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"Historical Mistake"
silentJ 336 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host"
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04-23-04, 03:27 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Historical Mistake" |
And how many drowned as a result of the hangings?
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-23-04, 10:49 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Historical Mistake" |
Mr.Fleas watched for the first time last night. He asked if I was getting online after Survivor and I explained I had a new vice, MMH and needed to watch that first. I explained the premise and he said he'd give it a whirl. After the previews and the first segment, he just looked at me, laughed and said "Damn, I love America!". "This is stupid, inane, ridiculous, wierd and just plain dumb...I love it!" The trial came up and after the first hanging he again looked at me and said..."That's it? That's the hanging? Pfft...not interested anymore." I think it was the "drama" that Fiona tried to put into it and failed at doing. Also, while it was cool the way they did it, there really wasn't any "fear" that would be involved, other than losing privileges. They knew they weren't going to be hurt so the "hanging" was kind of lame, IMO. As far as the historical significance, I'd have rather Fiona chose something other than Salem. The Salem witch trials were towards the end of the burning times. Men (though only about 25% were men), women and children were executed starting as early as the 12th century all over Eurpoe. There were relatively few executions or accusations for that matter here in the colonies. Besides, the people hung in Salem were most likely NOT witches anyway. Give a Puritan a cow that dies and someone, somewhere is gonna cry witch! (and actually Gaelraven, Fiona was correct, 19 were hung. 1 was pressed to death, quite a few more died in prison. Source: List of names), as well as from the link you used in your post #2 Salem Witch Trials. Not that I believe anything that Fiona says cuz frankly she's about as intuitive as a rock, but gotta give the research team credit for at least giving her the right information. Also, what the heck is up with Ta'Shai NOT asking people about the mindset before just jumping to conclusions. Jamie is helping clean the bathroom because she thought Ta'Shai looked tired and needed rest so didn't want to disturb her. So, as opposed to just asking Jamie why she didn't join her in the bedroom, Ta'Shai just "assumes" it's because Jamie doesn't want to get to know her and gives her a necklace. Sorry but that didn't make me feel good about Ta'Shai. Especially in light of her not talking to Noel about stuff either. I gave her Noel, but the Jamie thing, that showed that she's more willing to listen to her own counsel than give people a chance to explain. Not too enlightened in my book. --won't even mention Fiona and the flower/note fiasco
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-23-04, 12:20 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Historical Mistake" |
Okay, I don't mean to be pissy here, but according to the site that you yourself listed in your post #2 Salem Witch Trials, they have listed 19 people hanged. The site I listed in my post #5 List of Names lists 19 people hanged. Then you said "Well acording to the many museums in Salem"...18 people hanged, Corey Giles pressed to death. So, with the thought that perhaps the Salem museums may be listing it differently I went to several Salem museum websites. The first one:The Salem Witch Museum it lists 19 people hanged. Then the Witch History Museum lists 19 hanged "one old man crushed to death. (though it's not a great site and it's hard to read, yet it is written there). Then there's the Witch Dungeon Museum listing 19 hanged, 1 pressed to death.What I'm getting at is while it seems a silly point, to press that it was indeed 19 people hanged, I think it's number one, important to make sure everyone that died is honored and number two, give credit where credit is due, that Fiona (or her research team) was correct.
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AZ_Leo 3526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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04-23-04, 12:42 PM (EST)
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8. "Total of 19 executed, including 1 pressed." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-23-04 AT 01:02 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 04-23-04 AT 12:54 PM (EST) Here's an edu site that includes original source material. It lists 19 people executed, one of whom was Giles Cory who was crushed to death. In addition, it lists 5 having died in jail, 1 an infant girl. This site has a lot of interesting source material http://etext.virginia.edu/salem/witchcraft/ I few other details I remember from when I studied this in school: It actually took place in Salem Village which is now called Danvers. There was a great deal of tension between Salem Village and Salem Town and if you look at the location of the accusers and accused you see that one set came primarily from the town or had links to the town and the others came from the village (I'm not 100% sure but I think accusers were villagers trying to keep their way of life and accused were town trying to be more progressive). A few decades later, a group of youngsters exhibited very similar symptoms but the mood of the country had changed and it was interpreted as being touched by god not the devil. eta: OOPS. According to the memorial site, there are 20 memorials so it does seem to be 19 hanged and 1 pressed. http://www.salemweb.com/memorial/stonesintro.shtml Also, here is a site with a lot of non-tourist links for further research. http://www.17thc.us/index.php?id=12 ETA: another page of links http://womenshistory.about.com/cs/salempeople/
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I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-23-04, 01:05 PM (EST)
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10. "Fiona's Flower" |
May have been the most hysterically funny segment of this show!
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-23-04, 01:20 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Fiona's Flower" |
Totally agree HE. Man, Fiona made an ass out of herself. Then she took it out on Loana. Talk about anger displacement!I'd think that Eric not piping up and saying that it was him would have raised Fiona's ire more than the fact that Loana didn't give it to her. I mean, he's the one that let her just go on and on about Loana giving her the flower. He could have said something at anytime but didn't. They're all losing face in my book. Except Art. I really like art. --wouldn't want him hanging on her walls though
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21. "RE: Fiona's Flower" |
I'm originally Scottish, so nobody, heh. Wee bit draughty i'd think. Anywho, I digress...
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