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"Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"

Once again, Burnett & Co. rear their ugly heads in trying to make a "good" guy and "bad" guy out of the two finalists. One was quiet, the other loud. One was efficient, the other was not. And so forth. The problem is that their characteristics were not that easily divvied up. I mean how could Bethenny be a complete mess and pull off the event she pulled off? Truthfully, it looked much better and was much more exciting than Dawna's very tired, badly produced fashion show. Those fashions were really atrocious and I LOVE Liz Claiborne so it's not that they can't design. Amanda was the wrong person to put in charge of selecting the fashions. Dawna knew it when she visited her and yet did nothing to put the brakes on a very bad decision. Dawna saw first-hand that Amanda picked clothing from the ivy league attorney collection available in the do-not-offend-the-jury department of your higher priced department stores. By the time the fashion show took place, it looked like a group of tweed clad monsters from deep within the earth attacked the models obscuring them in bland swaths of wool and cotton. So how does this show good managerial skills? You compound mistakes? I mean, there's Amanda saying she wouldn't wear certain items of the collection. Does anyone think this is a good thing to say in front of the person responsible for the collection?

Next Burnett & Co. pull the Tana trick of showing that Bethenney did not care about her team. Were they close before that? Just stupid. Really stupid. As if it means anything. Bethenney chose someone that HATED her. And yet she got the chick to work for her. That's all that's important. Then we come to the biggest mistake made by Dawna ... the infamous PROGRAM!!!!

Could somebody 'splain to me why this program was such a disaster? Seems especially strange since Dawna works in publishing and is or should be used to last minute edits. They tried to explain that they wanted to have a glossy black front with the logo on it. So why didn't they have this submitted to a graphic artist? They artist lays out the front cover and back which will not change and puts in the text (that will probably change) as a placeholder for the final text. In other words he lays out the placement of the items of clothing. Then the edited text is sent to him/her when it's approved, the artist replaces the unedited text with the approved text and voile you have a program! And yet this is over Dawna's head to figure out? This is standard operating procedure. It's done all the time.

Very, very bad managerial skils. Especially for someone that purports to be a publishing wiz. I'm starting to question whether Dawna is indeed what she claims to be.

I was for Dawna winning, but think that maybe Bethenney really should have been hired. She at least was original and exciting and made things happen. Loved what she did with the nightclub.


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 RE: Formulaic editing yet again - a... Estee 12-22-05 1
   RE: Formulaic editing yet again - a... DrKegel 12-22-05 2
       Apprentice Mistakes! wirelessbound 12-22-05 3
 RE: Formulaic editing yet again - a... EnfanTerrible 12-23-05 4
 RE: Formulaic editing yet again - a... mysticwolf 12-23-05 5
   RE: Formulaic editing yet again - a... DrKegel 12-23-05 6
       RE: Formulaic editing yet again - a... mysticwolf 12-23-05 7
           RE: Formulaic editing yet again - a... DrKegel 12-23-05 8
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1. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"
Martha doesn't want ideas that are original. Martha wants ideas that are Martha's.

That's really cutting it down, but it's somewhere near the heart of her hiring criteria: the whole 'fit in' aspect. There are three ways to do things: the right way, the wrong way, and the Martha way. Prospective employees cannot be aware that the first two ways exist.

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2. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"
>Martha doesn't want ideas that are
>original. Martha wants ideas
>that are Martha's.

Well, I agree with you there ... partly. Yes, as explained earlier when they cut Leslie from the pack, Martha stated that her company WAS the authority. Martha also "typed" someone as an "artistic type" as opposed to "leader." Big difference.

So for leaders I guess she wants people like Dawna (and I have nothing against her - I picked her to win) who suck creative people dry while earning beaucoup bucks. Don't know how the artistic types that work for her are doing. Maybe they're being paid well and quite happy. Martha then assimilates these artistic types "visions" and presents them as her own. In defense of her, we can see from the division of the original candidates that artistic types don't carry their vision well into the real world. Therefore, corporate types are often needed to make viable businesses out of them. That's the problem with artistic types ... they have ideas galore, but don't know how to implement them on their own. Corporate types, want to make money, but have no ideas. But they know a good idea when they hear it it seems.

I think Bethenny, because of her temperment, was a bit of both. Therefore, she could not only have a "vision" but carry it through. That was the biggest problem with her "fitting in" in that she didn't fit the mould. She was a bit of both.

The thing that really threw me with this challenge was that program. Can't get that out of my mind. Could be because of the pressure, Dawna just wasn't thinking correctly. It happens. But the event planner? She also went blank? What was her name? Linda?

I tell you these templates for how things will look are well-known in the industry. I don't see why Dawna didn't do this. I'm certain she must do this in her magazine (or someone that REALLY runs the magazine must do this).

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3. "Apprentice Mistakes!"
This bugged me 'cuase both Apprentices this season didn't hire the best candidate. Bethenny clearly won and wasn't suspose to be judged on the last task. Dawna did crap Amanda did the majority of everything yet Dawna is hired not too cool. The programs sucked she didnt manage her time or her team to make sure to acomidate last minute changes or have a cover with inserts that could be changed and latter inserted so the had flash and flare. Bethenny had Jim and he hated her and they argued and fought the whole season and ywet she had no trouble and her event was beautiful, yet no win. They made her out to be so cold hearted at the end, but then I think she held up professional decroum, no real life boss with get all gushy over there employees hand shake and walk away that is the real world. Yet Donald's season was worse neither Randol nor Rebecca had what it took and both failed thier projects and bioth needed to go. Through out the season niether were very strong oh but wait it was the man whose Gramma died and broke ankle girl sympathy ploy major. Trump need to fire both of them neither were Apprentice material.
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4. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"
It has to be the editing, I mean a 7th-grader would know that you get the design to the printer and have it ready for when the details come in. They could even have printed the folder and used the last minute sheet as an insert.

But then I always think it's the editing. I remember getting flamed off another board for suggesting that in the Trump Season 1 finale someone deliberately hid Bill's signeage to create drama.


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5. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"
Ummm... yeah. I really had a hard time understanding how someone in publishing could have fallen on that particular sword. And, frankly, I watched it twice (the original time & again after dh got home from work). I still don't really see what, if anything Dawna actually DID on this task.

It seems like she, as a manager, is a REALLY good delegator. But, when the one item she delegated to someone else gets bounced back into her court - THE one item that she is supposedly most qualified to deal with - the ball gets dropped.

But, se gets hired.

My personal opinion is that Dawna, at least, had a backround in something - publishing, in her case. Bethany is a creative force. As Martha already said she didn't really want any of them on her staff, I'm betting it came down to "What are we goin to do with whoever it is?" Easier to fit in someone with ANY kind of backround in a skill, than try to fit in someone that's "creative" where you'll actually have to spend time to think about it. Even easier if you have an underling on a new magazine venture that wants to succeed and curry favor. Saying they'll take so-and-so under their wing is a win-win for everyone except, maybe, the apprentice.

*shrug*


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6. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"

> This bugged me 'cuase both Apprentices this season didn't hire the best candidate. ...

>... Randol nor Rebecca had what it took and both failed thier projects and bioth needed to go.

Really? You didn't like either of them? Well, then who did you want to win or who did you think should have won?

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>It has to be the editing, I mean a 7th-grader would know that you get the design to the printer and have it ready for when the details come in. They could even have printed the folder and used the last minute sheet as an insert.

Thought the same thing. Have the cover printed up since that's never going to change and then print out the insert on some nice paper.

And Linda is an event planner? What? I don't know which is worse ... Dawna in publishing not knowing this or Linda not knowing this. I guess it would have to be Dawna. They use "placeholder" text in magazine layout all the time. If they waited until the last minute text changes before they layed everything out, we'd never read anything and have to get all our news from posts like these.

It's really hard to imagine what Dawna or Linda did. But Dawna certainly had Martha's front row seat ready for her. As I recall that's the only place Linda made an appearance. Remember her wanting to meet Martha at the front door also? So both Linda and Dawna were there fighting over who was going to seat Martha when other details ... like the actual fashion show ... fell by the wayside?

And Howie also ... what the heck did he do? There was one shot of him getting drunk and then lasciviously watching a model walk away as spittle dribbled out his open, gaping mouth. The only one they actually showed working (and badly) was Amanda who seemed to be taking everything upon her slender shoulders that seemed devoid of good taste in fashion. Wonder who puts her together?

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>But then I always think it's
>the editing. I remember getting
>flamed off another board for
>suggesting that in the Trump
>Season 1 finale someone deliberately
>hid Bill's signeage to create
>drama.

I'm chuckling over this one. Don't know if what you said is true, but it would be pretty funny if it was. Can just imagine one of Burnett's little "elves" sneaking around with it and burying it in the old backroom.

Bill should have had it dusted for fingerprints.

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>Ummm... yeah. I really had a
>hard time understanding how someone
>in publishing could have fallen
>on that particular sword. And,
>frankly, I watched it twice
>(the original time & again
>after dh got home from
>work). I still don't really
>see what, if anything Dawna
>actually DID on this task.

Me, too. That's why I posted it here. Just don't get it.

>It seems like she, as a
>manager, is a REALLY good
>delegator. But, when the one
>item she delegated to someone
>else gets bounced back into
>her court - THE one
>item that she is supposedly
>most qualified to deal with
>- the ball gets dropped.

Good point about being a delegator. You have to be a delegator if you're a manager. Otherwise you end up like Amanda and others trying to take too much on yourself. (I'm thinking of Angie on Trump's Apprentice. She had great ideas but tried to do everything herself. Bad Angie! Very bad!)

>But, se gets hired.

Yeah, and for a magazine. Guess Martha doesn't care about her being unable to handle last minute text changes. Probably publish the magazine on a different day of the month each time to allow for Dawna's Achille's heel.


>My personal opinion is that Dawna,
>at least, had a backround
>in something - publishing, in
>her case. Bethany is a
>creative force. As Martha already
>said she didn't really want
>any of them on her
>staff, I'm betting it came
>down to "What are we
>goin to do with whoever
>it is?" Easier to fit
>in someone with ANY kind
>of backround in a skill,
>than try to fit in
>someone that's "creative" where you'll
>actually have to spend time
>to think about it. Even
>easier if you have an
>underling on a new magazine
>venture that wants to succeed
>and curry favor. Saying they'll
>take so-and-so under their wing
>is a win-win for everyone
>except, maybe, the apprentice.
>

Another good point. "Fitting in" is paramount. God forbid you get someone in there that acts spontaneously. They'd all fall over like dominoes.

And what the heck was that that Martha said about Bethenny caring about her appearance and that appearance or how one looked is not necessarily important? Huh? Then why is she pointing it out if it's irrelevant? Going against the point she's making by mentioning it.

Bethenny is "emotional." That's the problem. Corporations do not handle emotions well. she's sexually provocative in her dress. That's also a no-no in the corporate world.

Now I'm just wondering what Bethenny would have done with that magazine? She really might have led it into some interesting areas.

Dawna? Oh, she'll come up with dazzling features like: "Drink Water: It's actually good for you!"


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7. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"
LAST EDITED ON 12-23-05 AT 09:26 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 12-23-05 AT 09:12PM (EST)

Oops, my mistake. Nothing to see here. (Misread something, which, when read correctly makes my post absolutely meaningless. Will edit again if I have a reply that makes sense. Sorry.)

Edit#2 My confusion, after rereading, stemmed from the fact that you seem to be replying to many posters at the same time. I know that in some ways that's more efficient, but it can be confusing as, even though you are including quotes, it disrupts the conversational flow, and some to whom you are responding may not read it as they don't believe it is directed at their comments.

Please take this as a suggestion, not a criticism. But my initial post here was based on the fact that what you were quoting in much of your response wasn't anything that I had said, yet as an indent to my post it was evidently a reply to me. Take it for what it is worth. YMMV.

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12-23-05, 10:30 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"
>LAST EDITED ON 12-23-05
>AT 09:26PM (EST)

>
>LAST EDITED ON 12-23-05
>AT 09:12PM (EST)

>
>Oops, my mistake. Nothing to see
>here. (Misread something, which, when
>read correctly makes my post
>absolutely meaningless. Will edit again
>if I have a reply
>that makes sense. Sorry.)
>
>Edit#2 My confusion, after rereading, stemmed
>from the fact that you
>seem to be replying to
>many posters at the same
>time. I know that in
>some ways that's more efficient,
>but it can be confusing
>as, even though you are
>including quotes, it disrupts the
>conversational flow, and some to
>whom you are responding may
>not read it as they
>don't believe it is directed
>at their comments.
>
>Please take this as a suggestion,
>not a criticism. But my
>initial post here was based
>on the fact that what
>you were quoting in much
>of your response wasn't anything
>that I had said, yet
>as an indent to my
>post it was evidently a
>reply to me. Take it
>for what it is worth.
>YMMV.

See! A reply of your very own! It can be done.

No offense and I suppose it is clearer. Or I'll include the name or use italics or something.

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9. "RE: Formulaic editing yet again - and Dawna's HUGE Program Mistake!"

Now if only you had been there to suggest that they

STOP THAT HORRIBLE FASHION SHOW!!!!!!!!!

God! I'm still having nightmares of being encased in tweed.


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