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58. "RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit"
LAST EDITED ON 03-12-04 AT 10:15 AM (EST)

You are all off to an early start!!
Forgive my ramblings.......

I went over my first "analysis" if you will and most of it is still holding water; mainly in that a leopard can't change his/her spots. Our personalities are shaped/formed at a very young age and only with a lot of work or some major impact that shakes up our lives can a person truly change who they are.

As of this week, those thoughts of mine are very apparent to me. For example:

Ethan “I’m struggling to find my niche"

Still holding fast and true. Now mind you, I really felt that Ethan's swan song won't happen until Rob has some influence on it and hopefully that will still happen. I find it very hard to believe with the animosity shown ESPECIALLY with Ethan pinpointing (as Colby) last night "doesn't like losing to Chapera AND Rob" Foreshadowing?

We know the deal here, past winner, big target. Again though, I see the main goal of his demise is more because of his "golden boy stature" that irks the likes of Rob (not too mention his cavorting with Jenna and Amber) over the fact he was a past winner. He was the hero, now he could be that goat he speaks about.

INITIAL QUOTES
Lex:
"I think I’d be lying if I said there wasn’t a day that went by since being in Africa, that I didn’t think at some point--even if it was just for a moment--about Survivor, about the game, and about the possibility of coming back one day.”
Kathy "Survivor is first and foremost a psychological game"
LAST NIGHT
Lex
"You don't get far playing safe. I already made a decision to change my strategy."
Kathy "You know what they (Chapera) have got that we don't have, they are having fun."
AND A DOOZY FROM WHEN HATCH LEFT
"I have got myself in the middle. I don’t know how I got there. So do you trust your gut, you trust loyalty, or you just go with sorta what makes sense? And where am I going? I don’t know"

Again, I lump them together b/c I do feel they are similar in personality and game play. Emotional people and caring people BUT we saw in the past how emotions ended up overriding practical game play and while some of you may feel (and understandbly so) Lex made a logical and timely decision, to me, it was a decision that was first and foremost emotionally based. While some may think (again understandly so) that Kathy is sizing up the situation practically, she is literally falling under an emotional spell. Mind you, I think their WILL to win is great but personalities are personalties. They are warm, parenting people who also, in turn, think that way.

Kathy is being led down an emotional path of getting what she is lacking from MM (meanwhile Tom gloats over the trap they laid for her)
Lex has laid back during the Hatch reign and seemingly was keeping himself in check but how dare Colby rise to power when Lex's natural inclination IS to be the father and leader of his tribe. He states he made a decision to change his strategy. How? Because he got rid of strength; HOW did he base his decision? I would hazard a guess more so out of emotional gratification than practicality. Even SHE questions going down the path of sense OR the path of loyalty/trust

Alicia
"Everybody knows that if you push my buttons you could get me to crack. That could be my demise.”

Make no mistake, backseat Alicia is only temporary. We saw some narrative perspective from her on Kathy as well as an obvious (to me) setting of her on the fringes of Chapera but have no doubt Alicia (and her mouth) will rise again. Why? Because that is who she is. The focus is off her mouth right now because Chapera is happy. Alicia ironically if stepping back is not in a bad position but will her mouth put her in one?

Tom
INITIAL QUOTE:

"This ain’t a little boy’s game; this is for the big boys”
LAST NIGHT:
"Rupert caught more fish with a stick than I did with a 3 million dollar boat"

Well it is starting to become apparent that Tom, while liking Rupert, has issues as to who the REAL big boy here is. Again, Tom is NOT stupid, he just pretends to be Will it come down to which big boy reigns? Probably yes. "Rupert beat me again"(Foreshadow?) Tom so far is handling his strategy well. He, like last time, is the SAME way and it worked great last time BUT only up until the last quarter

Rob M.
INITIAL QUOTE

"I’m the brains behind this operation, so we’re gonna have to make it work somehow"
LAST NIGHT
(Said by others about being trouble)
We see a lot of charisma from Rob which we saw before. We see a lot of confidence/cockiness which again we have seen before. We saw a lot of lying from Rob which we have seen before. Rob ironically ended up getting into trouble when the merger happened in S4 with his games. We shall see if history is destined to repeat itself; this time at least he IS the Rotu 4 (and then some) as opposed to trying to break it down but I fear, again, somehow, someway his arrogance regarding his own talent may get the best of him OR on the flipside, the tough talking, cocky kid from Boston gets screwed because he allowed himself to let his guard down.........

Rupert Hopefully I can do better this time.”
Well, Rupert didn't learn much in the short period of time from PI. And because we are seeing a not so HEROIC Rupert this time around, we know they are not capitalizing (as much) on his popularity but more of Rupert as a person. Rupert is doing what his human nature dictates: trying really hard to compensate for his insecurities and thinking he can get ahead based solely on that. Again, his need for acceptance will override smart playing and he may get blindsided once again.

Jerri There isn't a moment of any day that I don't question why I am out here

I still question her motives as the above quote states. I think Jerri was more hellbent on revenge than anything else (Her statement her goal was to get Colby, well that's done) The fire in her eyes of getting her just rewards was the most spark I've seen from her. Again, human nature dictates and we questioned why she got such low brow editing prior. Surely the Jerri from the beginning was just lying in wait until our beloved S2 Jerri starts showing her skin more. Now we see the emergence (Per Jerri: "Bring it on") I wonder if that is now BECAUSE we will see her downfall come?

Shii Ann
INITIAL QUOTE
"It's as it they couldn't hear us"
LAST NIGHT: "You're underestimating my powers. Perhaps you should spend time analyzing your own" AND "I'm stuck here with a bunch of power players" (you said it SA)

Rowr, SA, well I guess you had your payoff, Colby, who DARED to insult your style of game play (but acknowledging it could get her far) lasted longer than the Colbyesque game play. I still feel fairly secure that SA is not long to win this time of game but be utilized in the game. She herself admits she is amongst power players and while some may crash and burn before her she is NOT meant to outlast all of them.

Amber/Jenna L.
I will give Jenna a piece of her quote from last night
".......something good is coming" (Jenna we shall see)

For this episode, I'm combining them mainly because we mostly saw from them just a real happiness and positive attitude. One thing that DID stick with me was the two of them at the end of the RC/IC challenge where they fell over each other. Obviously if you don't subscribe to how MD edits his show, it means nothing. I just raised an eyebrow on that shot as to whether one of them causes stumbling and/or tripping up of each other at some point

Some things that struck me (some already stated)

Ethan's talk of either being the hero or the goat (Ethan you already had your shot at the hero edit)

Jenna/Rupert not partaking of the toast. (not QUITE Chaperas)

Lots of talk about them thinking about the merge (foreshadowing)

Both Colby and Ethan mentioning Rob specifically (Rob is indeed their cancer. Will Ethan be directly involved with Rob)

Jiffy’s talk about the prevailing wisdom of Mogo, i.e. voting out those who are the most threatening as individuals (with a interesting, we'll see if it plays out for you) (Ouch, foreshadowing?)

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 After the Dissolve, The Players, Th...   VerucaSalt     02-27-04       
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   VerucaSalt     02-27-04     1  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   raidersfantom     02-27-04     2  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   true     02-27-04     3  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   wendyp     02-27-04     4  
     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   VerucaSalt     02-27-04     5  
         RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Blow by Blow     02-27-04     6  
         RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Flowerpower     02-27-04     7  
         RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   ADKer     02-27-04     11  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   managerr     02-27-04     8  
     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   redbeard103152     02-27-04     17  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Brownroach     02-27-04     9  
     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   JohnMc     02-27-04     12  
     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   VerucaSalt     02-27-04     13  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   memacmur     02-27-04     10  
   few quick thoughts   I_AM_HE     02-27-04     14  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   munson     02-27-04     15  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   bondt007     02-27-04     16  
     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   VerucaSalt     02-28-04     18  
         RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Chez     02-28-04     19  
             RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   VerucaSalt     02-28-04     20  
                 RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   pinchy     02-28-04     21  
                     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Cuauhtewatemoccajava     02-28-04     22  
                         RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   udg     02-29-04     23  
   Players Vs. Drama   Flowerpower     02-29-04     24  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Rothschild     02-29-04     25  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Flowerpower     03-04-04     26  
   Rupert   SnowBunny     03-04-04     27  
     RE: Rupert   okaloosajohn     03-05-04     35  
         RE: Rupert   Loree     03-05-04     36  
             RE: Rupert   I_AM_HE     03-05-04     37  
   Narrators, Commentators, and Strate...   Risti     03-05-04     28  
     RE: Narrators, Commentators, and St...   pinchy     03-05-04     29  
         RE: Narrators, Commentators, and St...   I_AM_HE     03-05-04     30  
   chapera and the reaction to sue   badger     03-05-04     31  
     RE: chapera and the reaction to sue   raidersfantom     03-05-04     32  
         RE: chapera and the reaction to sue   spastiman     03-05-04     33  
             RE: chapera and the reaction to sue   Loree     03-05-04     34  
   RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   memacmur     03-05-04     38  
     RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   I_AM_HE     03-05-04     39  
         RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   memacmur     03-05-04     40  
             RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   VerucaSalt     03-05-04     41  
                 RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   Flowerpower     03-06-04     42  
                     RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   Loree     03-06-04     43  
                         RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   VerucaSalt     03-07-04     44  
                             RE: After Sue; The Players, The Gam...   VerucaSalt     03-09-04     45  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Get Bent     03-10-04     46  
   The Robfadda Show   Flowerpower     03-10-04     47  
     RE: The Robfadda Show   Brownroach     03-10-04     48  
         RE: The Robfadda Show   VerucaSalt     03-10-04     49  
             RE: The Robfadda Show   Brownroach     03-10-04     50  
                 RE: The Robfadda Show   VerucaSalt     03-10-04     51  
                     RE: The Robfadda Show   redbeard103152     03-10-04     52  
                 RE: The Robfadda Show   Get Bent     03-11-04     54  
     RE: The Robfadda Show   Brat2u     03-23-04     100  
         RE: The Robfadda Show   emydi     03-23-04     101  
             RE: The Robfadda Show   Brownroach     03-23-04     102  
                 RE: The Robfadda Show   emydi     03-23-04     103  
                 RE: The Robfadda Show   Brat2u     03-24-04     105  
     RE: The Robfadda Show   ManateeBob     03-26-04     120  
   Sue's Web Chat   Get Bent     03-10-04     53  
   EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   EMT135     03-12-04     55  
     RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   Flowerpower     03-12-04     56  
     RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   SouperStar     03-12-04     57  
         RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   VerucaSalt     03-12-04     58  
             Rupert...   udg     03-12-04     59  
             RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   EMT135     03-12-04     60  
             RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   raidersfantom     03-12-04     61  
                 RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   ADKer     03-12-04     62  
     RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   Brat2u     03-19-04     92  
         RE: EP 7: Players, Game, Edit   Brownroach     03-19-04     93  
   Tom   buckeyegirl     03-12-04     63  
     RE: Tom   VerucaSalt     03-12-04     64  
   RE: Episode 7 editting and characte...   memacmur     03-12-04     65  
     RE: Episode 7 editting and characte...   I_AM_HE     03-13-04     66  
         RE: Episode 7 editting and characte...   VerucaSalt     03-17-04     67  
   Episode 8 Updates   Get Bent     03-17-04     68  
     RE: Episode 8 Updates   VerucaSalt     03-18-04     69  
         RE: Episode 8 Updates   badger     03-18-04     70  
         RE: Episode 8 Updates   a98c4fun     03-18-04     72  
             RE: Episode 8 Updates   Loquatrix     03-18-04     77  
                 RE: Episode 8 Updates   Loree     03-18-04     79  
                     RE: Episode 8 Updates   Naked     03-19-04     82  
         RE: Episode 8 Updates   mtopaz     03-18-04     73  
         RE: Episode 8 Updates   Flowerpower     03-18-04     75  
             RE: Episode 8 Updates   Brownroach     03-18-04     76  
                 RE: Episode 8 Updates   Flowerpower     03-18-04     80  
     Rob & Rupert edit...   udg     03-19-04     88  
         RE: Rob & Rupert edit...   Loree     03-19-04     89  
         RE: Rob & Rupert edit...   Get Bent     03-19-04     90  
             RE: Rob & Rupert edit...   Loquatrix     03-19-04     94  
                 RE: Rob & Rupert edit...   I_AM_HE     03-19-04     95  
   The Amber edit   Loree     03-18-04     71  
     RE: The Amber edit   pinchy     03-18-04     74  
         RE: The Amber edit   VerucaSalt     03-18-04     78  
             RE: The Amber edit   Flowerpower     03-18-04     81  
                 RE: The Amber edit   VerucaSalt     03-19-04     83  
                     RE: The Amber edit   Flowerpower     03-19-04     84  
                     RE: The Amber edit   Loquatrix     03-19-04     85  
   Jerri   Oscirus     03-19-04     86  
     RE: Jerri   VerucaSalt     03-19-04     87  
     RE: Jerri   I_AM_HE     03-19-04     91  
         RE: Kathy   ADKer     03-19-04     97  
     RE: Jerri   Oscirus     03-22-04     98  
         RE: Jerri   VerucaSalt     03-23-04     99  
             RE: Jerri   DRONES     03-24-04     104  
   Episode 8   memacmur     03-19-04     96  
     Jerri stands a chance   RyrieRae     03-24-04     106  
         RE: Jerri stands a chance   VerucaSalt     03-24-04     107  
         RE: Jerri stands a chance   memacmur     03-24-04     109  
             Jerri=Neleh?   I_AM_HE     03-24-04     110  
                 RE: Jerri=Neleh?   Brownroach     03-24-04     111  
                     RE: Jerri=Neleh?   memacmur     03-24-04     112  
     RE: Episode 8   popsicle     03-24-04     108  
   RE: After the recrap   Flowerpower     03-24-04     113  
     RE: After the recrap   I_AM_HE     03-25-04     114  
     RE: After the recrap   DRONES     03-25-04     115  
         RE: After the recrap   VerucaSalt     03-25-04     116  
             RE: After the recrap   Brownroach     03-25-04     117  
                 RE: After the recrap   Cuauhtewatemoccajava     03-25-04     118  
                     RE: After the recrap   VerucaSalt     03-26-04     119  
             RE: After the recrap   DRONES     03-29-04     121  
             RE: After the recrap   geg6     03-29-04     122  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   Flowerpower     03-29-04     123  
     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   VerucaSalt     03-30-04     124  
         RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   geg6     03-30-04     125  
   After the tribal swap: The Players,...   Flowerpower     04-02-04     126  
     RE: After the tribal swap: The Play...   cdlafl     04-02-04     128  
   Jenna L. vote   Simom72     04-02-04     127  
     RE: Jenna L. vote   bdemoney     04-02-04     129  
   RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   CRyanShort     04-02-04     130  
     RE: After the Dissolve, The Players...   fredscott     04-02-04     132  
   Amber's reaction   buckeyegirl     04-02-04     131  
     RE: Amber's reaction   yensid     04-02-04     133  

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