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"Because You Left/The Lie"
Welcome back all to Season 5!

Finally season premiere time! Just a few more hours!
It's 2 two hour episodes tonight after the recap "Destiny Calls".

Title spec? It seems like the first title "Because You Left" refers to the O6 but you never know with Lost, it could be because someone's daddy left home! Same thing with "The Lie" are we talking about the big O6 lie or is it something else? I have no idea because I am pretty much spoiler free other than the coming attractions they put on tv. I don't even know who these episodes center around.

Please remember to keep all spoilers for this episode in hidden text.

Now excuse me while I go move the island.



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 Hooray! moonbaby 01-21-09 1
   RE: Hooray! zombiebaby 01-21-09 2
       No to ice cream moonbaby 01-21-09 11
           RE: No to ice cream zombiebaby 01-22-09 16
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie trigirl 01-21-09 3
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie LostAddict 01-21-09 4
 This just in mrc 01-21-09 5
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie frodis 01-21-09 6
 Wooohooooo! Breezy 01-21-09 7
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie Max Headroom 01-21-09 8
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie LostAddict 01-21-09 9
       RE: Because You Left/The Lie Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 17
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie suzzee 01-21-09 10
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie batts 01-21-09 12
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie zombiebaby 01-22-09 13
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie Breezy 01-22-09 14
       Yes zombiebaby 01-22-09 15
           RE: Yes Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 18
               Sawyer? zombiebaby 01-22-09 80
           RE: Yes Farmie 01-22-09 25
           RE: Yes LostAddict 01-22-09 48
               RE: Yes zombiebaby 01-22-09 53
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie michel 01-22-09 19
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie Breezy 01-22-09 20
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie trigirl 01-22-09 21
       RE: Because You Left/The Lie Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 24
           RE: Because You Left/The Lie brvnkrz 01-22-09 29
               RE: Because You Left/The Lie HobbsofMI 01-22-09 31
                   RE: Because You Left/The Lie Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 34
                       RE: Because You Left/The Lie HobbsofMI 01-22-09 39
                           RE: Because You Left/The Lie Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 42
                               RE: Because You Left/The Lie HobbsofMI 01-22-09 45
       RE: Because You Left/The Lie warp_core breach 01-22-09 63
           RE: Because You Left/The Lie Chez 01-22-09 78
               RE: Because You Left/The Lie warp_core breach 01-22-09 83
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie zombiebaby 01-22-09 22
       RE: Because You Left/The Lie Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 36
           RE: Because You Left/The Lie zombiebaby 01-22-09 37
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie CTgirl 01-22-09 87
       RE: Because You Left/The Lie michel 01-22-09 90
           RE: Because You Left/The Lie CTgirl 01-22-09 92
           RE: Because You Left/The Lie CTgirl 01-23-09 100
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie trigirl 01-23-09 101
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie mrc 01-22-09 23
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie zombiebaby 01-22-09 27
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 38
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie CTgirl 01-22-09 88
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie zombiebaby 01-22-09 26
   I really like moonbaby 01-22-09 33
       RE: I really like Chez 01-22-09 79
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie dragonflies 01-22-09 28
 More thoughts/questions moonbaby 01-22-09 30
   RE: More thoughts/questions zombiebaby 01-22-09 32
       RE: More thoughts/questions suzzee 01-22-09 41
   RE: More thoughts/questions mrc 01-22-09 35
   RE: More thoughts/questions Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 40
       RE: More thoughts/questions HobbsofMI 01-22-09 46
           RE: More thoughts/questions miamicatt 01-22-09 58
               heh zombiebaby 01-22-09 60
   *head Dracos* Breezy 01-22-09 43
   RE: More thoughts/questions zombiebaby 01-22-09 44
   Toe zombiebaby 01-22-09 75
   RE: More thoughts/questions michel 01-22-09 86
   RE: More thoughts/questions CTgirl 01-22-09 89
   RE: More thoughts/questions greenmonstah 01-24-09 104
       RE: More thoughts/questions pinksparkleguitar 02-02-09 110
           RE: More thoughts/questions Travel_Queen 02-02-09 111
 And something else: Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 47
   RE: And something else: miamicatt 01-22-09 50
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie dajaki 01-22-09 49
 Kate was hot!!! mrc 01-22-09 51
   RE: Kate was hot!!! zombiebaby 01-22-09 54
   RE: Kate was hot!!! Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 55
       RE: Kate was hot!!! HobbsofMI 01-22-09 61
           RE: Kate was hot!!! Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 64
 Question zombiebaby 01-22-09 52
   RE: Question mrc 01-22-09 56
   RE: Question LostAddict 01-22-09 57
       RE: Question zombiebaby 01-22-09 59
           RE: Question LostAddict 01-22-09 66
               RE: Question zombiebaby 01-22-09 67
       RE: Question HobbsofMI 01-22-09 62
           RE: Question Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 65
               RE: Question zombiebaby 01-22-09 68
                   Whispers zombiebaby 01-22-09 69
                       RE: Whispers mrc 01-22-09 71
                           RE: Whispers HobbsofMI 01-22-09 72
           RE: Question LostAddict 01-22-09 73
   Time\Space Stuff trigirl 01-22-09 70
 and.... Ahtumbreez 01-22-09 74
 Ooo! moonbaby 01-22-09 76
   RE: Ooo! HobbsofMI 01-22-09 77
   RE: Ooo! miamicatt 01-22-09 81
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie warp_core breach 01-22-09 82
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie mrc 01-22-09 84
       RE: Because You Left/The Lie zombiebaby 01-22-09 85
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie CTgirl 01-22-09 91
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie trigirl 01-23-09 95
       RE: Because You Left/The Lie miamicatt 01-25-09 105
 The Timeline of the skipping island Chez 01-23-09 93
   RE: The Timeline of the skipping is... trigirl 01-23-09 94
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie Max Headroom 01-23-09 96
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie CTgirl 01-23-09 97
 Dr. Candle mrc 01-23-09 98
   RE: Dr. Candle MPVLOST 01-23-09 99
   RE: Dr. Candle Farmie 01-25-09 106
       RE: Dr. Candle zombiebaby 01-25-09 109
 How long does it take to do a jump? HobbsofMI 01-23-09 102
 RE: Because You Left/The Lie zombiebaby 01-24-09 103
   RE: Because You Left/The Lie skyhoneybear 01-25-09 107
 From the way back machine! zombiebaby 01-25-09 108
   RE: From the way back machine! trigirl 02-03-09 112

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1. "Hooray!"
Tonight tonight tonight!

I decided I am not reading any spoilers this season-gonna watch tv the old fashioned way

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2. "RE: Hooray!"
It really makes it even better! I went off the juice cold turkey right after Shannon died.

You can be strong!

You have ice cream ready? what's your Lost snack food? Warm blanket? I need ice cream and it's freezing out!

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11. "No to ice cream"
too. darn. cold. Maybe hot chocolate with a shot of kahlua in it and a fleece blankie to bundle up in


Will you really have ice cream? What kind?
BRRRRRRRRRRR.

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16. "RE: No to ice cream"
I did! Chocolate chip cookie dough under a blanket on the couch! I was shivering afterwards.

I like the idea of spiked cocoa, godiva chocolate liqor is good too as is baileys! Oh and spiked tea! with blackberry brandy!

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3. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I'm on the wagon too. Saw the headline in the paper this morning....straight into the recycling bin! No spoilers for this puppy.

I am so excited I can hardly wait. Like seriously....I am like an 8 year old on Christmas morning.

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4. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
It's finally here! I can't wait. I too am spoiler free, after being a complete addict for the first 3.5 seasons.

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5. "This just in"
The Lost premiere will be delayed one week while the Obamas try to hit the rest of the inaugural balls.

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6. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I'm looking forward to the premiere. Of course, it just means howevermany weeks of confusion, anticipation, more questions, and worrying about all of the characters I like. I worry about the ones I don't like, too. I worry about everyone.

*sigh*


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I can't wait!


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8. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
This morning I deleted the 6 hours of inauguration coverage stored on the TiVo. I needed to make room for something more important airing on ABC tonight at 9:00.

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9. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I got 10 right. But some of the answers depend on answers we don't have yet, if that makes sense. Anyway.... Guess I need to study up.

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17. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Missed one. I got a nice, warm, 12 yr old can of Dharma beer.


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10. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I just need a hot drink, a squishy blanket, the dogs to be sleeping peacefully, and my jammies.

I don't do spoilers for Lost, it's just too much fun not to know. It's one of the shows I truly enjoy on it's own merits.

I so need a Sawyer fix.....


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Oh... My... Gosh...
What an episode. What a revealing episode. I want to comment on a few things, but can't because it's only the first hour. Finally... answers.
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13. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
LAST EDITED ON 01-22-09 AT 07:12 AM (EST)

One thing...did we get an answer of the "whispers"?
It's them or whoever traveling through time watching them! Right?

Why does Richard need glasses? *hee* Did Ben get a facelift?

Be back later...I think the whole tone of the show changed!

*throws hot pocket at mrc*

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14. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Am I suppose to know who the old lady at the end was?
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15. "Yes"
Mrs. Hawking or Hawkins. Forget which. She is who Desmond bought the ring from and also she was an Other who spoke with Jack I think when they were on that little island.

Interesting, she seems to be a bit more important in it all. Ben seemed a bit nervous around her.
Wonder who Meat Lady was.

Did the guy behind the camera in the beginning look like Sawyer?

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18. "RE: Yes"
She's also the one that told Desmond he couldn't change Charlie's fate.


Excellent episode - I'm glad they had the recap though

I still want to know what Sawyer said to Kate.
Lot's more, I'll be back.

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80. "Sawyer?"
What if...*grin* he told her to put a toy airplane in a safe deposit box in a bank.

Zombs<---still not letting the toy plane go.

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25. "RE: Yes"
Unfortunately, I dozed off and on during the last 45 minutes...gotta remind myself not to lie down on the sofa during Lost. Didn't Daniel tell Desmond to go to Oxford and find his mom? Is Mrs. Hawking Daniel's mom?

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48. "RE: Yes"
She's not the same one Jack spoke with. Jack spoke with the Judge, I can't seem to remember her name, but it was a different actress.

Ms. Hawking was also in a pic at the monestary where Desmond was.

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53. "RE: Yes"
I do remember there was confusion at the time too(I think one actress was the chick from Mommie Dearest) but I thought she was seen talking to them as well.

I probably am wrong. I just thought she had been on the island.

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19. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Great episodes!

I really liked the wink at Survivor. When they returned to the beach and had to start all over, the dynamics and events were typical of Survivor. Bernard trying to make fire with a piece of wood and a string just like Keith in the Outback and being just as unsuccessful. Then, whatsisname going out to find food and brining back a pig. Neil complaining about the whole thing. I was telling myself that he'd be the first one booted off the island and just then... well Fire was Death!!!

Daniel appears to be able to move in time on his own. It was quite interesting to see him when Dharma was building the Orchid. He seemed to know what was behind the rocks. And, could his mother be also Miss Hawking who was with Ben at the end?

Where or rather when did the British commando get to the island and who send them?


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20. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I wasn't sure who the old woman was and my first thought was that she was Daniel's Mom, whom Desmond is suppose to find.
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21. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I didn't think it was a British commando, I thought it was Dharma people....and the Dharma people thought our Losties were Hostiles.

So glad that Cane was cancelled so that we get to see more of yummy, yummy Richard Alpert.

So glad I hadn't read any spoilers....Anna Lucia...LMAO.

Is Sun a bad guy now? Didn't she seem a little evil with Kate?

Ben was definitely nervous around Mrs. Hawkins. SHE is the big boss I think. Do you think she has anything to do\could be Farraday's mother from Oxford? Is Desmond going to get a big surprise when he goes to see her?

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24. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I figured Mrs Hawkins was Farraday's mother, didn't even question it until reading ya'lls replies.

Sun's pissed and wants to kill Ben. I don't think she's going to be a baddie but might screw something's up in order to get Ben. I still don't think Jin's dead.

I would have really laughed if Anna Lucia's parting words to Hurley had been "Don't drink and drive."

Hurley - running out and giving himself up to the police to get away from Ben! OMG. Poor Hurley.

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29. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I don't think Jin is dead, either. IIRC, on the pre-episode episode, I thought the voice over said something like "Sun still thinks Jin is dead". I don't know if I heard it right though.
I also thought that when Locke was told he would have to die, that somehow the time continuim thing was in effect. That maybe at some point he told one of the 6 "if I show up dead, you have to return to the island". And so he dies, everyone goes back to the island and then the time travel plays some role in Locke being saved.

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31. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
But after the first jump the ship was not there burning as Sawyer pointed out but it was also not there with the helicopter and the Oceanic 6.....but Dannel's zodiac boat is there for all the jumps.

So I think we have another question.


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34. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I remember Daniel saying something about being within the parameter. So maybe the freighter was outside with the Zodiac was in.
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39. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Yes, but the burning freighter was not visible to the helicopter after the jump.....

So are their two parameters?


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42. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Oh, you're right.

I wonder if the farther you are away from the wheel the less effect it has. So Locke may have skipped further than the group, the group skipped further than the freighter. And I guess it doesn't effect things in the air?


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45. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I think Locke was just in a different place....at the end he showed up and killed one of the army guys.....

or do you mean that you have to be in the same place to skip together and be on the same time?

The helo was heading to the island when it left the freighter after it blew up but they were able to go home in the same time that they were in as they were rescued by Penny's boat...so they were closer then the freighter....just another question I believe.


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63. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
>So glad that Cane was cancelled
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Couldn't agree with you more!! Especially with those reading glasses!! Grrr!

(but why would a dude who doesn't age need reading glasses?)



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78. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
The glasses sort of looked like those magnifying ones my dentist uses. All the better to poke into a wound and retrieve a bullet without messing up.
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22. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I originally thought she was Daniel's mom too and it appears everyone else does too. So being Lost and misdirection I'm gonna go with Charlotte's mom.

British, been on island-Charlotte was born on island.

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36. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Good thought. Hopefully Charlotte doesn't die, though I think she does.


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37. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Have we seen Cahrlotte and Daniel kiss romantically? I know they hug a lot and show concern for each other but is it romantically?

I was thinking they could be brother/sister.

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87. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
michel, that's so funny that you saw a Survivor connection. When Daniel started flipping through his notes, I thought, 'oh that's like michel with his Survivor notes,' lol!

I think Daniel's going to be a key figure this season. It was a surprise to see him underground when they were building the Orchid, just checking things out!

I thought the "British commando" guy and friends were Dharma because of their shirts with their names on them, although his accent threw me off. But who were the people with the flaming arrows, the hostiles? Dharma has so many guns, the flaming arrows seem so primitive (but effective).


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90. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
You gotta have notes!!
Don't you think it was a nod at Survivor?

I looked at the British commando's uniform and they didn't have the Dharma logo.

As far as Daniel, check my post #86 and see that I also think he and his mom will be key.

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There were so many nods to so many things in the premiere! I missed the Star Wars and Star Trek ones, and I'm sure there were ones we didn't notice.

Survivor was definitely one of them, especially the fire building scene - although I think the boar was partly in reference to Sawyer not wanting to kill one again and Miles being a ghostbuster. That's another thing we haven't really seen much of, but Miles would be able to see/communicate with Claire, Christian, Jacob or any other dead people that are roaming around the island. I think the way they are integrating Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles into the group is wonderful.

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Another thought on the shirt - it could be very early Dharma before they built all the stations and created a logo. They were still trying to win the island from the hostiles (who threw the flaming arrows) and hadn't set up shop yet.
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101. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Where or rather when did the British commando get to the island and who sent them?

I am my own worst freaking enemy. I kinda looked at Spoilerfix but only on the two eps we have seen....not ahead. I just can't help myself.

Not sure if the hidden text changes the way I feel about this, but I thought I would share.
Cunningham: Mid-20s to Early 30s. Any ethnicity. Athletic, used to living outdoors and off the land. He is a loyal soldier but willing to compromise with the enemy to protect his men. This role is introduced in 502 and has scenes in 503.
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23. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
My thoughts:

1. Daniel's mom is going to be super important, I think. She needs a new computer, though.

2. I wonder if what Sawyer told Kate was something that he knew from traveling through time. I guess not, seeing as how one can't change fate, but it was my first thought when I thought about that part of the recap after the episode was over.

3. I think the two guys who confronted Kate were the two guys working for Ben mentioned in the meat shop.

4. The opening scene with Dr. Candle was great. At first, I wondered why Sun had remarried so quickly, then I realized that the woman couldn't have been Sun. I *really* like seeing the early years of the Dharma Iniative.

5. Ana-Lucia's appearance was pretty funny. Good ole Hurley!

6. Sun is much deeper and more complex that I ever would have thought.

7. Sawyer and Juliet are *so* gonna knock boots this season.

I didn't see as many answers as I thought I would, but it was a great returning episode.

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27. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I thought that one guy who got killed by Sayid was one of the lawyers(the goonish one behind the speaking one).

How can Sawyer and Juliet knock boots if that damn island keeps flashing!


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38. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
7. Sawyer and Juliet are *so* gonna knock boots this season.

No. They are not. *kick Ewwww.

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88. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I loved how the opening scene was reminiscent of Season 2 and Desmond in the hatch too. The same getting up in the morning, putting on a record, etc. We're wondering who it is - and even the same clock (I had that clock too a long time ago!)

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26. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
It's long like usual.

1. My big question now is really what is going on with Claire?

2. Sun is creepy now. It was interesting to see her and Kate. Their personalities seemed a bit switched from the island.

3. Faraday kept calling Desmond special, just like everyone called Walt special and Aaron special.

4. Were Hurley's daddy issues resolved here? Seemed it. I felt like Hurley was speaking to the audience in this. He told his mom "don't worry, it will all make sense". Interesting that Hurley's mom also said "Only bad people kill people".

5. I wonder if Ben is lying about being able to return to the island once you move it. I think he was using Locke all along and told him that. I think he knew that Locke would have to die and Ben did not want to be the one to do that. I think Ben can go back to the island, he just does not know where it is.

6. Cutting off hands? Very Star Wars again. I wonder if that is what happened to Candle?

7. If the island is constantly skipping how can Sawyer/Juliet et all ever get any sleep?

8. Why do the o6 need to be back? Do they prevent the skipping? Kind of like a constant. It is similiar to how Des was skipping all around in "The Constant"

9. When Walt appeared to Locke back in Season 3 after Locke was shot does that mean Walt had come back already? Was he back on the island skipping?

10. Previously on Expose....loved it with Hurley dad getting his snacks all ready. I'm trying to remember that episode where Hurley said he could not believe who the Cobra was all along. It was Bily Dee Williams.

11. I really like Juliet and Sawyer together. I loved how they kept showing Sawyer getting hot headed and Juliet would step in and calm everything down. Good pair for leader rather than Jack and Kate. I'm rooting for these two!

12. The tone of the show changed and there are no flashbacks or forwards anymore. In hindsight I think it was a brilliant way to tell a story. Very dramatic and allowed for great character developement while enabling great twists a la switching to flash forwards.


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33. "I really like"
your list!

#8 reminded me it was all set up by the opening where the record skipped on the turntable.

I agree with you about Ben-based on his butcher shop conversation there's more to this getting people back to the island than what he's telling. It does like he had a face lift, too. Also got a creepy vibe from Sun-it would appear she's now in cahoots with Widmore.

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79. "RE: I really like"
I somehow am doubtful about Sun's alliance with Widmore. Wouldn't you think she would blame Widmore for Jin's death more so than Ben? Widmore was the one that sent the freighter and hired the goons - Keamy et al. My personal thought is that Sun and Ben are secretly working together, and trying to trap Widmore.
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28. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I really enjoyed the recap, where the producers injected comments. Plus it refreshed my memory on some things.

Then LOVED the season premiere! Still lots of questions, but I'm ok with them so far.

I'm with the group thinking the lady at the end is Farraday's mom, and I think the goons are pushing Kate to run back to the island, so they must be working for Ben.

Loved seeing Anna Lucia.

I find it curious that Ben said "I lost Reyes".



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30. "More thoughts/questions"
Neil had on a red shirt

Could Miles be the baby that Dr. Candle tended to or is he too young?

Why did Locke have to die and why is his body so important to bring back? How come they all got swept into the same time period at first except for Locke? And how come no one else but Charlotte got the nosebleed (I don't like her much but I felt pretty bad when I saw that happen)?

If Richard is so all knowing how come he said to Locke: the next time you see me I won't recognize you? I thought he was the supreme time traveler. Oh, wait-Faraday is the big time traveler. So what time period is he really from? Is he original Dharma? How come he was able to get Des to open the door and talk to him after telling Sawyer it couldn't be done?

What the heck did Sawyer step on and why was it given a scene of its own? I didn't get that or why he wanted a shirt so badly

Who can wait until next week for more?

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32. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
The shirt! I meant to post that too! I thought there was a lot of time devoted to it, like we were supposed to notice it.

I wonder if any old scenes from previous seasons has him wearing it? It could be "clue" that it is time tripping Sawyer.

Or they were having fun with us by showing us shirtless Sawyer for so long.

The injury? Will it heal quick on him?

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41. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
*swoon* at Sawyer. You might be right at the time tripping/shirt-shirtless thing with him. Was he shirtless in the helicopter when he got in and when he jumped? I have a bit of trouble concentrating on plot when I get distracted. I deem it my duty to rewatch.


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35. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
Could Miles be the baby that Dr. Candle tended to or is he too young?

Good thought.

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40. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
I "skipped" back to see if Neil had on a red shirt DH thought I was crazy.

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46. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
I said out load that Neil was going to die and he needed a red shirt....Mrs. Hobbs just looked at me like I was crazy....bam...he was dead....and she asked how I knew that and what's with the red shirt....she has never seen Star Trek so hard to explain.


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58. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
LOL! I used to call that the "6th Member". (That 6th member of the away team never comes back...)

It took me the longest time to figure out where I'd seen that guy before too.

The Peanut Butter/Aaron Burr version of the Got Milk ads. Now THAT'S obscure!

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you said "member"
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Moooooonnnnn! Some good thoughts there, but now my head is spinning.
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44. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
I don't think Locke was sent into a different time period. Remember those at the beach had no camp so it was before they got there. Locke witnessed Yemi's plane go down, which was prior to 815 going down.

They were just on different parts of the island.

Desmond is different. Desmond time consciousness travels while those on the island are physically moving through time.

I think others have mentioned that the Asian couple in the beginning stated that the baby was a girl.

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Speculation on the street ie: other boards is maybe Sawyer's toe gets infected and has to be amputated causing him to be the inspiration for the 4 toed statue!
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86. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
"Oh, wait-Faraday is the big time traveler. So what time period is he really from?"

I'm thinking he comes from well into the future when they will start installing time travel machines. The wheel-like one that Faraday and his people (the british commando?) put on the island went crazy and started this whole mess.

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89. "RE: More thoughts/questions"
I think Daniel could talk to Desmond because they'd already met each other before in Oxford when they got Penny to be Desmond's constant.

Maybe Sawyer's shirt is important, but I think C&L were just playing up Sawyer's hotness for the fans!

I think I'll watch it again so I can have another Lost fix before next Wednesday!

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>If Richard is so all knowing
>how come he said to
>Locke: the next time you
>see me I won't recognize
>you? I thought he was
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Remember back when Richard goes to visit the child Locke? He gave him four objects from which to chose among. I thought one of the four objects was a compass? Puts the whole "give me the compass" thing in an interesting, new light.


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Exactly. He asks the young Locke to 'Choose which object is yours' and he doesn't pick the compass, even though it's among the objects. He picks the knife, which seems to disappoint Richard. Perhaps a test to see if Locke is time-traveling yet?


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I thought he took the sand, the compass and then the knife. Richard seemed annoyed when he picked up the knife..not sure why.
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47. "And something else:"
I keep remembering questions or thoughts I had lastnight:

When Widmore said to Ben: (something along the lines of) Everything you have you took from me.

Was Widmore the leader of the Others at one time?

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50. "RE: And something else:"
I was thinking Widmore was the main financier/creator of the Dharma project. Since Ben wiped all those Dharma folks out and killed the whole concept, it would make sense that Widmore would say that to him.

On another note -- I have the exact same purse as Kate. I feel so cool today.

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My thought processes re: Sun - Why does Sun want Ben dead? Does she hold him accountable for Jin's death and how would she reach that conclusion? Did she know that Ben killed Meaney when he knew that Meaney's death meant the destruction of the freighter? The only person who witnessed Meaney's death, besides Ben, was Locke who was appalled at Ben's disregard for the lives of those aboard the freighter. Did Locke visit Sun at some point after the O6 rescue and tell her?


Edited to add: Sawyer's in a tropical climate. He absolutely does not need a shirt. ;)

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51. "Kate was hot!!!"
Apparently, if you have Kat in your name, I will find you irresistible.


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54. "RE: Kate was hot!!!"
No way! I know too cause I am a professional tv viewer.

How did that facelift feel?

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*tries to re-arrange name. damn no K. whimper


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Tummy's always hot!!!

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64. "RE: Kate was hot!!!"
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52. "Question"
When Faraday was explaining to them that they were skipping and such did he mean that now they are skipping or was prior to being moved the island skipping? He said something about a loop that allowed them to exist on the island...maybe why they got continual Dharma food drops? Able to count on rain, fence up?

Then when they moved the island it became unstuck and out of the loop? Or do I have it backwards and now the island is "skipping" like the visual of the record. I'm confused. I think it is just the terminology.

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56. "RE: Question"
I don't know, but the record that Dr. Candle put on at the beginning of the episode was skipping.

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57. "RE: Question"
I think they are skipping now. Before they were stuck in time/space, but now they are skipping because of the frozen donkey wheel stuff.

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59. "RE: Question"
but they are not looping now, they were looping before? they were "stuck" before and now they are "unstuck"? Yet skipping all over time, not just same place over and over?

I think I just looped myself.

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66. "RE: Question"
I think you're making me loopy.

Before they were not looping, but were in one time/space period. Now, because the frozen donkey wheel, made them go loopy they are skipping all over the place. This will continue until ?? Someone has to stop it, I'm guessing that's why Dan told Des to find his mom. She probably knows how to make it stop.

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67. "RE: Question"
So why did Daniel say that before the island moved they were caught in a loop? Didn't he? Do I have a swiss cheese brain? Help!!!
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Did you noticed that the frozen donkey wheel was in the ultra sounding when they were building the station.....so Dharma did not build that part of the station.


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65. "RE: Question"
It was the 4-toed giants that installed the wheel. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


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68. "RE: Question"
I love toes. Especially hair ones!


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69. "Whispers"
Alright I'm going back and reading the old transcripts!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts#Sayid_in_the_jungle

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71. "RE: Whispers"
I'll tell ya, zombs, those whispers are freakin' spooky when you read the transcripts! I wonder if they are voices from other "times."
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72. "RE: Whispers"
I think they are....and the Losties don't want to run into their "twin"....but they want to help too but maybe they've seen what happens when you mess with time like Dannel does.


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73. "RE: Question"
That I don't remember. I'll have to go back and see.

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70. "Time\Space Stuff"
I couple of theories\questions about the time/space stuff:

Oceanic 6:
If they were in one time space...the Losties would not have been away 108 days as indicated by Oceanic Airlines at the O6 press conference.

Ben's Journey Through the Donkey Wheel:
Notice Ben immediately ends up in the Sahara after turning the donkey wheel. He sees a press conference about Nadia's death...which obviously takes place some time after the O6 have returned. I think 6 months was the time I had heard.

Jin:
Regarding Jin and the time\space stuff. I think Jin was in a different wave of the perimiter, and thus I think he is in a different time/space zone that both the islanders and the O6'ers. I think he is going to turn up as an old man. He's definitely not dead.

Dharma and the Hostiles:
I think that the Losties are really the hostiles, or will become part of the hostiles. They have or will be blipped back to the Dharma time. Remember in the early days of Lost, Darlton told us that twins were important. Perhaps it was not twins, but the Losties themselves from two different time zones.

Okay, my brain is spinning!

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74. "and...."
I have to admit that when Locke was climbing up to the airplane, I wanted him to reach it and it to fall so Boone wouldn't have died. I know, they can't change anything, but still.....

I miss Boone. and Shannon.


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76. "Ooo!"
Here's something to ponder: what if they are all there in "old Dharma" time when Ben releases the poison gas?


I'm going to look thru some web pics of past episodes to see what shirt Sawyer is wearing. Oh, and that whole four toe theory would be pretty dang funny, to have that statue based on him!

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77. "RE: Ooo!"
Then won't they all be in the pit? Any photo's of those name tags in the pit?


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81. "RE: Ooo!"
I wondered that too. Plus I was thinking back to the first season and the two decayed bodies in the cave. Which of our Losties are in the cave?
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82. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
My thoughts (which will most likely echo other's thoughts):

1. Loved the start of the season premiere. It was very reminiscent of the season 2 premiere - which I loved... unknown man waking up, making breakfast, showering, exercising, playing music - and it's Desmond... ahhh! This ep... unknown man wakes up to baby crying, gets baby's bottle ready, feeds baby, showers, goes to work, music playing - and it's Marvin(?) Candle... ahhh!

2. I thought the baby was a girl. I was a distance away from a teeny tv, but I thought the baby didn't really have Asian features? I'll say that the baby is Charlotte.

3. What's up with Faraday? Dude's everywhere!

4. I kept telling Sawyer to put a shirt on.

5. So just how are Jack & Ben supposed to get a dead body in a coffin back to the island without anybody noticing?

6. What was in the box that Ben pulled out of the vent? He tried to be casual about it but at the same time was hiding it from Jack.

7. I think Charlotte is going to die... it's like she doesn't belong in that time continuim or something like that.

8. Who were those military dudes? Nasty bunch if they were going to cut off Juliet's hand without getting answers in the first.

9. When will they add Rose & Bernard as part of the regular cast?

10. I was hoping that Locke would make it to the plane and I would see Yemi.

11. It's funny that the ageless Richard Alpert needs reading glasses... but they made him look really hot. (*swoon*)

12. Ben looked nervous for the first time ever in the presence of that woman.

13. The woman is Faraday's mom.

14. Loved seeing Ana Lucia! She looked so polished compared to her island days. Loved the "Libby says hi" line.

15. Oh, did I mention that Richard Alpert is hot? And he needs more screen time.


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84. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
6. What was in the box that Ben pulled out of the vent? He tried to be casual about it but at the same time was hiding it from Jack.

Oooh! I forgot about that.

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85. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Didn't Ben have or look at a walking cane or stick(not the baton of doom), the same one that was in The Orchid near the convulsing Dharma guy?
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91. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
There isn't much more I can add - everyone has posted so many things to think about! I thought it was a great premiere. Even though they didn't answer many questions, I like the time traveling format and feel like all the pieces are coming together. It's going to be great to see how everything fits.

It was exciting too! There were several times when my stomach lurched. My nerves!! I loved it.

I like how Hurley is the moral conscience of the Oceanic 6 (and he's the crazy one?!) Listening to his monotone recital of every unbelievable thing that has happened was hysterical. And of course his line to Sayid, "Maybe if you ate more comfort food, you wouldn't have to go around shooting people," totally cracked me up. Poor guy had to run to the cops to escape Ben. Can't wait to see how they spring him from jail!

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95. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Can't wait to see how they spring him from jail!

Oh goody, I hear that Michael Scofield is looking for a new job!

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105. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
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93. "The Timeline of the skipping island"
Haven't seen this analysis anywhere so far.

It seems to me, after reviewing the episodes, there were 4 "flashes" on the island after the O6 left. I am convinced Locke is moving along with the other Lostie group.

Flash 1: key clue is the crash of the Nigerian plane. I don't recall exaactly when in time this occurred, but I guess we could figure it out from reviewing Mr. Ecko's flashback. I will guess it is about 1991 to 1995.

Flash 2: sometime in the future, meaning post-January 2005. Losties find the Hatch is blown.

Flash 3: Desmond is in the hatch, so this timeline is between 2001 and 2004

Flash 4: the Brit or Australian soldiers and the flaming arrows. It has to be in the past, but when? From the uniforms I think it must be post WWII.

I also think that the "70 hour window" Mrs. Hawking referred to means that she has calculated the island will return to the same time as the rest of the world for a 70 hour window, and that is the only time the O6 will be able to get there. (Alternatively, the island may not actually be at the same time as the rest of the world during that 70 hours, but it will at least be at a time when the O6 can bridge the gap.)

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94. "RE: The Timeline of the skipping island"
I also think that the "70 hour window" Mrs. Hawking referred to means that she has calculated the island will return to the same time as the rest of the world for a 70 hour window.

Does that mean that Charles Widmore found a similiar 'window' when he sent the freighter. From Mrs. Hawkins' maps, you could see that there had been several 'events'. Could this be the same technology Penny was using when she had the tracking team in the Arctic?

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96. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
Now that I've watched the episode, I can come in here and read everyone's comments.

That was a great premiere. Here's hoping the rest of the season is as entertaining as the first two hours were!


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97. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
I promise this season I won't make any comments about Lost on OT before you've had a chance to watch it!
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98. "Dr. Candle"
One more thing--Dr. Candle has been seen in other orientation videos w/ a prosthetic hand. He apparently had his original hand in this episode. I wonder if there is some connection to the peeps threatening to cut off Juliet's hand and Candle losing his.
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99. "RE: Dr. Candle"
On a similar vein, way back in season 1, Danielle mentioned that one of her crew had lost their arm. I wonder if there's a connection there too?


I had to laugh a little when Ana Lucia said "Don't get arrested".
because the actress was arrested shortly before her character was killed off and there was major speculation that it was because of the arrest (which it wasn't), but it was still funny.

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106. "RE: Dr. Candle"
Good observation MRC.

On Wednesday night, at the beginning of the episode when Dr. Candle is filming a man runs in and interrupts. On that night I thought I heard him call Dr. Candle, Dr. Chang. I went, huh?!? I watched the rerun last night and just to make sure that scene again on abc.com this morning; sure enough the man calls him Dr. Chang.

Have we ever heard Dr. Candle referred to as Dr. Chang?

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109. "RE: Dr. Candle"
He has had a different name in each video. However I think in the video released this summer he said his name was Chang.
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102. "How long does it take to do a jump?"
I was thinking.....Danial goes to Desmond on the thrid jump the Losties did but Desmond remembers it 3 years after they left the island. So does each jump take a years worth of real time and thus why Richard and the Others never age? If it takes a years time and the island is only in that spot for a couple of days thus why Ben has 70 hours to get the O6 (what about Desmond?) to the island or it won't show up for a year?


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103. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
LAST EDITED ON 01-24-09 AT 04:24 PM (EST)

So I wonder...this is out there. Could Locke way back in season 1 when he encounters the "monster" and claims he "looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful" or something like that be related to our current events? Could post-move Locke have gone back to that time and killed himself? Then we would have the "body" to send back? Locke would then take his own place and re-live all that time back up to now?

Thi is where all those time travel theories get wonky and confusing and what rules apply to what show etc.


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107. "RE: Because You Left/The Lie"
>LAST EDITED ON 01-24-09
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>
>So I wonder...this is out there.
> Could Locke way back
>in season 1 when he
>encounters the "monster" and claims
>he "looked into the eye
>of the island and it
>was beautiful" or something like
>that be related to our
>current events? Could post-move
>Locke have gone back to
>that time and killed himself?
> Then we would have
>the "body" to send back?
> Locke would then take
>his own place and re-live
>all that time back up
>to now?
>
>Thi is where all those time
>travel theories get wonky and
>confusing and what rules apply
>to what show etc.
>
>
>Also have y'all seen this link?
> It is "in game".
>
>
>http://www.ajiraairways.com/home

You can find out more about the above link at:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ajira_Airways

If you haven't been to lostpedia yet, you should go! It has all the info and trivia on everything about lost. It includes each character, episode, situation, and theory. I get LOST (pun intended) in the web site all the time.

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108. "From the way back machine!"
Trippy!

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Wooo love that. Forgot how much I miss Boone.
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