"Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?" - Reality TV World Message Board Forums - "Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"

Reality TV World Message Board Forums PLEASE NOTE: The Reality TV World Message Boards are filled with desperate attention-seekers pretending to be one big happy PG/PG13-rated family. Don't be fooled. Trying to get everyone to agree with you is like herding cats, but intolerance for other viewpoints is NOT welcome and respect for other posters IS required at all times. Jump in and play, and you'll soon find out how easy it is to fit in, but save your drama for your mama. All members are encouraged to read the complete guidelines. As entertainment critic Roger Ebert once said, "If you disagree with something I write, tell me so, argue with me, correct me--but don't tell me to shut up. That's not the American way."

"Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"

Conferences The Apprentice: Martha Stewart General Discussion Forum (Protected)
Email this topic to a friend Printer-friendly version of this topic Bookmark this topic (Registered users only)		Previous Topic \| Next Topic
Original message

RealityMom 560 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"	09-22-05, 03:50 AM (EST)
"Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"
I know Martha said that the teams should find a "common theme" a la men vs. women or booksmarts vs. streetsmarts but I would think that the teams themselves would want to be more balanced. A company isn't all creative talent or all business sense- it incorporates both. So I was very surprised that the teams didn't choose to have half creative/half corporate on each. It seems that way, no matter what the task, there would be people who could excel on both teams and the different personalities could play off each other. I was also surprised at the people on the two teams. If I didn't know which team was which, I would have thought that the people on Primarius were the creative ones. They seemed so much nicer as a group. They countered the stereotype of a corporate personality. They also seem to have watched earlier editions of Apprentice. They actually listened to what Martha wanted- a book that would appeal to the children and tested their book with a focus group. So many of the people on Matchstick seemed really cutthroat. I didn't like most of the ones that the show focused on. Jeff was probably the most dictatorial project manager that I can remember. The exchange between him and Dawn was horrible to watch. I can't believe some of the things he said, "shut up", "I need you to not be likable, be powerful...", "you're failing..." He was just awful. The cat fight in the conference room between Dawn and Bethenny was like a pair of preteens fighting. This was a really unpleasant group of people. I hated Jim, too. I thought Shawn looked a lot like Alexis. Chuck and Marcela have possibilities. We haven't seen anything yet from the Danny clone. I was impressed with several of the women on Primarius (I haven't distinguished the blondes yet- ) and Howie will be fun to watch. Overall, I enjoyed the show. I liked Martha. Whether Charles and Alexis can fill Carolyn and George's shoes remains to be seen.
Alert	Edit \| Reply \| Reply With Quote \| Top

Table of Contents

  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID

RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corpora... Reeflex7 09-22-05 1

RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corpora... photokitty 09-23-05 2

   RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corpora... RealityMom 09-23-05 3

       RE: Brainstorming photokitty 09-23-05 4

           RE: Brainstorming RealityMom 09-23-05 5

RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corpora... ladro 09-26-05 6

   RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corpora... RealityMom 09-30-05 7

Lobby | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

Messages in this topic

Reeflex7 187 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
09-22-05, 10:38 AM (EST)

1. "RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"

I had the same thought when they were splitting up the teams, but in the end they were just following instructions and finding a common theme amongst themselves.
It always takes me 10 episodes to figure out who's who, but I saw enough of Jeff to know he was a miserable human being. His parting shot at Jim after he got fired wasn't necessary. His comments to Dawn about joining him in the shower were equally inappropriate (it wasn't sexual harassment or anything but it was juvenile). He showed his true colors on that task and he deserved his fate in pretty much every way.
Jim is equally vain & despicable but he'll get his soon enough.
No one else stood out to me except for maybe Howie, who has a self-deprecating sense of humor that I liked.

Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

photokitty 298 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
09-23-05, 02:53 PM (EST)

2. "RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"

LAST EDITED ON 09-23-05 AT 02:56 PM (EST)
I also was surprised they divided this way. I think it was a mistake & I hope Martha reorganizes the teams soon. Plus, unexpected self-definition was in play--I noticed that a member of the corporate Primarius team was a Creative Director out in the world. I would have thought she would be on the other team.
In the corporate world, you have to express yourself in a clear & rational fashion. There is a clear (and somewhat repressive) ettiquette to follow. In more creative fields, things are looser, and a certain amount of propriety gets lost in the interest of free expression. I have a feeling we're only just beginning to see a clear separation between the two teams: Primarius (grown ups) and Matchstick (spoiled brats.)
BTW, I think business people are creative, too!

Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

RealityMom 560 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
09-23-05, 03:22 PM (EST)

3. "RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"

HI, Photokitty,
I agree with you that "business people are creative, too!" In fact, a little too much business/financial creativity by advisors, etc. is what has gotten some people in trouble.
But I also think your point about being less loose and possibly limiting free expression was the one corporate thing I did notice about Shawna (at least I think that's her name) the PM for Prima. When her teammates were calling out ideas, she was a little overwhelmed and used the word "frantic". She may not have been used to that kind of free flow but I think that's when some of the best ideas come out. I think they were all too much in the "versus" mindset and didn't see the big picture.

Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

photokitty 298 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
09-23-05, 03:45 PM (EST)

4. "RE: Brainstorming"

That reminds me--on all these shows, nobody knows how to brainstorm! It drives me nuts!
Here's a lesson, people!
Set a time limit. Whether it's 10 minutes or 2 hours doesn't matter.
For that amount of time, say and write down every single idea. NO JUDGING! Every idea is a good idea at this stage. Ideas inspire other ideas! Flow! Write down everything.
When the time is up, stop.
NOW, edit the ideas.
You cannot effectively create and edit at the same time. It must be a right brain / left brain issue.

Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

RealityMom 560 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
09-23-05, 04:20 PM (EST)

5. "RE: Brainstorming"

I want you on my team! You're right about setting a time limit and letting every idea out, without any judgment during that time period. I remember several episodes of Apprentice when the idea phase seemed to last for hours (especially when Danny was on the team ) and then they settled for a less than great idea. Of course, with Jeff as a PM who only wanted things his way, and was very cruel about it, the chances of creative juices flowing were severely limited.

Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

ladro 1168 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
09-26-05, 11:56 PM (EST)

6. "RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"

I just caught the rerun on CNBC. Ok, I missed the first 20 minutes, where they picked the teams. But, I saw enough to have an opinon.
I too was impressed with several of the women on Primarius, but probably for different reasons. The glass blower is centerfold material.
Regarding your comment: ""I would have thought that the people on Primarius were the creative ones. They seemed so much nicer as a group. They countered the stereotype of a corporate personality.""
I think said stereotype exists primarily among those that consider themselves 'the creative ones'.

Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

RealityMom 560 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
09-30-05, 12:00 PM (EST)

7. "RE: Creative/Matchstick vs. Corporate/Primarius-Would you have divided the teams this way and do you already like Primarius better?"

Ladro,
After two episodes of failure on Matchstick's part, I agree with you that labeling themselves "the creative ones" not only hurt them but may have caused them to underestimate the abilities of those on Primarius. At this point, I don't think Martha has too much faith in anyone on Matchstick.

Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Lock | Archive | Remove

Lobby | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e -

about this site • advertise on this site • contact us • privacy policy •