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2. "RE: Soldiers Say pull-out would be devastating" |
I don't know if there is such a survey. Last week on one of the news channels I saw a report about soldiers who had been in Iraq petitioning the government to get us out of Iraq. I don't have a link to the story, unfortunately.
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11-07-06, 10:18 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Soldiers Say pull-out would be devastating" |
Keep flogging that tired old dog, PRE.WaPo, along with the NYTimes, have not been the leftwing mouthpieces you guys love to claim they are for years, if they ever have been. There is no difference between their reporting and that of the WSJ or FOXNews for the entirety of this adminstration. They have been, and still are, whores and shills for the entire neocon agenda. Whether that is from fear, intimidation, slavish devotion to power, or just inept whorishness, it is a sure thing that neither one of those publications have been in any, way, shape, or form opposing this president and his policies in any serious way. This kind of article, in fact, just proves my point. What does it really tell you? It's not like its any kind of scientific polling or anything. It's a few soldiers' opinions. I could round up some soldiers and come up with an article saying just the opposite by picking and choosing the ones who make the point supporting my conclusion. It means nothing other than another article in support of the contention that somehow Dems don't support the troops and want us to lose in every way possible. Or, put more simply, vote for the Dems and you vote for treason. I'm sick of this kind of innuendo and I'm going to call it out every.single.time.I.see.it.from.now.on. 
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11-07-06, 10:58 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Soldiers Say pull-out would be devastating" |
*smooch*Thank you. You do it so much better than I can! 
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11-07-06, 11:11 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Soldiers Say pull-out would be devastating" |
The evidence is overwhelming that the MSM is a playground of the Left. Whether you look at the Pew Survey that 70% of journals and 80%+ of editorial boards are self-described liberals, or just the consistent bias in reporting it is obvious that the media is not to be trusted by the Right. After all, where to you think the Limbaughs and Hannitys came from - if there were a huge void in the national press they would not have been able to step in and fill it.I don't want to argue this point, mostly because I don't think I can convince you and I think it is pretty self-evident. But I will provide a link on the reporting just from this election cycle that reconfirms once again the extreme liberal bias in the media.
http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=246150694225203 I could fill this page with links of studies by slews of organizations. I would like to see you produce a few to support the case that you are making.
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11-07-06, 11:50 AM (EST)
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24. "Speaking as a Librul" |
I think it would be nice if we had a genuinely Librul media in this country somewhere. For a change.
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11-07-06, 11:27 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Soldiers Say pull-out would be devastating" |
If you want to argue that the liberal media can't be trusted because they are so biased, can't the exact same thing be said about the conservative media?
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11-07-06, 11:43 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Soldiers Say pull-out would be devastating" |
You do realize that this study is actually a media self-assessment of how they are doing, right? There is no actual analysis of reporting and no independent review of whether their self-statements are true.Furthermore, this is a push poll on issues put out by a progressive think tank with liberal views on these issues. Not at all on par with UCLA or Pew. They are proceeding from an assumption (the media is centrist) and then gathering data to support that assumption. Anyone would tell you that is bad methodology. Anything a little more substantive? Or a little less biased resource?
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11-07-06, 11:42 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: Soldiers Say pull-out would be devastating" |
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2447http://mediamatters.org/items/200505110005 There ya go. And the model that Groseclose and Milyo used to conduct their research has more than a few academics who criticise it. And the obvious bias of an editorial in Investor.com I won't even comment on. Let's stick to at least a surface resemblance to objectivity based on some sort of scientific method, no matter how flawed.
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11-07-06, 01:03 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: here is a poll of US soldiers" |
Good find, Hobbes. It's interesting how different the Marines and National Guard reserves felt about it. I imagine most National Guard reservists didn't expect to actually get deployed out of the country when they joined.Also interesting is how they view the American public. An excerpt: The troops have drawn different conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work. Another 16% said they believe those favoring a quick withdrawal do so because they oppose the use of the military in a pre-emptive war, while 15% said they do not believe those Americans understand the need for the U.S. troops in Iraq. Wanting them back home out of harm's way in a failed and ill-conceived mission is unpatriotic? Wow. 
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11-07-06, 11:15 AM (EST)
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11. "That's interesting ..." |
The last soldier I was with told me not to pull out either. Who am I to argue with the troops?
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11-07-06, 11:21 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: That's interesting ..." |
So, um...was it...like...uh..."mission accomplished"?
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11-07-06, 12:29 PM (EST)
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30. "Question for PRE" |
And how many soldiers do you, PRE, know personally? Come face to face with every day? Speak to? How many military men and women are in your family, serving today?It's all well and good to post links to newpaper articles, blogs, commentaries, etc, etc, but really, when was the last time YOU spoke to anyone who has served, is serving, or will serve in Iraq? My 21 year old nephew is getting ready to deploy to Iraq for the THIRD TIME in two years. His first deployment was exactly two years ago. He was ready to go, happy to go, willing to serve. His second deployment last fall wasn't really met with that much enthusiasm. He understood he has a committment to serve his country and went because it's his duty. He'd been there, done that, and just wanted to get back home. Thank God he came back in one piece. Not too sure about his psyche, though. Now, he is getting ready to go back the week of Thanksgiving. He's done. He doesn't want to go back. He knows what is waiting for him. He knows the effort is lost, he knows this is a FUBAR, a quagmire beyond what Vietnam ever was or could have been. I pray to God every day he makes it back alive, and he hasn't even left yet. Many of his buddies didn't come home the last time. He just wants to make it to May so he can get out, come home, and enroll in college. I hate this war. I despise the people who got us into it. And by the way, I work for the Dept of the Army. I live in an Army town. I am surrounded by soldiers, soldiers' families, retired military, and the soldiers' civilian support personnel like myself. I am not alone in my thoughts. Trust me on this. I am not the lone liberal in my community spouting off the liberal media's jargon just because we hate Bush and Rumsfeld. These people know what I know --this war is a sham. We need to get our people out of there. Now. NOW.  
And really, IMHO, bringing up Kerry's botched joke in this context doesn't really do anything but make you look like a jerk. Sorry if that offends you, but your post offended me.
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11-07-06, 02:23 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Question for PRE" |
You said what I wanted to say, Augie. I didn't mainly because I figured I would be smacked down by someone saying that my contacts with veterans in my role as coordinator of VA educational benefits here are not objective or scientifically valid.But by trying to pit my evidence (admittedly, they can be disputed) against PRE's evidence of media bias (just as disputed, but not admittedly), I ended up with the same result. So I'll just go with what I know from people I am in contact with every single day. I deal with active duty veterans from all the services; reserves from the Marines, Army, and Air Force; and PA National Guard. I am the staff person here on campus with whom they probably have the most contact, mainly because I am their designated contact/liason. They know how much I respect them and that feeling goes both ways. And I never discuss my views with them. You could talk to any single of them and ask them my political orientation and I can guarantee that not one of them could tell you how I feel about the war or show you any instance in which I revealed my political leanings to them, other than how I feel about their concerns about veterans programs and how they adminstered by the VA. The Reserves and National Guard are pretty outspoken in their criticisms of this war and this administration. No one even has to prompt them. They will happily tell you that this war is the most dispiriting thing they have ever been through. Some of these guys are long-time reservists who have seen a lot and many of whom were once active duty during Gulf War I and on duty in the Balkans. Some of them have been in Iraw two and three tours, interrupting their family lives, devastating their family finances, and missing their children's milestones and births. So we're not talking about people who have never seen action before or who haven't seen how screwed up things can get in the heat of battle. Our veterans of active duty are less outspoken. They tend to still often have that military mindset of being a part of a company or platoon. Our highest ranked vet on campus (also the oldest of the bunch) seems to be their spokesperson. He's the one that gives them advice on other vet's benefits and who comes to me to voice any common concerns. In his very quietly authoritative way, he has made known (in the most discreet way possible) how much of a FUBAR this mission is in his eyes. I have a soft spot for all these guys (and they are mostly guys). They work hard. They are grateful for the benefits they receive for education. They are respectful. They are dedicated students. They are good role models on campus. I try to help them in every possible way because of my admiration for them. So, the implication that is always made that, as a Democrat who wants a change in the Iraq policy, I somehow don't support the troops and might even be betraying them is so much garbage. I spend more time with the troops and do more to help them out than most people I know. I don't want glory for it, but I refuse to accept the labels people like to slap on me. I daresay the troops would say the same.
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11-07-06, 02:28 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Question for PRE" |
The military code of conduct discourages members of the military from going public with their political opinions. Not that they do not have legitimate political venues, they do, but they have to walk the tightrope should they employ their options.
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11-07-06, 02:51 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Question for PRE" |
One of the guys I work with is active National Guard (and I do know some others who are active in the military). He has been deployed twice in the past several years and is so disgusted with how things have been going that he has no intention of re-upping when his term is up. It's a shame, he had intended to remain in the Guard as long as he could, he has no problem serving his country; but he's so thorougly disgusted with how things are going and no longer wants to be abused for his love of his country.
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11-07-06, 04:03 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Question for PRE" |
A disable vet, in a wheel chair, came out for the dems in a TV ad in Ohio. He called Debra Pryce (pub) some names too.
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