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47. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
I totally agree. The Oklahoma man was a arrogant, rude, non-sensative/non-emotional jerk. I could not believe that he expects his wife to do EVERYTHING at home and then also do a 8 hour job from home. When he told the "new wife" about how his wife wants to do that, i thought that was a bunch of BS. Who the hell wants to work that hard 24/7 with little ot no sleep every single night. If i was her I would not put up with put up with being treated like that from my husband. He deserved a wake up call and I hope that h truely got one. As for that one out of work actor just waiting for his break to come. I dont get why he couldnt help out his wife with bringing in an income. Just cuz he's a unemployed actor is no reason to just let ur wife have the sole responsibility of bringing home money. He should of been helping her out financially after he became unemployed rather than sitting at home waiting for his "big break" to come. Marriage is supposed to be a partnership, where two people help each other out when needed not leaving the burdon of providing on one person. Also I could understand having one person working and one staying home if your able to do that but from the impression that i got tonight i dont think that either of these families could truely afford to do that. I hope this experience has helped these couples lives in making changes for the better not worse.
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11-18-04, 09:43 AM (EST)
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55. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
This family really needs a coffeemaker with a timer. Get it ready the night before and it will be ready in the morning. Nobody needs to get up that early just to make coffee. She can kiss him goodbye and go back to sleep.
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11-18-04, 09:45 AM (EST)
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56. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
I'm suspecting he took this name as a stage name. At least I hope that is how he got the name.
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11-17-04, 10:07 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
The Oklahoma stay at home submissive mom is an idiot who is married to a lunkhead. Great. My blood is boiling and I don't know if I'll last the hour.
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11-17-04, 10:29 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: HEEEELLLLLOOOOO..." |
I don't understand you two. Why is Hallmark a slacker? Seems he keeps house beautifully and brings his wife breakfast in bed. In short, he does everything a "dutiful submissive wife" does. So why is he a slacker? What planet am I on? And more importantly, what century am I living in?
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11-17-04, 10:33 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: HEEEELLLLLOOOOO..." |
You answered your own question...that is what a "dutiful submissive wife does"! HE.IS.A.MAN! Not a woman. He doesn't want to work at a job to make money. What do you call that?
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11-17-04, 10:36 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: HEEEELLLLLOOOOO..." |
I call that a househusband. If being a housewife is an acceptable job, what's wrong with being a househusband? Do you believe the woman's place is in the home? If so, that is the point of our disagreement and we don't need to discuss it further.
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11-17-04, 10:50 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: HEEEELLLLLOOOOO..." |
He has a dream that he has not given up on. (No, I am not in favor of people giving up their dreams) In the meantime, he is breaking his back keeping a beautiful home and taking care of his wife's child. You say he doesn't try to make anything out of his life because he doesn't work and stays home and keeps house. WEll isn't that what Dawn does? Why are you not saying that Dawn does not try to make anything out of her life? It sounds as if you have different expectations and limitations on people based on their gender. I may be wrong, but it appears you have a double standard.
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11-17-04, 10:57 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: HEEEELLLLLOOOOO..." |
You said Hallmark is a slacker and no ambition to do anything with his life. But to support that contention you point to the fact that Dawn is a housewife plus a transcriptionist. That does not make Hallmark a slacker. It just makes Dawn overworked.
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11-22-04, 09:45 AM (EST)
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76. "RE: HEEEELLLLLOOOOO..." |
Volsfan, I am disappointed in your response - it does not seem to address Tempo's valid point. It is not just a matter of opinion - it was the inconsistencies of YOUR opinion that were being examined. You called Hallmark "a man that don't want to work", which reveals that you do not consider housework and childcare to be "real" work, for a man, anyway. Ask yourself if you would have made those comments if Hallmark was a woman. When Tempo pointed out that Hallmark "keeps house beautifully", you responded that "HE. IS. A. MAN.", and then later insisted that you have no problem with someone following non-traditional gender roles. You tried to explain away this apparent contradiction by bringing up Hallmark's unrealistic acting dream - if Hallmark didn't have a dream and "just" kept house and raised his daughter, would that change your opinion of him? Or do you feel that anyone, man or woman, who doesn't aspire to anything beyond housework and raising children has no self-respect? Hallmark's acting dream and Dawn's insane work schedule are irrelevant to the issue being discussed.
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11-26-04, 08:31 AM (EST)
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83. "RE: HEEEELLLLLOOOOO..." |
Hmmm, it's been 4 days and no response. My guess is that my last post received the same scrutiny as the previous ones.
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46. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
Wow! This is the first episode in which all four people got their acts together.Two complaints about Dawn: 1. She called Hallmark a slacker. He cooks, cleans, takes the daughter to school. He does everything that Dawn does at her home. Can we say HYPOCRITE? 2. Making Hallmark burn all his headshots and resumes was a bit extreme. It didn't look like he was going to fulfill his Hollywood dream any time soon, but still! WTF kind of a name is Hallmark anyway? That's a card/gift shop!
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57. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
Was I the only one giggling when the one husband was yelling at Kym that she had to get up to get him off? OK, my mind was in the gutter all alone.
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58. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
I loved last nights episode. Only Miss Kym, who reminded me of Wanda Sykes, could pull that off. While her attitude caused problems in her marriage, the redneck family needed a dose of the tongue.I was suprised how quickly JimmyRedneck turned. Obviously he loves his doormat of a wife. But what galled me was again this use of "we live a Christian life" Uh you have a bible and you stay home in a filty poorly kept home and are apparently miserable and your husband berates you. And the Christian values are where exactly? I mean this poor woman with all her "traditional values" would hardly put Martha Stewart out of business. The house husband/actor kept a better home and was a better cook. Of course Hallmark (is that really his name or did he steal it off a card not knowing its a card company!) was a bit of wuss. But he did learn that he was the male equivalent of the doormat. And considering having self respect on both their counts is essential for a happy marriage their bonding over it was geniune and mutual. You have to give props to Miss Wanda she used her management tactics to the hilt - god help anyone who works for her she must be a total hellion. I loved when she was screaming, "Jimmy, clean the shower, your new wife needs a shower." It was also one of the few episodes at the end where the families were grateful for the experiment and wanted to learn from each other.
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61. "RE: Wife Swap 11/17/04" |
Wow, I can't believe people are still talking about this show days later. I've still been thinking about it, too. Here is my take:(1) Dawn is a pathetic loser who is stuck in a medieval time warp. Under the delusion that the "Christian way" is one where the wife is submissive to the husband, she is devoid of self respect, has clearly never been educated, and is dangerously raising her children to think and act in ways that perpetuate the debasement of women in society. Her order to Hallmark to burn his resumes illustrates the fact that she is ultra-dogmatic and unyielding in her views, has lost the ability to dream, and relishes and embraces a life of mediocrity. (2) Jimmy is a person of limited intellect who was undoubtedly raised in the lifestyle he is currently living in. His prognosis for normalcy is poor. Sure, he shed a tear or too and claims to have seen the error of his unappreciative ways. I, for one am not buying it. Now that he's willing to pick up a dish every now and again he's seen as rehabilitated. When he brings his wife flowers, we're supposed to applaud him for his newfound sensitivity. The truth is, its all smoke and mirrors. Once a redneck, always a redneck. Let's visit them in a few weeks and see how much has really changed. (3) Kym is a smart woman who has clearly provoked the ire of the majority of the people on this board. In my opinion, her aggressive behaviour is merely a reaction to her outrage at the backward lifestyle she witnessed in the Oklahoma house. It is disturbing to me that so many people are threatened by her yet feal no disgust whatsover towards Dawn, her polar opposite. (4) Hallmark is a individualist who is does not feel pressured by society to follow traditional gender roles. He enjoys being a househusband and he does it well. Some of the members of this board are outraged that he does not work outside the home. These members appear to wholeheartedly embrace Dawn's viewpoint that it is the man's job to bring in the income and that his job as a househusband is unseemly. Despite the fact that Kym is the breadwinner, they seem to feel that there is something inherently wrong with a man who does housework. What my experience on this board has taught me is that while I thought women have come a long way towards equality in society, there has apparently been a major shift in the paradigm. It appears there are large pockets of people who still believe in traditional gender roles and are outraged and threatened by those who follow an unorthodox path. I suppose, in retrospect, I am not at all surprised that the election went the way it did. Unbeknownst to a lot of us "Liberals", the evangelical, traditional, religious right has been quietly procreating and growing in numbers over the past few decades. Sadly, myself and my colleagues on the Left have our work cut out for us in 2008.
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11-20-04, 09:18 AM (EST)
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62. "I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
I am going to copy/paste to keep from going back and forth!Dawn is a pathetic loser who is stuck in a medieval time warp. Under the delusion that the "Christian way" is one where the wife is submissive to the husband, she is devoid of self respect, has clearly never been educated, and is dangerously raising her children to think and act in ways that perpetuate the debasement of women in society. How do you know that Dawn is uneducated? We don't know that. What we do know is that Dawn works an 8 hour job and does EVERYTHING around the house and raise the kids! She is the family the kids know. I think she has plenty of self respect...that is why she does the job/work she does. I don't think her raising her children in the manner she is raising them is dangerous! WTF? I don't see where your coming from with this one! Jimmy is a person of limited intellect who was undoubtedly raised in the lifestyle he is currently living in. His prognosis for normalcy is poor. Again, why call Jimmy a person of limited intellect? This family is trying to raise a family by hard work! Of course Jimmy is living the lifestyle he was raised...who isn't? I am sorry but there are many families in this country that live the way Jimmy and Dawn are living...do I agree with it? No, but there are far worse ways for children to be raised! Kym is a smart woman who has clearly provoked the ire of the majority of the people on this board. In my opinion, her aggressive behaviour is merely a reaction to her outrage at the backward lifestyle she witnessed in the Oklahoma house. It is disturbing to me that so many people are threatened by her yet feal no disgust whatsover towards Dawn, her polar opposite. Her behaviour had nothing to do with her outrage at the lifestyle of Jimmy and Dawn. She clearly stated BEFORE she left for her visit that she wore the pants/slacks in her family and that she was the bread winner. Kym is a manipulating witch! I am not threatened by her at all! I don't think Kym is the professional the show led us to believe. Kym is the sales manager at HER DAD'S car lot! She didn't earn the position...she was given it! Also, Kym manages people by forcing them to do things as she did Hallmark. That is not a successful way of managing people. When a manager treats their employees this way it causes the employees to feel contempt and hate towards their employer! A successful manager HAS to create an environment that encourages and motivates their employees...none of which Kym does. However you are right when you say that Dawn and Kym are polar opposite! Hallmark is a individualist who is does not feel pressured by society to follow traditional gender roles. He enjoys being a househusband and he does it well. Some of the members of this board are outraged that he does not work outside the home. These members appear to wholeheartedly embrace Dawn's viewpoint that it is the man's job to bring in the income and that his job as a househusband is unseemly. Despite the fact that Kym is the breadwinner, they seem to feel that there is something inherently wrong with a man who does housework. I don't have a problem with someone following untraditional gender roles. I have no problem with Hallmark doing the housework and being a stay at home dad. I do have a problem with someone that says that they have a dream and that is all they have going for them. Someone else said earlier that they had a dream of winning the lotter but will not stop working until they hit the lottery. That best describes how I feel! You say Hallmark enjoys being a househusband...but yet when they did the follow-up at the end of the show Hallmark had a job? Wonder why? Tells me he wasn't as happy as you think he was! There is/was a huge difference in Hallmark and Dawn. Dawn had another job other than housewife! Dawn was working her arse off! It appears there are large pockets of people who still believe in traditional gender roles and are outraged and threatened by those who follow an unorthodox path. Be careful making statements like this because if you get to know most people on this board...that is not as accurate as you think! 
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11-20-04, 12:22 PM (EST)
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63. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
"How do you know that Dawn is uneducated?"Quite frankly, anyone in the 21st century who believes a wife should be submissive to her husband, and is willing to take her place "behind the dog" (in her words) has not spent a lot of time either in the classroom or elsewhere in a quest for knowledge. The same can be said for Jimmy. THESE ARE BACKWATER REDNECK VIEWS AND HAVE NO PLACE IN MODERN DAY SOCIETY. "I think she has plenty of self-respect" Again, willingly takes her place behind the dog. Allows her husband to boss her around. Never speaks up for herself. Believes the man is the head of the house. Yeah, right, self-respect. "I don't think raising her children in the manner she is raising them is dangerous." I think telling your children that mom is inferior to dad, belongs in the house, and is behind the dog....I think that's dangerous to tell a child. If you don't know why...well, I don't really have time to go into it right now. About Kym..."She clearly stated BEFORE she left for her visit that she wore the pants/slacks in her family and that she was the bread winner. Kym is a manipulating witch!" But I guess its OK for Jimmy to say the exact same thing. Where's the outrage against him? You seem to accept the same behaviour by him because he's a man. "Be careful making statements like this because if you get to know most people on this board...that is not as accurate as you think!" Those that responded to the 11/17 Wife Swap Thread seemed to overwelmingly support Dawn's decision to take the submissive role, were outraged by Kim's "wearing the pants in the family" and thought Hallmark was a wimp because he was a househusband. I stand by my assumption.
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11-20-04, 05:01 PM (EST)
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64. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
THESE ARE BACKWATER REDNECK VIEWS AND HAVE NO PLACE IN MODERN DAY SOCIETY.Well, you better get kicking if you want to educate all rednecks because there are many in this country! You might want to start in east Tennessee first! I don't think Jimmy and Dawn are telling their children that women are inferior to men! I think they are telling their children that there are traditional families. To say that rednecks have no place in society is a bit harsh! IMHO! We can always agree to disagree! I don't believe Jimmy is right in the way he acts because he is a man...that's obsurd! I have not said Jimmy was right about anything he did! I don't agree with his mindset actually! were outraged by Kim's "wearing the pants in the family" and thought Hallmark was a wimp because he was a househusband. I an not outraged about any of this! However, I do by stand my original statement that Hallmark is wuss! HE IS! I am not outraged by Kym being the bread winner...good for her! What I don't like is the way I think she treats Hallmark and his inability to say anything back to her! I think Hallmark was a stay at home dad because Kym said so! Kym comes across as a person that thinks she has all the answers and everyone else is stupid! I think Hallmark bought into this! Also, I think the time he had away from her helped him see that he can work and that is why he got a job after the experience! So, the reason I see Kym and Jimmy differently is that Kym was holding Hallmark back! Jimmy didn't care what the hell Dawn did as long as she had dinner ready for him when he got home from work! I actually think both mindsets of Kym and Jimmy are somewhat f*ed up!
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65. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
>THESE ARE BACKWATER REDNECK VIEWS AND
>HAVE NO PLACE IN MODERN
>DAY SOCIETY.
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>Well, you better get kicking if
>you want to educate all
>rednecks because there are many
>in this country! You might
>want to start in east
>Tennessee first! I don't think
>Jimmy and Dawn are telling
>their children that women are
>inferior to men! I think
>they are telling their children
>that there are traditional families.
>To say that rednecks have
>no place in society is
>a bit harsh! IMHO!
>My definition of a redneck is a person who holds backward, outdated views that are steeped in ignorance. A person who believes a woman must be submissive to her husband and by her own statement, comes behind the dog in the pecking order is, by my estimation, backward and ignorant. I owe no apologies to the rednecks of the world. If that's what they believe, they have no place in society. "Traditional family" is a euphemistic term that tries to excuse a multitude of sins. Slavery was a tradition too, for centuries. And it was evil and wrong. So is the belief system that a woman's place is in the home and only in the home, which Jimmy clearly believes and demands. Any belief system that tries to repress another individual by either the color of their skin or their gender or their class, etc. is, in my opinion evil and wrong. I frankly don't understand how anyone can disagree with that.
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11-20-04, 07:58 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
"Traditional family" is a euphemistic term that tries to excuse a multitude of sins.This is your viewpoints and not everyone's! My parents are not uneducated nor are they ignorant but they hold the definition of a traditional family as being one that has a mother and father. My mother considers herself an equal in a marriage that has spanned almost 50 years and my father sees her as such as well. My dad never told my mother she had to be a stay at home mom...she took the role as her job and she wanted to stay at home! My dad NEVER told my mother what to do nor would my mother have ever put up with that! I was raised in that atmosphere and am very close to my family. It took my dad a few years to grasp the fact that I am gay. They realize that I am not going to ever have what they determine a traditional family. That upset them at first but that is one of the phases that families go through when someone is gay. Now, the scenario you lay out before me is totally different than the one I laid out to you. The views that I have mentioned are the ones that I consider a traditional family! IMHO...your last paragraph is far from what I see as a traditional family it isn't even funny! My mother was never repressed and never felt used. It was much the opposite...very loving, caring and close knit! For you to see a traditional family as equal to slavery is unbelievable to me! I don't know if Dawn chose to be a stay at home mom or if she was told to be one! However, I do know many women that have chosen to be a stay at home mom and don't consider it slavery! Just because a woman wants to do this doesn't mean that she is uneducated, ignorant nor a redneck. Maybe I missed something in all this but I have never used such harsh judgements like this. I never asked for your apology. I just made a statement that to say a group of people doesn't belong in society is harsh and I still believe that.
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11-20-04, 08:09 PM (EST)
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67. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
I think you have completely misunderstood me. You have described your family as a traditional one where your mother and father were considered equals and she stayed at home because it was her choice. That's great, I am not criticizing that! But the description you gave of your family has absolutely no similarity to Jimmy and Dawn. Dawn made it very clear that she was subservient to Jimmy, did whatever he told her to, and again, was "behind the dog." Yet she described this as a "traditional Christian family." THAT is what I object to, not what you have described. I am not calling you a redneck or your family rednecks. But I WILL call anyone who believes in the inequality of men and women that name and much worse!
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11-20-04, 09:41 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: Definitions of Roles" |
There is no question here that "redneck" implies a stereotype of somewhere between ignorant hillbilly and KKK member. But in some subcultures its embraced... such as the comic Jeff Foxworthy and even Gretchen Wilson's hit "Redneck Woman" who use the term as one of endearment.. seemingly re-defining how others and they themselves identify with the term.That idea that JimmyJoeBobRedneck was in fact not necessarily a redneck but a chauvinist. One doesn't need to be a redneck to be that. He has clear cut values and images that he has decided and determined how he and his family fit into in society. His wife called them "christian" values.. when in reality they were simply what we consider old fashioned or archaic. But if she was less subjugated and marginalized by Jimmy and more of a Martha Stewart/Donna Reed housewife we would simply refer to her as traditional and avoid both religious and negative labeling. On the other hand Hallmark-the-card was as marginalized. He simply denied it by living the illusion that somehow by living in the burbs of Dallas and being the house husband/actor wannabee he wasn't less of a man, just a different "kind" of man who was waiting for his dream to come to him instead of pursuing his dream. And Miss Kym did nothing to dispel it or help him in any way in fact she preferred it because it met her needs in the same way Mrs. Jimmy met Jimmy's. The manner was different but the result the same. Jimmy needed an a@@ kicking and so did Hallmark-the-card. But they needed different kinds and both respectively worked. Mrs. Jimmy and Miss Kim also needed to learn some communication skills in order to be more effective and better spouses. No one set of values, no one type of bandage would of worked. Fundamentally their views and morals are not going to change after two weeks.. that takes time and a desire. The long term is what matters. Hallmark isn't less of a man if he CHOOSES to stay home, just like Mrs. Jimmy isn't less of a woman. She just needs to also understand that it doesn't make you less of a woman to ask for help and not pretend problems don't exist when they do. She also needed to learn that man aren't men by simply doing back breaking work and women aren't less of a woman should they choose to do in fact back breaking work. Hers is not a problem of a lack of education its a lack of experience, exposure and sophistication. Getting out of her town was good but unless she was willing to see how other people live and accept the differences it was all for naught. Saying that we have "teaching" to do isn't that easy. We also have some "learning" to do in order to more effectively communicate.
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72. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
What I meant to say is I would not casually call a friend or family member a redneck because to me the term redneck is an insult and means more than a person living in a certain geographical area. It implies a mindset that I find abhorrent. I stand by my opinion that Dawn and Jimmy's views have no place in modern day society. They believe in the INEQUALITY of men and women. I don't need any further excuses like, oh that's their opinion, they have the right to live their life as they choose, etc, to each his own, yada yada. BULLXXXX. What if they were saying the same things about African American people? The white man is the boss, the black man follows orders, the black man is behind the dog, etc. Would we sit there and say well, that's just a traditional viewpoint and they have the right to that? NO!! We'd be outraged and call them racist!!! So why do they get a pass because they're only devalueing women rather than a different race? It seems to me that this country obviously still needs an Equal Rights Amendment, because large pockets of society seem to think that the subjugation of women is perfectly fine, its just a "traditonal Christian" choice.
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11-21-04, 04:45 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
I for one have been looked at more than once as not being as good as another male because I am gay. Some people think that I am not a "real" man because I sleep with the same sex. Do I like it? NO! Is it right? NO! Is it allowed? YES! There is no law against having attitudes about things. I know that I can't change everyone's mind about me...but if people take the time to get to know me, they realize that I am just like anyone! If someone is uncomortable around gay people, I can normally make them feel comfortable around me. I take pride in that and it makes me glad that I can let them see how I live my life! This to me, is far more important than just saying someone has no place in society! However, they do HAVE the right to hold those feelings and as long as they live in the United States they have the freedom to do so! Just like you have the right to tell me that these people have no place in society...a man has the right to say that a woman's place is "behind the dog"! I can't believe you don't see this! If you have the right to have certain mindsets and values...others have the same right to disagree with you! PERIOD! I don't agree with someone being a racist but people have the right to do so! I am so glad that we have all these different opinions and ideas because that is what makes us so unique! I am not giving anyone a free pass! I have told you, I don't agree with Jimmy and Dawn and how they live their life! Here is how I see what happened with Jimmy and Dawn...I think that Dawn is comfortable in her relationship with her husband. She doesn't want out (I know, you think it is wrong)! She seemed to really miss them while she was gone and seemed very excited to get home. Just because you wouldn't live in that type of relationship doesn't mean that someone else won't! This is the difference in my eyes with what happened on this show...Dawn went back and seemed to be happy! Hallmark went back and got a job...which tells me he wasn't happy with the way things were because he did something about it!
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11-22-04, 10:38 AM (EST)
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78. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
Whoa! How can you say that Dawn is comfortable in her relationship with her husband or suggest that she was happy with the way things were. Even she admitted she needed to learn how to challenge her husband (and didn't she say something about him frequently berating her?), just as Hallmark said he needed to assert himself with Kym. That you would pick up on one and not the other says a lot.
Dawn's workload was unsustainable and I'm guessing that she was close to a breakdown. That she was incapable of asserting herself should not be construed as satisfaction with the situation.
As for you using your parents as a good example of a traditional family, that seems a little presumptuous. You do not know, truly, how your mother feels about her role, and I say this because most parents would not discuss intimate details of a spousal relationship with their children (and I'm not talking about sex here, rather the thousands of little decisions, compromises, negotiations, sacrifices, in a marriage). Have you really sat down with your mother and found out what her dreams and ideals are? And would most mothers lay it all bare to their kids?
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11-22-04, 10:10 AM (EST)
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77. "RE: I am a liberal and couldn't disagree with you more!" |
Describing Jimmy and Dawn as a traditional family is inaccurate. Using their own standards, where a man is the breadwinner and the woman does, well, everything else, especially the unpleasant stuff, Jimmy falls short. Doormat Dawn is also working full-time at a paid job. If Jimmy "allows" his wife to work, he is not living up to his responsibilities. What gall to refuse to do housework when you can't even hold up your end.
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A J Slice original (c)2004 
I have many friends and family members that I think are rednecks but they don't treet each other the way Jimmy treeted Dawn or the way Kym treeted Hallmark!