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"History shows us that Morgan will vote out a strong guy"
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"History shows us that Morgan will vote out a strong guy"
LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 12:03 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 10:36 AM (EST)

This is the 7th version of Survivor. In 4 prior versions, 1 team dominated the challenges in weeks 1 and 2. In each of these cases, the team that did well voted off a strong guy the first time they went to Tribal Counsel.

In Australia, Kel is voted off after his team wins the first 2 IC. In Africa, Carl is voted off after his team wins the first 2 IC. In Marquesa, Gabe is voted off first. Jed is voted off in Thailand

The teams that have early success seem to get cocky, and often regret the loss of the useful body later on. However, if past behavuior is able to show us anything, then the guys on Drake should be nervous the first time they go TC.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 That'd be Drake... nailbone 09-29-03 1
   RE: That'd be Drake... esquire 09-29-03 8
 RE: History shows us that Morgan wi... dabo 09-29-03 2
   RE: History shows us that Morgan wi... tamarama 09-29-03 4
 RE: History shows us that Drake wil... rose 09-29-03 3
 RE: History shows us that Morgan wi... Oscirus 09-29-03 5
   RE: History shows us that Morgan wi... Bebo 09-29-03 6
       RE: History shows us that Morgan wi... Oscirus 09-29-03 7

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09-29-03, 10:45 AM (EST)
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1. "That'd be Drake..."

...Morgan is the tribe that lost the first two IC's.


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09-29-03, 01:13 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: That'd be Drake..."
Oooops. Your right. I meant Drake
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2. "RE: History shows us that Morgan will vote out a strong guy"
Historically, the first tribe to go to TC tends to develop a game strategy for who they vote out (though it can be an entirely self-centered strategy as in the case of the Robfather in the Marquesas). The tribe which stays away from the first TC tends to develop a social agenda, and it is stronger the longer they stay away from TC.

Morgan is in game mode, failure to perform could be deadly for anyone there. At this point we have to wonder what the core group is in Morgan, that is the only mitigation for failure to perform.

As for Drake, the social agenda has set in, whoever has the least friends/most enemies is most in peril. Performance in camp and in challenges is a lesser issue for the Drake, the longer they cruise the more true this will become.

"If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")

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09-29-03, 11:17 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: History shows us that Morgan will vote out a strong guy"
That makes alot of sense Dabo --

Winning challenges is not the only reason for a tribe's first boot to be the weakest member -- it is also an easy decision to come by in a group of people that don't know each other & are just starting to sniff out alliances. Vote the weakest person (or biggest trouble maker) and almost no one will disagree with you.

However, Drake is no longer in that 'early' situation -- they DO know each other, and alliances are probably fairly jelled by now. They don't necessarily need to make the boot that requires little or no discussion. Heck, they've had arguments already, what's a little brouhaha about a boot?

But from the look of it, Drake seems to have the most social issues with the weakest member -- Jon.

Virtually all of the women and Rupert have commented on Jon being obnoxious -- and I doubt Shawn & Burton feel much different.

Plus, Jon clearly isn't as physical as, well, anyone else in the tribe. (He was wading several feet behind the rest of the tribe when bringing in the RC).

Although we really haven't been shown a whole lot of Drake dynamics (except for Rupert/Shawn), to me it looks like Jon is both the Social and the Strength choice for first boot.

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09-29-03, 11:04 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: History shows us that Drake will vote out a strong guy"
That would fit into my theory of Shawn being voted off...


For some reason, I see Shawn as a big target this week. I don't know if this is just because I don't want Rupert to go, or if it is based on instinct. His confessional counts jump in the second episode, and there is plenty of foreshadowing for him to leave in Episode 2; Weight loss reports on Rupert and Shawn- haven't heard much...
I just see Burton as having the tribe leadership position, with no real need for another a-male.. Christa's confessional seemed a real foreshadowing for me for Shawn to go... Maybe he lives up the the pu#$y remark during the IC, and poops out holding Michelle up, creating a domino effect in the line, and he is blamed?

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09-29-03, 11:28 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: History shows us that Morgan will vote out a strong guy"
It seems to me in all the versions but the first one the tribe who vote out one of their strong guys first went on to win it all

Survivor 2 Ogakor-Kel, Survivor 3 Boran-Clarence or silas,Survivor4-maramau-rob,survivor5-that preacher guy (sorry I couldn't remember his name or the tribes name)survivor 6 girls-Joanna interesting trend

nuff said

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09-29-03, 11:41 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: History shows us that Morgan will vote out a strong guy"
Survivor 3 Boran-Clarence or silas,Survivor4-maramau-rob,survivor5-that preacher guy (sorry I couldn't remember his name or the tribes name)survivor 6 girls-Joanna interesting trend

Sorry, but I have to contradict some of your first bootees here.

S3 - Diane was the first boot for Boran, Jessie the second. They didn't boot a male until post-switch, when they took out Silas.

S4 - Peter was the first boot for Maraamu, then Patricia, then Hunter.

S3 - John was the name you forgot.

S6 - Janet was the first one voted off by Jabaru, based on weakness and the whole granola bar thing.

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09-29-03, 12:56 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: History shows us that Morgan will vote out a strong guy"
LAST EDITED ON 09-29-03 AT 12:58 PM (EST)

Sorry I must not have been saying it right. I wasn't reffering to the first person booted off said tribe.I meant to say the first tribe that votes out someone that would help them in team challenges has had the winner come out of that tribe.The examples I used all followed that rule (with the exception of s-4 and peter thanks)
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused .


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