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"The Crying Game"
leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 04:57 PM (EST)
 
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"The Crying Game" |
The last show convinced me Matt knows. Here is why:We (and the actors)knew the love triangle thing was going to happen so we knew Ashleigh and Molly make it to show 4. We knew Hutch advances because he had immunity and that Matt adavances or the show ends. We know Brian is one of the writers and is there to make revisions on the fly. So that left Pat, Kip and Earl. I suspect the producers have told the actors who is getting booted each week. Even if they have not there was still an obvious 1 in 3 chance Earl was going so it likely was not the shock value that made them cry. I think they cried because they were told to. The jibberish about connecting with Earl was a ruse. I think they were told to cry and act sad because the producers told them they were worried how it would look if Matt broke down and they did not. They also told Matt to break down. So they were each putting on their acts. The fact Matt went to his room and did not mourn with the other contestants is the icing on the cake. What was with that soliloquy he delivered from his chair directly to the camera?
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Jpod5 147 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 05:35 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: The Crying Game" |
Isn't it awesome how we see the same thing and draw strikingly different conclusions?! This is the first time I've paid any attention to a message board of any kind, and I must say I enjoy the perspectives and uniqueness of it all.>I suspect the producers have told
>the actors who is getting
>booted each week. Even
>if they have not there
>was still an obvious 1
>in 3 chance Earl was
>going so it likely was
>not the shock value that
>made them cry. Sound logic on the fact that they shouldn't have been surprised. One of the reasons I disagree with your conclusion is that in the one-on-one actor discourses, it seems they have been completely 'out of character' and allowed/encouraged to speak truthfully. Molly clearly stated that she was a bit surprised at her reaction and even confused at it. Unless she was 'told' to say this (and I can't see why the producers would want her to ACT as if she was sorry to see another actor leave), then there is simply some honest bonding going on in the house...which I fully allow as a possibility. >I think they cried because they
>were told to. The
>jibberish about connecting with Earl
>was a ruse. I
>think they were told to
>cry and act sad because
>the producers told them they
>were worried how it would
>look if Matt broke down
>and they did not.
>They also told Matt to
>break down. So they were
>each putting on their acts. Again, Patricia would have to have been lying when she was saying Matt and The Pearl connected. IF Matt is an actor, I think it very unlikely the others know it. For Patricia to have been told to pretend they made a connection would only seem plausible if she knew there was a reason to lie about it...namely her knowledge that Matt himself is a fake. I can buy a scenario where Matt is acting to put the joke on the others, but I can't really see one where everyone is acting together with full knowledge. >The fact Matt went to his
>room and did not mourn
>with the other contestants is
>the icing on the cake.
>What was with that soliloquy
>he delivered from his chair
>directly to the camera? He obviously is somewhat self-conscious about what the audience sees/thinks about him (i.e. the tugging incident, contradicted though by his 'talent' performance). Why wouldn't he feel some need to apologize to an audience that hasn't seen all that goes on between people there? If someone breaks down in a public setting, they often might make excuses as to the non-so-obvious cause, no? One thing I'd have to see a second time is if he ever addresses the camera that seems hidden in a corner. There was a handheld I believe, and also one that is behind a mirror or other concealment. While I don't rule out Matt is in on it, I don't think these things are in any way a smoking gun. They can support the supposition that these are real people forming some real bonds, or they can support a conspiracy viewpoint as well... jlm
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leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 06:00 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: The Crying Game" |
if it was because they spent a year together why didnt they cry when gina left? and maybe i'm mistaken but i thought pat said lance connected with earl not matt. interesting
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holli105 6 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 07:13 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: The Crying Game" |
probably for the same reason I've always rooted for the older guy on every reality show I've watched for the past few years.. It's easy to get sentimental about someone like that. My Lord - I remember crying on Survivor Outback when they got rid of Roger.
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leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-19-03, 03:21 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: The Crying Game" |
it sounds like you think the actors are not acting but are in fact real also...they didnt cry when gina left because the whole thing is BS...they cried when earl left because the whole thing is BS
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leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-19-03, 04:06 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: The Crying Game" |
oh sorry i don't remember...i'll have to check out one of the 250 repeats of the program spike does this week...my memory is when earl was first announced as booted Matt wasn't crying he was glaring at hutch...was somebody else crying already or was matt first? hmmm
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings
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09-18-03, 07:39 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: The Crying Game" |
Scenario. (As before, completely wild guess. And, to paraphrase TMQ, all predictions and deductions guaranteed wrong or your money back.)So here we have Matt, who we know to be an emotional guy, and Earl, who is playing the part of the hard-boiled former military lifer. According to sources, the two make a connection. A handshake across the generations. 'You're the son I never had.' 'And you're the father I never visit, even though we live in the same house.' Earl's voted out. Earl makes his speech to the others, and says that the person he learned the most from is Kip. Kip and Earl have a certified (fake) moment before Earl heads out the door. And in Matt's brain, Kip becomes the number 1, Earl becomes a second 1, and the words 'Look at the tender, loving May-December relationship that the world will now never get to see fulfilled' somehow compress down enough to become a 2. Yes, Matt has just concluded that Earl has, in his subtle way, broken years of silence, volunteered information that he was never asked for and hasn't told once in his life, and come out of the closet as gay. A life-altering announcement on national television. Earl is forever changed. The audience is forced to reassess their views of the world. QE considers changing over to the Fab 6 by adding a Social Interaction specialist. And Matt, listening to the harp strings playing somewhere just out of microphone range, goes into an all-out emotional breakdown. As for the remaining actors -- I think the standard trick is to think of your career prospects following the show's wrap-up. 'I'm going to be featured on UPN? Pass me another tissue.'
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leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-18-03, 09:38 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: The Crying Game" |
very funnytoday at work i had a new thought about this. Kip could not have been eliminated either. We know this because they have been grooming the Hutch throwing Kip into the pool thing from the start and it has not happened yet. so the actors would have known it was earl or pat going, if they could not figure out it was actually earl from the other set up scenarioes we do not know about yet. so if you were on of the actors and knew earl was going to be booted after that ceremony would you have cried?
not bloody likely then why?
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09-23-03, 06:34 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: The Crying Game" |
JlmI really enjoyed your post.. It made me think as well...if there was all this 'acting' going on.. all over the place.. in confessionals.. etc.. Then to the white jackets in a hurry please! It would drive anyone nuts. This is a 24/7 exercise afterall. If you can't be 'real' at anytime 24/7 your psyche will go bonkers and emotions will run over unexpectantly.. We aren't made to act all the time..
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leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 10:09 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: The Crying Game" |
very harsh, the rapist thing. if matt knows though its consensual
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09-19-03, 05:23 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: The Crying Game" |
Tonight I finally got to watch the crying episode - and became totally convinced that Matt is in on it. I had to know, and my quest took me here. What makes me believe more than anything that Matt is also an actor is that the show is simply too good. Any "real" human being could never, in a million years - be as perfect as Matt is. He is always on point, and extremely funny in every situation - his reactions to each event and plot point seem to be perfect for each scenario. I think that when Matt took his hands off of the "high priced hooker" in the first game, this was actually scripted - the producers act surprised in order to help convince the audience that the show is real, and that anything could happen. Also, I realize that while Matt is the center of attention and the subject of the show that he is considerable more outspoken than the rest of the other contestants - almost over acting. I do think however that the rest of the cast actually thinks that Matt is an ordinary guy, and that he is duping them along with the rest of us. Also - ethically speaking - I couldn't think of anything more wrong. If you to actually toy with a guy like this (Truman Show style) and having him make all of sorts of friends and relationships that don't really exist, you'd destroy him in the first place, and secondly - run a very high risk of him killing most of the people involved in the project, and then/or kill himself.
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09-19-03, 11:57 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: The Crying Game" |
Any "real" human being could never, in a million years - be as perfect as Matt is. If you to actually toy with a guy like this (Truman Show style) and having him make all of sorts of friends and relationships that don't really exist, you'd destroy him in the first place, and secondly - run a very high risk of him killing most of the people involved in the project, and then/or kill himself. Schmo isn't that "perfect". I agree with Kyngslaye that he is the focus of the show and each episode is edited that way. Obviously, whole sections of time are undocumented by the show because that footage was boring, or didn't work for what the producers wanted to portray, etc. It's just like the news. Also, I doubt he'd react that strongly as to kill. I can see needing a shrink visit or two, but murder? Nah. --Neffer of Western Great White North
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09-24-03, 02:58 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: The Crying Game" |
I'm new to this board, so maybe this has already been covered. But what I didn't understand is why they were so upset when 4 of them voted for him to be evicted. That would have been the 1st thing I would have asked, is who voted against him?
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09-22-03, 12:27 PM (EST)
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23. "From the Producers mouths" |
For what it is worth this interview with 2 of the producers, Paul Wernick and Rhett Reese, appeared in the Phoenix New Times.http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2003-09-18/speakeasy.html/1/index.html Relevant excerpts:
NT: It's obvious that you guys were looking for the biggest goofball in America. What were the criteria? Wernick: I don't think Matt's a goofball. He bought into the whole thing, but he's actually one of the most genuine people ever on reality TV. He's a bit of a ham, and he played to the cameras a bit, but he made our job hard because he didn't tell us what we expected to hear. He was a star because he's a great listener who picks up on everything. NT: Well, maybe not everything. He sort of didn't catch on to the fact that he was being made an ass of by about a hundred people. Reese: Yeah. People are watching, thinking, "How could he fall for this?" But you have to put yourself into that context. Reality TV is all so faked up and weird that it would be difficult for anyone on one of these shows to say, "Hmm, this seems a little odd."
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Reese: Wait. Go back. I want to say something about how you think it's mean that we faked Matt out, that he was stupid to have f
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