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"This show sucks"
shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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03-14-02, 01:24 AM (EST)
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"This show sucks" |
its all just one big clusterfvck, and that just covers the editing. Trying to keep track of how the teams are doing in the race is impossible....you never know how far apart the teams are, teams make huge unexplained (or shown) jumps or falls in the standings and you never know how or why, and when its all said and done, the race is basically decided by who gets the better cab driver. In other words, its all a friggen lottery. Plus, the teams are all carboon copies of the first season. I've seen Eco-Challenge, and Amazing Race, you sir are NO Eco-Challenge!
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sjunkim 124 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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03-14-02, 01:26 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: This show sucks" |
The time/placement is probably kept track by a clock and notes made by the camera men...
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realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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03-14-02, 06:34 AM (EST)
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3. ""TAR is the worst reality show..." |
...except for all the others" - Winston Churchill (paraphrased)As a sporting event, TAR's coverage is pretty shaky. Too many competitors (usually), too much focus on the non-contenders, too many factors outside the competition, and too little focus on the winner(s). But here, the sporting event is peripheral to the TV show. The TV show has a lot - thrills, head rushes, flying feet, the agony of defeat, overcoming one's fears, and yes, even crazy taxi drivers. It's not for all tastes. But I like it and feel it's worth my time to watch.
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shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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03-14-02, 02:58 PM (EST)
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8. "hey cole" |
>BTW, I saw you on an >El platform the other day >(Clark and Lake), and was >going to talk to you >about things, but decided you >probably get this sort of >stuff all the time. >Friend of mine sat next >to Toni on the bus >one day. How are >all of you guys? ....hey, you should've come up and said hi...I'm always happy to meet fellow SB.com members and reality tv fans. I feel sorry for your friend, did she/he go to the clinic after that bus ride cause you know, some diseases are airborne communicable. Damn, now I'm all nervous about how I act in public...I guess picking my nose on the El train is no longer an option for me. Oh well, that's the price of pseudo fame. Everyone is doing well, as far as I know....I don't talk to as many people as I did when the show was still fresh....I really only stay in touch with Jeanette, Melissa, Lisa, Bob, and to a much lesser extent Tomiko, Greg, Ralph and Crazy Tony.
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plimtuna 55 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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03-14-02, 02:02 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: This show sucks" |
Eco challenge it is not. Well that is fairly obvious. TAR is not on a minor cable channel, it is on prime time on CBS. TAR does not happen in one locale, it is globe trotting, exposing its viewers to everything from Paris to India to Alaska. TAR shows more interest in its contestants, the show is about people on a race, it is not about a race with people. A subtle difference. TAR generates substantial revenue for CBS, I am not so sure on Eco Challenge's revenue producing potential. To sum up - they are different, they are both interesting for different reasons, they both target somewhat different audiences. I like TAR - it is Travel Channel and Big Brother and Survivor all in one. I like all three of those shows. I would love to be on it, just can't figure out how to get two months off work. Any ideas? PlimTuna "Now that reality has been redefined, can I start living my dreams?"
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-19-02, 12:44 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: This show sucks" |
They are so worried about hiding their surprise ending and who is first and who is last each week. That they don't show us the times on purpose. We would figure out who is going to be safe and who is going to be eliminated each week. That takes away the dramatic moments at the end. I do wish they would show us the times too. But maybe we would be bored then. They could show us a money count though. I always want to know who is wasting their money and who is saving it. I think our problem is we feel cheated at times. It looks like some teams are battling neck and neck when really one of the teams could be 2 hours behind everyone else.
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T_Irvins 15 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-19-02, 01:25 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: This show sucks" |
This is scary, Loree, as we're beginning to think alike^_^. I like your views a lot on the time issue but somehow I don't think, speaking for myself, I might be bored given that Phil manages to narrate who's leading, who's trailing right behind and who's lagging every episode at the right time. But I do hear ya because I like the sense of surprise, i.e., the Grannies. Scratch that: We always knew they were doing all right when Phil stated that Page & Blake and Hope & Norm were vying for last place. Hmmh, it's a toss up, I guess. If they found a way to balance it out with the suspense of the show I'd definitely welcome it like the 2nd coming of the Mole again (TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO WATCH IT THIS SUMMER!!!) Sorry, I'm a fanatic... And I'm squarely with you about the money. Especially considering that they're given more money per leg than the 1st TAR contestants. $200 well managed each leg will go a long way this time a round... t.
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T_Irvins 15 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-19-02, 05:27 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: This show sucks" |
You know, come to think of it, I don't think they would have to pay for any domestic flights, either. I'm not sure, though. I'll have to go to the site and check out their rules page. Not having to spend any money on intercontinental flights definitely helps but I'd like to know if they'd have to spend money or not on any domestic flights if the route marker didn't call for it, i.e., "You must take a taxi, etc., etc.," which usually meant that domestic travel by rail, bus or taxi would have to come out of the contestants stipends. It's seems likely they would for domestic flights, I suppose if they were allowed to.t.
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ursusminor 58 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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03-19-02, 08:00 PM (EST)
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31. "Domestic Flights" |
The rules they've shown us aren't very clear on this, but I suspect that paid-for domestic flights are generally not available to the teams even when the clues don't specify how to travel to the next route marker. Why else then would Joe/Bill last race or (maybe) Shola/Doyin this race not take a plane for the hundreds of miles from the Fast Forward win to the pitstop?
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T_Irvins 15 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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03-19-02, 05:45 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: This show sucks...NOT" |
Ugh, that's what I was trying to say... just couldn't find... the... words... in... my... memory... file... Last season, though, I think it was a problem somewhat because they were only given $50-american each leg. Guido f-ed around with theirs so much with the hotels and stuff at each leg that when they got to Thailand, well, you know... Rob and Brennan states also on their site how much of an effort they made saving up cash that they were able to bribe, oops, I mean bought off, oops, again, I meant buy the telephone off of the woman in Alaska to coordinate flight reservations. This time they have it pretty easy. And the editing this go around is poor, indeed. I guess they didn't have the luxury of time as they did with TAR-1 in making it just as good even though the last one left a lot to be desired. But it's still such a beautiful show (sigh.) I'm hoping they would make a DVD set of each run with lots of cool scenes that didn't make the cut. Still, that's the fanatic in me hoping for what's not likely to happen. t.
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JeffGator 1401 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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03-19-02, 05:40 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: This show sucks" |
I agree with most of things people said on this post. But I disagree with the poster who said that the show got better as time went on last season. I found the non-elimination episodes that were later in the season on TAR 1 very boring. I did not have much interest watching a show where no one was eliminated. How would you like an episode of survivor where no one is kicked off? Why the hell would you want to see the show? I think THAT is the major problem with the show. I enjoyed all the other episodes though but when i knew that a non-elimination round was going on I forced myself to watch it. Anyone else agree with me? ______________________________________________________________ 19 year old Student at the University of Florida--Go Gators! ______________________________________________________________ "I may be alot of things, but I ain't no Hershey Bar."
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-19-02, 05:53 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: This show sucks" |
I think CBS realized this was a problem. This season there will never be a Wednesday night where there isn't an elimination. On the episodes where they are not eliminating a couple they are showing double episodes that night. The non-elimination episode will be in the first hour. But someone will be booted in the next hour. So we will never have to wait a week to see anyone booted.
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JeffGator 1401 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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03-19-02, 05:59 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: This show sucks" |
really? I didn't know that. that's really awesome. Do you know if the show will run from 8-10pm or 9-11pm? thanks for the info Loree, by the way do you know when survivor will be back on thursday nights?______________________________________________________________ 19 year old Student at the University of Florida--Go Gators, Go Gina, and Go Gary and Dave! ______________________________________________________________ "I may be alot of things, but I ain't no Hershey Bar."
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Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-20-02, 11:17 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: This show sucks" |
Survivor will be back on Thursdays next week I believe. I don't know whether the double episodes of TAR2 will start an hour earlier or go an hour later. Depends on the CBS schedule I guess.
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realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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03-19-02, 07:13 PM (EST)
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25. "Non-elimination episodes" |
>I'm not sure where the information >about these back to back >episodes is coming from... I'd >love to see some sources >confirming this as this is >the first I have heard >of this. One or two of the interviews with Phil mentioned this. I don't have the direct links, but you should be able to find them on Sir Linksalot if you're interested. But Phil is just an employee of CBS; he is not the network programmer. I can tell you right now that next week's episode shows every sign of being a non-elimination, and there's no sign of a second episode. >I also disagree about the fact >that non-elimination episodes are boring... >I admit it's a bit >of a letdown but it >makes you all the more >itchy to watch the next >week. I agree with this. There are several reasons I watch the show - the different (and sometimes quite pretty) scenery, the intra- and inter-team interaction, the tasks they're asked to do, the fears they're asked to face, who does what, and who finishes where. The eliminations are only a part of that. The most interesting thing about them, I think, is the reaction of the teams who are on the losing end. Some are stoic, and some break down to a greater or lesser degree. But I think the show would work quite well with fewer eliminations or even none.
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ursusminor 58 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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03-19-02, 07:46 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Non-elimination episodes" |
Let me add my 1/50th dollar in... It may well be something of a letdown to watch an hour-long episode without a "payoff" at the end. But let's consider the alternatives: 1) More contestants - 15 teams would be needed to eliminate one on each episode, and have 3 left to finish the race in the last episode, over a 13-episode race. This is an imperfect solution, as there already a number of complaints about too many teams to keep track of and to allow a proper amount of time to focus on them. 2) Fewer episodes - like, say, 9. Are there any TARfans out there who really would rather see less TAR? So I'd say I like things the way they are. If it still bothers you, try thinking about the non-elimination episodes as being the first half of a double-length leg.
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trigirl 2851 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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03-20-02, 10:00 AM (EST)
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33. "RE: What was this Thread about?" |
Whew...lots going on in this thread.Domestic Flights - I don't think those would be paid for unless in is stipulated in the clue. Also, domestic flights are not proportionally cheaper than international ones...so contestants will have to really think about that. Twins FF - I am pretty sure that the FF read "...take a bus..." Editing - You are right...it sucks. Great suggestion from someone ? (sorry) about the 24-style real-time frames. Timing - Maybe it is a production constraint rather than a gimmick for suspense. Money - Why isn't CBS or Bruckheimer listening to us about this? Non-Elimination - It is still suspensefull because I didn't know which rounds they were going to be...did all you guys?
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realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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03-20-02, 10:24 AM (EST)
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34. "What this Thread is about" |
The thread started when one of our esteemed members (and former contestant on another, inferior reality show) criticized TAR. Some agreed, some came to the show's defense, and many people commented within the thread on subjects of interest to them. Like this one:>Non-Elimination - It is still suspensefull because I didn't >know which rounds they were going to be...did all you guys? The first one took most of us by surprise, but the next two we kind of figured out. There are several things to look for with a non-elimination episode: 1) The descriptions from TV Guide won't mention a team being eliminated. If there is one being eliminated that week, they will usually mention it. 2) In the description, the number of teams doesn't change from week to week. If two descriptions from different weeks say, for example, "The six teams...", then you know that the first one is not an elimination round. 3) In the description for The Early Show on the Thursday after an episode, they will usually mention "latest eliminated contestant from TAR" if they have one. If the description doesn't mention it, then they probably don't have an elimation on that episode. 4) And finally, during the introduction to the show, Phil will say "Who will be last?" instead of his standard "Who will be eliminated?"
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PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-20-02, 12:44 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Who is Shakes the Clown?" |
If you missed him, you are not alone. He was (is) Mike from Love Cruise - the self-proclaimed Chessmaster of that Chutes and Ladders show.
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zahadumguy 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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03-20-02, 03:02 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: This show sucks" |
Okay, here some random thoughts:Domestic Airfare. My understanding was any "arranged" airfare would by covered by TAR and you could not purchase tickets yourselves for any other flights. So flying on your own Ist Verboten! Re Editing - yes it's hectic but when you're trying to keep track of 11 teams it's bound to be true. If you don't cover all the teams then you get people complaining "what happened with the Gay Duo?" they just showed up at the finish line! As for split screens, yes they work for 24 but they really only use split screens a few times through out the show and then usually less than a minute. If you're proposing using split screen through the entire show, it simple won't work. John Q. Public would never sit through that. Let's keep track of everybody's money. Yeah, I can see that but it's not that important. I don't want to know Peach spent 50 cents on a candy bar during the pitstop. If they just gave remaining $ that would be cool . . . although people would start bitchin' why did Peach 'n Scream have $180 yesterday and now only have $175 today? Keep track of time. Ennhh, I want to be surprised who comes in last. Real time editing wouldn't be nearly exciting. Of course, that's just my opinion. There are too many teams to keep track of, I hate non-elimination episodes, don't film fewer episodes. What, you want your cake and eat it too? Showing only 9 episodes isn't really an option. CBS wouldn't buy so few shows. If you don't want non-elimination shows you'd have to increase the field which goes against too many teams. So I guess I'm saying, even if you tinker with the format you not going to please everybody (obviously). I this this is the less suckiest way to present the show.
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