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"A tribute to Mika"
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mindy23 1319 desperate attention whore postings
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10-26-09, 09:36 AM (EST)
 
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3. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
I was SO *&^^%$ unbelievably frustrated with that girl last night, I was screaming at the TV, throwing my arms around like a mad woman, and spouting unspeakables at Phil et al...THEN, when Big Easy and his Partner came along and agged her on-THAT WAS PRICELESS!!!As I stated in a previous post, this woman MUST have THOUGHT she'd gotten an application for America's Next Top Model. THAT is the only explanation I can come up with. There is NO other reality show that I know of that doesn't require some amount of physical and/or psychological challange to compete your way through to a nice, cool mil! Her teammate SAYS he forgives her NOW, but just wait until the last episode, when whoever crosses that finish line actually gets awarded that check...and he has to go back to that place in time where little Mika, with her cute little floaties, refused to go down a water slide, that most 10 year olds would LOVE to! LOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!
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10-26-09, 09:55 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
her cute little floatiesNot according to Max. It was a hanging curveball, okay? I don't want to neglect Canaan's part in this fiasco: the times he essentially tried to sit behind her and push himself off, ramming her down the slide... Trash talk may be seen as low, but it's part of the game and you can ignore it at your leisure. Physically forcing your partner into something she doesn't want to do? So many class acts, so many more failing grades to give. 
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11-04-09, 08:57 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
As I explained in this thread below, I see his behavior as abusive,AS you said, YMMV. But I would love for you to show me a relationship so perfect there was never any abuse, as you define it, by either party. Or even just one party, for that matter. I ask that because I know that no matter how perfect a relationship or person may be, there are always problems and conflicts that arise. It may not ever turn physical, but everyone goes too far sometimes in verbal and emotional "warfare". And it is there, when people do go too far, that leads to what Canaan put so well. "There is a lot of freedom in forgiveness."
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Karchita 4469 desperate attention whore postings
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11-04-09, 06:21 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-04-09 AT 07:22 PM (EST)I never said that relationships have to be perfect to not be abusive. People get angry and impatient with each other all the time and it's not abuse. However, Canaan crossed a line with me and with others who found this scene painful to watch. Actually, I didn't define emotional abuse below because it is very hard to define, I think. If you google it, you see a variety of definitions and most include things like belittling, blaming, name-calling, withholding help, support, or love, and infliction of psychological or emotional suffering, humiliation, intimidation or powerlessness. I did say that I thought emotional abuse can occur just once and didn't have to be ongoing. By that, I don't mean your spouse calling you stupid or intimadating you one time; I mean one lengthy, substaintial incident like what happened between Canaan and Mika where he did just about everything included in the definition. In addition, there was a real lack of respect for her or her feelings. As ridiculous as she looked and was acting, her fear was very, very real. It sounds like some of the commenters here also didn't respect that fact, but tv does depersonalize situations. Canaan was there in person and involved with Mika intimately. He had to have been aware that her fear was real and yet he showed no respect for her feelings. He treated them only as an impediment to what he wanted. I agree that loving people who are having a disagreement can sometimes go too far, but there has to be underlying respect for each other and I didn't see that at all in Canaan's behavior. Second, it was sustained. It wasn't a momentary outburst, which again is something we all do from time to time. He kept tormenting her for, as I said below, what looked to me for at least 30 minutes. That's conservative. It may have been longer. Third, it was willful. He had the opportunity to try a different tactic, to self-correct, to apologize, to support instead of tear down, but he didn't. And that is my point about the irony of him forgiving her. From what I saw, he committed a wrong as well, and one that was much more serious and willful than Mika's fear-based idiocy. Yet, he seems too arrogant to understand that is really much worse than what she did. It was an ugly scene. It was abuse and there is no doubt about it in my mind. Forgiveness is great, but it was completely the wrong person giving the forgiveness here. I just read their bios and learned that they are not married, so maybe Mika will learn from watching or has already figured out the she can do better than Canaan. For her sake, I hope so. Everyone should feel respected by their spouse. ETA: There is no doubt in my mind that it was abuse but only so far as I can be sure of anything on reality tv. I do recognize that we didn't see the whole scene and it may have been better than what we saw. It may also have been worse. 
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Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings
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10-26-09, 03:30 PM (EST)
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10. "To push, or not to push?" |
Hubby and I were in a bit of a disagreement on this. I thought it was completely unacceptable for Canaan to try and force Mika down the slide. Did you see her saying "help me! help me!" to the guy by the slide, and how he did NOTHING! I felt so bad for her. She could have been seriously hurt if he forced her down - she wouldn't have been in the crossed legs/crossed arms position. I was so surprised the crew did nothing to prevent him from accosting her. Not cool. Hubby didn't think it was such a big deal. He was furious with Mika on Canaan's behalf, and said Canaan would never forgive her for this. I said she would never have forgiven him if he forced her down the slide.
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Cathy the Canadian 599 desperate attention whore postings
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10-26-09, 07:11 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: To push, or not to push?" |
This wasn't a kid's slide. It was six stories high, and almost a 90 degree angle. They tell you to cross your arms & legs and lay back for a reason!
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10-26-09, 01:50 PM (EST)
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It ruined the whole episode. Instead of having Trotters drama and a race, it was a giveaway.A chance to slide down the coolest slide in the world? I understand unreasonable fear and paralyzing phobias, but a 5 second slide? Has she worn arm floaties (she is an adult, right?) in other challenges? What a goof. BTW...8+7+date=lock combo? That was pretty funny. And if he/they think taunting the enemy is unforgivable, he/they better not get interested in sports, let alone real life. Because both their mothers are so fat... Giving the poker players a challenge involving mental money math was really too easy.
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kidflash212 3854 desperate attention whore postings
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10-26-09, 02:00 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
Exactly, a slide is nothing. Over quickly and you'll be looking up the entire time so you won't realize how high you are.
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MissMyth 352 desperate attention whore postings
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10-26-09, 04:05 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
I don't think that ANYthing the Globetrotters said was anywhere near as bad as what her own team mate/boyfriend was saying and doing to her.
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10-27-09, 04:29 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
I might be in the minority here, but I probably would have done the same thing as the Globetrotters. It's a race for a million dollars and I would want to do whatever it takes to keep myself in the race, knowing I just took a very long time at the roadblock.In an ordinary situation, I wouldn't have done it and even tried to help out as I'm a former lifeguard and swim instructor, so I know a few tricks to get frightened people into the water for the first time. But, in that situation? Hey, TAR is all about heights, water challenges, etc., so you know (or should know) what you signed up for. Game on. If you're in my way, then either do it pronto or I'll talk you out of doing it so I can get through and save myself at the end. Having said that... Agreed, Canaan handled it poorly. I would have handled it in a different manner by saying something like, why don't I go down first and I'll catch you when you get to the bottom? Then just go and wait for Mika. Instead, he made her so terrified by his prodding and pushing that she wasn't going down under any circumstance. He should have reassured her it wasn't anything too bad by going down first and also pointing out everyone else had gone down as well without any trouble.
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kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings
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10-28-09, 10:29 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
Those guys are pretty glib, and as basketball players, Globe Trotters no less, trash talking seems to be a natural, almost instinctive thing with them. Heck, earlier they made fun of themselves themselves after the watch/Combo fiasco.
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10-27-09, 09:43 AM (EST)
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17. "On Canaan's Side" |
I will premise this with the fact that I was a fan of (1) Dandrew and (2) Colin & Christy. Take it as you may.Didn't watch Sunday. I saw the comments here and expected the worst. Frankly, I didn't think Canaan's behavior was "that" bad. I seriously doubt that anyone goes into the TAR experience completely blind. If you do, you're a complete idiot. Mika has fears, Mika can't do things. How old is Mika? She's old enough to know better. Canaan had to have had some knowledge of Mika's fears. He should have known better than to do the race with her. I do not feel sorry for anyone who does TAR and then cannot perform. Canaan was not physically abusive to her. Her crying of "help me, help me" fell on deaf ears, as it should have. I think if Canaan had been doing anything that remotely resembled really harming her, someone would have done something. She acted like a complete spoiled child throwing a tantrum. I also thought it was funny that the Globetrotters were taunting her. I think Canaan's outburst to them was purely out of frustration. 
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10-27-09, 09:59 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: On Canaan's Side" |
Check out RTVW interview on our front page. She said she was more afraid of the height than the water... He knew of her fears.... a few weeks before the race, had trouble getting her to go down a 6 ft slide off a pontoon boat. also said he got right in the face of one of the GT about taunting her.... also said there was a rule against actually physically forcing a team member to do something...
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10-28-09, 11:13 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: On Canaan's Side" |
*shrugs*I think it's a sketchy, thin line to base the few minutes of edited footage we were given to say that it was "abuse." Also, edited footage of a stressful competition for a million dollars, a competition that one had to have known would put you in tense and fearful situations. Could he have handled it better? Sure. But she was completely ridiculous. Completely. Abuse???? Can't see it. But again, I'm not seeing anything with them outside of the race. And, I probably have a different view on what defines abuse. I would consider it to be more of an ongoing, everyday type of behavior. I've never been in an abusive relationship of any kind with a man. I would never stand for it.
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Karchita 4469 desperate attention whore postings
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10-28-09, 05:47 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: On Canaan's Side" |
While some psychologists would agree that any behavior, emotional or physical, has to be part of a pattern to be abuse, that is not a view held by all by any means. Of course it is more serious if it is a pattern, but a single incident can be damaging nevertheless. From the one incident it would be irresponsible to extrapolate from it to say it was a pattern, and I am not saying that. However, we also didn’t see the whole thing, and it looks like it went on for a very long time, at least a half hour. I saw enough to say that even the bits that were shown clearly looked like abuse to me. But then, I believe that emotional abuse exists and some people don’t. If you have someone writhing on the floor crying ‘help me, help me’ and her husband is right there but withholding help from her, I think it ought to be clear you have abuse taking place. Then there are people who think a good wife beating is the way to maintain order in the household and all sorts of other ways to deny abuse. I know you don’t agree with that, but the point is that first a problem has to be identified before it can be solved. We have come a long way in identifying physical abuse, but still have a way to go with emotional abuse or we wouldn’t be having this discussion. BTW, abuse almost always occurs when people are under stress; that doesn’t excuse it.
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11-06-09, 00:05 AM (EST)
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47. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
Me too. But with my luck I'd get on a season where I had to bunjee jump or sky dive, which is why I don't think I'll ever try out for this show.
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11-05-09, 03:30 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
I think if it had been me and any one of my friends I would have expected to be shoved probably with a comment of "Your stupidity is not going to cost me 1,000,000$". ... No one was going to die going down the slide. It's not like jumping out of a plane or mountain climbing where the potential for injury exists. It's a slide.Actually, that is very much not true. For your typical water slide, the slope is so low, that the only real potentials for injury would be whatever hit the hardest on the slide as you fell from being pushed. After that, it would become your standard ride down the chute. However, the slide they were on is very different. These slides (many water parks have a similar version) are almost straight down. On a 70' slide, the curve from vertical to horizontal will start about 40' down. But for that 40' down, you travel horizontally about 5'. Normal slides, the slope is just the opposite. As for the chute itself, it is very narrow and the sides are low. There is a reason they tell you to go down flat on your back with arms and legs crossed. It would not take a lot of shifting of your center of gravity to turn sliding into uncontrolled falling and uncontrolled falling into leaving the chute and falling straight down to the ground. Or in this case, into a shark tank. Now combine that with frantic panic and I wouldn't just not be surprised if Mika got hurt had she been forced down the slide, I would have bet my house she'd get hurt. Welcome to the boards. Please continue to post. But on this point, I'm afraid you are dangerously wrong.
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11-05-09, 04:52 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: A tribute to Mika" |
It's just so hard to imagine. Death by Sliding. But then I grew up in an age of gravel on the ground of my playground filled with arsonic laced wood, exposed screws and tire swings. I can't help but see Mika as awfully silly though. I mostly lurk btw but I've been around for awhile.
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