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"Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread."
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"Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Please keep the details of Virginia's inevitable jacket piercing on this thread until the West Coast gets to see the moment when she realizes that Gordon will never, ever truly love her as much as he loves her chicken. And he's not going to marry the chicken. He's already married, thank you. (They're not going to show us the moment when he tells her that, because he's not going to tell her that. There's knives everywhere...)
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8. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Do we know which book it was, many of his books on amazon have a look inside feature, haven't found that recipe so far.
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08-07-06, 09:39 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
However, this isn't a farm system. This is a competition of current skills to find a chef for a multi-million dollar restaurant for our amusement. Basically, they're looking for the best chef in a specific situation, and Virginia just isn't the caliber of the other two chefs, specifically Heather (who I don't like that much).
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14. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
So, at this point, is there anyway the Lord of Cooking and Hypocrisy doesn't send Keith home? Seriously? This episode seem pretty clearly rigged (not in that sense, but certainly skewed) to promote Virginia as a worthy competitor to Heather (which she isn't) and as a victim to H&K's evil wiles. Really, you give Keith overcooked Spaghetti and Virginia a wrong order? Is that even a similar mistake? Undercooked beef wellington I could see, but a whole different fish?
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27. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
>Really, you give Keith overcooked
>Spaghetti and Virginia a wrong
>order? Is that even a
>similar mistake? Undercooked beef wellington
>I could see, but a
>whole different fish? Right... Keith has to TASTE the product... and Virginia clearly heard that Ramsay set Heather up with a sabotage and then she is next in line as head chef --- and she has to tell the difference between a WHITE FISH and a PINK FISH? Virginia was being led all the way to beat one of the two favorites - and it was a clear set up by Ramsay and co. Why do you think the "prize" was what it was...? To give Virginia the skills to stop acting like a dumba** while on the line. Why has Virginia worked VEGETABLES for the last two weeks? Because any attempt at cooking meat would fail - which it did today when she couldn't even cook a damn piece of fish (which BTW I have and it takes less then 10 minutes and you don't put it on the high heat like you do a steak - wake up Virginia honey). My predictions for next week - she'll design a nicer menu and restaurant decor then Heather but she will fail in leading her team as she cannot step in and cook anything. When did she cook risotto? When did she cook a Beef Wellington? When has she cooked anything but sorched peas and a burnt salmon? 
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17. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
I have one thing to say, WAH ZOO!!!
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16. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
I guess it depends what Ramsay wants. Does he want some clay or does he want a statue? If he wants the two best chefs for a high-pressure line kitchen, H&K are the clear choices. If he wants a weaker, miniature, version of him, take Virginia.
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19. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Keith got the boot, and he finally spoke up for Ramsay. 100% spot on as far as I am concerned.
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21. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
The gigantic bridge troll got the axe, he has all the personality of a couple of rotten eggs. Buh, bye....
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35. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Can you imagine his children? I think I am going to be ill....
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20. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Frankly, none of them are capable of taking on the Red Rock. But, any of them are capable of taking a role like last year's winner. He chose the apprenticeship under Ramsay, and I think that, given the choice, that's what any of these folks should do.That said, I think that Keith would have taken the restaurant, instead. And, that would have been a major mistake on both his, and Ramsay's part. JMHO  
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23. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
So, basically because Ramsay thinks that Keith would take the prize in the event, he should be eliminated. That's weak.
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24. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Weak in one way, yes. But, strong in three other ways.1) It got peeps talking and provided drama for the show 2) It probably saved the restaurant and Ramsay's reputation in Vegas. 3) It probably saved the media storm that would have ensued when Keith got replaced at the restaurant shortly after taking over. Remember, Ramsay promises them the job, I've never seen a timeline on it like there is on Apprentice or Branson's show. They both promise(d) a year in the job. Ramsay's made no such promise. You get it and can't handle it, you get replaced.
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25. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Maybe he wants someone who unlike Michael wont let their significant other talk them out of being an apprentice. Virginia looks like she'd walk over her own grandmother if it were to get a win. Plus heather tries to do too much. Lets face it Ramsay wants a clone and Virginia is that clone. If heather spent as much time whining she'd have won the challenge. Did that look like mashed potatoes in it...no.
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28. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
I agree with you there. I doubt that Virgina for sure would not be able to handle it. As for Heather, I feel she would might be able to handle the rest. Although the only reason I go Red Rock is for the Buffet, it will be interesting... Come to think of it I don't think I have even seen were the rest. is locatated.
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30. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Hey VEGASGAL!Sorry to stray further off course....but.... Can you tell me exactly WHERE the Red Rock Casino is located??? I go to Vegas quite often and had never even heard about it before Hell's Kitchen aired this season.
We can't even imagine where it might be located! Thanks! 
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31. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
Ramsey made the correct decision. Keith should have left based on his poor performance running the kitchen, his poor performance on the challenge (he never got the fish, the puree or the sauce correct....0 for 3) and his general attitude through the entire thing. If it wasn't for his cooking during service he could have been gone much earlier just for his attitude.I think people are misunderstanding what an executive chef typically does on a day to day basis. An executive chefs does not tend to run the day to day service from the hotplate but may do so every now and then. The executive chef has a head sous chef to control the kitchen so they don't have to. An executive chef's job usually includes the following:
-foster creativity on the menu
-plan the menus and new menu ideas (can be done in collaboration with a good head sous chef or head chef)
-come up with new recipes (again in collaboration with the head sous chef much of the time)
-manage the kitchen in terms of food purchases, profits, quality, equipment maintenance
-usually cook for special functions though some do cook on a regular basis So depending on how the restaurant is set up is what is going to influence the decision. This position is for a restaurant that will be open for about 5 months at the time the winner is announced. They have all the kitchen staff etc and presumably the kitchen runs just fine. They aren't really looking for a full-time Kitchen leader but a chef with creativity and a good palate. Palate and creativity are the things that Virginia excels in. After nailing Ramsey's recipe there was no way she was going home. As well for someone who hasn't read his cookbook Heather was pretty damn sure that recipe was in there. There are two possibilities: 1) Heather knew that the recipe was in there because she to looked at it while thumbing through or 2) she was a sore loser because she got shown up by a "lesser" chef. I'm guessing it was #2.
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32. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
And this is what a business owner does ---1.) Reviews work performance of employees. Hires and fires. 2.) Decides on advertisement placement and budget. 3.) Hires outsource of firms i.e. contractors, accountants, marketing etc... 4.) Deals with unhappy customers. Deals with possible legal difficulties (first person contact) for anyone that is unhappy such as a chipped tooth because of a bone left in food etc... 5.) Purchasing of food - this would also require knowledge of how much the restaurant would need with the minimum of waste. Reality is most restaurants fail due to not being able to plan for perishable goods and end up with too much waste. 6.) Knowledge of local liquor laws and licensures, as well as health inspections. 7.) Being the boss - she/he would have to step in AT ANY POSITION and fill the hole left by an employee who did not show up for work. Let's see now Virginia has cooked sorched peas... doesn't know how to cook fish... and she doesn't know how to cook a Beef Wellington even though the "chefs" have been cooking this same crap for over 2 months. She hasn't done any of the chores of running a restaurant and spent her $1,000 at the cook shop buying a bunch of crap. I guess she can open up a Salad Restaurant in Vegas. For some reason Keith did not shine last night. I think he blew yes. He definitely has more going for him then Virginia as he work UNDER PRESSURE and HE CAN COOK. Heather is uneven but she has shown throughout the program that she can lead and she can cook. She can hustle and she knows the entire line.
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38. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
>I think you miss the point
>of what the show is
>looking for. They are
>not looking for a top
>chef to OPEN a restaurant
>and truly run the kitchen.
> The restaurant is already
>open and the kitchen is
>already being run by a
>head chef and sous chef.
> That is unlikely to
>change. Didn't the trip to Vegas show that the restaurant is not already open? Wasn't it still under construction? I agree that the takes Ramsey has them doing now, don't necessarily reflect what they'll be called upon to do later. It's more about seeing who can rise to the challenge. The "challenge" is basically anything Ramsey asks of them. I really had pegged Keith (can I get a loud "K-Grease!") to win and thought he was, overall, the strongest of the bunch. In the end, I think he sabotaged himself with his over confidence and bad attitude. He certainly deserved to stay more than Heather did.
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41. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
From what I understand the restaurant is T-Bones Chophouse and Lounge. It's been open since April.
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36. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
>It always seemed to me he
>was looking for someone who
>was fairly well-rounded and able
>to deal with the many
>aspects of being the one
>"in-charge". All the challenges touched
>on the different aspects like
>menu planning, food prep, etc. Indeed. And like it or not Virginia has done well on the challenges. And when the challenge involves cooking she has also done well. And I dare to say he's also looking for someone who is willing to learn. This whole executive chef thing is just a title. Not a single one of them are qualified to hold such a title. But two of them are capable of learning what it takes to hold that title....Heather and Virginia. Both can cook. Both have creativity and both have a good palate. But both are more than willing to leave the attitude outside the kitchen and learn. Keith from day one wasn't willing to do that. So he's gone. Virginia can cook as she has shown in the challenges and a decent amount of time in the kitchen (remember they focus the editing on to abotu 10 minutes of a 180 minute service). If she wasn't doing atleast a decent job in the kitchen she would be gone. Yes she gets confused and lost but by and large her cooking is just fine. And here attitude and willingness to learn is excellent. Which is why she is still around.
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40. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
What episode did Virginia successfully cook an entree? Not veggies... not appetizers... not dessert.. a MEAL.Looking back on this, Virginia was obviously set up by HK production to become one of the last two. She was given the easy veggie center two weeks in a row, and appetizers before that (please can't they all cook risotto by now??). And when she tried fish, she screwed that up and was quickly removed. It wasn't her original dish that Chef picked - she was SECOND. It was Keith's dish and it was put on the menu for the night - NOT Virginia's dish (which if it was so good why not both?). So Keith didn't get the fish right - Virginia snooping through the back kitchen figured out it was beans. Heather only got the fish right not the sauce. And you know what? I think that the recipe is in the book -or one similar. It is not uncommon in a cookbook to use the same ingredients esp. to compliment a certain type of food. With fish you often use lemon - so it's not a big jump to figure it would be grapefruit. But I guess the position of "your own restaurant" means you don't have to cook but design dishes. Okayyyyyyyy. I think the folks who advertise this show needs to stop saying on each commercial break about "who will win their own restaurant." If they are just a line cook or some lackey under management then let's drop the "own a restaurant" baloney.
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43. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
When I heard Heather keep whining about the recipe being in the book, I said "Why haven't YOU read the book?" She knew she was going on Gordon Ramsey's show to cook in his restaurant, didn't she think those recipe's might come up? Even if it just gives you a head start on what you will be cooking every night. If Virginia was flipping through a cookbook the night before, and Heather was off in the hot tub with Keith, who deserves to win?
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47. "RE: Hell's Kitchen #2 Episode #8 East Coast Spoiler Thread." |
LAST EDITED ON 08-11-06 AT 08:14 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 08-11-06 AT 08:11 AM (EST) >She got the puree right because
>she recognized it wasn't potatoes.
>It clicked it was beans
>when she saw them. It
>didn't click with the others.
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>
>But would she have guessed beans
>if she hadn't seen them?
>And did the others see
>them? They didn't show us
>whether they did or not
>but both Heather and Keith
>are smart enough to make
>the connection if they'd had
>the mental prompt like Virginia
>did.
> >I don't know if she actually
>saw a similar recipe ahead
>of time or not. It
>did seem odd that her
>dish varied so greatly from
>the others, though. Different fish,
>different puree, different spices. But
>hey, I'm not a conspiracy
>theorist...
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>Hey, Hey! It's a Tribephyl
>creation! I realize she wouldn't have gotten the beans without seeing them...she said as much. However, neither Keith nor Heather recognized it wasn't potatoes. They immediately grabbed potatoes. Had they recognized it wasn't potatoes they to may have had something click when they looked around for 10 seconds. And i believe there were other ingredients they all used that rack so they all should have seen them. Regardless the key was recognizing it wasn't potatoes. The necessary "mental prompt" was recognizing it wasn't potatoes and sopping for a bit and trying to figure out what else it could be. Nothing wrong with taking a look at what's available. It's what good chefs do...look around for inspiration and see what clicks. It was a good bet the recipe was going to have a few things in it they hadn't cooked with yet. Heather also got the fish correct so that part didn't differ. It was a test of palate and while keith may have created a very good original dish a couple of weeks back he clearly doesn't have discerning taste skills. Not a slam or anything. It's one difference between a good chef at a local downtown restaurant and a great chef who has better tools to create dishes. They can identify what goes into other good recipes from other great chefs and take inspiration from it. Don't get me wrong Keith can cook but he seemed to be missing those intangibles and in the end his attitude I think sunk him. To be honest I can't believe both Keith and Heather (especially heather) mistook the sauce as a cilantro sauce instead of a basil/pink grapefruit sauce. Basil and pink grapefruit are pretty darn bold flavours to miss in any recipe. Even to an untrained palate. That's not to say Virginia not missing some things and Heather isn't missing some things. But they both seem to have more of what's needed to win this particular competition. If it was who wants to be the best line cook then Virginia was gone a long time ago but that's not what this is about. It's also not to say Virginia will win this. At this time, she's playing from behind IMO. Unless she puts together a much better menu and runs the kitchen flawlessly the winner is going to be Heather. The winner from day one was always going to be Heather. Just as in Season one you knew the final two were going to be the two proper cooks/chefs in Michael and Ralph you knew one finalist this season was going to be the sous chef that runs a kitchen of 12. After that it was a toss up for the second person this season but I'm not at all surprised it's another one with restaurant experience (even if it is the salad station) and an apparently very good palate.
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