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"Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!"
maryellennaco 1084 desperate attention whore postings
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1. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
Whoopsie, there she goes!!! All the DAW's seem to try to connect themselves to Starting Over while on e-bay. Just another lame attempt at staving off that 15 minutes of fame clock, IMHO.
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SneakingSallythrougtheAlley 31 desperate attention whore postings
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07-01-06, 01:18 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
A lot of people here said that but ebay is fun and I like seeing what she is doing after the show is over. She really does have artistic ability too. I don't mind even if it is an effort to extend that 15 minutes of fame. Why not? It seems harmless to me. I just like her too, so to me it is a good thing.
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maryellennaco 1084 desperate attention whore postings
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07-01-06, 09:06 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
Well, I must agree with Incognito.... We all have our own tastes as far as "art" goes, so she's at least doing something "original" and not just schlepping off craptastic stuff like some of the other houseguests.... JMHO.
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EMTBGRL 2513 desperate attention whore postings
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07-02-06, 12:04 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
>Well, I must agree with Incognito....
>We all have our own
>tastes as far as "art"
>goes, so she's at least
>doing something "original" and not
>just schlepping off craptastic stuff
>like some of the other
>houseguests.... JMHO. I also said that people are entitled to their own opinions of what they consider "art." I never begrudged that point. I'm with ya there. However, in terms of MY taste? I don't see Christina's "art" as any less "craptastic" than the other stuff that she or anyone else from SO is schlepping on e-bay. It looks less than amateurish to me. (And, yes, my background is in art.) If you like it, and want to buy it. That's good for both you and Christina. I, personally, wouldn't buy it. I don't think it's even close to "good." imho. I wish these ladies from SO would get a regular job to support themselves and go forth and try to make an artistic living. I am not saying she couldn't improve, but she's got a lot of work to do!
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JustBNMe 526 desperate attention whore postings
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07-02-06, 02:50 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
I don't find any talent in her "art" at all. Had to laugh that she had to explain the painting in the hopes someone would buy it. She has what appears to be her friends bidding on it and even outbidding themselves <idiots> in the hopes of running up the cost. I have never found her talented in anything that I have seen her try to do other than some of her attempts to be a scam artist. She needs to get her head out of her butt and get a real job and make something of herself. Her artistic <cough cough> abilities aren't going to get her anywhere in life. For those who like her "art" I am not insulting you I just don't see it as valuable or anything I would even put near our doghouse outside.
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SneakingSallythrougtheAlley 31 desperate attention whore postings
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07-02-06, 11:40 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
Everyone describes their item on Ebay. I think her latest painting is interesing and shows that she has talent. Artists develop over time and she is off to a great beginning. She is working and having a great time. She started over as far as I am concerned, even though I don't think the show helped her very much.
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EMTBGRL 2513 desperate attention whore postings
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07-03-06, 02:37 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
> I think her latest
>painting is interesing and shows
>that she has talent. Again, this is subjective. We disagree vehemently on this point. It shows me that Christina thinks that she is able to create art without any understanding of technique, perspective, composition or color. >Artists develop over time Yes, true. Christina is Nowhere NEAR selling her "art." Maybe with more time and a LOT more practice? -- and
>she is off to a
>great beginning. Hmmmm...A good measuring stick: If Christina's painting was not for sale on e-bay, but it was hanging with a price tag in a gallery, what would you pay for it? In your opinion, what would be charging too much for her painting? Since you like Christina's work, have you put in a bid to buy it? If not, why not? For me? I would pay $0 and think it was a joke that it was included in the collection. That's an important difference for someone to know if they want to make a LIVING as an artist. What is my work WORTH? If other artists tell you that you aren't ready to sell? Fine. Don't give up painting. Just paint as birthday presents for your family. Paint as a hobby, because it makes you feel good. Take classes. Something. Just don't expect to put a brush to canvas one day, call it art, and make a living from it. The art world just doesn't work that way. I still stand by the fact that Christina turned to art, and selling her "art" because she saw this as easier than working at a regular, full time job. It isn't. It's harder. If she wanted to "Drop the Hustle" marketing art isn't how to do that! Working 9-5 all week is the way to go. For now. I do think the two are very much connected, and not off-topic. There are plenty of people out there who are calling themselves something they aren't, and I'm guessing their bank accounts are reflecting this reality. If Christina isn't broke by now? Paint me confused.
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Toushay 50 desperate attention whore postings
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07-03-06, 03:20 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
LAST EDITED ON 07-03-06 AT 03:23 AM (EST)I have no problem with anyone selling anything they want on eBay and that includes all the starting over women. It has absolutely nothing to do with me! It's an easy outlet for anyone who has something to sell. And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If I'm not interested in something or someone I don't bother looking at their stuff! Nor will I critique it or a buyer...just because I don't want it doesn't mean someone else is wrong to value it. If they like it, they like it! That doesn't mean they have to buy it. Or want to buy it. Or even think about buying it. The comment "able to create art without any understanding of technique, perspective, composition or color" only makes me remember the artwork that has sold for thousands of dollars that is "created" by apes and elephants! Hmmm...lots of understanding there....and on the part of the buyers! All kinds of crap has sold deemed to be "art" by some "learned" critic. Same with "inventive" music! Christina is working at a job; she is selling off some childhood stuff and some of her "art". So what?! She's learning while she does it, and who knows, maybe someday she will make more than a few dollars at it. I certainly don't know what her life is like now, what she does, how much money she has, and I would never try to tell her how to run her life any more than I would want someone critiquing my life, as my life is extremely unusual and does not fit most people's idea of the "norm". So what?! That's my life, my business. One person says her painting is great, another says it is not. So what?! Different strokes for different folks. Writing, painting, music creation...it's all over the place and very hard to wrench a living out of. But doing these crafts, the attempts at music, the dreams of being a writer....they satisfy a place in one's soul, a place where dreams live, and where life is everything you wish it were. Some few break through and do well, but most remain in the hobbyist realm. So what?! Let them live, let them breathe, let them dream. Their life is their reality. That's where some things they learned at SO may come in handy, to differentiate between what is real (authentic) and what is some one else's idea of real. What is one's own is what is real. What someone else may think about one's life is over in that other person's reality world and has nothing to do with one's own life. It doesn't matter what someone else thinks about your life because they are not you and never will be. So what they think has no meaning to you. If they see a problem, it's in their own eye.
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EMTBGRL 2513 desperate attention whore postings
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07-03-06, 11:32 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
>LAST EDITED ON 07-03-06
>AT 03:23 AM (EST)
>
>I have no problem with anyone
>selling anything they want on
>eBay and that includes all
>the starting over women.
>It has absolutely nothing to
>do with me! Sure it does. You are a potential "buyer."
It's an
>easy outlet for anyone who
>has something to sell.
>And beauty is in the
>eye of the beholder.
>If I'm not interested in
>something or someone I don't
>bother looking at their stuff!
> Nor will I critique
>it or a buyer...just because
>I don't want it doesn't
>mean someone else is wrong
>to value it. If
>they like it, they like
>it! That doesn't mean
>they have to buy it.
> Or want to buy
>it. Or even think
>about buying it.
Except, it is for sale. That's the point.
>
>The comment "able to create art
>without any understanding of technique,
>perspective, composition or color" only
>makes me remember the artwork
>that has sold for thousands
>of dollars that is "created"
>by apes and elephants! I wouldn't buy that, either. >Hmmm...lots of understanding there....and on
>the part of the buyers! I don't expect apes and elephants to understand that they need to support themselves in a practical manner while learning how to be artists. Somebody is already feeding them. They can both eat for free and paint all day long. That's part of my point, too. >
>
>All kinds of crap has sold
>deemed to be "art" by
>some "learned" critic. Same
>with "inventive" music! It does amaze me what people do with their money.
>
>Christina is working at a job;
>she is selling off some
>childhood stuff and some of
>her "art". So what?! True, that is entrepreneurship. However, Christina will not survive on selling off her belongings and her "art" nor will she sufficiently support her son on these earnings. For someone who had a goal of "Drop the Hustle" would it kill Christina to find a regular job with health benefits and a 401K plan to SEE what THAT feels like? If she was willing to put the time in behind a desk, or some other regular job, I might support her artistic endeavors. Definitely would be more likely than I am NOW. Since Christina is still "hustling" (because she doesn't WANT to have steady work imho) I will *not* support her "art" and I think anyone who does is helping Christina NOT "Start Over." That's what. > She's learning while she
>does it, and who knows,
>maybe someday she will make
>more than a few dollars
>at it. Someday maybe. Now? No. I certainly
>don't know what her life
>is like now, what she
>does, how much money she
>has, I have a good guess. and I would never
>try to tell her how
>to run her life any
>more than I would want
>someone critiquing my life, You did not put your life on a Reality TV show. as
>my life is extremely unusual
>and does not fit most
>people's idea of the "norm".
> So what?! That's
>my life, my business. Again, you are correct. However, again, you did not put your life on a Reality TV show. Christina did. Fair game.
>
Writing, painting, music creation...it's
>all over the place and
>very hard to wrench a
>living out of. But
>doing these crafts, the attempts
>at music, the dreams of
>being a writer....they satisfy a
>place in one's soul, a
>place where dreams live, and
>where life is everything you
>wish it were. True. I am both a painter and a writer myself. However, I also am a mother and work as an EMT to eat, pay bills, etc.. My dream does not include poverty and homelessness. That doesn't mean that I do not believe in my talents. I do. I also understand finances. Since I haven't "made it" YET I understand the importance of being able to work a regular job (which isn't a usual job, either, but a necessary one) so that I can do things like go to a doctor or a dentist without all my savings going to paying obscenely high out of pocket expenses. Then again, I never claimed to be "Dropping the Hustle" either. True. Christina is no longer hooking or hustling chips. That's something I will give her credit for. Why is she so RESISTANT to finding regular WORK for awhile? (until she DOES "make it") Her attire for her job interview was abominable. She was told that (and acted surprised) She was late. Her speech was atrocious. Her resume was ridiculous. I see Christina's attempts at art being a way to AVOID having to fix anything about herself in order to be successful in a "real job." That's NOT "Starting Over." Some
>few break through and do
>well, but most remain in
>the hobbyist realm. So
>what?! Let them live,
>let them breathe, let them
>dream. Their life is
>their reality. Their reality is based on the good and bad choices they make in their lives. I am an artist, too. I do not believe Christina is making GOOD choices. I believe someone who cared about Christina would help her with interviewing skills, etc. and encourage her to WORK while she developed as an artist. Art supplies cost money, too. What will she do when she's out of money? How many belongings does she have to sell? What other kind of hustling might she do for art supplies, etc.? Honestly? It's HARDER to be an entrepreneur in some ways than it is to work at a regular job. The difference? Entrepreneurs are accountable to themselves, their customers, and the IRS. Is Christina afraid of having a boss?
>
>That's where some things they learned
>at SO may come in
>handy, to differentiate between what
>is real (authentic) and what
>is some one else's idea
>of real. Nobody is going to argue that money is both real and authentic when the rent is due, you go to the grocery store to buy food, and your kid is looking at colleges. That's my point. I want Christina not to struggle for those things. I want CHRISTINA to not want Christina to struggle for those things. I don't see that now. What someone else
>may think about one's life
>is over in that other
>person's reality world and has
>nothing to do with one's
>own life. I suppose that depends on what government assistance Christina will end up on based on her poor work choices. (I've been there, and learned that the HARD way.) I have no problem with Christina being an artist. She needs to be practical first. That's all. It doesn't
>matter what someone else thinks
>about your life because they
>are not you and never
>will be. Unless you are an entrepreneur. Then it absolutely matters what other people think of your product. They don't need to be YOU, or even Like *you* (Christina in this case) they need to like what you are selling. In this case? What I think matters, because I'm not buying what she's selling. That's business, not personal. Again, the only real way that people can support Christina is to buy her stuff. That's what she wants, anyway. Not kudos. Not white light to the universe, whatever. She wants MONEY. That's it.
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Toushay 50 desperate attention whore postings
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07-03-06, 05:01 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
Seriously EMTBGRL, I think we are not that far apart! It appears that you even want good things for little Christina!"Sure it does. You are a potential "buyer." " - Nope, just a looker. And I don't look at the zillions of things for sale on ebay to imagine whatever about the sellers. What someone sells there has nothing to do with me, unless I'm in that market to buy. Even then, those zillions of sellers mean nothing to me, just the one I might buy from. Will I get it? Will it be good? "Except, it is for sale. That's the point." So what?! They can put up $hit for sale if they want! eBay is a free market with few restrictions. On art? It's totally subjective, in the eye of the beholder. "Since Christina is still "hustling" (because she doesn't WANT to have steady work imho) I will *not* support her "art" and I think anyone who does is helping Christina NOT "Start Over." That's what." This is a fact??? She said she works for her dad. Lots of people work in family business. That doesn't make it any less legitimate than working out for someone else's family business! Many family businesses also have 401Ks and other benefits. On her income? "I have a good guess." Guess being the operative word here, your words. On eBay...she's only selling a couple of things, not a ton like some others who ARE trying to make livings there. Not even like Christie, who opened an eBay store. "Their reality is based on the good and bad choices they make in their lives." Yes, THEIR lives. "I do not believe Christina is making GOOD choices." Not part of Christina's world, so it doesn't matter. Unless you try to enter her world to offer help, which she might appreciate. "HARDER to be an entrepreneur" DEFINITELY! A person works their butt off to make their own business succeed. There's no regular paycheck to depend on, no benefits handed down, no unemployment insurance, etc. And you'll work two or three times as much and harder for yourself than for others. "government assistance" is there for a reason, we all pay for it. Yes, some take advantage, but in the long run it is not a free ride. Who said Christina is on assistance? Are we to look down on people on government assistance? Disability? Workman's comp? Disasters? "it absolutely matters what other people think of your product. ...they need to like what you are selling. In this case? What I think matters, because I'm not buying what she's selling. That's business, not personal." What you think matters only to you! Not everyone will agree. But you're free to say you hate it. "the only real way that people can support Christina is to buy her stuff" - no one is going to support Christina by buying a $5 Barbie or $15 hat. Many women have gone through very tough times, struggled with and without help, held down multiple jobs. Many of US have been there. It is nice to have been there and made it through in order that one may be able to offer constructive help and advice to others who are not as far along in life. That is a beautiful thing, and very rewarding. Women can help women. Tough women can help other women. Women with scars can help other women. Women who remember what it was like can help other women. When you sit at the end of your life and look back, what will you remember that you said and did? (You = collective women as a group)
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EMTBGRL 2513 desperate attention whore postings
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07-03-06, 11:48 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
>Seriously EMTBGRL, I think we are
>not that far apart!
>It appears that you even
>want good things for little
>Christina!
>
The truth about me? I want good things for everyone. The welfare thread was locked. However, I posted a lot about my personal experiences in there. (Some peeps will remember, read and shared.) Therefore, no, I was not making snarky comments about people on assistance. I did not know that Christina also worked for her father. There's nothing wrong with that. That puts a different light on some of this for me. One of the on-going themes in the SO and these threads are a lot of women's frustrations about the HG's being directed to live their dreams (which is fine and dandy) wihtout ANY direction in how to ground themselves, financially or otherwise. For someone trying to make a living off of selling their wares on e-bay? It most DEFINITELY matters that you are a potential buyer, just like everyone else. Entrepreneurs are not interested in "lookers" if they want to stay in business. You said yourself that you look to see if it's good. That's potential buyer behavior. Yes, I used the word "guess" to be polite. I am guessing that Christina is pretty darn close to bankrupt. At least, before I knew she worked for dad--I hope she's being smart about THAT money!
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34. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
I think you may have missed the update that she is working in her dad's shop. Now what that means, I don't know, but it could very well mean that she is working a job that pays for her expenses and has benefits. She may just be doing the art as a hobby. I really don't see anything wrong with doing it as a hobby...I'm an ameture painter and I've thought about going to a local flea market to sell my paintings-not to make a living, just for some spending money. I agree that thinking you can make a living doing that is delusional-hence the term "starving artist", but just for some spending money...no big deal.
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07-03-06, 06:48 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
OMG remember on the show when someone walked into the SOH and asked if Christina's son made the piece of "art" they saw? Forgot who it was but I was laughing so hard I spit my coffee out. She was so mad!
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17. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
The person who said that about Christina's art was Lisa's date. And if I recall, he was an ARTIST!! LOL which pretty much says alot. He, an ARTIST, thought that a little kid did that art ... hahahahaChristina is no artist, and she shouldn't claim to be one. She should take classes, and see what a "real" art teacher says about her art. Like I said before, if she hadn't been on SO and nobody knew her, and she put that painting on ebay ..... NOBODY would buy it .. or nobody would pay that kind of money for it, maybe $20 at the MOST! She is living in a dream world. She isn't just a normal 21 year old who has the time to find her passion, she has a son to support. Christina GO TO SCHOOL! OR GET A REAL JOB! I'm glad that painting got pulled, because if she was "cheating" and having her friends hike up the bid ... shame on you, Christina. I see you learned alot about INTEGRITY from the SOH. No Integrity, means you never REALLY started over.
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07-03-06, 09:58 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
I too have my degrees and background in art, so do my brothers and many of our friends . All but one of these very talented people make their living in a design field. (a steady paycheck and benefits)and for this opportunity an education is needed. If someone can sell enough to keep themselves going with art supplies than that's good news. There is so much competition. There are probably thousands of rolled up paintings in peoples homes all across the country. It is NOT a put down to want someone to properly prepare themselves for a comfortable future more fun than ebaying. It is not a put down. It is advice. One class at a time.
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07-03-06, 11:54 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
> I too have
>my degrees and background in
>art, so do my brothers
>and many of our friends
>. All but one
>of these very talented people
>make their living in a
>design field. (a steady paycheck
>and benefits)and for this opportunity
>an education is needed. 100% in agreement there! If someone can sell enough to
>keep themselves going with
>art supplies than that's good
>news. There is
>so much competition. Yep. That's for garsh darned sure! There
>are probably thousands of rolled
>up paintings in peoples homes
>all across the country.
>It is NOT a put
>down to want someone to
>properly prepare themselves for a
>comfortable future more fun than
>ebaying. It is not a
>put down. It is
>advice. One class at a
>time. Right. That's all I meant. There's more to being a successful artist than art. There's the marketing, networking and selling, too. Not only would it benefit Christina to take art classes, it would also benefit Christina (or any other budding entrepreneur) to take business classes as well. Or, some training in financial management. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be both an artist and financially savvy. Thanks for noting that was not a put down (or "Death to the Dream.") You are correct, it was not a put down. I happen to think it was very sound advice. Thanks!
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talker67 12 desperate attention whore postings
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07-04-06, 03:34 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
She probably had a reserve on it. Like a minimum(sp) bid, before the bid is accepted. Hope that made sense.
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07-04-06, 12:47 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
Thanks...that makes complete sense, but now I feel like an IDIOT LOL ;)
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35. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
Would people have looked at the e-bay items even once if Christina hadn't used her "SO" tag... No, I don't think so.
Nobody would pay attention. She's only in it for the bucks she thinks she can make. She probably laugh's when she does sell her "art" & I use that term loosely, because it's just another hustle for her...
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37. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
Can any one give me the link to Christina's myspace? I am a member but don't know how to find people on the site! Thanks
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ltlfighter 173 desperate attention whore postings
DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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07-16-06, 11:03 AM (EST)
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39. "RE: Christina's Latest painting on ebay is great!" |
As the person who started this new thread stated, she is selling her item's using "Christinastartedover". I stand by my previous post.
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