>Oh and back to that nasty
>woman from the Leary Foundation.
> She really got under
>my skin fast. Shooting
>down all Gold Rush's ideas,
>because "over the years they
>are offered so much more"?
> She actually made me
>UNsympathetic to the charity.

I agree with you about the dragon. An excellent final episode for this season would include Dennis Leary showing up to tell her she's fired.

Wow! Did we watch the same show? What you saw is not at all what I saw.

First, let me say that this is the first time I've watched since about week 4. So I think I might be pretty unbiased about both candidates. I have no stake at all in either.

I don't remember Pepi at all, so I was totally with the Donald and Carolyn when they joked about not even knowing who he was. But, from what I saw, he is no asset. Did he even open his mouth the whole episode? Or do anything? Not that I could see. And Lee letting Lenny vet all his picks? Lenny, from what I remember, was not someone I would have ever hired or listened to as he seemed much too headstrong and set in his own opinions to be objective about anything. Not to mention how difficult he was to manage. But perhaps I missed something after week 4 that redeemed him? But I don't think so. Loyalty means nothing if he can't be managed and Lee wasn't managing him so much as he was managing Lee. I won't comment on Roxanne at all because I have no idea who she is or how she worked.

I do know that Sean picked a team that, with the exception of Tammy who I don't remember, was filled with individuals who I had thought were the standouts in the episodes I watched. Andrea and Tarek are very bright and seem to work hard and well. There's some ego there, but what I remember about Sean was that he had an easy going and engaging personality that masked his, to me, impressive ability to create consensus on getting the job done. Because of that, I think he would be able to manage the egos. I don't like how he seems to have let his attraction to Tammy distract him somewhat, but it's possible that he'll focus when needed.

At the very least, Sean and his team did the advance planning that is a must for putting on an event like this. This is in complete contrast to Lee, who seemed to think there was no need for that because everything will either be spelled out by the clients or would just miraculously fall into place.

As for the woman from the Denis Leary Foundation, she was absolutely in the right. She has produced a major fundraising event like this for the last 5 years. She obviously knows what it takes to get it done. Lee didn't have questions prepared for her, he didn't have suggestions ready for how the fund raising would be conducted, and had no Plan B ready when she shot his off-the-top-of-his-head ideas down. I'd have been furious also for his wasting my time and possibly ruining my event if I was in her place. And the woman from Pontiac was right to criticize him for not following up on the one good idea he had about matching funds. If he had just followed up with one single question about it, it sounded as if she would have agreed. He didn't and he lost out. Persistence is important in charity fund raising. You ask until they say yes or for you to get the hell out. And for those who think she was rude and that Denis Leary would be upset with her? Have you EVER seen Denis Leary? Are you familiar with his persona and material? I am and, believe me, I'm sure he's fine with her as is. You're talking about a man who has written songs with titles like "I'm an Azzhole" and "Fvck You."

All of this is complete contrast to Sean's team's interactions with their client, the WWF, and the major sponsors. They made sure they understood the client and its work by asking questions and making suggestions that actually had something to do with the work of the organization. They also had a strategy with the sponsors and were ready to give them a walk-through of the site. Although Andrea's sickness throws a wrench in their well-oiled machine, I think their organizational skills may allow them to squeak through even if she cannot return.

Lee's youth and total inexperience is pretty evident to me. He seems like a nice, bright young man who just is out of his depth. Based on what I saw last night, however, I wouldn't hire him for anything other than an entry level position.

Goddess of the Steeler Nation

I think the Pontiac excs and that Lys person was intentially being hard on The Apprentices just to create drama.

From the looks of it, Lee is bound to fail, but that is most likely misdirection.

No one ever fails on the final task....some are better than others but I have yet to see anyone lay a stinker. Yes, i am sure that obstacles are planned. From the editing I would say Lee wins. I get his feeling that they wanted to make lee look bad and have the voted favor tilt towards Sean.....funny thing is seems like it did not work. Lee's team seemed to have worse teammates and yet the audience still said Lee had the better team.

I agree with you!
I think Lee's choice in team was smart. he picked people who were proven hard workers and loyal to him. we have all seen in past seasons that when the PM picks people who have egos and want their own ideas to be utilized it comes at the expense of the team (the PM), especially on the final task since they have nothing to lose. I think that Tarek, Andrea and Tami are talented but they are all opinionated and egotistical. Shawn had no way of knowing if they would really work hard for him, or try to upstage him (notice Tarik already making snide comments about Shawn being distracted by Tami, going to the caterer etc) Lenny is 100% a work horse and is extremely loyal to Lee. I think in tha final task- that is what you need more than people with their own flair and ideas b.c its the time for the PM to shine, the job of the others is ti take orders and work hard.

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okay- what about the canadian? got the idea from that post since the 2 threads were very similar

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Both teams were assigned like a fundraising type of task. While I don't know which would be easier raising money in, a concert or a hockey game, both assignments were both more marketing and sales based.

Sean's team has a deeper pool of experience. Both Sean and Tarek have sales backgrounds. Andrea is more entreprenural. Tammy has managerial and media backgrounds and writes poetry (which clues in that she's more on the creative side.

Lee's team isn't as well suited for their task, in my opinion. Lee's in Finance, and he's not as experienced yet. Pepe and Roxanne are both lawyers. And Lenny, he is an entrepreneur too, but he's into pharmaceuticals, and less saavy with the more entertainment / media / publicity type stuff.

An important portion of the show this week centered on creativity: What are you going to do for a fundraiser? And how are you going to promote it? I don't think either team has creatives. Someone like comedian Robin Williams is creative (and weird) because you can't stop his ideas from bubbling out. Someone like Brent from earlier this season is just, well, weird. Sean's team did better because they had more experience in sales and marketing. Lee's seemed more like "fishes out of water".

Lee's entire team is more analytical. Sean's is more touchy-feely-huggy. Lee's power seems to be at taking the ideas and efforts of others, and organizing it into the best way. Like the character *Pyro* from the X-Men, Lee can't create fire, he manipulates it. Perhaps what a more experienced Lee would have done, had Trump allowed it, would have been to ask a professional fundrasing expert to come in and give his team suggestions.

It's not that Sean's team is "better" than Lee's; Lee's team is just different. If Donald Trump had instead for example, asked the two teams to develop a solid business plan to bring a multinational company like General Moters back into financial health - or to successfully open up a string of American fast food restaurants in China (International business is likely Lenny's strength) I think Lee's team might have had the upper hand for this first half.

I am though critical of Lenny's idea of picking people because of loyalty instead of background or compatibility. Loyalty played a bigger role earlier in the show, when people were trying to win for themselves. In the real world, loyalty would be a factor too, especially in Eastern Europe where Lenny comes from. But in this final round, I think everyone's likely to try to do the best they can in front of national TV, unless there's still bad blood between some of them.

>But in this final round, I
>think everyone's likely to try
>to do the best they
>can in front of national
>TV, unless there's still bad
>blood between some of them.

Not. Remember Omarosa form season 1
she totally messed up Kwame and there
was no bad blood between them going into the
finale.

I totally want Lee to kick a$$.
Why did he let Lenny pick his team?
Sean your Tammy crush is going to
crush you? why would you go pick
out food with her? she is capable of
that all by herself. Sean is really
nuts about her, bringing her coffee
he knows he should focus though.
I was embarrassed for Brent. Caroline
was it necessary to LYAO at Pepi?
What's funny really funny is that none
of this season's candidates are memorable
save for Brent, Lenny, Tarek, Charmaine
Andrea and the two finalists.Has this ever
happened before?
I won't even start watching next season
that way I won't feel I have to watch the
finale.

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Why is everyone saying Lenny picked Lee's team? Lenny told Lee not to take Roxanne and Lee took her anyways. Maybe Lenny gave Lee the idea of Pepi but that was never shown in front of the camera. So who did Lenny pick? I think it is just being assumed that Lenny picked his team because Lee asked Lenny for his opinions of who to hire, doesn't mean he went with what Lenny told him...in fact Lee went against Lenny's advise. Lee was going to take Lenny for sure. He did not know who else he would take but knew his team had to work well together.....sometimes people get so manipulated but editing.

Also, from past experience on the show both Lee and Sean knew that loyalty is important. From past finale's there where people who did not give 100% because either they had ill feelings toward there project manager....or they just did not give a hoot anymore after they got eliminated. Lee and Sean wanted people they knew would give 100% for them. You saw who those people would be by having the interview process shown on the last show. Obvisiously both felt after the interview process these people would work their fannies off. I remember on the Martha Stewart Apprentice one person that wasn't going to do squat for the person (Bethanny?) she was hired for on the final task. Also, can not remember her name but the person (Tana?) that went up against Kendra had a team that did not like their project manager. It did not go well for her either. Omarossa is another good example as mentioned.

I believe the audience vote with The Get Rich with Trump had to do with the East coast audience. Lee/Lenny are from there, so had a higher vote, while I think Sean has the West Coast.

Did you see Ali trying to compliment both Lee and Sean? She was so obvious. She didn't just come out and say that she wanted the job, It was "Lee, what a nice tie!" I so don't like her. Think she is just a ##### on wheels.