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""Final 24" (the results are in)"
LAST EDITED ON 02-17-05 AT 00:50 AM (EST)

Stay out if ya don't wanna know (I think AI has aired everywhere in the U.S. at this point, so I don't think this is really a spoiler at this point, but I certainly wouldn't want to risk ruining if for someone). The final 24 were revealed to us and we were introduced to several 'new' folks in this episode. ETF some improper name spellings...

Guys:

Judd Harris
David Brown
Bo Bice
Mario Vazquez
Anthony Federov
Scott Savol
Travis Tucker
Ozzie Smith (who know goes as Nikko Smith???)
Jared Yates
Joseph Moreno
Constantine Maroulis
Anwar Robinson

Gals:

Nadia Turner
Celena Rae
Janay Castine
Lindsey Cardinale
Jessica Sierra
Melinda Lira
Vonzell Solomon
Amanda Avila
Mikalah Gordon
Carrie Underwood
Sarah Mather
Aloha Mischeaux

The gals are all cute (no real surprise there...double standards in full effect).

I am very confident in saying that the eventual top 12 will be the best top 12 by far. These are some very talented people and we're FINALLY getting more substance over story I believe there are still a few people we haven't heard at all yet...but from what we have heard, these guys (overall) are so much better than all of the Carmens and JPs and Jim Verraros etc.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Post removed Bebo 02-17-05 2
 RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) callalilly3000 02-17-05 3
   RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) DontGetMeStarted 02-17-05 4
       RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) Roo 02-17-05 7
           RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) DontGetMeStarted 02-18-05 25
   RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) SweetTooth 02-18-05 26
 RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) badger 02-17-05 5
   YES! PhoenixMons 02-17-05 6
       RE: YES! true 02-17-05 8
           true PhoenixMons 02-17-05 9
               RE: true Devious Weasel 02-17-05 23
           RE: YES! munson 02-19-05 27
 Our fresh meat: greenmonstah 02-17-05 10
   RE: Our fresh meat: PhoenixMons 02-17-05 13
       RE: Our fresh meat: ginger 02-17-05 18
           Correct me if I'm wrong Coconut 02-17-05 20
               You heard right PhoenixMons 02-17-05 22
 RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) Tahj 02-17-05 11
   RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) califan 02-17-05 19
       RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) Tahj 02-17-05 21
 RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) opinionated 02-17-05 12
   RE: "Final 24" (the results are in) Spidey 02-17-05 14
       jinx PhoenixMons 02-17-05 16
 Semi-finals process PhoenixMons 02-17-05 15
   RE: Semi-finals process Silverado 02-17-05 17
   RE: Semi-finals process BriarRosie 02-17-05 24

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3. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
I am very confident in saying that the eventual top 12 will be the best top 12 by far. These are some very talented people and we're FINALLY getting more substance over story I believe there are still a few people we haven't heard at all yet...but from what we have heard, these guys (overall) are so much better than all of the Carmens and JPs and Jim Verraros etc.


I totally agree. This promises to be the best season yet.



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4. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
Finally a great season! I hate the 9 pm new time though!
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7. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
I see a lot of talent in the final group, and I can't wait to hear more from them.


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25. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
"Loving the 9 pm slot of Wednesdays, 'cause it doesn't interfere with Lost"


I have to get up at 4am on Thursdays so I'm not doing a happy dance about it!

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26. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
Definately the best crop ever. It will be another entertaining season!
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5. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
thanks for posting this phoenixmons.

i like some of the format changes. i thought "the chair" last night really gave the audience a chance to see each finalist up close (before we move to the next round). obviously, some people have been given more background story (constantine, anwar, for example), but yesterday's episode gave everyone somewhat of a chance to be "seen."

i'm also looking forward to the next around moving quickly. i'm glad we don't have to suffer through weeks at this stage. top 6 go through from boys and girls i'm guessing?

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6. "YES!"
This format is SOOOOO much better! There so much greater chance for the actual best 6 to get through this way. In seasons past, we had some groupings with fantastic singers all in one group, which lead to the dismissal of people who should have stayed (there've been a lot, but I can't recall off the top of my head). This way, they have a 50/50 shot of making it and it's much more likely that one group of fanatics (i.e. people who kept voting for JP and/or John Stevens last time around) won't take the place of someone more deserving...

Everything about this season makes more sense (i.e. no guest "judges" during the finals - they served no purpose whatsoever and it was just silly to have them there)!


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8. "RE: YES!"
I'm not sure how the format has changed, other than splitting male/female. One thing I find very annoying, and unfair is how so many of the top 24 have been hidden up to this point.

There were several contestants last night that I don't remember seeing or hearing before! What is the point of hiding the talent? I could be ok with it, if the judges were picking the final 12, but they're not, the voting public is choosing. People have already picked their "favorites" due to lots of exposure for a few of the finalists. I think it sucks rocks.

In the early voting, people vote for who they know. They have several performances, that have already been heavily featured, to judge. If say, Constantine, Carrie, or Anthony flub in the next performance, they're much more likely to be put through anyway, because the voters have a bigger picture of their talent at this point. I think this is a huge advantage for those contestants.

Hidden talent like Celena, Nikko (he'll always be OJ to me), Jared, and Jessica will have ONE shot to get the votes. I think it is really unfair, and so unnecessary to hide finalists like they have been. If I were one of those hidden finalists, I'd be screaming bloody murder!

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9. "true"
hehe, I said true

But this isn't anything new. We've always had lots of 'hidden' folks in the top 36. This time around there are less and I think there may only be three or four that we've yet to hear sing (Aloha and Joseph Moreno off the top of my head...I don't recall ever hearing either of them).

I definitely agree that it's a huge advantage/disadvantage. BUT, in season 1, we only saw a little bit of Kelly Clarkson prior to the top 36 and look at how well she did. I know that there were some 'surprise' finalists in season 2 (if I am remembering the right season). Some of them were never shown prior to the top 36 (I think at least two of them).

I think they sort of have to do this in order to keep SOME level of surprise. I am hoping that maybe they'll show past clips of these unknowns next week (I believe they've always done this before). Overall, I think this set-up is far more likely to get the good folks in than past seasons. I do agree that it's unfair for the un-featured contestants, though. But Latoya was completely unfeatured (I am almost certain we never saw her at all until the final 36) and she made it to the top 4. It's a disadvantage, but it's not something that can't be overcome.

The format is different in that instead of voting for 2 of the 8, we are now voting to put through 6 of the 12. There is no wildcard. In a sense, that's unfair to those unseen people, but by having 6 go through from each group, the chances are much greater that a rabid fan base won't eliminate them (as it has in the past).


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23. "RE: true"
That's why I'd like to see the entire audition processed covered in a week and then have a longer contest process. Follow the TAR lead and throw some non-elimination weeks in there. You could pre-announce some of them and surprise announce others. (It might be nice to see how some of them do when they know there is no chance of getting sent home - the freedom from that fear might improve some performances.)


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27. "RE: YES!"
While it's true true that some of the "hidden" contestants only get one chance to impress the viewing audience, this could act in their favor. An unknown who can knock the ball out of the park (unexpectedly) will benefit from anonymity.

I've read several posts that seem to indicate that Scott Savol hasn't necessarily benefitted from his exposure to this point. Many have problems with his attitude. In fact, Fantasia had to overcome the same kind of attitude issues during her run to the crown.

LaToya wasn't shown at all until the round of 32 but her performance in her group put here front and center.

I'd agree that exposure during the preliminary auditions is most often a positive. I'm just not sure it's such a negative for those with real talent who aren't featured.

Previous editions have shown us that style, image, quirkiness, personality can keep you in the running but ultimately, talent does win out.

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10. "Our fresh meat:"
http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/



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13. "RE: Our fresh meat:"
Monsty, you got something against Bo? He rocks! I didn't realize he'd been in the top 44, so when I saw that he'd made it to the top 24 I was quite happy!

His name does work well for this little ditty...

Bice Bice Bo Bice
Banana Fanana Fo Fice
Me My Mo Mice
Bi-ice!



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18. "RE: Our fresh meat:"
Too funny. I sing the Name Game every time they say "Bo Bice" too.



Of course, we'd probably enjoy the show more if we drank every time they said "Bo Bice" instead.

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20. "Correct me if I'm wrong"
but did I not hear the judges call him 'Harold'?

That could kill it for me, I think.


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22. "You heard right"
Harold 'Bo' Bice is how he was credited in the Hollywood auditions when they showed the three rockers together. I wonder if there is something significant about 'Bo'. Otherwise, Bo isn't exactly a step up from Harold


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11. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
The one change I'm not sure I like is choosing an equal number of men and women. That meant that some really talented people didn't make it simply because they were male or female.

And yeah, why is the show showing bias towards some contestants over others when it comes to audience perspective and perception? Are they trying to have more control over who ultimately gets selected?


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>And yeah, why is the show
>showing bias towards some contestants
>over others when it comes
>to audience perspective and perception?
> Are they trying to
>have more control over who
>ultimately gets selected?


hi, long time luker first time poster on this board

anyways, they do this every season. Its obvious the judges have their favorites and they get promoted like heck througout the show. prime example is reuben. the way they always said reuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuben and nicknamed him. They have in mind who they want to represent, who will make good tv and money when its all over and try to sway the audience into voting the way they want.

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21. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
Welcome to the boards Califan!


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12. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
I also think it's unfair that some of these people have had no exposure up to this point. It definitely puts them at a disadvantage. On the bright side, if they "hit it out of the ballpark" (like Latoya did last year in the semi-finals), it'll take people by such surprise that they might actually get more votes as a result.

So, was there anyone that people were upset to see eliminated? Off the top of my head, the only one I was a little disappointed about was the heavy-set crooner guy from Vegas. I thought they did a pretty good job choosing otherwise. I'm not sure how the two rocker guys are going to pan out, but I'll keep an open mind. I'm really not jazzed about any of the girls so far. Carrie has a nice voice and will probably make it pretty far in the competition, but I'm not rooting for her (at least not yet). I really like two of the guys, though...Anwar and David.

So are we eliminating 6 girls and 6 guys next week, or will it be 1 girl and 1 guy per week? How is this going to work? Anyone know?

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14. "RE: "Final 24" (the results are in)"
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I think it's the bottom 2 of each gender getting eliminated each week for 3 weeks. Then we'll have our top 12 (6 of each)

Someone will be along to correct me shortly if I am wrong.


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15. "Semi-finals process"
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I was curious about this as I knew they were going to get it down to 6 men and 6 women, but that there were supposedly 3 semi rounds.

This is from the AI site:

Over 100,000 people tried out. The judges have picked their favorite 24. Over the next three weeks, the guys will perform on Monday and the girls will perform on Tuesday, with the fans voting each night. On Wednesday, two guys and two girls will be sent home until we have 6 guys and 6 girls for our 12 finalists. And from there, they'll perform each week for you until you've voted for your next American Idol!


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17. "RE: Semi-finals process"
was a pretty decent show last night-thought they did a good job with the suspense.

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24. "RE: Semi-finals process"
I think I'm going to like this format better. I'd rather
see the bottom of the barrel drop off each week, just like
they do with the 12 person finals.


But dang it, AI is interfering with The Bachelorette!

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