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11-01-06, 10:22 PM (EST)
 
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"11/1 Episode" |
Thought I'd start up this week's discussion thread since nobody else has yet. I liked the episode. Of course, now there are more questions...as always, haha.A few main points that I'm thinking about: 1) I don't know whether Juliet is to be trusted with her "movie", although I'd say go with it. What does Jack have to lose, anyway? Not much. 2) Sad to see Eko die. Much rather would've seen Charlie go...oh well. 3) These two new Losties - they don't seem that great. Hopefully they'll have something important to contribute eventually. 4) Who was that creepy guy with the eyepatch? Oooo I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about him. 5) What's up with the black cloud...Locke says he saw a beautiful bright light, Eko sees a dark ominous cloud...huh? And what's its "motive"? Anyone else have any comments?  
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11-01-06, 11:20 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
>Thought I'd start up this week's
>discussion thread since nobody else
>has yet. I liked the
>episode. Of course, now there
>are more questions...as always, haha.
>
>
>A few main points that I'm
>thinking about:
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>1) I don't know whether Juliet
>is to be trusted with
>her "movie", although I'd say
>go with it. What does
>Jack have to lose, anyway?
>Not much. I wouldn't trust her. After all, Jack seems to know Ben is going to die from his spinal condition anyway... why kill him in a mock surgery? Hmmmmm.... >2) Sad to see Eko die.
>Much rather would've seen Charlie
>go...oh well. Agree 100% >4) Who was that creepy guy
>with the eyepatch? Oooo I'm
>getting goosebumps just thinking about
>him. What hatch were they seeing? Where did they tie into? Was it the underwater bunker they tied into? >5) What's up with the black
>cloud...Locke says he saw a
>beautiful bright light, Eko sees
>a dark ominous cloud...huh? And
>what's its "motive"? Yeah, what's with Lockes bright light sighting? Was he just saying that to see if Eko was seeing the same thing as he was? 
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11-01-06, 11:33 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
I apologize in advance for the long post, but this episode really got me thinking.
1) I don't know whether Juliet is to be trusted with her "movie", although I'd say go with it. What does Jack have to lose, anyway? Not much.
I have my doubts about there actually being a rift between Juliet and Ben. There may indeed be some friendly rivalry between the two, but I think they are very much on the same team. It seemed odd to me that Ben admitted to Jack about having some elaborate plan to "break him" and make him "want to do the operation". What was even more odd was the comment that Ben made about Juliet resembling Jack's ex. Almost seemed as though he were trying to push Jack into trusting Juliet. This makes me believe that the real plan to break Jack has something to do with testing him and seeing if he will actually go along with Juliet's scheme.
2) Sad to see Eko die. Much rather would've seen Charlie go...oh well.
Agreed. I really expected Eko to have a more significant role to play within the events on the island. Who knows, maybe now we'll have Eko appearing in strange visions.
3) These two new Losties - they don't seem that great. Hopefully they'll have something important to contribute eventually.
I find it odd the way they have been weaving these new characters into the show little by little with almost no introduction. Maybe the producers are just holding out, but I think new characters demand their own flashback episodes. At least that way we would be able to feel some sort of connection to these new characters, rather than the indifference I currently feel for them.
4) Who was that creepy guy with the eyepatch? Oooo I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about him.
I don't even know what to say to this. The only thing I can think is - how many other people are there hanging around underground?
5) What's up with the black cloud...Locke says he saw a beautiful bright light, Eko sees a dark ominous cloud...huh? And what's its "motive"?
I'm beginning to think that smokey the monster can manifest itself in different ways depending on the person it is currently targeting. In the final scene where Eko's brother appeared, he said something about it being time for Eko to "confess his sins and be judged". That appears to be what happened. Maybe after Eko said that he wasn't sorry for the things he had done, the monster judged him and decided that he was no longer worthy of living. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Eko had been sorry. Would he still be alive? I'm beginning to think the monster is some sort of morality enforcer. I now think that it has a very direct connection to the others. Maybe they really are the "good guys", because they were the only ones left on the island after the monster killed the rest of the Dharma group. Overall, it seems more like the island judicial system than the island security system. 
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11-02-06, 00:10 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
I hated that they killed off Eko. He was one of the truly interesting characters on the island. I was so wrong about how this episode would end. I thought he was being led back to the beach where he'd started the church and his "brother" would say "you owe me a church". Boy, was I wrong. I don't trust Juliet and I'm not sure Ben has a tumor. How paranoid am I?! They like to play too many mindgames and I find myself questioning everything that comes out of their mouths. And I still want to know how they get all the info they have, like what Jack's ex looks like. Because if they can get that can't they get Ben help besides Jack? Also, where the heck is Sun and Jin?
I don't like them bringing on new Losties if they can't find the time to give us facetime with the ones we already care about. I really liked Hurley's response to Locke's asking if anyone wanted to come with him And hasn't the producers said the security device is not nanobots? Well, if not, then what? Questions, questions and more questions.
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11-02-06, 03:06 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-02-06 AT 03:06 AM (EST)1) I don't know whether Juliet is to be trusted with her "movie", although I'd say go with it. What does Jack have to lose, anyway? Not much. I don't think the "others" are the bad guys but I do think they are manipulative. My guess is that she and Ben are working together. 2) Sad to see Eko die. Much rather would've seen Charlie go...oh well. Another dead Taily. Wasn't Eko arrested too? I think that getting arrested is not a good career move for an actor on Lost. . Only one Taily left and that is Rose's husband. 5) What's up with the black cloud...Locke says he saw a beautiful bright light, Eko sees a dark ominous cloud...huh? And what's its "motive"? Maybe it has something to do with the "eye of the beholder". This was a pretty good episode but too much Jack.
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11-02-06, 08:17 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
>Only one
>Taily left and that is
>Rose's husband. There are still the ones the Others captured, including the kids. When Sawyer and Kate were sent to do hard labor, the other workers were probably Tailies. The Black Cloud must appear differently whether that person seeing it is "Good" or "Bad". Of course that would mean Locke is considered good or he is being tested still. Juliette might have been one of the persons Ben broke with his mindgames. She now sees a way to free herself. The other possibility is that they are testing Jack to see if he is a killer or not. That would mean Ben is pretty committed to his research if he is willing to let Jack operate to prove a point. Then again, if it is the Others who are conducting the experiments, they would need to be very committed to the program to have given an arsenal to the Losties. 
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11-02-06, 09:40 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
I am very unhappy that they killed off Eko. He was one of my favourite characters!!!!!!!I agree that the black smoke is a moral metre of some kind. I said last season that it was a conscience. Remember when you watched the episode the first time Eko saw the smoke in slow motion, you could see pictures of the church, his brother, a woman. He was ready to 'confess' at that time and came back to build a church. This time he did not confess and look how that ended up. I agree that the Juliet - Ben thing is another test. I sure hope that Jack does not intentionally try to kill Ben. Let him die slowly if that is his intent. Don't like the new Losties. Maybe it's contract renewal time and the producers want to point out that everyone is replaceable and expendable. 
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11-02-06, 12:21 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
Regarding the black smoke - I was just wondering if it is activated in some way when the monitoring stations are active, or when some electrical activity is taking place nearby. The reason I thought of that is - didn't the black smoke appear in last night's episode at exactly the same time that Sayid was fiddling with the wires on the monitoring computers in the nearby hatch? Of course we don't have direct evidence from the previous appearances of the smoke as to whether this was the case, but maybe it is something to consider.
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11-02-06, 12:52 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
The smoke was actually tracking Eko before that, so I don't think it is tied to electrical activity.
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11-02-06, 01:14 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
I have some random observations.After seeing the black smoke toss Eko around, I guess we can now imagine how the pilot wound up impaled in the tree way back at the beginning. Didn't the losties hear the "security system" sound then, too? Eko's brother's body isn't the first one that wasn't where it was supposed to be. Remember when Jack found his father's coffin and there was no body inside? The assumtion then was that the airline never put the body inside, but could it be that he was, in fact, in there? Jack has seen his father on the island. Did the image of Eko rolling the giant stone away from the plane remind anyone else of a "Jesus in the tomb" image? As soon as I saw him rolling the giant stone away, I mentioned to DH, "doesn't that seem Jesus-ey to you?" DH said, "so you don't think his body is in there?" Bingo. My first reaction to the new "losties" was that they're like the red shirt guys on Star Trek and are only there to get killed, at some point. Remember Rousseau talking about the "black smoke"? I wonder if she was talking about the security system and not the smoke rising from the beach, as it seemed at the time. Especially since when the smoke was rising from the beach it wound up being Rousseau herself that started that fire. Just some thoughts. I have no idea how they fit in, but they were things that stuck out to me last night. 
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11-02-06, 02:33 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
Maybe I'm just getting cynical, or maybe I've lost my Lost addiction, but when Locke leaned over to hear Eko, Mr. Bebo asked me what I thought he had said. My answer? "Save the cheerleader, save the world." I was just disappointed last night. All that buildup over a Lost death, and the Eko-centered episode made it obvious that he was a goner. It would have been oh-so-more dramatic if he has just been polar bear food. 
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11-02-06, 02:46 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
Well that was ok, I guess...So I suppose we can surmise that things that shouldnt be there but occasionally show up like Jack's Dad, Sawyer's boar, Kate's horse, Hurley's imaginary friend, and possibly even Locke's Boone (and Eme?) and Shannon's Walt visions, are in fact manifestations of the black smoke monster. Still no clue what it is, how it got there, and why sometimes it seems helpful and other times it just kills. The common "kill's" have both been to people who were physically injured or dead (perhaps it weeds out the sick and dying for the good of the other survivors???). Remember they kept hearing the monster in the woods while the Marshall was dying on the beach, once he died, they didnt really see the thing again until after the annoying teacher guy, (Artz?) got blown up. Just a thought. I suppose the Ecko story was done, but it seems like not anymore than a lot of other peoples stories as well. Sayid for instance should probably watch out. Sad to see him go, and is it just me or does it seem like the producers decided that the whole tail section storyline was just not as compelling as the Others/hatch guy, and so they systematically killed off anyone associated with that plotline so they didnt have to ever go back to it. The tumor and Juliet plotline is getting interesting. Is the tumor really on Ben? Will Jack willingly go along with the Juliet plot? what is Juliet's relationship with Ben anyway (former lover?/sibling?/cult follower?/rival?), and is she really trying to kill Ben off or is she working with Ben to continue to break Jack and force him to do the things they want him to. It is very hard to trust the Others, because they have been very untrustworthy, especially Ben and Juliet because they clearly are the most manipulative of the lot. Somehow I expect that the tumor really is Ben's and that the Juliet "movie" was simply designed to test Jack to see if he would in fact purposely kill him instead of trying to save him. I suspect Jack wont take Juliet's bait, but instead try to pit the two of them against one another to his advantage (since they are working together though, I suspect it wont work out the way he plans). -ICB PS: As far as the new people go, it seems like they reverse gendered the bickering Shannon/Boone "couple" and brought them back as Paulo/Nikki... may they have the same fate, sooner rather than later.
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11-03-06, 08:42 AM (EST)
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20. "Why Eko was killed" |
The front page of Thursday's USA Today Life section had a small blurb. Apparently, the actor (forget his name) lost both parents in the past year and asked to be written out of the show.
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11-03-06, 10:22 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-03-06 AT 10:24 AM (EST)Anyone else think that the glass eye that was found in the Taillies hatch belongs to One-eyed-Willy that we saw on the TV monitor? Also, we've been led to believe that the island has "healing powers" a la Locke's ability to walk, Rose's cancer in supposed remission, etc. So why would Ben's tumor not be effected? Maybe since it probably developed while he was on the island? ETF - Spelling
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11-03-06, 10:28 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
Wow. Good points that I hadn't thought of.
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11-05-06, 07:42 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
Also, we've been led to believe that the island has "healing powers" a la Locke's ability to walk, Rose's cancer in supposed remission, etc. So why would Ben's tumor not be effected? Maybe since it probably developed while he was on the island? Exactly what I was thinking when the whole "tumor" thing came up. And add in Sun getting pregnant since being on the island, her infertility problem cured. At first I thought maybe the Others were messing with Jack & the xray was old and before the island fixed Ben. Now I just think the writers keep forgetting what the heck they wrote in the past with all their jumping around. This show is getting on my nerves. Killing off Ecko so soon & too much Jack & the "Others." This season is ridiculous & I wish they'd go back to the basics & deal with the Losties & their back stories & what their plan is now with their situation. I'll be watching to see who the next actor is to get arrested on a driving charge in Hawaii. Seems to me that is the real reason they are killing off these people. The brief third-party article re Ecko wanting to be off the show doesn't wash with me. Lost is losing it's luster with me. The fact that I DVR it & don't get around to watching it for a few days rather than ASAP like before is telling for me. Sure hope this season turns around soon. 
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11-03-06, 05:29 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-03-06 AT 05:31 PM (EST)-Ice 9 It’s nice to have you join us here. I agree with the strange change in Eko’s demeanor not really sync up with the way he was earlier being portrayed. Maybe he lost faith somehow with the exploding hatch or something… I am thinking it really did have to do with his desire to leave the show. There is a lot to discover with eye-patch guy yet. I am not so sure that the camera he covered allowed him to see the individuals in the Pearl station. He must have noticed it turning on (red light or something) and from past experience knew he didn’t want to be watched and shut it down. Maybe?
By the way… I love the user name. Is it from Vonnegut’s Cats Cradle? He is a pretty amazing author.
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11-04-06, 04:36 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: 11/1 Episode" |
>It’s nice to have you join
>us here. Good to be here. >There is a lot to discover
>with eye-patch guy yet.
>I am not so sure
>that the camera he covered
>allowed him to see the
>individuals in the Pearl station.
> He must have noticed
>it turning on (red light
>or something) and from past
>experience knew he didn’t want
>to be watched and shut
>it down. Maybe? Well, the Pearl station is the only one we've seen with surveillance capabilities. So if Patch-Eye is familiar with the setup of the hatches, he would know that someone in the Pearl station is watching him. And if he controls the smoke monster, he may have seen all of them going to the Pearl station. Still just a wild theory, but I like it better than the smoke monster being able to assess character and dish out punishment accordingly.
>By the way… I love the
>user name. Is it
>from Vonnegut’s Cats Cradle?
Yep. Just a shout-out to my favorite author.
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