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"What a painful episode to watch"
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05-30-06, 01:30 AM (EST)
 
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"What a painful episode to watch" |
How much more blatantly obvious can they make it that Lee is bound to fail?
1. Lenny.
2. Listening to Lenny (Pepi who?).
3. Such extreme and blatant lack of confidence (keep in mind, no editing this time!) expressed by the major sponsor of the event.
4. Lenny.It's a shame. I was almost rooting for Lee, hoping that despite his young age and relative inexperience, he would shine through and prove the skeptics wrong. But even by trying to portray Sean as a love-sick puppy and now having Andrea coughing up blood (which may just be coughing up swallowed blood from a nosebleed, I hope) and out of action at the moment, Sean still has more on the ball than Lee will ever have by the next episode. Pity. Lee should have gone with Charmaine and Michael, at the very least. We all know who is going to win, but I suppose we will all tune in next week to see how badly Lee crashes and burns, won't we? Pepi - what the heck?
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05-30-06, 02:12 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: What a painful episode to watch/Only painful because Lee should win!" |
Thankfully we love Lee and want him to win in Canada.
Who the heck would vote for some English Lovesick model wannabe? Sean is useless. Lee is an extremely intelligent but young. He needs Lenny and Pepi and Roxanne to take that Dragon Liz from the firefighters and put her in her place. She is just jealous she is not doing the event. She dared to tell Lee she has done it for five years and thinks he is not handling it well but she gives no support or ideas on what the hell she wants. Lee had good ideas. She was wrong to put them down. Obviously the date auction was a good idea and of course it would be with single firefighters not the married ones...what type of brain does this woman have?? To compound this Lee also gets those car people who again were unbelievable. Lee asked them to match the contributions but that bald dude's eyes almost feel out of his head! Then later that broad from one of the car places had the nerve to say Lee missed an opportunity there...he saw that bald dude almost explode was she blind??? so instead Lee asked for both cars. He was not stupid to assume they would give him matching funds with such a crazy reaction from the bald dude.They were useless in offering what they could bring to the table themselves. Seriously if they were willing to match funds they should have said so did they totally lose sight that this is a charity??? Not some ego contest...I know that Liz has. Sean is despicable...letting an employee wander off who is bleeding from her nose and coughing up blood she could have an ulcer..she could die ffs what is he thinking! Oh right he doesn't think past himself and who he wants to do. I have no love for Andrea as you know, I think her the most useless of them all, all skin and bones and mouth, but I wish no one ill and would have taken care of her, because thats what you do as a boss as a human being! Sean is completely unworthy of being anyones boss...all he could think to do was hug and kiss her??? GOOD GOD what a loser, and his love interest Tammy is absolutely appalling to calming sit at her keyboard and make Andrea a map so she can do some shopping since she will be out is just incredibly stupid...she isnt 'out' Tammy you dummy, she is sick and you should call 911. She sits there like some queen because some english nutcase likes her ...appalling the pair of them. (I guess that means they are totally suited!) If Donald hires these idiots I have lost all respect for his ability to even know a good employee if it sat on him. Speaking of who he hires... Carolyn is completely ignorant this whole show. She is so rude as to ask who Pepi is???...well Carolyn he happens to be the only one who as project manager saw how hard his team worked and said to Donald I can't in good conscience pick one out anyone for firing and took the fall for the team...
Carolyn he is an honourable character no wonder you didnt recognize him!!!Nor you Donald. This season Carolyn has constantly shown how ignorant she is especially to Lee lately, and many others like when she questioned Lenny about them having keyboards and werent they expensive when the other team had a big screen tv...is she daft??? She has said so many stupid things it amazes me she holds such a position...and I fail to see why she is even on this show being that stupid...and why is poor Lee is saddled with her and that dragon Liz and two obviously incompetent car dealers who are all suppose to be working for a charity not some ego contest! Hello people its for a charity not about you and how to make a young man feel overwhelmed!! My hope is that Lee, Lenny, Pepi and Roxanne will absolutely astonish them all, as they are good workers and dedicated to their leader!!! They need to pick up their game and to focus on what they can do and do it well. They also need to forget about support from those who have lost sight of the purpose of the event.
Go Lee go show those idiots how smart you are...Lenny Pepi Roxanne get in there and help already as you are the better team by far...actually might be better if you don't work for this pack of idiots Lee, but I always cheer for the best one and Lee is the best of the two.
Canada picked Lee to win. Yayyyyyyyyyyyy I hope he does. Casandra
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05-31-06, 02:02 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: What a painful episode to watch/Only painful because Lee should win!" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-31-06 AT 02:03 AM (EST)>Thankfully we love Lee and want
him to win in Canada.> Are you speaking for the whole country? >Sean is despicable...letting an employee wander off who is bleeding from her nose and coughing up blood she could have an
ulcer..she could die ffs what is he thinking! ....she isnt 'out' Tammy you dummy, she is sick and you should call 911.> I've been an RN for nearly twenty years, and worked as a telephone triage nurse ("Ask-A-Nurse") for three of them. From what we were able to see, Andrea's symptoms were not in any way "emergent" and she didn't need to call 911. Our protocols would have more than likely recommended (after asking a series of questions that of course could have made us recommend differently depending on what she said) she see a doctor in the next few hours if things didn't change. She did exactly the right thing, and so did Sean. She was clearly scared, and what he was trying to do was provide reassurance, support and comfort. However, she was also walking around, the bleeding didn't appear out of control (from what we could see) and she didn't seem to have any other extreme physical problems at the moment. That aside, we in the viewing audience may not think of it, but there were a ton of "production people" around from the Apprentice who could see that she was treated. As well, the Taj Majal very likely had a doctor she could see right away. So Sean in no way needed to drop everything to call 911 or escort her to the doctor.
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05-31-06, 03:22 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: What a painful episode to watch/Only painful because Lee should win!" |
Casandra doesn't speak for all Canadians. I am also a Canadian, and I don't beleive that Lee is the Best for the Apprentice position. I don't accept the fact that he bypassed two tasks due to religious holidays. It shows lack of respect for the interview process, his TEAM and for the job that he is seeking. It also shows his lack of life experience. We have many jobs in our society that requires that we must put our religous obligations aside for a short while for the greater good. Example: police, firefighters, military, hospital, taxi drivers, corner stores and many more positions.
He was not ready when he went in the meetings, didn't have a plan or an idea how to proceed. He did not pick his TEAM, Lenny did (bad idea). Again it shows Lee's inexperience.
I was a bit concerned when Andrea was bleeding however, she was able to reasoned and talked to her TEAM which I beleived respected and supported her decision to go to see a doctor by herself.I beleived and want Sean to be the next Apprentice.
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06-01-06, 02:25 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: What a painful episode to watch/Only painful because Lee should win!" |
I totally agree with everything you say. Especially the part about Carolyn, Dragon Liz, and the Pontiac people. Donald Trump is too concerned about himself to see anything else. He is such a hypocrite. He fired both Allie and Roxanne (not that I really care) because they attacked each other. But he would have fired them both if they didn't say anything bad about each other. They couldn't have won either way. Instead of admitting he didn't like either one, he used that pathetic excuse. Who is he fooling????
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06-01-06, 02:28 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: also MICHAEL OMG NOOOOOOOO!!!" |
Michael was lucky he got as far as he did. He should have been fired much earlier. But he was lucky someone screwed up more than he did! Says a lot about them! Where do they get these people???
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05-30-06, 09:37 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: What a painful episode to watch" |
Random ThoughtsIsn't this season 5? How many project managers on the final task have failed? ZERO. Sean needs to cool it a little with Tammy. You don't appear to be love bugs in the presence of clients. Pepi, I thought it was funny with all the Pepi jokes. But Lee's choice of Pepi is not necessarily bad because he was the second person eliminated. BUT......Pepi did nothing on last nights episode to save face. Did he say one word???? Still get the impression Pepi may be the one that saves Lee......maybe hopeful wishes. I enjoyed how Trump had the candidates pick the teams. Interesting that the voting public said Lee picked a better them that Sean. At least Sean's team had some people that did something in the game. Both picked people that they thought would work hard for them....so I can not fault either person. THough, it seemed that Sean was more on the ball and had his team picked long before Lee even thought about picking his team. Funny how Lee picked Roxanne even though Lenny did not endorse the pick. Seemed like an ok pick to me, although Roxanne did not work with lee at all during the game, but Lee was on the losing team most of the show....needed a winner. Pepi and lenny had horrible track records. Will Sean replace Andrea with someone else? He should. Next weeks episode 1 and a half hours?
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05-30-06, 11:57 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: What a painful episode to watch" |
I'm most definitely rooting for Lee. In all seriousness, this is what the "Apprentice" SHOULD be about -- someone young, just starting out, who would benefit from an "apprenticeship" -- though I still say nothing good can be learned from the likes of Trump.Anyway, I knew Lee was going to his man Lenny first -- Lee and Lenny had a serious bond. And for as much as Lenny has the language barrier thing and he really says exactly what is on his mind (which I find hilarious & I like since you know right where he's coming from) Lenny's 2 biggest assets to Lee are (1) his extreme loyalty to Lee and (2) Lenny is hard-working. Lenny will do anything Lee wants and will do anything to help Lee win. Maybe Lenny had something to do with Andrea's little health issue (haha--I'm JOKING). I also don't have any issue with Pepi returning after being fired in the 2nd ep. First of all, Trump fired a few really good prospects in the beginning for moronic reasons -- like Bryce and Dan. I also believe that Lenny must have gotten to know Pepi after they were fired and before everyone was called back for the final task. So, while we know very little about Pepi, it doesn't mean that Lenny or anyone on the show doesn't know much about him. Roxanne was decent throughout -- not the strongest, but not the weakest, by far. Also, Roxanne has the ability to take direction from the project manager, whereas many of the others who were fired don't take orders well and just create drama and chaos. I'm hoping the editing is trying to fool us about Lee & his team. First, other than his problems with that miserable woman from the Leary Foundation, not a lot is being shown of "Gold Rush" more was shown of Sean's "Dream Team" and Sean's pathetic drooling over Tammy. Sean started the show strong and then just turned into a caricature of himself -- first he was the meat to Roxanne & Ali's sandwich -- then he turned his sights on Tammy and received Ali's wrath. His confessionals are a joke -- he's either spazzing out, making some lame quip or talking about the many, many babies he wants to make with Tammy. Unfortunately, he lost my respect. Nice guy, but he's like Pepe le Pew bouncing after Tammy. Oh and back to that nasty woman from the Leary Foundation. She really got under my skin fast. Shooting down all Gold Rush's ideas, because "over the years they are offered so much more"? She actually made me UNsympathetic to the charity. She makes it sound like over the last 5 years or so they are offered such remarkable, astounding things then why do they need any more money?? (I'm not saying the firefighter's don't deserve the money, it's just the way she puffed herself up and put down Lee and the others' ideas as pathetic.) What does she expect Lee to do, get on the phone and call the president or some big movie star and have them show up in 1-2 days notice? Or call Bill Gates and ask him for a million dollars? I'm just not sure how much can be done by "reality TV DAWs." Hopefully, Lee can pull this off. I'm still rooting for him -- he definitely seems to have the tougher of the two tasks. Maybe he should take Lenny up on the "Burying people 20 feet under" and send Lenny to dispose of the Leary beeyotch. 
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05-30-06, 03:41 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: What a painful episode to watch" |
Wow! Did we watch the same show? What you saw is not at all what I saw.First, let me say that this is the first time I've watched since about week 4. So I think I might be pretty unbiased about both candidates. I have no stake at all in either. I don't remember Pepi at all, so I was totally with the Donald and Carolyn when they joked about not even knowing who he was. But, from what I saw, he is no asset. Did he even open his mouth the whole episode? Or do anything? Not that I could see. And Lee letting Lenny vet all his picks? Lenny, from what I remember, was not someone I would have ever hired or listened to as he seemed much too headstrong and set in his own opinions to be objective about anything. Not to mention how difficult he was to manage. But perhaps I missed something after week 4 that redeemed him? But I don't think so. Loyalty means nothing if he can't be managed and Lee wasn't managing him so much as he was managing Lee. I won't comment on Roxanne at all because I have no idea who she is or how she worked. I do know that Sean picked a team that, with the exception of Tammy who I don't remember, was filled with individuals who I had thought were the standouts in the episodes I watched. Andrea and Tarek are very bright and seem to work hard and well. There's some ego there, but what I remember about Sean was that he had an easy going and engaging personality that masked his, to me, impressive ability to create consensus on getting the job done. Because of that, I think he would be able to manage the egos. I don't like how he seems to have let his attraction to Tammy distract him somewhat, but it's possible that he'll focus when needed. At the very least, Sean and his team did the advance planning that is a must for putting on an event like this. This is in complete contrast to Lee, who seemed to think there was no need for that because everything will either be spelled out by the clients or would just miraculously fall into place. As for the woman from the Denis Leary Foundation, she was absolutely in the right. She has produced a major fundraising event like this for the last 5 years. She obviously knows what it takes to get it done. Lee didn't have questions prepared for her, he didn't have suggestions ready for how the fund raising would be conducted, and had no Plan B ready when she shot his off-the-top-of-his-head ideas down. I'd have been furious also for his wasting my time and possibly ruining my event if I was in her place. And the woman from Pontiac was right to criticize him for not following up on the one good idea he had about matching funds. If he had just followed up with one single question about it, it sounded as if she would have agreed. He didn't and he lost out. Persistence is important in charity fund raising. You ask until they say yes or for you to get the hell out. And for those who think she was rude and that Denis Leary would be upset with her? Have you EVER seen Denis Leary? Are you familiar with his persona and material? I am and, believe me, I'm sure he's fine with her as is. You're talking about a man who has written songs with titles like "I'm an Azzhole" and "Fvck You." All of this is complete contrast to Sean's team's interactions with their client, the WWF, and the major sponsors. They made sure they understood the client and its work by asking questions and making suggestions that actually had something to do with the work of the organization. They also had a strategy with the sponsors and were ready to give them a walk-through of the site. Although Andrea's sickness throws a wrench in their well-oiled machine, I think their organizational skills may allow them to squeak through even if she cannot return. Lee's youth and total inexperience is pretty evident to me. He seems like a nice, bright young man who just is out of his depth. Based on what I saw last night, however, I wouldn't hire him for anything other than an entry level position. 
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05-30-06, 04:54 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: What a painful episode to watch" |
No one ever fails on the final task....some are better than others but I have yet to see anyone lay a stinker. Yes, i am sure that obstacles are planned. From the editing I would say Lee wins. I get his feeling that they wanted to make lee look bad and have the voted favor tilt towards Sean.....funny thing is seems like it did not work. Lee's team seemed to have worse teammates and yet the audience still said Lee had the better team.
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05-30-06, 06:33 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: What a painful episode to watch" |
I agree with you!
I think Lee's choice in team was smart. he picked people who were proven hard workers and loyal to him. we have all seen in past seasons that when the PM picks people who have egos and want their own ideas to be utilized it comes at the expense of the team (the PM), especially on the final task since they have nothing to lose. I think that Tarek, Andrea and Tami are talented but they are all opinionated and egotistical. Shawn had no way of knowing if they would really work hard for him, or try to upstage him (notice Tarik already making snide comments about Shawn being distracted by Tami, going to the caterer etc) Lenny is 100% a work horse and is extremely loyal to Lee. I think in tha final task- that is what you need more than people with their own flair and ideas b.c its the time for the PM to shine, the job of the others is ti take orders and work hard.
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05-30-06, 09:55 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: WARNING - freakusmaximus2" |
okay- what about the canadian? got the idea from that post since the 2 threads were very similar
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05-30-06, 05:10 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Assigned tasks favors Sean's Team" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-30-06 AT 06:18 PM (EST)Both teams were assigned like a fundraising type of task. While I don't know which would be easier raising money in, a concert or a hockey game, both assignments were both more marketing and sales based. Sean's team has a deeper pool of experience. Both Sean and Tarek have sales backgrounds. Andrea is more entreprenural. Tammy has managerial and media backgrounds and writes poetry (which clues in that she's more on the creative side. Lee's team isn't as well suited for their task, in my opinion. Lee's in Finance, and he's not as experienced yet. Pepe and Roxanne are both lawyers. And Lenny, he is an entrepreneur too, but he's into pharmaceuticals, and less saavy with the more entertainment / media / publicity type stuff. An important portion of the show this week centered on creativity: What are you going to do for a fundraiser? And how are you going to promote it? I don't think either team has creatives. Someone like comedian Robin Williams is creative (and weird) because you can't stop his ideas from bubbling out. Someone like Brent from earlier this season is just, well, weird. Sean's team did better because they had more experience in sales and marketing. Lee's seemed more like "fishes out of water". Lee's entire team is more analytical. Sean's is more touchy-feely-huggy. Lee's power seems to be at taking the ideas and efforts of others, and organizing it into the best way. Like the character *Pyro* from the X-Men, Lee can't create fire, he manipulates it. Perhaps what a more experienced Lee would have done, had Trump allowed it, would have been to ask a professional fundrasing expert to come in and give his team suggestions. It's not that Sean's team is "better" than Lee's; Lee's team is just different. If Donald Trump had instead for example, asked the two teams to develop a solid business plan to bring a multinational company like General Moters back into financial health - or to successfully open up a string of American fast food restaurants in China (International business is likely Lenny's strength) I think Lee's team might have had the upper hand for this first half. I am though critical of Lenny's idea of picking people because of loyalty instead of background or compatibility. Loyalty played a bigger role earlier in the show, when people were trying to win for themselves. In the real world, loyalty would be a factor too, especially in Eastern Europe where Lenny comes from. But in this final round, I think everyone's likely to try to do the best they can in front of national TV, unless there's still bad blood between some of them.
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05-31-06, 03:42 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Assigned tasks favors Sean's Team" |
I believe the audience vote with The Get Rich with Trump had to do with the East coast audience. Lee/Lenny are from there, so had a higher vote, while I think Sean has the West Coast.
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06-01-06, 02:15 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: What a painful episode to watch" |
Did you see Ali trying to compliment both Lee and Sean? She was so obvious. She didn't just come out and say that she wanted the job, It was "Lee, what a nice tie!" I so don't like her. Think she is just a ##### on wheels.
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