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10. "Pappy w/immunity necklace" |
Can anyone do a close-up of the frame where it appears Pappy has the immunity necklace on? Me of the poor eyesight can't really make this out. I actually do think it's likely that Pappy gets immunity this episode and gives it to Neleh, as it would play very well into the "Tale of Two Cities" theme, but it would be great to have video imagery confirming this for certain.
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12. "RE: Pappy w/immunity necklace" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-02 AT 05:11 AM (EST)I just enlarged it in Paint, but this might help... http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/User_files/3cde2fa80ae5524d It is still not 100% conclusive, but I am pretty sure that the person on the far left is wearing the IN. This person looks to be Pappy. One thing for sure in this is that Sean and Vee, who are up front, are not wearing a necklace. edited to shout out to the cat...
If we can get an animated cap of the TC walk sequence, then we might be able to determine better who has the necklace... 
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54. "RE: hold your horses" |
Shakes, You're right, it looks like I jumped the gun on this one. With Bunglers new pics down below on this thread, and Ice Cats blown up shots, It is Kathy, not Pappy that was that blur. I wouldn't quite count Pappy out on winning IC yet though. Kathy is probably not wearing the necklace in this pic, Sean, and Vee are definately not wearing it. Ice Cat says that Nelleh is not wearing it, but Pappy is not seen enough in the clear pics to even speculate wether he is wearing it or not. With the IC being the story challenge (conjecture), I believe that this would favor him.
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3. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
Ok I got them up there I did forget to block out the wording to make it easier to see but I guess it was a good first attempt
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4. "Pappy Has What Around His Neck?" |
This is being discussed over at Mess and Surviior. Until the Great Bungler can cap them for us, I brought blur2k's
caps from Mess over here. It shows Pappy with something around his neck--either the IN or keys and holding a lit torch? When you watch the video on cbs.com you can see him tripping or falling to the ground. Also, notice the word Lose on one of this caps.
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8. "RE: Pappy Has What Around His Neck?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-11-02 AT 10:54 AM (EST)I stole this from Dawg's misdirection thread: "Next Week On Survivor
Kathy is torn when she finds a potentially pivotal decision before her.
While one castaway celebrates jubilantly, Paschal is less than pleased after arriving at an important determination about two tribemates.
Tensions arise at an uncomfortable campfire meeting and erupt the next night at Tribal Council.
A twelfth castaway is voted out, determining the Final Four. " Now, if the person in this caps is really Pappy wearing the IN, is he the castaway that is celebrating jubilantly that the CBS website promotes? The above website preview makes me think that it is not Paschal that wins IN, but maybe Vee or Sean. Maybe the celebration is over winning the SUV. What do you all think?
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9. "RE: Pappy Has What Around His Neck?" |
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14. "Pappy definitely does NOT win Immunity?" |
>The necklace Pappy wearing is
>a metal hoop, not a
>string. Secondly, the immunity necklace
>has many white teeth-like objects
>of various sizes, but none
>as large as those two
>shown in the photo.
>And there appears to be
>only two items on this
>ring. It looks to me
>more like a keyring of
>some sort. .....assuming this is from the walk to TC does this mean we can state with certainty that Pappy does NOT win immunity since that thing on his neck appears to NOT be the necklace.
using the other walk-to-TC pic's we might be able to narrow down our IC candidates to one or two people based on the process of elimination.
Calling out the Cat, we really need your vidcap analysis expertise on this one. 
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05-11-02, 00:28 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
First of all, thanks to Corcam for these.Ok, so we really are having the rehash obsticle course, and it is shown as talk of immunity, so it could very well be the IC. We can see the building of the tikis (like the first challenge won by Maraamu), we see Neleh and Vee (?) breaking something, it could be the fill the tube with coconut juice (like the RC won by Pappy and Sean), I cannot identify anything else, what other challenges could be re-hashed here? They usually always make them build the fire, so that could be one (in the style of the IC won by the General). What others occur to y'all? Also, there has been a lot of talk in the two previews we have (including this one) of Kathy and how she is the swing vote. Could it be that with this info, other posters in several different threads on this board are correct and Kathy might be voted off, or is it just misdirection? I frankly can not even start to guess. Seems like there will be many interesting discussions on this board this week.
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05-12-02, 06:34 PM (EST)
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18. "Animated Close Up of Pappy Falling..." |
As stated by someone else previously, these objects look to shiny white or metallic grey in color and they have a tapered rectangular prism shape with rounded edges. The necklace part does seem to be a large rigid metal hoop. Speculation Starts HereMaybe the hoop necklace is like one of those split rings that you can easily open to slide things onto and off of it (kinda like a giant key ring). Around this stage of the game 'the run around and answer questions about the local history and culture' game happens. The Rudy 'I dunno' game, the Australian 'convicts' game, the African 'crack the ostrich egg' game are previous incarnations. Perhaps this game involves quickly moving from one question point (a tiki adorned altar?) to answering questions about local Marquesan history, legends, and traditions. As each question is answered correctly, the contestant wins a small tiki that they slip onto the hoop style necklace. The other promos show Pappy and Kathy working on small Tiki totem poles just like the previous team challenge that Rotu lost. It has probably already been suggested that this indicates this is the recycled-challenge-mega-race, the one where somebody wins the car. The only wrinkle is that the race course will be through the trees to clearings along the way through the jungle and I expect that there will be a water related portion as well. Speculation Summary: RC (for the car): Recycled-Challenge-Mega-Race IC: Night Time 'Marquesan Trivia Contest'
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20. "RE: Animated Close Up of Pappy Falling..." |
RC (for the car): Recycled-Challenge-Mega-Race IC: Night Time 'Marquesan Trivia Contest'
The Cat shoots....HE SCORES!!!!! Any questions? Anybody?
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05-12-02, 09:32 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
Bungler, you truly are amazing with this stuff, look how clear the caps are.Anyway, I don't know about the rest of you, but from looking at these very clear caps and Ice's great analysis, I just don't think Pappy is wearing the IN It is something else, I just cannot figure out what. I could be what IceCat says, that they are picking up things as they answer the questions in the challenge. What do you all think?
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23. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
I don't have many observations to add, except these:1. Pappy is not wearing the immunity idol. 2. It's interesting at the start of the daytime challenge (RC?) that they start out on the line in one direction (with Kathy at one far end), then when they run past JP they scatter in different directions. Searching for coconuts? That's at least one part of the challenge. 3. With Pappy's tiki tower, I swear it looks like he knocks it down himself. If it were falling accidently, you'd think his body would tense or he'd make some motion to stop it, but he literally steps back and just watches it fall with no facial expression change or anything. 4. I've tried focusing in on the five carrying torches on the beach to see if we could see an immunity necklace, but I just can't make out anything distinct.
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05-12-02, 10:11 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-02 AT 10:16 PM (EST)>4. I've tried focusing in on the five carrying torches on the beach to see if we could see an immunity necklace, but I just can't make out anything distinct.
One thing I notice is the backpack. First Vee, wearing a backpack. Next Sean, wearing a backpack. Followed by Pappy, looks to be wearing a backpack. Then Neleh, can't be sure, but, I think I can make out something on her back. And last Kathy, can't see any backpack on her. I don't know if this means anything, but, if I were immune, I don't know that I'd haul my stuff to TC. (assuming they are walking to TC)
edited for grammar and punctuation, not that it helped any. 
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05-12-02, 11:40 PM (EST)
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30. "Kathy and the "Missing" Backpack" |
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>backpack. First Vee, wearing
>a backpack. Next Sean,
>wearing a backpack. Followed
>by Pappy, looks to be
>wearing a backpack. Then
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05-12-02, 10:27 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
Oh, I forgot to say that Sean is running with stilts in one part of the challenge too.
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05-12-02, 10:15 PM (EST)
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26. "it ain't Pappy, but it might be heleN" |
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some story arc spec that came to my head right now
Burn-it has gone out of his way to distinguish heleN as the prime target of the remaining five players, using a full two episodes to set it up even at the expense of misleading the general audience (not a single TC vote despite the target hype). Now we all know how much MB loves to paint his IC winners as targets. So, we all know that heleN is being painted as a prime target for the vote so if she were to win this week's crucial IC Burn-it would really be able to milk the drama. All I'm saying with the speculation is that regardless of the necklace pic, a heleN IC win fits very well into the story MB has been developing over the last couple of episodes.
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05-13-02, 06:27 AM (EST)
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32. "Unlikely Neleh has Necklace..." |
First... here's Vee with the necklace on: Notice how the white parts of the necklace do not occur until below the shoulder line and that there are only brown beads and cords around the neck. The large white objects (boar's tusks and central tiki) seem quite large on the closeup of Vee. These objects will only be about 2 or 3 pixels long in the long shots of the 5 castaways walking on the beach with their torches. Second... here's a zoomed sequence on Neleh:   The whitest pixels in the largest Neleh zoom are at the base of her neck below her ear and there are a few additional ones on her shoulder. I submit that these are simply highlights. Based upon the caucasian-skin-toned pixel color, Neleh's right arm appears to be stretched out along the length of her torch and her left arm appears to be reaching across her body (possibly to hold her backback strap). We really can't even see the part of her body where the most visible parts of the the necklace would be. There is no real evidence of the necklace being on Neleh. We can, however, definitely see a backpack on Neleh (as with everyone else except Kathy). Third... here's a zoomed sequence on Kathy:  
The only thing we can see here is that she is definitely not carrying a backpack. I can't see anything on Kathy that suggests a necklace.
The best evidence in this sequence of caps is the lack of a backpack on Kathy. This strongly suggests her winning the IC and it also strongly indicates that she has no intention of surrendering her immunity to anyone else.
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39. "Does Kathy's placement tip her hand on her allies?" |
With Kathy walking at the back of the line with no backpack, I would have to agree with IceCat that she is a strong contender for the IC. BUT, does the fact that she is at the back of the line with N/P instead of up near S/V hint toward the possiblity that she has thrown her lot in with N/P? This is what I think she is going to do, for several different reasons:1) She feels more confident, rightly or wrongly, that she can win immunity into the Final Two against P/N. 2) She has a higher level of trust with P/N. 3) She owes P/N her life in this game. 4) She has been with them since the beginning. 
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05-13-02, 03:27 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: WOW" |
I believe that her not carrying her bp could be one of a couple different reasons.
1.She wins immunity, and does not need to take it with her(not wanting to give it up to anyone either).
2.She feels very comfortable with her standing in the tribe. Meaning that she may have already made a deal with one of the other two couples.
I rewatched the last ep, Neleh carried a bag of sort, not a bp like everyone else. Looking at this pic of everyone walking, you would probably not be able to see her carrying her bag. Kathy's bp isn't much of a bp, but would still be able to see it in pic if she were wearing it. As far as the white thing around Neleh's neck, this could be a buff inside out, saw a couple shots in the show where members had them temporarily turned inside out, very white, but I could be wrong
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42. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
SurvivorFever is speculating that it is an amphibious landing craft that might carry a Saturn Vue for the RC.
http://www.survivorfever.net/Speculation.html
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44. "Sean the prophet?" |
I'm sorry, I tried to paste the pics in but it didn't work.  In Corcam's second round of pics from SurvivorFever (the second post in this thread), the last pic is of Sean. He looks very clean-shaven in this pic, especially compared to Bungler's pic of Sean (#43) in this same thread. Is Corcam's pic of Sean
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2) new, and Sean has had an opportunity to shave? (Doubt it) If this is an old pic of an old confessional, which I think it is, what is the significance of showing it in a preview? It could be either: 1) footage of Sean saying words that are now coming back to haunt him, or
2) footage of Sean predicting something that is now coming to pass Does anyone who has seen the preview remember what Sean is saying in this scene?
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53. "RE: New Ep12 Vid Caps" |
>VO: 2 Episodes left, 5
>Survivors remain, it's all come
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>Kathy: Tensions are way too high.
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>Sean: We're leaning towards getting rid
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>VO: 1 Swing Vote
>Kathy: I have to make a
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>was important before...now it's critical. I know it might be crazy/dangerous to take anything from the SeeBS preview voice overs, but wouldn't Sean's suggestion of "we're leaning towards getting rid of Neleh or Pap" and Kathy's "decison which way to go" be something they would say AFTER the IC (just before the TC)? If so, would Sean use the plural "we" if he won the IC? I don't think so since he probably wouldn't be too concerned what anyone else voted if he had the IN. Of course, he would want to know about votes even if he did win IN, but I can't see him using the phrase "we're leaning" in confession if that were the case. On the other hand, Kathy says "I have to make a decision which way to go." If she did NOT win IC, would she should have a decision as to "which way to go"? I think "way" refers to which two people (N/P or S/V) as opposed to which one person. With this "logic," the other discussions in this thread regarding the vid caps of Kathy without the bp (compared to the others wearing it), and my other conclusions, I believe KATHY will win IC. However, I'm not so certain anymore which way she will vote!! At first, my guess was she would go after Pappy since he would be considered the strongest threat to her out of the remaining survivors. However, there are compelling reasons (PagonRatEater summarizes my thoughts nicely why) she would stick with N/P.
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56. "RE: Kathy's backpack" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-14-02 AT 01:59 PM (EST)> Kathy walking without a
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>assume she has won immunity. Kathy has the same backpack that Sean and Vee are carrying here. It was in good enough shape for her to carry on her back to the last TC, and didn't seem to be in danger of falling apart. But even if the straps had broken in the 3 days since the last walk to TC, it's still too bulky to be completely blocked by her profiled body. There would be some evidence that she was carrying it with her left hand or over her left shoulder. Looking at the picture below, it's obvious that she isn't carrying it anywhere.  Fester
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63. "It's NOT a backpack, OK?" |
Whatever that tiny fleck of white pixels is, it's certainly not her backpack.First of all, she is not walking with the posture of someone who has a hefty backpack full of her belongings over one shoulder. Second, if she was carrying that big ol' thing over her left shoulder, it would certainly be sticking out a whole lot more than that. Have you taken a close look at those things? This isn't a handbag we're talking about here. It's wide enough to take up her entire back. If she were wearing it on her shoulder, the width of the bag would be much wider than her profile. You wouldn't see just a little fleck of the bag, you'd see a decent portion of it. Third, Bungler has one full stride's worth of vidcaps with Kathy visible (I'm not going to cut and paste them, but trust me they're in this thread). In it, we see no evidence of anything behind her, or of the white fleck growing. Objects hanging from a shoulder that are not being held be the hand move as the walker moves. There would be some motion to this fleck, and definitely something emerging from behind her as she walks. There is NO SUCH protrusion. The visual evidence combined with the SNN spoiler is enough for me. Once and for all, she is not carrying her backpack. However, if you all want to beat your heads against the wall, go right ahead. This argument is done.
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65. "RE: It's NOT a backpack, OK?" |
I killed the argument on the EZboards and I will kill it here.
No Bag, Immunity for Kathy.here is a gif for proof... 
Hail Kathy! the Sole survivor!
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66. "RE: It's NOT a backpack, OK?" |
I agree. This (no backpack photo) is totally not obvious to those people who (unlike us) do not obsess over every tiny clue. If bungler wasn't so capable, I'd never have noticed. And those who say she's so confident she just doesn't carry it are really stretching. Kathy is no Keith. Plus, giving a tiny clue that Kathy wins IC doesn't even take away from the suspense, since it's been which pair survives the week intact anyway.
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68. "RE: It's NOT a backpack, OK?" |
Hi, first time poster. I could be totally wrong but when Kathy's son left the island I seem to remember he was wearing a backpack. Do you think think he was given his own along with the buff he got or do you think maybe his mother game him her's and that's why Kathy isn't wearing one.
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69. "Now there's a great first post!" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-14-02 AT 05:43 PM (EST)Excellent question, Spike! ... and posted in a thread where a discussion is already underway! hmmmm... does anyone remember if the kid had a backpack during the first couple of minutes he was at the camp. I don't think he was wearing it when the walked in. I'm going to go check the tape. I'm back... He was definitely wearing the backpack as he walked into camp with his mom. It was a shiny new one too (no frayed edges, etc.) 
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72. "RE: Now there's a great first post!" |
Boy you guys are quick. Thanks for responding, that backpack thing was really bugging me.
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05-15-02, 07:09 AM (EST)
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73. "RE: Kathy's backpack" |
I don't know what that is by her leg, but I am satisfied with the latest vidcaps that she is carrying nothing besides her torch (I must be the only one here who still has not seen this preview on TV). Last week Kathy carried her backpack to TC. In reviewing the last few episodes I did notice that Neleh has carried a sack resembling a pillow case to TC rather than a backpack.Just to help further put this to sleep I reviewed the walks to TC in each episode since the merge because I was wondering if it was typical for the IC winner not to carry their stuff to TC. Here's what I found: Ep7 Kathy wins IC but you can't see if she has her gear.
Ep8 Tammy wins IC, she doesn't carry her gear.
Ep9 Tammy wins IC again, not carrying her gear.
Ep10 Robert wins IC, he doesn't carry his gear.
Ep11 Vee wins IC, she doesn't carry her gear. It's clear that the IC winner is not required and usually doesn't carry their gear to TC. I would think that this is also an indication that they will not give up immunity. Dan
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