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"*** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Loree 12-12-02 1
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Loree 12-12-02 2
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... zuckie 12-12-02 3
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Loree 12-12-02 4
   RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... NorthOfBoston 12-12-02 33
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... shanana banana 12-12-02 5
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... zuckie 12-12-02 6
   RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... anotherkim 12-12-02 7
       RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... zuckie 12-12-02 9
           RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... moonbaby 12-12-02 17
       Ted is TANKED! moonbaby 12-12-02 12
 Dylsexics of the World - Untie! IceCat 12-12-02 8
   RE: Dylsexics of the World - Untie! moonbaby 12-12-02 14
       RE: Dylsexics of the World - Untie! forehead 12-12-02 37
   Did he do it on purpose? lizzmac 12-13-02 61
       RE: Did he do it on purpose? SurvivinDawg 12-13-02 73
 I Remember My First Beer... IceCat 12-12-02 10
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Loree 12-12-02 11
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... MandyM 12-12-02 13
   RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... anotherkim 12-12-02 15
       Digression AyaK 12-12-02 41
   RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... moonbaby 12-12-02 16
       RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... moonbaby 12-12-02 18
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Loree 12-12-02 19
   Immunity Challenge moonbaby 12-12-02 21
   IC Loree 12-12-02 23
       RE: IC moonbaby 12-12-02 24
       RE: IC Draco Malfoy 12-13-02 60
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... anotherkim 12-12-02 20
   Brain wins immunity moonbaby 12-12-02 22
       Brian is so arrogant. zuckie 12-12-02 27
           Brian Just Gave Us the Boot Order sweetpea 12-12-02 39
               RE: Brian Just Gave Us the Boot Ord... Loree 12-12-02 44
               RE: Brian Just Gave Us the Boot Ord... anotherkim 12-12-02 49
           RE: Brian is so arrogant. forehead 12-12-02 46
               RE: Brian is so arrogant. zuckie 12-12-02 52
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... moonbaby 12-12-02 25
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Loree 12-12-02 26
   TC Loree 12-12-02 28
       RE: TC bebekid 12-12-02 45
           RE: TC waterbug 12-12-02 55
               RE: TC Loree 12-12-02 59
           Jake vs Brandon Wacko Jacko 12-13-02 67
   Question about Ted and Brian Wacko Jacko 12-13-02 68
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... moonbaby 12-12-02 29
   AM I RIGHT? barrymore 12-13-02 70
 RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... NorthOfBoston 12-12-02 30
   RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... anotherkim 12-12-02 32
   RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... J Slice 12-12-02 38
       RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Long Dong Pagong 12-12-02 56
           RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SP... Kokoro 12-13-02 75
 Did Jiffy Slam Rosie? IceCat 12-12-02 31
   RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie? sweetpea 12-12-02 34
   voting barrymore 12-12-02 35
       Vote Order... IceCat 12-12-02 42
   RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie? Loree 12-12-02 36
       RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie? anotherkim 12-12-02 43
       RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie? NorthOfBoston 12-12-02 48
           RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie? SurvivinDawg 12-13-02 64
 What was Helen thinking? true 12-12-02 40
   RE: What was Helen thinking? anotherkim 12-12-02 47
       RE: What was Helen thinking? tanyafrommd 12-12-02 51
           RE: What was Helen thinking? Cin 12-13-02 65
           Helen is an Idiot! Wacko Jacko 12-13-02 66
               RE: Helen is an Idiot! frisky 12-13-02 72
   RE: What was Helen thinking? Loree 12-12-02 58
       RE: What was Helen thinking? SurvivinDawg 12-13-02 62
           RE: What was Helen thinking? Loree 12-13-02 69
               RE: What was Helen thinking? SurvivinDawg 12-13-02 74
   Why Helen voted for Ted. SurvivinDawg 12-13-02 63
       RE: Why Helen voted for Ted. frisky 12-13-02 71
 blatant misdirection for final 3 waterbug 12-12-02 50
   forehead raises hand... forehead 12-12-02 53
       RE: forehead raises hand... waterbug 12-12-02 57
   RE: blatant misdirection for final ... NorthOfBoston 12-12-02 54

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1. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Brian and his skating theories. The best skater will win. Brian has his skates on.

The mirror shows up at tree mail. Clay finds it. They all look at their photos from the beginning that are there and compare themselves in the mirror. Jan is calling the men pretty girls because the men took over the mirror.

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2. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Ted wants answers from Brian on who is next out. Brian is very evasive and starts babbling about maybe everyone for himself. Ted thinks something has changed and Brian has wavered from their alliance.

Jan's excited that there will be wine involved in the reward.

Ted is drawing in the sand and talking to Helen. Ted wants to get rid of lazy Clay. Then Ted is mentioning to Helen they decide if they get rid of Brian or not.

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3. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Ted is the narrator this week...


Talking about how Brian seems to be wavering with his alliance.

Brian says he is there for business.

Reward Jeffs drives up in the car says big Ted in the front, so does he win?

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4. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Jeff shows up with the Chevy Trailblazer. He tells Ted to get in the front with him and the others in the back and they take a spin on the beach before the challenge.

They have to go through a long obstacle course and find letters at each point. Then at the end unscramble the 8 letters. Winner gets the SUV and a day at the spa and meal.

Jan is running last at this point.

Unscrambled puzzle spells Road Trip. Ted wins. But Brian had said the answer out loud and gave it away to Ted.

Ted tumbles on the ground to celebrate. Ted gets to take one person with him. He takes Helen because he said he owes her for keeping him in the game.

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33. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-02 AT 09:23 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 12-12-02 AT 09:18PM (EST)

Is Brian going to start a Reading-is-fundamental class like Big Tom from S3?

edited to add

Anyone else catch the irony of a CAR DEALER not being able to spell R-O-A-D????!!

edited again to add...

uh, I guess the answer to my question is YES: I can't read down far enough; sorry, IceCat

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5. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Two things:

1. Damn, was Helen grinding Ted or what when he picked her to share the challenge? Guess the Ghandia story is long forgotten. lol

2. What's up with Ted's yellow front tooth? Barf-o-rama!!


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6. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Brian has gotta be upset that Ted did not take him since it was Brian who basically gave TEd the answer. Brian said right after Ted won that he should not have said it outloud.

But I think it is nice to take Helen, Brian & Clay already had a reward.

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7. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
How cocky can Brian be? And Clay is an absolute slimy weasel. Ugh. Go already.


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9. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-02 AT 08:41 PM (EST)

Agree totally!!!

Ted is hilarious. OOOOHHHH AAAAAHHHH

Too funny, he is so wasted off the wine...

They said before drinking that they neither of them were drinkers but decided to celebrate.

Ted said my body is drunk, but my mind is clear, yeah right.

Edited to add that Teddy is moaning during his shower, at the "spa", then in his words he uses the "shoe polisher thing" to brush his teeth; maybe he'll get rid of that nasty yellow one.

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17. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Was Ted's tooth like that before? I never noticed until tonight.


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12. "Ted is TANKED!"
Too funny. btw, he is a screamer.


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8. "Dylsexics of the World - Untie!"
Way to go, Brian! R-A-O-D?

Y'all spell like a used car salesman!

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14. "RE: Dylsexics of the World - Untie!"
Yoozed kar. heheheh...


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37. "RE: Dylsexics of the World - Untie!"
Too funny Moonbaby!
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61. "Did he do it on purpose?"
That was my first thought. Purposely misspell the word, then say it out loud - so he doesn't build resentment in the others by winning another reward.

Guess time will tell when all the questions get asked after next week...

Lizzmac

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73. "RE: Did he do it on purpose?"
I agree that it was on purpose... Brian needs a new car like he needs Viagra...


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10. "I Remember My First Beer..."
Doubt that Ted can say the same thing...
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11. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Ted asks Helen on the road trip where Jan is. Helen says she knows Jan doesn't like Clay because he is lazy. Ted asks Helen to work with Jan and make sure they have her on board as a vote of 3. They don't like Clay and Ted is getting nervous about Brian. They show up at the feast and there is alot of wine and neither Ted or Helen drink. But Helen says it is a once in a lifetime experience so they should celebrate and they open the wine. Ted can't eat like before and he is jumping up and down to make room for more food.

Back at camp Clay is complaining to the others because he hates to lose. Brian is angry he said the answer and he got no thanks from Ted. I think Brian wanted Ted to take him. They talk about Helen and Ted whispering earlier when Ted was drawing in the sand. Jan said they thought she was asleep and she was listening to them. They are all nervous about Ted and Helen scheming.

Meanwhile Ted is drunk. Both Helen and Ted take outdoor showers. Ted keeps yelling he loves Helen. Helen is chuckling about Ted in his drunkeness. He is having a massage. They get silk PJs to sleep in.

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13. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
One would think TED was the porno star with all that orgasmic moaning and groaning he did!


MM "We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

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15. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
LMAO! I thought the same thing. The look on the masseuse's face was priceless.


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41. "Digression"
I LOVE the Kim Possible pic as an image for "anotherkim"!
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16. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
HE gave the booze to Jan

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18. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Brian thinks EVERYONE owes him! First Ted, now Helen. SHeesH!


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19. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
It is not looking good for Ted. Helen has never come right out and told him she agrees with his plots. She may still stick with Brian and vote. Ted is sure of Helen. But I don't know if he should be.

The others are playing golf when Ted and Helen come walking back to camp the next day. Helen is worrying what they talked about while she was gone. Ted gives Jan a bottle of wine and Jan is in heaven. They brought back food in the canteens and bottles of wine.

Helen talks to Jan and suggests Clay but tells Jan to make sure and tell her in advance who she is voting for so they can vote in a block. Jan says she has never won IC. She wants to keep her enemies close.

Brian says Helen knows she owes him. Brian and Helen are out in the canoe. Helen tells Brian she just agreed with everything Ted says. Then Helen tells the camera that Ted thinks she is with him, but Brian and Clay thinks she is with them. At this point she is not sure where she stands.

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21. "Immunity Challenge"
A multi colored puzzle step thing brought to you by Nickelodian.


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23. "IC"
They are building steps with puzzle-like pieces.

Ghandia would do terrible at this. LOL!

Brian wins immunity. It was strange how slow he went with his last step. It almost looked like he was waiting for Clay. Hmmm?

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24. "RE: IC"
So who will be voted out....Clay? Ted? Hmmmm....if they were wise to Helen she could be done. But since I'm no spoiler it will probably be Jan.


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60. "RE: IC"
I didn't take it as waiting for Clay. I took it as King Brian the Weasel, making his grand ascent to accept the Rayol Necklace of Spikey Immunity, making sure all eyes were on him as he took his throne as King of All He Surveys.


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20. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
I like helen more every week which is a sure fire bet she'll get canned next week.

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22. "Brain wins immunity"

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27. "Brian is so arrogant."
He is talking about his three who are under his control.

Jan the Gran is disposable,

Helen is the loyal soldier,

Clay is the friend.

Interesting that he left TEd out, does this mean he is gone tonight???

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39. "Brian Just Gave Us the Boot Order "
4th player booted--Disposable Jan
Then he is assured of a place in the final 2 as Helen won't take Clay and Clay won't take Helen.

3rd player booted--Helen fulfills hubby's statement

And per TDT Brian and Clay in finals.

And your winner--Brian.

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44. "RE: Brian Just Gave Us the Boot Order "
It would be funny if Jan wins the IC and she isn't disposable afterall.
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49. "RE: Brian Just Gave Us the Boot Order "
You know, though, he deserves it because he has played them all like a symphony.

cocky, but with a reason to be, I guess.


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46. "RE: Brian is so arrogant."
LAST EDITED ON 12-12-02 AT 09:25 PM (EST)

zuckie:

You've summarized the game!
Jan is disposable, i.e. next one to go.

Brian throws the final 3 IC, going way slower than he was taking the final piece to the top today, setting up...

...either the loyal soldier or the friend to bring him along to the final 2.

TDT told us which of the two scenarios is going to happen...

forehead

Edited: you can't beat sweetpea in speed...

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52. "RE: Brian is so arrogant."
And it is awful, I really despise Brian and Clay. I wish so badly that this season had been better.

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LAST EDITED ON 12-12-02 AT 09:02 PM (EST)

Brain is making me ill spouting off about his game plan. Disposable Jan, SOldier Helen, and a good buddy. WHo is the good buddy, I missed that!

At TC: Hard to imagine Erin's boobs being even bigger but it seems that way.


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Ted is telling the cameras that everyone is nervous who will go. Ted goes to Brian and asks if he is next. Brian does his usual double talk.

Jan says she doesn't believe there are any true alliances. She says she is close to Helen but she is voting what is best for herself.

Brian says Jan is the trump card she is disposable. He said Helen is his loyal soldier and he trusts her. Uncle Clay is a good friend. Brian knows Clay and Helen hate each other and he can use that. Hmmm? Funny Brian never mentions Ted at all.

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28. "TC"
I have never seen such a happy jury. The Sookies are beaming.

Helen is playing down Clay at TC. She hopes the Sookies will vote for someone who pulled their weight. And she is glancing over her shoulder at Clay.

They didn't show anyone's vote.

Ted is voted out. Looks like Ted voted against Jan.

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45. "RE: TC"
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>I have never seen such a
>happy jury. The Sookies
>are beaming.

Yeah, what's up with that? All the other season's juries have been stone-faced. And Jake. OMH, what was that almost 61 year old man wearing? He looked like S3's Brandon!


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55. "RE: TC"
Yup ... it looks like the Sookies have deluded themselves into thinking its actually better to be on the jury "in control" than to be a contender for the mil.

Golly, which would you prefer? Less $$$ and a vote, or a real shot at the big prize? What simpletons.

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59. "RE: TC"
Maybe they just all want to look pretty for the cameras and they can't resist showing their smiles. They know they look clean next to the grungy Chewies.
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67. "Jake vs Brandon"
No brandon wore a towel skirt.

Jake had a muscle shirt on. Looked funny for a 60 year old man but he carried it well.

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68. "Question about Ted and Brian"
I had the volume kinda slow but when Ted asked Brian if he was going to be voted out next. It almost sounded like Brian told him yes you are going to be voted out next.

Also the fact that Ted voted for Jan instead of Clay seems to tell me Ted knew he was going. Otherwise I am certain he would vote for Clay instead of Jan because Jan was the wildcard.

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29. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
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3 votes TED, 1 JAN.

Ted grinds at Loser Lodge tonight!


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70. "AM I RIGHT?"
I thought Ted voted for Jan b/c Brian told him that the boot order was the same as it was back in episode 12 -- Jan, Helen, Clay, then Ted and Brian would be the F2. So Ted voted Jan thinking that Jan was next. Brian was scheming. He knew that one vote would be hidden as only 3 were need to boot Ted. So Ted could always believe that Brian's vote was hidden and he voted with him for Jan. Remember he said to Ted that he is not sure where Clay, Helen and Jan stand and they may vote together -- putting the idea in Ted's mind that maybe the vote was 3-2 and Brian's vote was not needed.

This also gives Jan yet another vote against her in which case she would go in a tie (I believe she now has atleast 3 prob more against her) therefore, if the F4 its Brian and Clay vs Jan and Helen then Jan is done (if old non purple rock rules apply).

I called Brian from day one to take this thing and I hope that he does. He has played the game brilliantly.

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30. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
I HATE YOU BRIAN

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU
it's no wonder your wife b*tch-slapped you!

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32. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
ditto

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38. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Just a thought.

Which would be better/worse? Vee's win, or Brian's potential win?

Would YOU buy a yoozed kar from this man?

This is AWFUL. My only hope is that if the Final 2 end up being Brian and Clay, that the jury throws up their arms and collectively says, "I'm sorry, Jeff, but I simply can't work with this!" This abortion of a season could only be capped by something so cataclysmic.

Please, Helen and Jannie... GET THEM OUT!

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56. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Isn't the final four IC always the quiz about the "fallen tribemates"? I don't think Jan the teacher's chances are all that bad if MB sticks with the usual MO...I can see her befriending the SJs and gaining the knowledge, not necessarily for strategic purposes given the way she's gone through the game so far, but possibly helpful nonetheless...
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75. "RE: *** EP12 Official EAST COAST SPOILER Thread ***"
Yes, Jan could easily win the next one based on past results and I hope she does. Helen's already blown two opportunities to win a million dollars so she quite frankly deserves to be next. Of course, if Helen wins it, I'll be hoping she'll vote with Janny to go for a purple rock result, but I won't be surprised when she decides to blow that too.

-----------------------------------
Now let us never speak of S3 again.

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31. "Did Jiffy Slam Rosie?"
During the preview says this about the finale:

'no singing and dancing... just questions and answers that you want to know'

I get the feeling that Jiffy was a little ticked about not getting to host the finale last year and was not impressed with Rosie's approach.

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34. "RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie?"
Yeah, but will he ask Brian about his porn star past and his wife? I doubt it.
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35. "voting"
Did anyone catch the voting order at TC?
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42. "Vote Order..."
Jan
Helen
Brian
Clay
Ted

Ted's vote was for Jan... all others were for Ted.

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36. "RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie?"
Good for Jiffy. I can't stand Rosie.
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43. "RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie?"
the reunion show is stilted enough--Rosie just made it sooooo much worse. Like some irritating cousin who is dying to fit in.


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48. "RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie?"
SPEAKING OF ROSIE... we didn't have any gay/lesbian survivors this season... no one to out on national television
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64. "RE: Did Jiffy Slam Rosie?"
we didn't have any gay/lesbian survivors this season

Are you sure? I don't know if Shii Ann is gay or bisexual, but she was involved with gay/lesbian groups while at college. I know that being involved with the groups doesn't automatically imply Shii Ann's orientation, but it's a thought as a possibility.


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40. "What was Helen thinking?"
How can Helen think she'll get any better than 3rd place by going with Brian and Clay? She knows if Clay wins final IC he will dump her, and Brian would rather face Clay than Helen in the finals. At least with Ted, he would have been loyal to her, and Jan is no threat to win anything.


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47. "RE: What was Helen thinking?"
I guess you get so removed from rational thinking out there that the obvious just doesn't hit you.

Helen could have won the whole thing if she had dumped Clay.


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51. "RE: What was Helen thinking?"
I think Helen is definitely the next to go! What an idiot! None of them deserve to win..... this is the worst bunch ever!!! (sorry.. I will take it to Basher's)
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65. "RE: What was Helen thinking?"
I think "none of them deserves to win" is a bit wrong, Brian has played a great game. He may come across to a lot of people as a sleeze ball (I however do like him) but he's stuck to his game plan from day 1. Helen has also done a great job and I would also think she deserved to win, she does what she has to do to stay in the game, the only mistake I think she's made was booting Ted over Clay lastnight.

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66. "Helen is an Idiot!"
If Helen would of voted out Clay than she would of made it to the finals probably with Ted. She is a foolish idiot if she thinks Brian is loyal to her. He would use and dump her for $1000 not to mention $1000000.

The more I watch this show the more of a sleaze bucket Brian is. He is a user and the way he talks. Liek everyone owes him. Like everyone worships him. Which is worse: a used car salesman or porno star?

as much as I like Survivor it is never the people you like that when the whole thing. It is some sleaze bucket like Brian or an obnoxious idiot like Clay. Brian will win but the fact that I gotta watch this jerk for three hours next week really irks me.

My two favorites were eliminated the last two weeks. Helen is ok but she is a stupid idiot who played the game with her heart rather than her brain. She stands no chance and it would take a miracle for her to when immunity when there are three and then choose Clay instead of Brian. And there are probably more snowballs in hell.

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72. "RE: Helen is an Idiot!"
Yes, unfortunately, it seems that only obnoxious sleezebuckets know how to play the game of Survivor.

I want to see the winner being someone who played the game well, whether I like them or not.

I personally like seeing the winner, who I believe to be Brian, strategizing throughout the game, rather than being inVEEsible.

I really don't see how anyone could win this game without being sneaky and manipulative. If someone says "I played the game with integrity," you can bet they're on the jury.

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58. "RE: What was Helen thinking?"
I wonder if Helen was just more worried about Brian getting revenge with the jury against her if she turned on him.
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62. "RE: What was Helen thinking?"
I wonder if Helen was just more worried about Brian getting revenge with the jury against her if she turned on him.

Nothing personal, Loree, but let me pick this apart: 1) How is Brian going to "get revenge" with the jury? 2) Doesn't this imply that Helen makes the Final 2 in the first place? Certainly better than 4th or 3d!




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69. "RE: What was Helen thinking?"
I just think Brian has Helen so paranoid about what he will do if she betrays him. He has probably told her that if she turns on him & votes him out he will make sure that not one person on the jury would vote for her for betraying him after she owes him. Where Ted seemed more easy going and would probably forgive Helen and not talk nasty about her. Brian is manipulating all of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brian is the one who has been pushing Clay to order the women around and act like the chauvinist to turn the women against Clay. Brian only talks this way to the camera.

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74. "RE: What was Helen thinking?"
I understand what you're saying, Loree, but remember: Helen is not some weak little Lamber, that "Special Forces" t-shirt she is wearing should be our first clue that this is not a lady who scares easily. There is no way that Brian could threaten her or scare her about what he might say to the Jury!

Again, the only way to win is to be in the Final 2. Helen had a good shot to make that Final 2 if she and Ted get Jan to help vote Clay out. She has much less chance by blindly following Brian.



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63. "Why Helen voted for Ted."
I think Helen voted for Ted because JAN refused to go along with a Helen/Ted waxing of Clay.

Note that Ted's vote was for JAN (not Clay, not Helen). That vote was, IMHO, Ted's little message to Jan saying "Thanks for nothing, witch!"

When Jan refused to go along, Helen really didn't have much choice. If she votes for Clay, she makes herself a target (not that she isn't one, anyway). By voting with Jan to oust Ted, Helen may still think she can get Jan (or Jan AND Brian) to vote out Clay next.


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71. "RE: Why Helen voted for Ted."
That's the way I see it, Dawg. Helen approached Jan a la T-Bird, and Jan turtled a la MamaKim.

In her confessional, Jan said she would have to think about which way worked out better for her. For some inexplicable reason, she chose not to pull the switcheroo.

For this, Jan got my vote for the idiot-of-the-week award on bashers.

Helen had no choice but to vote with Brian/Clay.

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50. "blatant misdirection for final 3"
Okay, raise your hand if you noticed the blatant misdirection for the final three. Jiffy says "3 more tribal councils ... 2 more shots at immunity ..." blah blah blah.

And the shot is of Clay (spouting off like the worm he is), Helen and Jan. Brian has been conveniently cropped out.

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p.s. LOVE the slam on Rosie!!!

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53. "forehead raises hand..."
...and thanks waterbug for input on the article on helen's being in control of recipes.
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57. "RE: forehead raises hand..."
My pleasure, forehead. After years of lurking, it was nice to have something to offer.

BTW, Bungler's quickie vidcaps clearly show Brian off to the side (still wearing the hideous flesh-piercing throat collar known as the IN). I couldn't see him on my TV screen, but it's clear as day in the vidcaps. Thanks Bungler!

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54. "RE: blatant misdirection for final 3"
Anyone also notice the subtle lack of screen time (AKA sleeze/slime time) given to Clay this episode? I remember in the beginning, I thought he was a good guy: worth cheering for. It wasn't until MB started editing long harangues of Dirty-Old-Man and Grumpy-Old-Man into the episodes that Clay wore on my nerves. Just wondering if MB is trying to redeem him, if not for a boot next week (unlikely) then for a final two possibility.
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