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10-27-11, 07:55 AM (EST)
 
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"Bad Christians" |
I LOVE survivor and I find it amazing that these idiots who call themselves "good Christians" are praying to God to help them find idols and win challenges a) while they lie to each other (very Christian) and b) don't even THINK that MAYBE, God has more important things to focus on than that. Seriously... Asking God for help to win a million dollar reality show while people starve across the globe? VERY CHRISTIAN... I hope Dawn wins!
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10-27-11, 12:37 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Bad Christians" |
I'm wondering if this thread may be more appropriate for bashers.
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dabo 25344 desperate attention whore postings
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10-27-11, 01:05 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Bad Christians" |
This has already been brought up in a couple of threads on Bashers. It is perfectly alright to have discussions of disappointments from the show in Fanatics, though, especially things that go towards who you support for the win. Coach had a pretty good game going for a bit there, shame he's turned to the dark side now, perfectly fine thread in this forum.
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iltarion 1791 desperate attention whore postings
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10-27-11, 09:19 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Bad Christians" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-27-11 AT 09:20 PM (EST)They Lost?? Wrong episode. >
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings
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10-27-11, 08:50 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Bad Christians" |
Praying gives people strength, confidence and it unites them. Even if God has more important things to focus on or doesn't exist, the prayers still help.
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iltarion 1791 desperate attention whore postings
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10-27-11, 09:17 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Bad Christians" |
What have these guys done to make them "bad Christians?" Seriously, I would like to know.What lies has Coach told? None, that I've counted. If you do happen to tell a lie, does that make you a bad Christian? I guess there are zero good Christians in the world then. I see, because there are people starving all around the world, and kids dying of cancer, etc. etc... then none of us should ever pray about anything for ourselves. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. michel hit the point about praying right on the head. It has nothing to do with whether God "cares" about the result of some reality show. Admitting there is a something greater than yourself and asking it for help is offensive? I don't get people, seriously. You are all right. We would be much better off if we all just cared about ourselves and money and didn't have faith in anything. I am FAR from a religious zealot, but the only thing overboard about Coach's behavior was the screaming at his own tribe to get on their knees after the win. That was ridiculous. There are Christians who don't even like to kneel. I don't have a problem with kneeling, but if I'm going to kneel it is to be thankful for something important like my wife and kids, our health, not some victory in a game for money.
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings
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10-27-11, 10:06 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Bad Christians" |
Nice to see that we agree on most of this but the "we just found this idol" was a lie, wasn't it?
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iltarion 1791 desperate attention whore postings
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10-27-11, 10:17 PM (EST)
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Actually, Coach didn't say a word about finding the HII. He and Sophie walked back with tree mail. Coach called everyone to gather round. Brandon asked if they found the idol. Sophie smiled. Brandon proceeded to go nuts and tell everyone that Sophie and Coach found the HII. Coach took out the HII, gave it to Brandon, and said, "Take a look." That's all that was shown.
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10-28-11, 12:21 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 10-28-11 AT 12:24 PM (EST)Iltarion, you said "I am FAR from a religious zealot, but the only thing overboard about Coach's behavior was the screaming at his own tribe to get on their knees after the win. That was ridiculous. There are Christians who don't even like to kneel." To me, this was the worst and and the only really "offensive" part about it to me. There was the self-righteous demand by Coach that everyone get down on their knees to pray to Jesus AND it was probably done in part to make the Savaiis feal even more defeated. The other praying stuff...it seems to happen in many, if not most Survivor seasons. It seems sort of silly to me but I can see how if it is some sort of inter-tribal unity-building exercise, there may be some merit to doing it. What I don't like, though, is the implicit enforcement of participating in a religious exercise. Overt Christianity seems to be the default position in American reality shows (and probably in America itself). Those who believe in a different deity or no deity or that expressions of faith should be private end up getting dragged into the public display of piety to avoid being outcasts. And I'm uncomfortable with that...maybe because I'm Canadian and here, the default position is usually the reverse.
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PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings
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10-29-11, 08:24 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Bad Christians" |
Pretty hard to take a Christian like Coach seriously when one moment he's praying and asking for help ... then in the next moment, he's talking about putting a bullet in Brandon's brain - I know it's figurative, but to talk like that while also asking for help from the man upstairs? It's a jarring contrast.
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dabo 25344 desperate attention whore postings
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10-28-11, 00:34 AM (EST)
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"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him." (Matthew 6:5-8) Not that these people on Survivor can do anything about being filmed 24/7, but when they are hypocrites they should be called hypocrites.
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10-28-11, 07:47 AM (EST)
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I think there's also a strong element of peer pressure there, as is 'knees last, out next'. Anyone who went with their own, different beliefs and stood off to the side or prayed in a separate fashion would get to be the first political vote.
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10-28-11, 12:24 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Bad Christians" |
I hate it when you say exactly what I want to say but in a much more clear and concise manner. (see my reply to iltarion above)
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dabo 25344 desperate attention whore postings
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10-28-11, 11:19 AM (EST)
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Yes, that was ostentatious display, not because we got to see it but because it was done intentionally so that the Savaii would see it. And that is pretty much all on Coach, he basically forced his own tribe to all go along with it. Plus it was babbling.In game terms, it was really a dumb move to spark Savaii to become even more unified than they had been. The earlier communal prayer at Upolu was also hypocritical because it was done as part of a ruse to "find" the HII, fooling Brandon, Edna and Rick into believing it had just been found. Sophie was uncomfortable about it but went along with the plan, we don't know how Albert felt about it but he also went along with it; it was another Coach move. Communal prayer in and of itself is fine, it does help develop a sense of community and common purpose. And it is fairly common in sports for teams to have a team prayer before a game, I could have just overlooked that if that's all it was. But God doesn't take sides in game shows.
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iltarion 1791 desperate attention whore postings
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10-28-11, 01:57 PM (EST)
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Holy crap, Dabo. Great passage!Apparently you know the Bible better than Coach, which wouldn't surprise me since Ben Wade seemed Christianity free the first two times he was on. This all seems new to him. Like most passages of the Bible, I don't think you want to take it too literally. I think the point is that the true believer speaks to God when no one else can hear. It is the hypocrite who has to convince the world they believe. >
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dabo 25344 desperate attention whore postings
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10-28-11, 03:46 PM (EST)
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Thank you. And I agree, much of what is in the Bible, and in other ancient texts, really isn't meant to be taken literally or fundamentally. The underlying context, the philosophic message, the lesson in the passage, is it's true importance. Even Genesis, in the beginning and all that, it doesn't actually matter how it all started or how long it took or even if it occured in this or that order, there is a lesson there in taking time and doing things step by step by step, having a plan, that's how things get done.
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