 THE CAPRICORN PROFILE Positive Traits
Practical and Prudent
Ambitious and Disciplined
Self-Reliant and Persevering
Resourceful and Creative Negative Traits
Pessimistic and Melancholy
Materialistic and Stern
Conventional and Rigid
Demanding and Cold Capricorn is one of the most stable and serious of the Zodiac types and these rocklike characters have many sterling qualities. They are normally confident, strong-willed and calm. Born with a sense of purpose and an intense drive for achievement and excellence that never lets up, they are the major finishers of most projects begun by the 'pioneering' Signs. Capricorn exude a sense of being in charge. And they usually are. But, even in their pursuit of status and power, they rarely compromise their integrity to get there. These are the masters of the physical realm and are widely admired for what they’re able to accomplish.
However, while Capricorn have a great respect for authority, they may not be willing to listen to the opinions and suggestions of others. And as the ranking authority figure in a given situation they expect their underlings to be as self- disciplined as they themselves are and to perform every task undertaken to the highest standard. They are often humorless. And a fortress of defenses can keep the curious and insincere at bay in their lives. So that while to the world at large Capricorn often covey an image that is both intriguing and intimidating, those that pass the test of loyalty are allowed to see a more vulnerable side: at heart, these natives are interested in enduring ties and because they have a tendency to pessimism and melancholy that many of them are unable to keep to themselves – especially if they fail personally – Capricorn often look to family and longtime friends for emotional support. And mood swings are not the only reason Capricorn deserve the adjective based on their name - capricious. They can be surprisingly and suddenly witty and subtle for the quiet, reserved individuals that they seem to be. But they also have a tendency to ruin things by unexpected and utterly irresponsible bouts of flippancy: their penchant for melancholy creates a unique filter for Capricorn humor that is known to veer toward the darkly absurd. Reference: Natalie of Micronesia and Corinne of Gabon. Additionally, Capricorn are very status-minded. Even if their immediate finances don't permit an extravagant lifestyle, the January-born can unconsciously adopt the mores, attitudes and mannerisms of the elite. The trappings of success are important to these natives not only for personal pleasure but also for the impression that they can make on others. Romantically: Capricorn usually thrive as one half of a power couple. Their ideal partners are individuals who they can respect but who also allow them to take charge most of the time. Once happily settled, they’ll go about the business of building both an empire and a cozy home life.
 THE TAURUS PROFILE Positive Traits
Patient and Loyal
Warmhearted and Loving
Persistent and Determined
Rooted and Sensuous Negative Traits
Jealous and Possessive
Resentful and Inflexible
Self-indulgent and Greedy
Slow and Brooding This Sign’s characteristics are solidity, practicality, extreme determination and strength of will - no one will ever drive Taurus, but they will willingly and loyally follow a leader they trust. They are stable, balanced, conservative and law-abiding citizens and lovers of peace (possessing all the best qualities of the bourgeoisie). They will do everything in their power to maintain the security of the status quo.
So, on rare occasions a Taurus may be an obstinately and exasperatingly self-righteous, unoriginal, rigid, ultraconservative, argumentative and querulous boor: stuck in a self-centered rut. And, whether their characters are positive or negative, they need someone to stroke their egos with a frequent, "Well Done!" Luckily, Taurus has a knack for attracting praise. It is amazing how people will bend over backwards to please them.
They are faithful and generous friends with a great capacity for affection. But Taurus rarely establish intimacies outside their social rank (to which they are ordinarily excessively loyal). And in the main, they are gentle, even-tempered, good-natured, modest and slow to anger. If they are provoked, however, they can explode into violent, uncontrolled outbursts. Lurking within every serene Taurus is the potential for a seething rage that re-establishes a sense of order by force. Equally unexpected are their occasional sallies into humor and exhibitions of fun.
Those with the Sun in Taurus can be the most down-to-Earth of the Signs, so naturally they revel in earthly pleasures. Taurus has a strong aesthetic taste. And allied to his appreciation of all things beautiful is a love for the good things of life: pleasure, comfort, luxury and good food and wine. Their sensuality is legendary, whether they’re cooking up a sumptuous feast or turning on their tantalizingly slow charm.
More firmly rooted in the physical world than the other Signs, Sun in Taurus can be as immovable as a mountain: it’s hard to get a Taurus to rush into anything and that can be frustrating to everyone else. But once they make a decision, it’s usually a sound one. And that same stubborn deliberateness keeps Taurus fixed on a goal long after others have given up. Moreover, these natives don’t like to be pushed around by what they consider flights of fancy. Changes in their surroundings or routines disturb their equilibrium. And if the change is too abrupt or fundamental to his comfort, the shock may be too much for the Bull. He may actually become physically ill.
Taurus are known as the “builders” of the Zodiac and in their work they are industrious and ambitious: unafraid of getting their hands dirty and at their best in routine positions of trust and responsibility where there is little need of urgency, little risk of change and a pension at the end. Yet they are creative and are also often founders of enterprises where the fruits are of their own labors. Romantically Speaking: Taurus are motivated by a desire for material and emotional security and when they’ve found a suitable partner they’ll stay put where they are and carefully cultivate a stable, deeply rooted life. Respect them and allow them to take their sweet time doing things, and all will be well. On the down side, their reluctance to discard the familiar can sometimes cause Taurus to linger in a relationship that they’ve outgrown.
 THE VIRGO PROFILE Positive Traits
Caring and Loyal
Meticulous and Discriminating
Practical and Organized
Clever and Analytical Negative Traits
Fussy and a Worrier
Overcritical and Harsh
Perfectionist and Conservative
Negative and Unsocial
Those with Sun in Virgo are constantly on the move, always trying to fine-tune their lives and relationships. They are filled with nervous energy and a desire to make improvements, so they're serene only when they are fulfilling their meticulously planned steps toward a carefully chosen goal.Virgo is the only Sun Sign represented by a female and it is sometimes thought of as a delicate young girl and sometimes as an intelligent, but rather pedantic and spinsterish, older woman. The latter impression is sometimes confirmed by the Virgo’s precision, refinement, fastidiousness, conventionality and aristocratic attitude of reserve. They are usually observant, shrewd, critically inclined, judicious, patient and practical. Both sexes have considerable charm and dignity and in their unassuming, cheerful and agreeable fashion, they can be sensible, discreet, well-spoken, wise and witty. But while in many respects Virgo are the epitome of social grace and propriety, their sterling etiquette is more apt to be scripted than spontaneous: the result of careful thought and hours of mental practice.
Intellectually, Virgo are enquiring, methodical and logical, studious and teachable. They combine mental ingenuity with the ability to produce a clear analysis of the most complicated problems. Thoroughness, hard work and conscientiousness are their hallmarks. They have an excellent eye for detail but they may be so meticulous that they neglect larger issues. And, because of their ability to see every angle of a multi-faceted problem, they are as unhappy with abstract theories as they are with intractable philosophies: placing no confidence in either. Moreover, for as much as his intellect aids analysis, it also abets the Virgo’s compulsion to criticize. Nothing escapes these perfectionists’ eyes. And in their scrutiny of incongruities, these natives leave no stone … nor anyone … unexamined: as critical, and unforgiving, of themselves as they are of others. So that they may bring the art of self-concealment to a high pitch (hiding their apprehensions about themselves and their often considerable sympathy with other people under the mantle of an undemonstrative clinician) with the result that they shrink from committing themselves to friendship, make few relationships, and are careful to keep those they do make superficial. Virgo often feel compelled to serve others and can find respect in fields where attention to detail and a responsible attitude are rewarded. They are natural healers and are gifted at bringing an unhealthy situation back into balance. But they have to watch out for those who would take advantage of their natures and put them in subservient roles. Finding the courage to place the highest value on what they offer can take a lifetime for some Virgo. So, given their qualities, Virgo are much more effective in subordinate rather than leadership positions. Responsibility irks them and they often lack the breadth of strategic vision that leadership requires. They are essentially tacticians and excel at the attainment of limited objectives: needing the stimuli of immediacy and prestige attendant to specialization. Romantically Speaking: The self-contained nature of the Virgo (Virgin) Sun sometimes makes them all the more alluring: someone who will always be whole and complete unto themselves. And this can make them seem unattainable.
Once in a relationship, the Sun in Virgo finds comfort in the routines of daily life. A Virgo who has established a wholesome daily routine is far easier to live with than one that hasn't. And known as loners – there is a physical sensitivity associated with Virgo that could be called high maintenance – they will need plenty of “me” time to maintain their sense of self. But, when they’ve found a worthy mate, they revel in the patterns and habits of togetherness and can begin to relax into the beauty of the familiar. Artists
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33. "WATER" |
 KEYWORDS Intuitive and Emotional
Imaginative and Nurturing
Secretive and Dreamy
Introverted The ‘Emotional’ Water Signs are intuitive, sensitive and empathetic. How things feel is what matters to these nurturers and they base their actions on sense, rather than on logic or intellect. Attuned to waves of emotion, these natives have a built-in sonar for reading a mood that affords them a special sensitivity in relationships. Because the receptive talents of these individuals are so remarkably high, they seem to know when to show warmth and when to hold back. Compassionate and understanding, Water Sign natives are extraordinarily adept at assimilating the feelings of others, processing them and offering plans or solutions that will usually be considerate of all. So, at their best, they are a healing force that brings people together.
But, because Water natives are often assessing a situation by its undercurrents, they can seem aloof or even shy at first. And going forward in a relationship or situation often means being sure of their emotional ground: a kind of decision-making process that is baffling to more spontaneous or practical types. That's why those with this Sign are so quickly shaped by their relationships to others and often have to work harder than do the natives of other Elements to maintain their personal boundaries. They need time alone to remember where they end and others begin and to let what's been stirred up by the push and pull of life find its way to a quiet calm again. These are people who need people but who also need the restorative balm of solitude. Water natives often translate their sense of the world artistically. Some find release from their own personal dramas when they're able to express them as universal. As writers, musicians and actors they help others make sense of the human experience. But this also happens in everyday life: Water Signs soften the blunt edges of the mundane by cushioning it with emotional meaning. They covet aesthetic beauty -- and for everyone to be happy as a result of it. However, much like still water can become stagnant, inactive Water Signs are not at their best. They feel most fulfilled when they are helping others, and they usually do so in enchanting ways. Seeing things more clearly than others, and feeling them more acutely than do the natives of other Signs, they are frequently referred to as ‘psychic’. But these insights are easily clouded by the intensity of their feelings or altered by their vivid imaginations. Also on the flip side of this fluid Element is the tendency of these individuals to brood. Susceptible to mood swings, at their worst they can become self-indulgent, controlling – able to manipulate and drain the emotions of those closest to them – and hostage to a fantasy world.
 THE CANCER PROFILE Positive Traits
Nurturing and Sensuous
Intuitive and Imaginative
Shrewd and Tenacious
Sensitive and Empathetic Negative Traits
Changeable and Moody
Self-Absorbed and Clinging
Subjective and Clannish
Neurotic and Needy Cancer’s emotions are as changeable as the Moon itself and their nature makes them something of an enigma, even to those closest to them. In fact, the Cancer temperament is a veritable kaleidoscope of waxing and waning feelings and during the course of a conversation, you may notice – passing fleetingly across the faces of July-born – scores of distinctively different emotions: no one ever repeated or expressed in exactly the same way. Quite simply, Cancer exude drama and these extraordinarily emotional individuals can sink into a mood and fully inhabit it, so that it seems to permeate the atmosphere around them. No other Sign has so pervasive an emotional aura as to either lift your spirits to ecstatic heights or to fill you with clouds of gloom, depending upon his mood. Moreover, the Cancer imagination is so vivid that it’s like they’re watching home movies inside their heads. For them, every life experience can be replayed again and again and the same internal landscape revisited. This is the raw material for both creative genius and the tendency to get stuck in emotional eddies. These natives love to dream of far-away places and times past and will talk about historical events as if they were actually there. Most Cancer have a special reverence for the past, and if you ask them to tell you whom of all people they admire most, they'll most often rattle off the names of several prominent historical figures. The idiom “home is where the heart is” has no greater ring of truth than when describing how the Cancer feels about his abode. Home is where he dreams, lives, plays and loves. And it is the only place he feels secure. But, because they're psychic sponges, they need plenty of space to unravel the little dramas of the day, or they’ll get cranky. And Cancer has a tender heart. But you might not see it at first behind the cool exterior. However, once you’re allowed inside the circle of trust, you’ll start to know why they’re called the “Mother” of the Zodiac. Cancer is never truly happy unless they have someone or something to care for and their innate understanding of human emotion allows them to see through the pretenses of other Signs and lend encouragement, support or sympathy when needed. Both men and women of this Sign have an instinctive nurturing side that endears them to those they love and it is amazing to discover how many July-born have acquired the appendage – ‘good ol'– to their names. The Crab’s claws hold tight, though, and often they have trouble letting go of relationships and situations. But there is a private, reclusive side to every Cancer. Because of their extreme emotional sensitivity, they fear ridicule and would rather retreat than defend themselves. And there is always lurking in the background of their personalities a foreboding of disaster. As if upon some hidden cue, the Crab can suddenly retreat into the watery burrows of his inner consciousness and not be seen for days. Try and question him about his absence and he'll probably not know what you're talking about. However, if Cancer can reconcile the personal conflict of their urge to be outgoing with the reserve that causes them to withdraw into themselves, then at best they can inspire a generation, especially the youthful part of it, by their idealism. They also have a penchant for trade or business and are often successful as a captain of industry. This is because they are excellent organizers with a good sense of value and economy that they may combine with a flair for invention and originality. Take Note: The stealth approach of Cancer often takes people by surprise, and many have been underestimated. They’ll protect their sensitivity by going after what they want indirectly, which can be seen as passive. But try to take advantage of their gentle nature, and you’ll soon be put in your place. Once crossed, the Cancer holds a grudge to infinity, so it’s hard to win back their trust. Romantically Speaking: Above all, the Cancer needs a sense of belonging and an intimate home life. Once committed, they’ll prove to be the ultimate family man or woman, and likely never stray too far from the nest.
THE SCORPIO PROFILEPositive Traits
Determined and Forceful
Intense and Intuitive
Formidable and Passionate
Exciting and Magnetic Negative Traits
Jealous and Vengeful
Compulsive and Obsessive
Secretive and Cunning
Manipulative and Obstinate Scorpio are the most profound and powerful characters in the Zodiac. There is a harnessed aggression, an immense forcefulness, magnetic attraction and often strangely hypnotic quality in their tranquil, but watchful, composure that can be intimidating. An outer mask of cool control belies a vast and often turbulent psychic interior. In a word, the Scorpio is intense, and works best in a crucible of pressure and uphill challenges. Without a sense of purpose, the darker emotions can take hold and lead them down the paths of obsession, jealousy and worse. In conventional social gatherings they are pleasant to be with, thoughtful in conversation, dignified, and reserved, yet affable and courteous. And in their everyday behavior they give the appearance of being withdrawn from the center of activity. Yet those who know them will recognize the ever-probing, ever-evaluating observation that is an integral component of their character. They intuitively take in everything around them and reveal very little in return. And don’t expect instant friendship here, as it takes time to win the trust of the wary Scorpio. Scorpio are deeply sensitive and easily moved by their emotions. And that sensitivity, together with a propensity for extreme likes and dislikes, make them easily hurt: quick to detect or imagine insult or injury to themselves and easily aroused to ferocious anger. And because they relate to their fellows only as leaders, they can be blunt to those they dislike to the point of cruelty. The Sun in Scorpio have a powerful drive to succeed and often have extracurricular activities that take it up a notch. They’re great competitors because of their built-in radar for the weaknesses of the opponent. They’ll remain calm until the exact moment when a targeted attack will do the most damage. That’s why in relationships of any kind they are a formidable enemy if betrayed. Fortunate that their strong reasoning powers are tempered with imagination and intuition and that these gifts are usually accompanied by critical perception and analytical capacity, Scorpio often find fulfillment in the ice-cold self-control and detachment of the surgeon or soldier and the concentration of the research scientist. And any profession in which investigation and analysis are relevant may attract these charismatic "twice-born" characters. They may also become masters of the written and spoken word. This Sun Sign includes among its natives more geniuses than does any other.
At the other extreme is the procrastinator: the man or woman who is capable of so much that they do nothing and become indolent and self-indulgent: requiring extravagant praise and flattery from those whom they make their cronies. Romantically Speaking: Those in a relationship with a Scorpio need to be strong-willed in order to keep from being controlled by their undertow. And never try to hide anything from them because they’ll quickly “read” it on your face. Moreover, Scorpio have earned a reputation for being highly sexual and need an amorous outlet for all that emotional intensity. However, to those few allowed into their private worlds they are fiercely loyal and their enveloping sensuality usually makes all the drama worth it.
THE PISCES PROFILEPositive Traits
Romantic and Sensitive
Compassionate and Idealistic
Imaginative and Unworldly
Intuitive and Creative Negative Traits
Escapist and Self-Indulgent
Secretive and Vague
Weak-willed and Gullible
Impressionable and Overwhelmed Pisceans are deservedly popular with all kinds of people in part because their easygoing, affectionate, malleable and submissive natures offer no threat or challenge to stronger and more exuberant characters. But they will not be able to maintain for very long friendships or associations with those who are too materialistic.
As the last of the twelve Zodiac Signs, Pisces is said to contain aspects of them all. This makes the Pisces Sun so changeable as to appear not to have one singular identity. It's as if they merely touch down in this human reality and remain only long enough to try on a few personas. Consequently, those with the Sun in Pisces can seem to be "somewhere else" half the time. And because their natures are often too otherworldly for practical purposes – they tend to exist emotionally rather than rationally and instinctively rather than intellectually – the nine-to-five life is not easy for them. So it is important for these individuals to find a sense of purpose in order to avoid just drifting: their sensitivity makes them more vulnerable to escapism through addictions or personal dramas than are other Signs. The challenge to Pisces natives, then, is to somehow integrate their affinity with the more subtle planes into constructive working relationships. Fortunately, Pisceans are usually versatile and intuitive; quickly master new skills; observe and listen well; and are receptive to new ideas and atmospheres. And all these factors can combine to produce remarkable creativity in literature, music and art. This is the sign of the mystic poet, and a creative pursuit gives Pisces the motivation to be disciplined. And bringing structure to the vast imagination and shades of emotion flowing within the Pisces nature is a great achievement. Similarly, in medicine and social work, Pisceans find an outlet for their empathy and mercy while their professional statures curb the likelihood of their being taken advantage of. And, if they're typical March-born, they are not elitists: saint, sinner, murderer, thief, liar, rich or poor - deserving or undeserving - the Piscean instinctively recognizes the worth of the individual and can overlook the apparent causes of their circumstances.
But the fact that the Pisces Sun leads with a compassionate heart can be both a blessing and a curse. Many are remarkably wise and self-sacrificing when it comes to helping the vulnerable or those down on their luck. But this noble trait can take them down a path of being used and abused before they learn to set strong boundaries and they are better working either by themselves or in subordinate positions. Most would be afraid to manage more than a small department, worrying always that they would fail in a crisis. Romantically speaking: Pisces fare well with a guiding-hand type who understands the fluidity of their nature. And life with a Pisces means having a bridge to unseen worlds of the heart and imagination. Awesome!
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34. "FIRE" |
KEYWORDS
Spontaneous and Energetic
Gregarious and Passionate
Self-centered and Dramatic
Instinctual and Visionary
The ‘Physical’ Fire Signs have a simmering at-the-ready stance and are prone to sudden illuminating flashes of insight and bursts of enthusiasm. There is about them a warm radiance, a trust in life's journey and a willingness to take risks. Infused with an emotional energy that can spread like wildfire to everyone around them, they sense a golden thread of destiny and potential running through their own lives and are often able to lead others to their own. But, it is important for them to have cheerleaders to fan the flames of their interests.
A Fire Sign is also an indicator of creativity. This Element manifests itself in unique ways, and those in its glow are usually wonderfully courageous, lively spirits: self-sufficient, spontaneous and possessing a tremendous zest for life. Strong, self-assured and fun, they're great catalysts for play and have a knack for unearthing the spontaneous side of those around them. Fire Signs act on instinct or "sixth sense," and that can make them look reckless to more cautious types. However, they're actually following a powerful intuition that keeps them at the leading edge of fresh experiences. But, although going on faith often gets them far, they have a tendency to skip crucial steps and to be unaware of the emotional impact of their actions on others. And because they are so very passionate about life and like to live large, Fire Signs often feel frustrated by mundane chores and duties. Too, Fire natives can be overly strident in getting their way. Call it bossy, even. These folks can come across rather forcefully. Selfishness and an overdeveloped ego can also be seen as part of a fiery individual's shadowy side.
THE ARIES PROFILEPositive Traits
Adventurous and Confident
Pioneering and Courageous
Enthusiastic and Straight-Forward
Dynamic and Quick-witted Negative Traits
Selfish and Dominating
Impulsive and Insensitive
Foolhardy and Quick-Tempered
Willful and Ruthless Adventurous, ambitious, impulsive, enthusiastic and full of energy, Aries is a trailblazer: open to new ideas and a lover of freedom. These individuals welcome opposition and will not be diverted from their purposes except by their own impatience or boredom. Gifted with a direct, fiery nature that puts them one step ahead of the crowd, the childlike enthusiasm of these entrepreneurs and revolutionaries is infectious, and their ability to rouse others' interest in a project or cause is unparalleled. They’ll often take charge of a situation and their sense of certainty usually makes others fall in line. But the Mars-ruled are initiators -- not perpetuators.
Often larger-than-life, they can light up a room with their charisma: they’re among the ones with the stamina to party ‘til dawn. But if a gathering, project or relationship begins to be dull they’ll quickly move on. The Sun in Aries craves excitement and their restless spirits are in constant pursuit of the next ‘big thing’.
Because their approach to life is somewhat simplistic, what Aries can accomplish without a lot of distracting nuances and complexities to slow him down is staggering. Don't, however, put them in a position where they'll have to deal with complicated emotions or with a problem requiring delicate handling or subtlety. They're simply not equipped for it.
And, much concerned with personal advancement and physical satisfaction (self-reliant but also self-centered), Aries do not work well under authority unless they, too, have subordinates. In fact, they may be too self-sufficient and proud to acknowledge they have a boss and often take matters into their own hands (disregarding authority absolutely). Ask an Aries how many times he's been fired, and he'll probably tell you more than once. And that is probably because, most of all, Aries – propelled by an inner drive that is a force to be reckoned with – wants to achieve great things and at times their rush to accomplish them can cause them to take unnecessary risks or to forge ahead without planning out crucial details. Some say the Sun in Aries learns the hard way: by leaping before looking. But, being an active Sign, the Aries does learn best through experience. In personal relationships Aries are frank, direct and candid: gregarious and generous friends. However, their immense energy can also make them aggressive and restless, argumentative, headstrong, quick-tempered and easily offended: of all the Zodiac’s natives, an Aries will most readily haul off and punch a nose.
And while an Aries is not the least bit calculating (in most instances, he'll simply tell it like it is before he's had a chance to think about the consequences), he does crave admiration and praise. So that while he won’t usually lie (in contradiction of his straightforward nature), he'll often exaggerate the truth in his own favor or simply in order to stamp it with his individuality. Intellectually, Aries are quick-witted, usually objective, and inspirationally optimistic: irreplaceable champions of lost causes and last-ditch stands. But they can also become extremists: foolhardy and dogmatic zealots whose enormous talents and vibrant personalities become a hindrance (if not a threat) to the welfare of the society in which they move.
Romantically Speaking: Aries is the Sign of the Warrior and sometimes they go too far and wound those they love with hurtful words spoken in the heat of an argument. They quickly forgive and forget, but they often have to deal with the fallout of their brusque demeanor. Moreover, these natives have minds that filter out the non-essentials and it is their clear sight that helps them make such rapid progress in life: so, once fixed on a goal, they’ll move forward with a single-minded determination that threatens to leave those close to them in the dust. But if you’re a match for such an amped-up spirit, you’ll never forget being pulled along by the power of this dynamic personality.
 THE LEO PROFILE Positive Traits
Generous and Affectionate
Exuberant and Colorful
Broadminded and Theatrical
Proud and Vivacious Negative Traits
Pompous and Patronizing
Overbearing and Provocative
Dogmatic and Intolerant
Selfish and Egotistical At first, it’s hard not to like those with the Sun in Leo with their open hearted, friendly ways. They often enter a room as a radiant presence that causes everyone to take notice, and are skilled at “working” a crowd for best effect. As a friend, they have a gift for mining your buried dream, polishing it to a shine again, and making anything seem possible. And there is a public confidence with the Leo Sun that affords them free reign to fully express their creative and social selves. Whether they end up in civil service or on a Broadway stage, chances are they’ll have an audience. When standing proudly before adoring fans (or co-workers), they project a warmth that has a palpable power to win hearts and minds. It is a Leo’s birthright to lead, and they'll naturally assume that role without being asked. However, if that authority is questioned, they may abandon a project entirely. Outgoing, spontaneously warm-hearted and plain-spoken (but poor judges of character), Leo are more disillusioned than the average if let down by those they trust. And, since Leo simply can't function if they're not in a position to lead, they'll brood until that status has been reinstated. However, even after they discover that they've been duped or abandoned, most Leos are too big about it – or too proud – to retaliate. Because they are usually incapable of actions that are in any way mean, base or underhanded, they have difficulty in recognizing those traits in others. In activities where these lower qualities are essential for success, the majority of Leo tend not to succeed.
And because they see a project in its grandest perspective, Leo natives have a disdain for details: their chief attribute in any group situation is the unique capacity for the overall manipulation of resources to produce a desired result. So it is not surprising that more wealth is found under Leo than under any other Sun Sign. On the whole they are powers for good, for they are strongly idealistic, humane, and beneficent. They have a powerful intelligence and are of a broad philosophical, sometimes religious, turn of mind. Those who are devout may be very obstinate in upholding traditional beliefs and will cling tenaciously, but with complete sincerity, to practices and doctrines that liberal thinkers regard as absurdly out-of-date. However, a Leo’s faults can be as large in scale as are his virtues and an excessively negative Leo can be a very unpleasant human being. These Leos will not hesitate to use cunning, lies and trickery to discredit their adversaries. Narcissism, greed for flattery, bombast, pomposity and snobbish superiority can also be characteristic of Leo.
Romantically Speaking; The Sun in Leo has a hard time with the mundane, and will be drawn to colorful careers and dramatic relationships. While some people shrink at the idea of dating around, the Leo considers romance a grand game. And it’s not unusual for these natives to play more than one game at a time. Too, after getting to know a Leo, you’ll discover that they’re very loyal: to themselves. You can come up against severe resistance if you try to bend the will of a Leo for the sake of a relationship. Their reputation for being ‘diva-difficult’ is well-earned. But, because so many of them grab the gusto and achieve their lofty goals, in the end their stubborn self-regard usually elicits widespread respect.
THE SAGITTARIUS PROFILEPositive Traits
Optimistic and Freedom-loving
Curious and Sporting
Good-humored and Straightforward
Expansive and Philosophical Negative Traits
Blindly-optimistic and Careless
Irresponsible and Superficial
Flippant and Promiscuous
Tactless and Restless Sagittarius have a positive outlook on life and are full of enterprise, energy, versatility and adventure: eager to extend experience beyond the physically familiar. They delight in travel and exploration: Sagittarius are genuinely intrigued by foreign cultures and even when their finances preclude traipsing the globe Sagittarius travel in their minds. And their bright, cheerful demeanors can be disarming. It’s an uncomplicated style that invites you to drop your defenses, too, and just “be.” This makes for a fun friend who knows all the best ethnic restaurants and will be more than happy to stay out ‘til the wee hours. Ambitious and optimistic (even when their hopes are dashed), their strongly idealistic natures are able to withstand disappointments without being affected. They are usually honorable, honest, trustworthy, truthful, generous and sincere (with a passion for justice). They are characteristically on the side of the underdog and are prepared to be rebellious.
Non-conformists, Sagittarius hate being bound to rigid social confines or pigeonholed into strict routines that don't give them plenty of breathing room. Even more than physical restrictions, they'll loathe mental confinement. Sagittarius have both profound and broad minds: equipped with foresight, good judgment and keen intuition. As a result, they are often fascinating conversationalists and correspondents. Think Mark Twain. Think Sagittarius. Known, too, for their spontaneous philosophical ramblings, these natives don’t seem to get bogged down in emotional complexities. So those who love them may wish for more depth: more feeling. And there are times when they are shockingly blunt. It’s unnerving to be the target of a direct hit. But that same tactless personality can be a beacon of light in confusing times. Leave it to a Sagittarius to step into a messy tangle and sum up the situation with blinding clarity. They’ll be willing to speak the truth when all others hide in confusion. This makes them invaluable friends who can guide you back to a clear path when you need honesty rather than enabling. And in a curious twist of fate, Sagittarius, who are often accused of clumsiness, are also credited with extraordinary grace and coordination when engaged in purposeful physical activity: most particularly sports and dance. In everyday activities, however, the Sagittarian can be surprisingly less dignified. Though the December-born athlete may break the record for high jump, he'll stumble over his shoelaces walking onto the field. Sagittarius are much more adept at adapting than inventing and are at their best when working with colleagues whose talents compliment, rather than compete with, their own. But Sagittarius can sometimes be exacting, domineering and inconsiderate in the work place: scorning the inadequacies of others while expecting fulsome recognition of their own skills and effort. Moreover, they can be (and frequently are) impulsively angry. And, when angry, both male and female Sagittarians can be vicious: employing with precision those words or actions that will most severely wound their adversary. On the other hand, they are magnanimous in forgiving offenses and quick to make amends for their own intemperance. Romantically Speaking: The same notable physicality that attracts Sagittarius to vigorous athletics and bold travel-adventures often extends to their intimate relationships and their flexible, lusty, anything-goes attitude can cause them to take a walk on the wild side. So, the ideal partner for them is above all a friend and a partner in life’s great adventure who understands the needs of a true free spirit. However, more apt then the average to make an uncongenial alliance, their innate restlessness (which, if excessive, often jeopardizes more than their own stability) will often compel them to use even the most satisfying ménage as a base from which to … depart. Artists
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35. "AIR" |
 KEYWORDS
Intellectual and Innovative
Conceptual and Analytical
Curious and Social
Cerebral and Detached The gift of Air is flexibility and its natives’ ability to experience life through many prisms. Air Signs use their minds to make sense of their lives and for them there is more space between the life lived and the observing mind than is so with other Signs. So, to others, these individuals can appear detached, aloof, remote and cool: they’ll often attempt to talk their way through feelings – or to analyze a situation – rather than deal with the full emotional weight of the moment. Critical thinkers who handle abstract reasoning well, the ‘Intellectual’ Air Signs love to probe and synthesize. Have a dilemma? Hand it over to an Air Sign and watch them go to work. And the distance between these masters of cultural navigation and their own emotions can be refreshing. These are extremely social creatures – their curiosity keeps them ever- mingling – and their currency is their ability to link diverse social groups or individuals with their often extraordinary collections of ideas, obscure facts, gossip and knowledge. Drawn to words, many Air natives become professional storytellers, interpreters and journalists who provide the rest of us with astute commentary on the cultural trends, social attitudes and political consciousness of our times. Others of them – especially Aquarius – have a more conceptual way of thinking. Almost without exception, however, all of these alert, curious and perceptive individuals are very communicative and the world as seen by an Air Sign will be an interesting one – as their analysis and subsequent explanation (hopefully in terms we can understand) will indicate. Talking with an inspired Air Sign can be like skipping through a kind of virtual reality full of detail, specificity and local color. Moreover, the Element usually manifests itself in a most humane way: objective, cooperative, unprejudiced (and often highly idealistic), most actually do ‘want to help make a better world’. And, leading with their heads, these observers of the human scene are the ‘idea’ people who, from their loftier viewpoint, are often able to offer it a fresh perspective of its problems and an innate clarity of vision that is rare among the natives of other Signs. However, these inventive and clever individuals will insist upon considering all sides of an equation before they decide on a course of action. And, because Air Signs are especially vulnerable to the excesses of our mind-body split, balance is of paramount importance to them. So that while Air natives are usually calm and collected, they can – and frequently do – turn bitterly cold if their equilibrium is upset. A word to the wise: there's little upside to baiting an Air Sign!
 THE LIBRA PROFILE Positive Traits
Diplomatic and Urbane
Romantic and Charming
Easy-going and Sociable
Idealistic and Fair-minded Negative Traits
Indecisive and Changeable
Gullible and Easily-influenced
Flirtatious and Self-indulgent
Passive and Co-dependent Ruled by the planet Venus, Libra are the very personification of refinement and affection, endearing you with their genteel manner and melting your heart with their ingratiating smiles. Those with the Sun in Libra have an easy grace and charm that is truly enviable. Many have soothing voices that are easy on the ears. And they love to talk. They’re at their very best when their gift for communication is put to a high-minded purpose, and, noted for their ability to harmonize conflicted situations – the Libra personality attracts the revelations, confidences, gossip and trust of others like a magnet – they thrive in calm, aesthetically pleasing environments. But don't let all that sugar and spice fool you. Libra are easily upset by the chaos of life and then the October-born can be as quarrelsome, as irritable and as intractable as any Sign in the Zodiac.
These are very social human beings. It’s difficult – even unnatural – for Libra to “go it alone”. More than any other Sign, they function best in “people” environments. At a party, you’ll find that Libra is the one playing host or hostess – no matter whose house it is – and looking fabulously at ease: they have a very artful way of serving cocktails and scintillating ideas with equal aplomb. Libra loathe cruelty, viciousness and vulgarity. And they detest overt conflict. So they do their best to cooperate and compromise with everyone around them. Their ideal for their own circle (and for society as a whole) is unity. And their cast of mind is artistic rather than intellectual: many Libra are drawn to creative fields, since their eye for beauty is often quite refined. Libra is symbolized by the Scales of Balance, and just as a set of scales will teeter back and forth before achieving a new balance, Libra will vacillate to and fro between extremes: mental, emotional or physical. When the Libra does make a decision, however, you can probably bank on its integrity. The polar opposite of subjective Aries, the Libra is quite capable of objective judgment: irrespective of his own tastes, mores, philosophies or preferences. And even though Libra take a lot of heat for being indecisive, they make up for it with an idealism that has the power to change their world. Perhaps this is why there are more judges born under Libra than under any other Sun Sign and why the Scales have come to represent our system of justice. However, once they have reached a conclusion Libra will not tolerate a divergent opinion: among their faults is an impatience of criticism and a greed for approval. Moreover, the negative Libra character may show frivolity, flirtatiousness and shallowness. It can be changeable and indecisive, impatient of routine, colorlessly conventional and timid, easygoing to the point of inertia and inappropriately docile: yet Libra can shock everyone around them with sudden, and inexplicable, storms of rage. The Libra flair for tact and diplomacy is unparalleled in the Zodiac. And in business and diplomatic relations, the Libra is able (far more often than not) to accomplish what he desires without destroying relationships that could be valuable to him in the future. Great venture partners, they relish bouncing ideas off other people and eagerly contribute their talents to committed teams. But the ease with which they pursue any argument can sometimes make you wonder where the Libra really stands. Nothing irritates these natives' harmonizing intellect more than one-dimensional thinking. So, if they think your line of reasoning is too pat or simplistic, they'll purposely take the opposing view. And while 'Lazy Libra' is a common phrase - the same languid style that puts everyone in a relaxed mood can lead to self-indulgence and a passive attitude toward life – those who would casually ascribe laziness to the October-born have never seen them in their more productive mode. Once they have committed themselves to a goal, Libra can become powerhouses: using their well-ordered intellects to accomplish in leaps and bounds tasks that might encumber other Signs. The trouble is that in planning any endeavor they can get so lost in the endless labyrinth of strategies, factors and options which have to be weighed and evaluated by their logical minds that Libra’s procrastination can give you the best portrayal of laziness you've ever seen.
Romantically Speaking: The Sun in Libra has a natural gift for being the ideal in the eyes of their beloved. And that is because they’re so instinctively aware of what it is the other wants and needs them to be. So, while some Libras end up losing their sense of self in the process, a more romantic, devoted partner is hard to find.
 THE AQUARIUS PROFILE Positive Traits
Friendly and Humanitarian
Progressive and Pioneering
Original and Inventive
Eccentric, Independent and Intellectual
Negative Traits
Intractable and Dogmatic
Perverse and Unpredictable
Unemotional and Detached
Isolated The Sun in Aquarius has been called the “rebel” of the Zodiac because of their total commitment to their unique vision. They’re uncompromisingly anchored in their own lives and grant that same autonomy to others. And, because Aquarius instinctively appreciate diversity and have a sustaining confidence in their own convictions, they are extremely tolerant of the behaviors and opinions of others. So, with an innate sense that everyone should “do their own thing”, Aquarius often seem to be detached – and friendly – at the same time.
Noted for their altruistic and progressive natures, Aquarius possess strong-willed, forceful and attractive personalities that present themselves as one or the other of two core types: the first shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the second exuberant, lively and exhibitionist. Both types are humane, frank, serious-minded, genial, refined and often ethereal and idealistic. The last quality, however, is tempered with a sensible practicality.
So, while the Aquarian nature is known as eccentric, that is only because it follows that personal golden thread of inspiration to the limits. Another name for this could be genius, since it pushes out into the road less traveled and then goes yet further. And while this sometimes leads to great achievement, there’s always a chance that it can also lead to isolation. However, quick, active and persevering (usually interacting with others with reason, moderation and good humor), the native’s distain for the status quo – unlike the social activism of Sagittarius or the overt revolt of Aries – is most usually held in check by a quiet optimism: that things, given time and patient crusade, will improve. Rather, his more subtle rebellion most usually manifests itself in unconventional dress or grooming, erratic behaviors and wry (devastating) sarcasm. Too, despite the magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the extrovert Aquarius and the humanistic traits of both types, neither makes friends readily. They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted condescending and cold. Even in the intimate companionship that they instinctively seek, they are fiercely independent. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. But once they decide that another is worthy of their friendship, Aquarius are tenacious and extraordinarily loyal compatriots. However, if they are deceived their anger is terrible. And if disillusioned (usually because their own idealism causes them to demand more of others than is reasonable) Aquarius do not forgive. Aquarius work most effectively within a group environment provided that they are recognized as having a leading role in the project. They’re tuned into a different frequency, and have a vast mindscape that seems to make them self-sufficient. In other words, they’re happy to spend time alone. Yet as a sign of paradoxes, the Aquarius is also drawn to groups and “communities.” Able to quickly identify the undercurrents of gatherings, they are adept at helping people act together to accomplish a goal. They’re usually at the forefront of a cause: often before it becomes safe or fashionable. Aquarius have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists: most especially astronomers and natural historians. These are the ones with a faraway look, most likely thinking brilliant and futuristic thoughts. Their minds seem to roam the outer edges of what is possible, and many of them make the impossible a reality as pioneers in science and technology. And their quirky, wholly original take on life gives them an edge should they venture into the Arts. The Aquarius talent for mimicry and parody serves them well as character actors or comedians. Their avant-garde tendencies are often expressed in writing (most usually poetry), public service broadcasting and musical innovation. And their altruism may find its voice in welfare fields or education. Romantically Speaking: The Aquarius remains a sovereign being who needs an intellectual rapport to sustain a romance. An ideal mate inhabits a parallel universe and from it is able to accept the physical and mental distances that the Aquarius personality imposes. And it is often very surprising to see how much love can grow in the space between two people.
THE GEMINI PROFILEPositive Traits
Adaptable and Versatile
Eloquent and Witty
Intellectual and Engaging
Charming, Youthful and Lively
Negative Traits
Nervous and Restless
Superficial and Inconsistent
Cunning and Duplicitous
Rumor-Mongering Gemini, the Sign of the Twins, is dual-natured, elusive, complex and contradictory. To them, life is a game that must always be full of fresh moves and continuous entertainment and free of labor and routine. Charmers and clowns, they often wear a silly grin that seems to say that they get the cosmic joke that all is, after all, well: it’s really okay to sample everything from the smorgasbord of life. And, since they’re always finding something absurd to giggle over, you might hear the laughter of Gemini Suns before you see them. They’re great wits and their interest in people often thrusts them into the role of social ice breaker. Their good qualities are attractive and come easily to them. They are affectionate, courteous, kind, generous, and thoughtful - provided none of the activities resulting from expressing these traits interferes too greatly with their own lives and comforts. And in social situations, even at their worst they are never dull - there is usually playfulness below the surface and they can be exhilarating conversationalists. However, often referred to as the dilettante of the Zodiac because they’ll try anything once and usually do, the Gemini needs to be able to reinvent himself many times and to follow the threads of inspiration wherever they lead. And that innate quality can make these natives seem restless and inconsistent. So, although Gemini may be hard to pin down and a bit challenging to deal with, if you can accept the shape-shifting nature of their personalities, they make excellent friends.
But be warned that like chameleons, they absorb and reflect every change in their environment and can become pessimistic, sullen, peevish and self-centered prattlers, boasters, liars and cheats if circumstances force them to struggle in any way.
Gemini have a keen and intuitive intelligence. They love cerebral challenges and though they dislike the labor of learning, their mental agility, energy and insatiable curiosity afford them a voracious appetite for knowledge. Many Gemini become veritable walking encyclopedias. And if a Gemini finds a subject worthy of his incredible kaleidoscopic mind, these individuals have the capacity to become masters of an art or science.
So, although their intellect is strongly analytical and sometimes gives them so great an ability to see both sides of a question that they vacillate and find it hard to make decisions, their cleverness and ingenuity may also very well be used to control and unify the duality of their natures into a most efficient unit. If faced with difficulties, they have little determination to worry at a problem until they find a solution - they will pick the brains of others.
Any work that combines quick-wittedness with a change of surroundings suits Gemini. They are often skilled manipulators of language and are usually very successful diplomats, academics, authors, poets, journalists and lawyers (albeit they are more brilliant than profound and more interested in theory than in practice). And any and every sales venue is, of course, sweet home to them. Romantically Speaking: The Gemini knows that the world is vast and full of endless fascinations to explore and so they need an intellectual rapport with their mate. The ideal companions for them are individuals who think at their same speed of light. They need a certain kind of space to grow, and those who do manage to stay close to Gemini don’t try to hold on too tightly. Because, if the door of a relationship is open for them to come and go at will, they’ll usually, over time, prove their own brand of faithfulness.
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37. "Room Service!" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-03-09 AT 00:13 AM (EST)Everyone have their robes on? Good!
First, because check-in can be hectic and some things may have been lost in the shuffle, some reminders: You’ll find explanations/definitions of the terms (including ‘Mode’ and ‘Role’) used throughout the house in the Welcome at the top of the thread … under Housekeeping.
The Chart that tracks the performance of the two sets of Elements (Earth and Water – Fire and Air) vis-à-vis Survivor’s casting schemes (S-1 through S-18) is in Post 1. The Chart is arranged with the Balanced Seasons (those cast without a numerical bias) at the top, the Seasons with a Majority of Earth and Water Signs in the middle and the Seasons with a Majority of Fire and Air Signs at the bottom.
The Chart that tracks the performance of the twelve Sun Signs (S-1 through S-18) is in Post 2. But keep in mind that this Chart is the broad view: how the individual Signs fare in the Game very much depends upon how an individual Season was cast.
The Profiles of the Elements and Signs and the names of their natives who played the Game before and in Samoa are located in Post 32 (Earth – Capricorn, Taurus and Virgo), Post 33 (Water – Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces), Post 34 (Fire – Aries, Leo and Sagittarius), and Post 35 (Air – Libra, Aquarius and Gemini). A Tribal Chart that utilizes Astrology’s traditional classifications (including the Modes) is located in Post 28. That Post also contains Moon Sign data for Samoa’s cast. And, so that all of the traditional material will be in one place, this morning (in a reply to that Post) I’ve added a Chart that tracks the Modes performances from S-1 through S-18.
The thread also contains a fascinating discussion of Astrology’s (in general) and my Charts’ (in particular) validity as a spoiling tool that I hope hasn’t ended (I owe Michel a reply) and some conjecture regarding S-20. I also owe OFG a reply regarding her reservations about my ‘Roles’. But, before another Tribal Council becomes history, I’ve brought the remainder of the Charts that I think that we’ll need. Until the Merge … So, the Post directly below this one contains Charts that track the Elements and Signs through only those Seasons that were cast with an Earth and Water Majority. I’ll be back later about the Betsy thing. Note the Sign that (surprisingly) is most likely to reach F-10 in those Seasons.
Below it is the Post that contains a Chart of the Roles performance (S-1 through S – 18) and a Tribal Chart that utilizes those non-traditional divisions (so that I’ll have something to talk about … ) And speaking of tonight:
Jaison and Russell H. are Libra. Libra is the Sign of diplomats and jurists (more judges are born under the Sign than under any other). In other words, it is a Sign that is at its best when exerting an amazing ability to attract and influence – Earl (an Aries Sun with a Libra Moon) said “I want them all coming to me” – rather than when attempting to, usually badly, gather and lead. And that’s why Libra is an Octopus this Season …
It is also why it would probably be wise for everyone else in the Game to remember Thomas Jefferson’s (an Aries) words about the Justices of the newly-minted Supreme Court:
"This member of the Government was at first considered as the most harmless and helpless of all its organs. But it has proved that the power of declaring what the law is, ad libitum, by sapping and mining slyly and without alarm the foundations of the Constitution, can do what open force would not dare to attempt." -- Thomas Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:114 ETA: Links
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38. "The Elements and Signs of Samoa" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-15-09 AT 01:10 AM (EST) You’ve probably noticed that the Chart above is merely an isolation of the middle section (the Majority –Earth and Water Seasons) of the Elements of Survivor Chart located in Post 1 – with Samoa added. And I hope that its story is easy to follow: The first column names those Seasons. The second column expresses (in percentages) the numerical – and thus the social – advantage that the Earth and Water Signs inherited when the Season was cast. The next eight columns track that advantage from Final 10 through Final 3. For instance, in Palau the number of the Majority Earth and Water natives remaining in the Game at Final 8 was 5 and the number of the Minority Fire and Air natives left in the contest was 3. Note: there is no column for Final 2 because, while in some Seasons its numbers were the result of a Tribal Council vote, in others they were determined by a Jury. And those are two very different (apples and oranges) dynamics. The final column displays the Elements that produced the Season’s Sole Survivor. And in six of the seven Seasons the winner was a member of the Earth and Water Majority. The record of the Majority-Fire and Air Seasons is similar. A native of the Majority has won five of those six Games. So, as I said way back up there somewhere, it is very probable – 87% -85%-probable – that this Season’s winner will be an Earth or Water native. And I do consider those numbers meaningful … When the Season began, those eleven Earth and Water natives were:
Brett and Kelly (Earth – Capricorn)
Mick, Natalie and Shambo (Earth – Taurus)
Ben and Yasmin (Earth – Virgo)
Monica (Water – Cancer)
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Ashley, Betsy and Mike (Water – Pisces). Attrition has pared that list to seven: Brett and Kelly (Earth – Capricorn)
Mick, Natalie and Shambo (Earth – Taurus)
Monica (Water – Cancer)
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Ashley (Water – Pisces)And, down at F15 seven-to-eight, the Earth and Water Signs’ casting advantage has evaporated. However, I am going to be patient. The Earth and Water Signs went into the Final 10 in Gabon tied with the Fire and Air Signs. And they were tied again at Final 8 and Final 6. But, by the Final 3 they were up 3 - 0. The truth is, though, that I can’t see any one of the seven Earth and Water natives left in the Game as Samoa’s Sole Survivor … yet. And a major contributor to that blind spot is JP’s comments in the Canwest interview. Because, in it, Jeff seems to be trying to accomplish two things when he discusses the question of Samoa’s Sole Survivor:
1. Dispel the impression that there was/is a casting trend that produced two ‘nice’ winners in a row by dismissing Bob’s (Water -Pisces) and J.T.’s (Water - Cancer) back-to-back victories in Gabon and Tocantins as coincidental and virtually promising a different sort of Sole Survivor in Samoa. 2. Buttress the impression that someone-other-than-‘nice’ wins in Samoa by – almost – promising that Russell (Air - Libra) is that someone else: "This season, we have one of our most dastardly guys ever. One of the greatest villains in our history. And this is our 19th season. He's had to beat a lot of people. And somebody like that could still theoretically win the game, if they pulled a Richard Hatch … "Nobody does that anymore," Probst said. "Nobody gets up and says, 'I kicked you’re a ..; now give me the money.'"
Enter another contributor: Missy’s spoilers. Echoing Jeff, she indicates that Russell will, indeed, be there at the end of Samoa and that he will make the “Richard” argument before the Jury: But, like Jeff, she stops short of saying that he wins the Game:
“I think the egos of the jury will have a lot to do with how they vote. If they hold a grudge, I think it will be hard for Russell to win. If they appreciate strategic moves, he would have a good shot.
Keep in mind, I have been told his strategy about this is sorta like Mike Tyson - if I knock you out, I am champ because I beat you.” Finally, re-enter JP with this comment in his latest Blog:
“Russell and Natalie – in the final? Possible for sure. Probable? No. Russell is actually starting to seem like a parody of himself. Every time he talks I see Mike Myers with his pinkie in the side of his mouth.” And, I’ll – almost – echo Jeff:
Will Russell win the Game in Samoa? That’s certainly possible. Yul (Air – Aquarius) won in The Cooks. Is it probable that he will? No, it isn’t. Samoa is an Earth and Water-dominant Season.
But, having said that – and putting aside the question of whether or not Russell and Natalie are “in the final” for the moment – I’ve come full circle and am still left with another:
Given that Probst used the possibility of Russell’s win to encourage the belief that a personality other-than-'nice' was the Sole Survivor of Samoa and has now cast doubt on that possibility, should we now expect a naughty (arguably/potentially Brett, Kelly, Monica or Mick), or nice (arguably/potentially Ashley, Natalie or Shambo) Earth or Water native to be this Season’s winner?
Note: Beginning in this Season’s opening Post, I’ve commented several times on the undercurrent of controversy swirling around the show’s casting. In that first post, I’ve quoted Billy Garcia:
‘Lynne Spillman is showing her recruits favoritism. Basically, if she recruited you the first time then you’re in S20. If you auditioned with someone else, or were someone else's recruit, you're out or not even asked! S20 seems to be a power play behind the scenes. The scuttlebutt is that Jeff Probst wants more stroke to call shots or he may just walk. It's not about money! Lynne Spillman is hooking up too many of her friends at the expense of the show and Jeff is not cool with it.’
‘Spillman's being accused by some of the old-schoolers here – at Discovery Beach Restaurant’s Survivor Florida Party 2009 – of stacking the deck in recent seasons to help her recruits get farther so that she looks good to CBS. The old-schoolers (myself included) are worried that S20 is gonna be the worst case of that yet cause they are all gonna be her recruits and she can just surround her favorites with the right people!’
In Post 27 (addressed to OFG), I’ve included a chart that illustrates a recent, distinct departure from the historic rhythm of its casting schemes.
And in Post 3, I’ve said:
‘You’re Lynne Spillman. In eighteen Seasons, you’ve managed a remarkably evenhanded distribution of thrills and agonies among 83% of your audience. And it may be that there is just nothing you can do for its Taurus and Gemini members. But … The gender gap is at 7 – 11 and you’ve just done back-to-back Earth and Water- dominant Seasons followed by a toss-up in Tocantins that together produced three everyman - 'nice' - Earth and Water winners: Parvati cleaned up well. However, the segment of the audience that prefers its Sole Survivors a bit edgier is getting, well, edgy.’
And I do think that there is a connection between the controversy – audience reaction – and JP’s on-again/off-again suggestion of an other-than-'nice' winner in the person of Russell Hantz. His Canwest comments were made before Samoa began airing. And I think that Russell (particularly because he follows close on Coach’s heels) wasn’t what even the Peoria crowd that prefers edgier winners had in mind.
Next, something new:
 The Signs of Survivor Chart in Post 2 is the broad view of the performances of the twelve Sun Signs in all eighteen of the show’s completed Seasons. For instance: Leo (Fire/Fixed/Superior) has appeared twenty-seven times in the completed Seasons of Survivor.
Sixteen (59%) of its natives who began the Game reached the Final 10.
Six (22%) reached the Final 4. Five (19%) reached the Final 3.
And two (7%)became the Sole Survivor of their Season. The Chart just above, however, is the first that I’ve done that is specific to a current Season and its casting scheme. So, the first column contains the names of the Signs appearing in S19; the number of the Signs’ natives who have played the Game in the seven completed Majority-Earth and Water Seasons; and the names of the Signs’ natives present in Samoa. I’ve checked off the names of the Season’s Survivors who’ve left the Game. Note: Gemini and Scorpio are missing because there are no natives of those Signs playing the Game this Season. The remaining columns display the raw number and the percentage of the Signs’ natives who began the seven completed Earth and Water-dominant Seasons who subsequently reached the Final 10, Final 4, Final 3 and Final 1 (Sole Survivor). For instance:
Eight Leo (Fire/Fixed/Superior) have appeared in the seven completed Seasons with an Earth and Water Majority.
Six (75%) – and that is not a mathematical mistake or a typographical error – Leo reached the Final 10 in those Seasons.
But, only one (13%) reached the Final 4 and Final 3.
And no Leo was the Sole Survivor of an Earth and Water-dominant Season. Note: Although I had noticed the Earth and Water-dominant Seasons’ ‘Musical Chairs’ syndrome quite some time ago (and wrote about it in this post to Signs of Survival: Gabon), it still really surprised me to discover that Leo (who, over the Series eighteen completed Seasons, has sent only 59% of its natives to the Final 10) has been so successful in the tribal stage of Seasons with an Earth and Water Majority. But, I suspect that Leo’s early popularity in those Seasons has to do with its expansive, paternalistic style of leadership. Picture: Laura (Leo) conducting a Yoga session with an Aries (Erik) and Capricorn (Kelly) to her right and another Capricorn (Brett) to her left. Or picture: Russell (the quintessential Soloist in need of Superior cover) casting the lone vote for Marisa (Foa-Foa’s lone Leo and lone Superior) to ‘lead’ the Tribe. So, can we assume that if we draw a dividing line between the Signs that perform more – and less – effectively in a given stage of Earth and Water-dominant (or Fire and Air-dominant, or Balanced) Seasons that we will be looking at definitive lists of the individuals who will reach the Final 10, Final 4, Final 3 and Final 1 of their particular Season? I doubt it. But, I do think that, in the majority of those Seasons, we will certainly be looking at lists of the individuals most likely to reach those milestones. However, in Samoa , that line might come awfully close to defining its Final 10. Because if we draw it between the top four (55%+) Signs in that column and the six Signs that make up the 50% to 33%-pack beneath them, our list would include: Dave, John, Laura, Marisa, Brett, Kelly, Mick, Natalie, Shambo and Liz. And Missy’s Final 10 list would include: Dave, John, Laura, Brett, Kelly, Mick, Natalie, Shambo, Liz, Monica and Russell – minus one. Note: In the event that Missy’s information proves to be accurate, the worst-case Final 10 scenario for the Majority Earth and Water Signs is a 5-to-5 tie (shades of Gabon!) with the Minority Fire and Air Signs.
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10-15-09, 07:33 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: A State of the Signs ... of Sorts" |
The post above, and the two below, now contain updates
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39. "The Roles/Tribal Chart of Samoa" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-14-09 AT 07:53 AM (EST) I had intended to take some time here to offer my view of the differences and similarities between the traditional Modes and my own Roles and to review the first four Episodes of the Season vis-à-vis their starring Signs. For instance, I think of Episode 3 and the clash between the two Virgo – Ben and Yasmin – as ‘The Perfect Storm’. But, as usual, I’m running late. And, in this instance, I’m also very close to a 20,000-minute editing limit. So, I’ll just point out that Samoa has been brutal to both its Mutable and Subordinate populations. And that I'll post a new, updated Tribal Chart for Samoa featuring the traditional divisions and a revised Tribal Chart for S20 based on Missy’s information regarding that Season’s tribal alignments … up above. I'll post updated versions of the Signs and Tribal Charts (with Role divisions) for Samoa below, this evening. And I’ll add my thoughts regarding Episodes 1-4 to that post.
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