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"After the Dissolve, The Players, Th..."
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85. "RE: The Amber edit" |
>BUT, the game has twists and >turns and switches for the >SOLE purpose of seeing if >the people involve can ADAPT. >Rob's position is better this time >but that is the luck >of the draw but Rob >is doing wonderfully with the >cards he was dealt. >Viewers could debate how each >person on Survivor would have >done if not for the >tribe they were on, twists, >swaps, etc. I think this is the crux of the whole Survivor idiom, VS. I was thinking about it this morning as I drove in, fresh from my statement yesterday that I'd be disappointed if Rob doesn't win after playing such a dominating game on so many levels. Without doubt, Survivor is NOT an individual game, even after the merge -- it's all about how one manages the hand one was dealt at the outset in the context of all the other people each having their own hand to manage. It's just as much about capitalizing on any fortunate happenstance as it is about adapting to any gameplay misfortunes, as either type of circumstance could be visited upon any one of the competitors at any time. It is essentially pointless for Spoilers to conjecture about what could have happened to X winner if he'd had what struck us as more "difficult" circumstances to deal with, just as it's essentially pointless for us to ponder alternative outcomes for Y loser if only she'd had a more favourable opening hand. The fact is that this game hinges on what you do with the cards you were dealt, whether they were initially terrific (we've seen people blow very strong hands) or dismal (just as we've seen people dig themselves out of what appeared to be a terminal situation by sheer cunning in their play with, and against, other competitors). While it may in some ways feel satisfying to see an "underdog" turn it around and eventually prevail, for me it would be just as satisfying -- if not more -- to see someone with a big target on his back take it all the way regardless. That person has had to overcome just as many -- if not more -- potentially dangerous situations as the underdog. Rob is sitting on a very strong hand at the moment, but that's not just because he lucked into a decent situation. They've been out there three weeks, so the initial scenarios are a distant memory. What we have now with Rob and Chapera is ongoing good management of what was a favourable initial scenario. But let us see whether he is able to adapt his gameplay for the post-merge environment, and survive in what will be a much less comfortable scenario -- just as we will see whether other players, such as Jenna, are able to overcome what was a pretty poor initial position and turn it into a good place to be. While initial luck does play into this game (and while some people simply luck their way all the way to the end, coughJennaMcough), eventually it is most satisfying for all of us when we are able to clearly see the skill of the individual in capitalizing on good fortune, or surmounting ill fortune, as he manages his strategy and relationships and physical strength and mental fortitude throughout the game. I would certainly love to see an alpha male like Rob win this tournament because that, to me, would be as a result of him doing just the right amount of all of the above despite being an "obvious threat" -- which, of course, in many ways is its own "bad luck" to start with.
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After the Dissolve, The Players, Th... |
VerucaSalt |
02-27-04 |
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RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
VerucaSalt |
02-27-04 |
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RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
raidersfantom |
02-27-04 |
2 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
true |
02-27-04 |
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RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
wendyp |
02-27-04 |
4 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
VerucaSalt |
02-27-04 |
5 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
Blow by Blow |
02-27-04 |
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RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
Flowerpower |
02-27-04 |
7 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
ADKer |
02-27-04 |
11 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
managerr |
02-27-04 |
8 |
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redbeard103152 |
02-27-04 |
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Brownroach |
02-27-04 |
9 |
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JohnMc |
02-27-04 |
12 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
VerucaSalt |
02-27-04 |
13 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
memacmur |
02-27-04 |
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few quick thoughts |
I_AM_HE |
02-27-04 |
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RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
munson |
02-27-04 |
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bondt007 |
02-27-04 |
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VerucaSalt |
02-28-04 |
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Chez |
02-28-04 |
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VerucaSalt |
02-28-04 |
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RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
pinchy |
02-28-04 |
21 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
Cuauhtewatemoccajava |
02-28-04 |
22 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
udg |
02-29-04 |
23 |
Players Vs. Drama |
Flowerpower |
02-29-04 |
24 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
Rothschild |
02-29-04 |
25 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
Flowerpower |
03-04-04 |
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Rupert |
SnowBunny |
03-04-04 |
27 |
RE: Rupert |
okaloosajohn |
03-05-04 |
35 |
RE: Rupert |
Loree |
03-05-04 |
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RE: Rupert |
I_AM_HE |
03-05-04 |
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Narrators, Commentators, and Strate... |
Risti |
03-05-04 |
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pinchy |
03-05-04 |
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RE: Narrators, Commentators, and St... |
I_AM_HE |
03-05-04 |
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chapera and the reaction to sue |
badger |
03-05-04 |
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RE: chapera and the reaction to sue |
raidersfantom |
03-05-04 |
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RE: chapera and the reaction to sue |
spastiman |
03-05-04 |
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RE: chapera and the reaction to sue |
Loree |
03-05-04 |
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RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
memacmur |
03-05-04 |
38 |
RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
I_AM_HE |
03-05-04 |
39 |
RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
memacmur |
03-05-04 |
40 |
RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
VerucaSalt |
03-05-04 |
41 |
RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
Flowerpower |
03-06-04 |
42 |
RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
Loree |
03-06-04 |
43 |
RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
VerucaSalt |
03-07-04 |
44 |
RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam... |
VerucaSalt |
03-09-04 |
45 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
Get Bent |
03-10-04 |
46 |
The Robfadda Show |
Flowerpower |
03-10-04 |
47 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
Brownroach |
03-10-04 |
48 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
VerucaSalt |
03-10-04 |
49 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
Brownroach |
03-10-04 |
50 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
VerucaSalt |
03-10-04 |
51 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
redbeard103152 |
03-10-04 |
52 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
Get Bent |
03-11-04 |
54 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
Brat2u |
03-23-04 |
100 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
emydi |
03-23-04 |
101 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
Brownroach |
03-23-04 |
102 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
emydi |
03-23-04 |
103 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
Brat2u |
03-24-04 |
105 |
RE: The Robfadda Show |
ManateeBob |
03-26-04 |
120 |
Sue's Web Chat |
Get Bent |
03-10-04 |
53 |
EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
EMT135 |
03-12-04 |
55 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
Flowerpower |
03-12-04 |
56 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
SouperStar |
03-12-04 |
57 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
VerucaSalt |
03-12-04 |
58 |
Rupert... |
udg |
03-12-04 |
59 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
EMT135 |
03-12-04 |
60 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
raidersfantom |
03-12-04 |
61 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
ADKer |
03-12-04 |
62 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
Brat2u |
03-19-04 |
92 |
RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit |
Brownroach |
03-19-04 |
93 |
Tom |
buckeyegirl |
03-12-04 |
63 |
RE: Tom |
VerucaSalt |
03-12-04 |
64 |
RE: Episode 7 editting and characte... |
memacmur |
03-12-04 |
65 |
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I_AM_HE |
03-13-04 |
66 |
RE: Episode 7 editting and characte... |
VerucaSalt |
03-17-04 |
67 |
Episode 8 Updates |
Get Bent |
03-17-04 |
68 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
VerucaSalt |
03-18-04 |
69 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
badger |
03-18-04 |
70 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
a98c4fun |
03-18-04 |
72 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
Loquatrix |
03-18-04 |
77 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
Loree |
03-18-04 |
79 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
Naked |
03-19-04 |
82 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
mtopaz |
03-18-04 |
73 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
Flowerpower |
03-18-04 |
75 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
Brownroach |
03-18-04 |
76 |
RE: Episode 8 Updates |
Flowerpower |
03-18-04 |
80 |
Rob & Rupert edit... |
udg |
03-19-04 |
88 |
RE: Rob & Rupert edit... |
Loree |
03-19-04 |
89 |
RE: Rob & Rupert edit... |
Get Bent |
03-19-04 |
90 |
RE: Rob & Rupert edit... |
Loquatrix |
03-19-04 |
94 |
RE: Rob & Rupert edit... |
I_AM_HE |
03-19-04 |
95 |
The Amber edit |
Loree |
03-18-04 |
71 |
RE: The Amber edit |
pinchy |
03-18-04 |
74 |
RE: The Amber edit |
VerucaSalt |
03-18-04 |
78 |
RE: The Amber edit |
Flowerpower |
03-18-04 |
81 |
RE: The Amber edit |
VerucaSalt |
03-19-04 |
83 |
RE: The Amber edit |
Flowerpower |
03-19-04 |
84 |
RE: The Amber edit |
Loquatrix |
03-19-04 |
85 |
Jerri |
Oscirus |
03-19-04 |
86 |
RE: Jerri |
VerucaSalt |
03-19-04 |
87 |
RE: Jerri |
I_AM_HE |
03-19-04 |
91 |
RE: Kathy |
ADKer |
03-19-04 |
97 |
RE: Jerri |
Oscirus |
03-22-04 |
98 |
RE: Jerri |
VerucaSalt |
03-23-04 |
99 |
RE: Jerri |
DRONES |
03-24-04 |
104 |
Episode 8 |
memacmur |
03-19-04 |
96 |
Jerri stands a chance |
RyrieRae |
03-24-04 |
106 |
RE: Jerri stands a chance |
VerucaSalt |
03-24-04 |
107 |
RE: Jerri stands a chance |
memacmur |
03-24-04 |
109 |
Jerri=Neleh? |
I_AM_HE |
03-24-04 |
110 |
RE: Jerri=Neleh? |
Brownroach |
03-24-04 |
111 |
RE: Jerri=Neleh? |
memacmur |
03-24-04 |
112 |
RE: Episode 8 |
popsicle |
03-24-04 |
108 |
RE: After the recrap |
Flowerpower |
03-24-04 |
113 |
RE: After the recrap |
I_AM_HE |
03-25-04 |
114 |
RE: After the recrap |
DRONES |
03-25-04 |
115 |
RE: After the recrap |
VerucaSalt |
03-25-04 |
116 |
RE: After the recrap |
Brownroach |
03-25-04 |
117 |
RE: After the recrap |
Cuauhtewatemoccajava |
03-25-04 |
118 |
RE: After the recrap |
VerucaSalt |
03-26-04 |
119 |
RE: After the recrap |
DRONES |
03-29-04 |
121 |
RE: After the recrap |
geg6 |
03-29-04 |
122 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
Flowerpower |
03-29-04 |
123 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
VerucaSalt |
03-30-04 |
124 |
RE: After the Dissolve, The Players... |
geg6 |
03-30-04 |
125 |
After the tribal swap: The Players,... |
Flowerpower |
04-02-04 |
126 |
RE: After the tribal swap: The Play... |
cdlafl |
04-02-04 |
128 |
Jenna L. vote |
Simom72 |
04-02-04 |
127 |
RE: Jenna L. vote |
bdemoney |
04-02-04 |
129 |
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CRyanShort |
04-02-04 |
130 |
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fredscott |
04-02-04 |
132 |
Amber's reaction |
buckeyegirl |
04-02-04 |
131 |
RE: Amber's reaction |
yensid |
04-02-04 |
133 |
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