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"Is it fair to female contestants in this leg of the race?"
ALT 28 desperate attention whore postings
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07-06-03, 01:05 AM (EST)
 
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"Is it fair to female contestants in this leg of the race?" |
I have always thought it is always advantageous to have a MM or a MF pairing in TAR with all those strenuous detours and constant jogging and sprinting to the check points. Really looking forward to a time to have a FF combination taking the game.Watching this leg of the race confirms the belief even more. It should at least be a non-elimination leg, given that it is going to be quite unfair to the ladies. If contestants refused to go up that train cos it will lead to outrage of their modesty, is it wrong? Who wants to be groped and pinched? Isn't that a threat to their personal safety? What if one female contestant went up the train while the partner and the filming crew couldn't squeeze up, what will happen then? Millie was almost separated from Chuck. Luckily, Chuck could put aside his claustrophobia and pushed his way through. I really pity the girls. Anyone else can think of tasks that unwittingly discriminate against female contestants? I thought the bicycle fixing from scratch during the Flo and Zach season was also bad. don't think there was a FF pairing at that point though. Just my 2 cents worth. It still remains one of my fav shows ahead of survivor. ALT
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magic_star 2400 desperate attention whore postings
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07-06-03, 01:28 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Is it fair to female contestants in this leg of the race?" |
I believe the same thing here as I did for Christy in Survivor. They can't just go out trying to make it perfect for everyone and set it up perfectly for teams with disadvantages. Every team will most likely have some disadvantage in some country. It's just what happens around the world. Should they have made the French leg a non-elimination since some people, like Steve/Josh can't speak French, so they're not able to get help? The teams that can't speak French had a huge disadvantage, because the French won't help you unless you attempt to speak their language. Maybe Josh's school didn't teach French. It's not fair that he would have to go out on his time to learn French while other teams who had better schools already knew it. That's not fair at all. So it's ok to help a team like Monica/Sheree, but not Steve/Josh even though their disadvantage is just as justifiable? The fact is, there are disadvantages everywhere in the world and that's the way it's supposed to be. The teams have to deal with it and move on. 
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings
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07-06-03, 12:30 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Is it fair to female contestants in this leg of the race?" |
Once again, Americans try to impose their rules on the rest of the world.As a woman who has traveled extensively, I can tell you that the "molestation" that the women were exposed to was not uncommon, as different cultures handle things differently. It's not uncommon for a woman to be pinched, or even followed, but that's all that happens - there's no danger whatsoever. That's their version of the construction worker yelling out comments to women walking by. It's ridiculous to say that the race is unfair because woman are exposed to that aspect of the culture. As has been pointed out, some were able to handle it quite well. There are times that being female can definitely be to your advantage. Some cultures will respond much better to women asking for help, expecting a man to be strong enough to be able to find his own way. And certain behaviors will be forgiven in a woman, while in a man they could lead to a fight. Would I have been unnerved to have been pinched and groped on the train? It would have bothered me, but it would have been something that I could have easily moved on from. Do I think it put the teams at a disadvantage? Absolutely not. Jon was showing admiration for Kelly for how she handled the situation and holding her hand afterwards, so it helped that team. Millie appeared unphased by the whole experience. Tian was vocal about it while it happened, but she quickly moved back to the task at hand. And she and Jaree got along better during this leg of the race, so it could even be argued that enduring that together strengthened their team. Yes, an all-female team lost this leg, but it wasn't because of anything that happened on the train - they lost that leg before they even got to the train station.  Bebo, Mistress of EVIL and your American Idol PTTE co-champ
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managerr 1959 desperate attention whore postings
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07-07-03, 11:45 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Is it fair to female contestants in this leg of the race?" |
This leg was indeed tougher for female players, especially an all-female team, but every leg is going to be tougher for certain players. Note that a lot of these trains did have cars for women only. Monica and Sheree had no problem because they found the train car that had all women on it. (Or got on First Class) I posted on another board that I had a problem with the roadblock. The roadblock was basically heavy lifting.In either case, you're going to have a variety of legs. Grueling physical legs and legs like Episode 2, which was one big bunching fest where the outcome was decided by a mind puzzle/mask recognition. Teams have fast forwards for this reason too. Gender does play a factor, but so do the individual skills that the racers have developed during their lives. Tian/Jaree have language skills, travel experience, were in shape, and are attractive. Monica and Sheree also had travel experience, were in-shape, friendly, and knew how to deal with professional athletes. (If they ever ran into any)
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indian girl 142 desperate attention whore postings
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07-07-03, 05:28 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: I have no problem with it!" |
Another point to make is that during the train ride in Bombay, there are designated "ladies only" car and any of the female only teams who saw the local female passengers gathered at one area of the platform had the advantage of riding that car. If any of those f/f teams took that car, they would probably had a seat all the way to the detour. So yes, in some cases men only teams have an advantage, but in other cases female only teams also have an advantage.
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indian girl 142 desperate attention whore postings
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07-08-03, 03:30 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: I have no problem with it!" |
When I was in Bombay, they had "ladies only" cars as well as "family" cars. On the ladies only car, there were boys up to about pre-teen age riding it. These trains are the local trains, much like the ones the racers took. For the next train the racers are going to take (26 hour train ride), there are no "ladies only" or "family only" cars but there are many different classes of cars 1st class A/C, 2nd class A/C, 2nd class non-A/C, 3rd class. For these trains, you must purchase a ticket and you pay according to class. You will be assigned a seat or berth(usually only in 1st class/2nd class). I took this type of train from Kerala to Karnataka (my mom and 2 sisters). We all go sleeping berths in 1st Class A/C (by American standards the price differential between 1st class and 3rd class is merely $10-$15 US dollars.) From seeing the previews for the next episode, I think the racers (Kelly/Jon and Reichen/Chip have 2nd class Non-AC berths. They are sitting across from each other, but above them look like two extra pull down berths. I am also assuming that it's non-A/C because of the preview that says boiling hot filty cars.
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AZ_Leo 3526 desperate attention whore postings
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07-11-03, 02:13 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: I have no problem with it!" |
Actually, because the teams have to stay with the camera crew and it is proable the crew had at least one male, all female teams couldn't have taken advantage of this option.
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toddE 1433 desperate attention whore postings
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07-11-03, 07:31 AM (EST)
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13. "Show is totally bogus" |
The question of TAR being sexist has been heavily discussed in the past. I was into it the first two seasons, but quit watching in disgust after the female teams did poorly and the young frat-boy white guys won both times. I couldn't even bring myself to watch one single episode of TAR3.I decided to give it another chance this season, despite the fact that there are 5! all male teams and only 2 female teams, one of which (as usual) was clearly never going to win. After seeing Tian and Jaree bite it last night, while Dave and Jeff coast to first place, I am writing TAR off for good. Maybe the show isn't biased against women or people of color. Perhaps if the producers included more of both, they would do better. I don't know. But I do know that if a young, white guy always won Survivor, it would lose viewers. Of the 10 players left, 8 are young white guys, and that just doesn't work for me. 
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indian girl 142 desperate attention whore postings
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07-11-03, 02:44 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Show is totally bogus" |
Something interesting I found yesterday was when Tian/Jaree(not sure which one) had to do the bull event and it was clearly desgined for men because the model complained that her hands were too small to get around the reins. By the third attempt, one of the locals said in Malayalam(Kerala's national language) to one of the other locals operating the bull to "slow it down a little" and to "go carefully". I guess the girls had it a little easier by the third try because they were women. I rewound the tape a few times to make sure this was what was said.
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SteffiGurl 358 desperate attention whore postings
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07-13-03, 12:05 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Show is totally bogus" |
Both female teams lost based on their own mistakes having little to do with their gender or what country they were in.Monica/Sheree decided to wander the streets of India and get lost, and then washed every piece of laundry and still didn't find the clue. It seemed they strolled their way into their final leg. Tian/Jaree's mistakes were basically forgetting to pick up the coir on their elephant trek, and Tian's trouble with the roadblock, which I admit, may be a gender issue as Tian stated. However, I am regretting the possibilty that David/Jeff seems destined to win this thing, and the problem is mainly that they should have an even number of teams beased on gender. Like this:
4 male teams
4 female teams
4 coed teams or: 3 male teams
3 female teams
6 coed teams This way, the sexes will be balanced. If they stick to a format like this one, it will be easier to see if male couples are more adept to the race. Otherwise, it seems more like a male team will win if the ratio of male to female is 5:2! I mean geez, 5 male teams? It's so obvious one of the male teams is likely to win. If there is a TAR5, they had better even out the ratio already, and put back the second African American team, and maybe even cast an Asian already. Who are these casting directors, and why don't they understand diversity? Maybe the teams have sponsors, and whichever sponsor puts more money into the show, gets their team on. Jon/Al must be sponsored by Ringling Brothers. So they take a few sponsored teams, and a few "normal" teams of "actual" people to keep us couch potatoes interested.
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ShowMeTheWinner 962 desperate attention whore postings
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07-14-03, 01:36 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Is it fair to female contestants in this leg of the race?" |
I gotta say that I had initially disagreed with ALT's post and agreed with many posters' arguments early on. However, I totally changed my mind after hearing T/J's interview from the Early Show about how they couldn't get on the women's train because of the male cameramen. The producers got to know that there is a very high possibility that the women might have gotten molested if they had taken the male train compartments. It's such a horrible thing that the producers let this situation happen to the female contestants for the sake of ratings and drama.If contestants refused to go up that train cos it will lead to outrage of their modesty, is it wrong? Who wants to be groped and pinched? Isn't that a threat to their personal safety?
I agree with your statement. I don't think anyone should be put in the position where they have to compromise themselves that way to win a gameshow on television. And I gotta agree with toddE about how I'd stop watching the show if the same type of people keep winning it. I'd also made a similar comment earlier about how the producers should balance the show a little more by casting an equal number of all-female teams and all-male teams. Given that the show is usually biased towards physically strong teams, it's no surprise that the all-male teams survived much longer than the all-female teams. And the producers are making the odds much worse for the women by casting so many all-male teams and so few all-female teams this season. To think I was so happy when I heard the rumor that the Supremes were going to win TAR4! HAH... How naive of me. If there were any consolation, at least the producers did cast pretty capable women for the all-female teams this time round. I guess they know by now that there's no way the Gutsy Grannies are ever gonna win even if they were given a week of headstart. Other than balancing the number of contestants, the producers could also have more mental challenges to make it fairer for both genders. I was pretty happy when they had the mask challenge and tricky clues in the beginning but I guess they went back to the previous format of having very tough physical legs judging from this episode (#7) and the previews for the next episode. PS: Somebody get Tian and Jaree to come out from lurking! I know they are reading this when Jaree made the comment about the women train compartments!
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