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"Basis for Elimination"
SilverStar 6205 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-26-07, 01:08 PM (EST)
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"Basis for Elimination" |
I've noticed that some people seem to think Jessi should have been the one going home last week because she had the worst of all 3 "dance for your life" solos. I disagree. No, not with the fact that she was the worst, she was. I disagree with the notion that all of the past work should not be taken into consideration and she should solely be judged on one 15 second solo. I mean, I think we all agree that Jessi and Pasha shouldn't have even been in the B3 to begin with, so how can you then think that Jessi should have been booted?Jessi had 2 great performances, and 1 crap solo. Faina had 1 great performance, 1 bad performance, and 2 so-so solos. (IMO. I wasn't that impressed with her solos, but maybe it's cause I just don't like her much.) I think they made the right decision. With the girls at least. The guys is another story, and there's already been discussion on that. Which do you think is more important-- the work they've done on performance nights, or the solo they do on results night? I personally think the judges place too much importance on the solos. We all know that each person is great at what they do. They wouldn't be on the show if they weren't. So I would much rather have them pay more attention to what the person has done in coping with other styles and working with their partner than booting (or saving *coughCEDRICcough*) someone based just on their "dance for your life". Thoughts? Star <3 Tribe
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Glow 14353 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-26-07, 01:26 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
I really like Jessi and I didn't think her solo was "crap". I think ballroom dancers are at a disadvantage when they do their solos anyway (except season 1's Snow who was very prematurely booted and Artem who is an exception to everything because he's ridiculously hot). They always seem to look like their partner is invisible. That being said, I liked Faina too but I think I may have wanted some redemption somehow for Stanislav... though his premature departure ended up a good thing for me since I TOTALLY love Ivan. Yes, I do think the judges put too much importance on the "dance for your life!" solos. But really, the dancers should have something prepared that is mind-blowing knowing how important the solos are to the judges. I kind of understand why they made the decision to keep Cedric during the first eliminations. What I don't understand is why they kept him over Ricky. But whatever. So okay. They kept him and then he's underwhelming in choreo again and they keep him over a superior dancer for the second week in a row. I don't think they can do it again. His uniqueness can only justify so many weeks. And they're already over by one.
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SilverStar 6205 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-26-07, 01:42 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
That first week was really rough. I was shocked that they booted Ricky, but if I stick by my opinion that the boots should be mostly based on performance night, he was the right choice. Cedric did great in the hip hop routine (of course), and Dominic (who, btw is becoming a favorite of mine) did well with the disco. Ricky and the Argentine Tango was not good. It sucked that he got stuck with that routine and I would've liked to see him do other stuff, but I wasn't overly upset with his boot.I think Dom is kind of like Ivan this year. A hip hop boy who nobody expected much of, but he'll end up surprising us all. That cont. he did last week was great and I wouldn't have thought he could do it. Plus, he's just so darn funny. "I got into dancing to attract the ladies, and well, yeah, I still don't get the ladies." So cute. Star <3 Tribe
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06-26-07, 01:57 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
No, it's pure conjecture on my part. I'm with Tribe that Ricky's boot was manufactured. Why? Because there was some reason they wanted him gone other than his dancing skills. As for Cedric, there must be something else about him that we haven't seen that makes Nigel love him so much. So by backstage vibes I meant the atmosphere/personalities that the judges see for a week and we only get a few minutes glimpse of (aka editing!). This happens on any reality show, but no one is really questioning Ashlee and Faina leaving and we are questioning the judges decisions with Ricky and Jimmy. No info, sorry, just my gut! I just feel that there is a piece we're missing regarding these boots.
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Sunny_Bunny 5581 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-26-07, 07:39 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
This is such a hard one to answer, because (as I said in my other post) it really was no surprise to me that Faina was the female to go.Jesse and Pasha had turned in good performances both weeks. Mary did explain in her speech that this team was really beginning to gel, which was why all three judges spent a great deal of time beating around the bush saying that they were not sending them home without actually coming right out and saying it. (And, IMHO this is why neither of them busted their buns in the dance off.) Shauna, knowing this, truely did "toss her heart out on the stage" and it payed off. The audience went wild when she was done, and the judges while not shown, most likely mirrored Kat's assertion that she had really given it her all. This left Faina with a real problem. Even if she had given it her all, (which she clearly didn't) creating a "tie" with Shauna, she was still the weaker dancer of the three based on the two times she had partnered. In the first hip hop routine she did, she was the weaker of the partners, and in last weeks routine she did "carry" Cedric, but it was still not enough to drag them up from the bottom. So, in answer to your question, I don't really think the "Dance for your LIfe" segment carries as much weight as the partnering. However, if you do fairly well with a partner, and then dance your butt off in DFYL as Shauna did, clearly it does pay off. One reason I think Shauna and Cedric will have problems as this show progresses, is that this competition (at least until the very last show) IS based on partner work. America votes partners until the last night of competition. Therefore, if you consistently wind up in the bottom three eventually the judges will give up and toss you out, no matter how good you do in the DFYL segments. What I would really love to know, is if Faina and Cedric were the bottom of the barrel vote wise. Viewers are only told that three couples did not get enough votes, but they fail to tell us who got the least amount of votes.
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 09:41 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
right, each dancer has his/her own phone no. and it's just based on votes not judges any longer, no dancing for you life, and each week, they change partners
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Magnolia_Rocker 2139 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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06-27-07, 08:11 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
This is how "I" interpret the dance for you life and the weeks performances.Performances: 80% deciding factor. Dance For Your Life: 20% deciding factor. Average the two together and that's how I personally would decide the boot from the bottom three. The performance carries alot more weight because: 1 - It shows partnering skills whereas DFYL is solo 2 - It shows ability to change up your style whereas DFYL is done in the performers personal style which we know should be awesome. 3 - It is 2 minutes worth of emotion, skill, technique whereas DFYL is 30 seconds. For all these reasons I think the performances should determine who gets the boot with the DFYL playing a roll during a tie. Otherwise its just one last opportunity to see the booted dancer do his/her thing. Cedric should be sooooooo gone. Rockin’ the dance moves thanks to Tribey
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agman 11158 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 01:46 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
I actually enjoy the DFYL session of the show better than the couples in many cases. I think it should be longer too! I don't feel these dancers can do themselves justice in a mere 30 seconds.
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agman 11158 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 06:17 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
>Failing in 3-2-1..... So I should just stop posting?
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Sagebrush Dan 9824 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 01:48 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
LAST EDITED ON 06-27-07 AT 01:52 PM (EST)No, the DFYL will always be 30 seconds. When we get to the top 10, the elimination is by voting only and the judges have no deciding power, so there is no DFYL. However, there are individual solos when we get to the top 10 and those are longer, although the partnered routines will be shorter simply because the dancers have to fit more dancing into the time allowed. If my memory serves correctly, the dancers have to do two partnered dances along with the solo. This is sad, because the dancers were worn out and injured by all this last year, and the dancing suffered. Some of the best routines were in the time of the top 20, IMHO. The thing that Nigel made plain last year was that everyone should have a DFYL solo prepared. It was obvious that Shauna did so this year (am not too sure about Faina — she certainly could have done better). Several faked it last year; unfortunately the one that admitted that he faked it got eliminated, even though Nigel knew all the others had faked it as well. More wagging, less barking.
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agman 11158 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 05:25 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
I would imagine it would be like the beating many professional athletes take. Both my sisters were dancers and both suffered knee injuries. I never realized how physical dancing was until I saw what happened to them. Their bodies (especially knees) too a tremendous beating. They never had to do as much as the Dancers on SYTYCD.
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agman 11158 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 05:21 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
Because I missed last season, I have a question. You mentioned that last year the dancers got to this stage and had to do two partnered dances plus a solo. Did they have only one week to learn these? I realize as professional dancers, they are expected to pick things up quite quickly, however if it is the case they have only one week, isn't that a bit too much. Once again I am asking this based on what was said happened last year. Dancing through life...
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Sagebrush Dan 9824 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 08:22 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
Yes, they had only one week to learn them, plus do publicity appearances and such. The contestants complained, and Nigel was unsympathetic saying that this was what it was like in the professional world. I don't think it is that brutal in the long run in the pro world (in regards to learning new routines every week) — I think he was just being defensive.Donyelle, who was one of the most favorite dancers, broke her foot about halfway through the competition and kept going full speed. During the top ten: Benji was hospitalized with strep and also had an injured hip, Travis had a bad back, another dancer was wearing a knee brace, and other assorted niceties among the injured. There is another board that has a lot of pro dancers that I visited last year (I don't have the address, and is prolly where we lost MTopaz). They felt the pace was too rugged and that the contestants should get a week off while we get treated to a "best of...." or something like that. Hopefully that will happen this year. BTW, the pros? Evenly split between Benji and Travis.....and each side accused the other of being the incarnation for Satan and the reason for the Bush administration. We were downright tame compared to those folks! Transcribed by Sharnina
More wagging, less barking.
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bullzeye 4956 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold"
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06-27-07, 07:48 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
I think that is a great attitude!I would like to say I will do the same, but methinks I will get wrapped up in all the drama. Welcome by the way!
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SilverStar 6205 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-29-07, 02:15 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
Let's look at the judges decisions last night, and see if we can figure out what they were thinking, and why they chose to eliminate Jesus and Jessi. (Ha! Yeah right. Who can understand insanity? But let's give it a shot.)The generalizations presented here are solely my opinion. YMMV. The girls: Lauren Week 1: Salsa. It was ok. Week 2: Hip Hop. It was ok. Week 3: Tango. It was ok. DFYL: Suckfest. Sara Week 1: Pop Jazz. Awesome. Week 2: Paso Doble. Good/ok. Week 3: Krump. Good/ok. DFYL: Good/ok. Anya Week 1: Jive. Awesome Week 2: Waltz. Very good. Week 3: Hip Hop. It was ok. DFYL: Suckfest. Jessi Week 1: Waltz. Awesome. Week 2: Jazz. Awesome. Week 3: Cha Cha. N/A (though when we finally did see it, it was very good.) DFYL: Good/ok. If the judges were basing most of their decision on performances, it looks like Lauren should have gone. If the judges were basing most of their decision on DFYL, it looks like Lauren (or Anya) should have gone. Instead, they boot Jessi. We can only hope it was for the sake of her health. *shrug* The guys: Neil Week 1: Salsa. It was ok. Week 2: Hip Hop. Good. Week 3: Tango. It was ok. DFYL: It was ok. Jesus Week 1: Pop Jazz. Awesome. Week 2: Paso Doble. Awesome. Week 3: Krump. Good/ok. DFYL: Good. Danny Week 1: Jive. Awesome Week 2: Waltz. Very good. Week 3: Hip Hop. It was ok. DFYL: Very good. If the judges were basing most of their decision on performances, it looks like Neil should have gone. If the judges were basing most of their decision on DFYL, it looks like Neil (or Jesus, because I know a lot of people really liked Neil's dance) should have gone. So, what does all of this tell us? Basically the judges do whatever they want with no rhyme or reason or logic. Whew! I'm certainly glad I did all of that analysis in order to prove something we already knew! Star <3 Tribe
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syren 5418 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-29-07, 03:13 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
I'm with you...lots of spins, lots of twists, no real anything else.I have totally been in disagreement for the last two eliminations. And last nights brought me to tears. What?
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ulalame 778 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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06-29-07, 02:35 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Basis for Elimination" |
Yes, although I liked Jesus, I think that Neil's solo was the best one of the three last night, with Danny's being a close second. Jesus' solo was clearly the worst. They were faced with the difficult decision of cutting one of the better dancers in the competition (Jesus) vs. two of the best dancers (technically, anyhow) with Neil and Danny. I think all of the judges would have preferred to boot Cedric over Jesus, but they didn't have that option. As for the girls, given the cursory way they cut Jessi (i.e., they didn't even do a "bottom two" for suspense purposes), I think there had to be a health reason for the decision. Dehydration plus EKG "irregularities" screams eating disorder, for instance. Plus, I thought Jessi's solo was the worst of the four -- she's not a hip-hop dancer, and what was with that outfit? If you recall her solo dances during the Hollywood tryouts, she would have done WAY better if she'd stuck to a contemporary routine. Although I know that if she had actually danced on Wednesday night, she and Pasha would not have been in the bottom three, I think with the way things went down, she was the right one to boot. I'm just bummed that it means Pasha's going to be paired with Sara next week.
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