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"S44 Ep. 10 Full Tilt Boogie...and it could actually happen with better casting"
Night 17 – When Survivor was “real” and relevant we would STILL not be at the halfway point. Yet, some are fine with “new school” Survivor. What a joke!

Frannie and Lauren are bellyaching over being out of the loop when Kane was drop-kicked out of the game. As a fellow Ratu, Lauren would not be included, and since the bloody morons who are incapable of realizing Tika is floating because of the power struggle between Soka and Ratu (something that Frannie has spelt out) should she be surprised?

Bubbleheaded Jaime is so delusional, she is beyond help. Although being an imbecile is sadly the recipe for success to advance in the game that has shamefully slipped downhill. She is still lamenting over her idol (which walked away with Kane) that inconceivably she STILL doesn’t realize is/was fake.

WOW...CHALLENGE TIME ALREADY!

This means TWO challenges this episode. That, in itself, makes Ep. 10 an upgrade. It’s a reward challenge. Even a novice fan knows a RC with the F8 usually means the winner will have choices to make. Once again, Frannie not only wins, but runs away with the victory. It’s not just the tacos, beer, and margaritas; but the letters from home that had all the castaways needing to serve time in the penalty box for embellishment.

Instead of noting the criteria Frannie used to pick those who would accompany her on the reward, how about we state the criteria for NOT being selected. Simply put, if you were born with a penis, you had NO shot of being selected. Frannie plays the “mommie dearest” card to justify her selections. Danny has a newborn child back at home...I guess that doesn’t count? Oh, that’s right, Danny does not breastfeed the child. * snort *

Even if you take gender out of the equation, TRUTH BE TOLD, if not for Danny using his II to save Frannie’s ass, she wouldn’t even be there to win the RC. Not one; not even two; but THREE choices and no payback for keeping her in the game?! OK, I suppose we need to circle back to the fact Danny was born with a penis. Carolyn, Lauren, and Heidi were selected.

Jaime was stuck back at camp to join the “sausage party” among those not chosen. The only one who voiced any resentment was Yam-Yam who cried like a little girl over not reading a letter from his husband. Outside of that, the overall consensus was to target Frannie BECAUSE SHE’S WINNING TOO MANY CHALLENGES. Allow me to reiterate that last phrase—BECAUSE SHE’S WINNING TOO MANY CHALLENGES. I’m now going to ask my main dude in the Basher Forum to turn away for the next three words:

ANTI DARWIN SYNDROME

At the reward feast and the letter reading congregation, we were subjected to a Squonk Festival. It’s day 18 folks. Military service personnel who are deployed for 18 MONTHS (or longer) don’t carry on as much as these Squonks did. Geez Louise!

Back at Va Va, Jaime decided to fess up and let all know her (fake) idol went with Kane when he was voted out. The delusional scatterbrain is so ecstatic because she believes “the truth will set you free!” Does this nincompoop know where she is and what game she’s trying to play? Here’s the rub my sweet dimwitted dunce...because Production focuses on casting lying sacks of sh!ts, even when you DO TELL THE TRUTH, no one is going to believe you. As much as I appropriately bash Production, I’ll give them props on how they showed Jaime so confident everyone believed her immediately followed by confessionals where players pretty much declaring whatever Jamie said was a crock of donkey’s dust. LMAO! If they only had her dressed in a clown outfit with a big red nose, the transformation would be complete.

IMMUNITY CHALLENGE

Everyone must crawl across the sand with their hands and feet tied, untie knots, and solve a puzzle (yet ANOTHER recycled puzzle.) Let’s focus on the final leg—Damn Friggin’ Puzzle.
Translation: Unless the sand Carson crawls across is quicksand, no way he does NOT win this challenge. As expected, Danny flies through the physical part of the challenge. As expected, Carolyn brings up the rear who wasn’t even able to get past the untying stage (Gosh, she flat-out SUCKS) before the expected outcome—Puzzle Meister Carson (compliments of NASA test site) wins immunity. And none of these bozos are looking at Carson as a threat??? Yeah, keep telling me casting is the “strongest department” in Production.

Returning back to camp, names are being dropped like nickels in a Las Vegas slot machine. Frannie is the main name as an ADS target. Jaime is being targeted for “lying” which in reality she was not. Carolyn still has a bug up her cleavage over Danny. And Heidi appears to be someone no one wants to sit next to at FTC.

TRIBAL COUNCIL

Immediate focus is on Frannie’s challenge dominance thus far. PSST, hey morons...who’s wearing the idol because of Damn Friggin’ Puzzles?? The discussion becomes so shameful, Frannie has to darn near apologize for trying to do her best. How sad...how pathetic. Jeff chimes in with the episode title “FULL TILT BOOGIE.” Or in other words, go all out and give it the best you have. Well said Probst, but here’s the problem. When your cohorts cast only a select few who embrace your “Full Tilt Boogie” mantra, it’s a concept the lame chicksh!ts (satisfied with less than a best effort that comprises a majority of the cast) find difficult to grasp.

Jaime, once again, wants the “truth to set her free” announcing her idol left with Kane. Kane is not helping her cause with a statuesque stoic stare. We could only wish the same stoic look from Carolyn who has more eyerolls and facial twitches than a turrets syndrome sufferer.

In the end, the Anti-Darwin Syndrome was too much of an albatross for Frannie to overcome who becomes the fourth member of the jury.

Next Time on Survivor

Carolyn is whining about being out of the loop. This was not the first time at TC. You could marvel over “helicopter shots,” (and this season sucks so bad, Carolyn getting the most votes at FTC would be the final load of donkey dung on a manure field) but if she’s not on the same page of a majority vote 70% into the season, I’m hard-pressed to believe she’ll get a majority of votes from the jury.

I’m still trying to back into the verbal diarrhea between Lauren and Jaime who think they have “all the power.” Got an extra clown outfit and red nose for Lauren as well?

We hear Red Herring hogwash about a fracture among Tika. Yam-Yam and Carson express concern. Don’t you believe it. Tika will skip-to-my-Lou into Finale Night.

It’s only a matter of time before Danny, who has aspirations to “take over the game,” starts skipping toward the Jury.

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 Female Bashing michel2 05-05-23 1
   RE: Someone needs a reality check Aruba 05-05-23 2
 RE: S44 Ep. 10 Full Tilt Boogie...a... michel2 05-06-23 3
   RE: S44 Ep. 10 Full Tilt Boogie...a... Aruba 05-07-23 4
       You Are Hlarious! michel2 05-07-23 5
           RE: The sweet taste of victory! Aruba 05-08-23 6
               The Agony of YOUR Defeat michel2 05-08-23 7

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1. "Female Bashing"
Man, you outdid yourself this week with your female bashing, It seems that anyone with a penis should have been taken on reward unless they are gay of course. Sometimes you make it hard for me to keep coming here. But I come here to point out how wrong you are, especially about your upposed ADS. Frannie wasn't voted out because people were afraid of her, they voted her out because of a much more basic human emotion: ENVY

Frannie should have known better and I've tried to warn it, because I've been saying it since season TWO: Never win Individual Rewards... It only causes jealousy, resentment and ENVY. Carolyne played it perfectly, letting herself be chosen to go is ideal. It denotes a great social game. Try to realize that the players AND the viewers like Carolyne a lot. Listen to what she says instead of trying to figure out if her boobies are fake or not and you'll see she makes a lot of sense.

You seem surprised that danny is still her target so are you forgetting how dismissive he was with her at their shared reward. If you don't think that warrants dogged determination to get him out then you REALLY don't know this game.


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2. "RE: Someone needs a reality check"
Boy, you came with your guns loaded this time. LOL
Anything that does not support your own individual narrative you will always inappropriately regard as “wrong.”

Reading a summary that assesses what ACTUALLY occurred and, in most cases, what was ACTUALLY SAID should not be “hard” to comprehend. Do you want to know what IS “hard?” How about replying to conjured up conspiracy theories or edit cards being played as readily as pocket aces at a Texas Hold ‘em table. That’s more than “hard,” it’s impossible to try to disprove a conjured-up event that most likely never occurred. Yet, that is the challenge responding to many of your posts.

Mine are quite the contrary. Mine are based on what was actually seen and heard in the episodes. I included Yam-Yam’s tearful plea in my summary about, “not getting a letter from my husband.” Not my words...YAM-YAM’s WORDS. And you insinuate that as being derogatory toward gays. Shame on you.

I don’t care how anyone wants to interpret it, but no way on God’s Green Earth Frannie was going to pick a male castaway for reward. If you want to buy into the “mommie” card, I suppose I can understand Lauren and Carolyn who have young children, but Heidi? At 47, NO WAY you’re going to convince me she has toddlers back at home running around and crying for “mommie” every day. And she gets picked over Danny with a 10-month newborn child. The same Danny who individually allowed Frannie’s game to extend by three extra weeks! Pointing out that fact is “female bashing???”
With all due respect, if anyone is guilty of being biased toward a particular gender it is YOU.

To state Carolyn “played it perfect letting herself be picked” as a lame example of game strategy has got to be the most comical statement you made this season. Carolyn was chosen because she gave birth to a son 8 or 9 years ago. Period. I agree many viewers ARE entertained by quirky, eccentric behavior, and when their shortcomings can be showcased (like the embarrassingly pathetic inept efforts in the challenges) viewers gravitate toward people making total jackasses of themselves.

You, yourself, stated in a reply a few weeks back, one of the best parts of American Idol is during the auditions when tone-deaf wannabees who can’t carry a tune in a bucket make total fools of themselves while belting out a song for the judges. Do you think the producers for Survivor are any different when casting a Debbie Wanner, Phillip Sheppard, or even a Carolyn? So, not sure why you need to keep convincing me viewers salivate over that.

On her trip to Journey Island with Brandon and Danny, Danny INITIALLY point-blank asked Carolyn who she would consider targeting at merge. Carolyn would NOT provide any answer. Quite frankly, she “dismissed” Danny first. After that, yes, the conversation became two-way between Brandon and Danny. Lest we not forget, this is a person who struggled mightily with her opening confessional where Production needed to provide her a roadmap just to engage in a conversation. I suppose you expected Danny/Brandon to do the same.

As for her boobies...do you really think any woman would endure major surgery, not to mention shell out a tremendous amount of her hard-earned money, to sport a pair of plastic boobies AND NOT WANT ANYONE TO NOTICE THEM??? Come on now! I’m simply noticing them in my summaries. And if you think casting completely disregards them, then we’ll need to come up with another word for ignorance.
Well, OK, I also know I usually can get a charge out of you, Ha-Ha.

I’ll wrap this up with our most heated debate topic. Not just this season, but in more instances than I can keep track, players quote, state, and explain their reason to eliminate a player because they “win too many challenges,” they’re “big and strong,” they’re “physical,” they’re “challenge studs,” etc. etc. Yet, you consistently tell me I’m “wrong” when all these statements FROM THE PLAYERS THEMSELVES support the ADS.

Now if you want to say you’re frustrated over how players support the ADS, so noted. If you want to say you dislike it, so noted. But don’t tell me I’m “wrong” when exact quotes from players themselves validate that cowardly element in the game.

I’ll end on an agreeable note with the one word you used in your reply I agree with—ENVY. Your darn tootin’ they were jealous...jealous of Frannie kicking their asses in the challenges!
Translation: ADS.

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3. "RE: S44 Ep. 10 Full Tilt Boogie...and it could actually happen with better casting"
Wow! You actually think you are reporting facts? Me thinks you watch too much FAUX News to think that what you write is ANYTHING close to what the players have said. I think you need a lesson in the proper manner to report facts:

« Frannie and Lauren are bellyaching »...
...the bloody morons who are incapable of realizing Tika is floating...
...Bubbleheaded Jaime is so delusional, she is beyond help...
Although being an imbecile is sadly the recipe for success to advance in the game that has shamefully slipped downhill.

These are ALL examples of your personal interpretation of what happened. Let's take them 1 by 1:

- Did Frannie and Lauren say « Let's bellyache about last night. » Of course they didn't so using the word bellyache is YOUR INTERPRETATION and a derogatory one at that.

- Did anyone say «we are such bloody morons» ? Of course not. Another personal interpretation of what you see from what is cut and spliced onto your TV. I'm sure they see what Tika is doing but, to take Danny's position for now, it is helping him so he goes with it.

Did ANYONE say Jaime was a bubblehead? Of Course not. She's a woman who was tricked by a fake idol. One mistake but it didn't hurt her so get over it. Jaime is playing well enough.

Since season 1 «Imbeciles » have advanced further in the game than players who had better informationm and used it better. Gervase was an imbecile who never realized that there was an alliance working against him yet he went further than Gretchen.
Colby was an imbecile who let « the powers that be » manage the game for him. Since he had a penis and won challenges, he became your first hero but he was a moron as we saw when he returned in later seasons. The guy NEVER cared about the game.

There were bad players who advanced in EACH SEASON after that.

While many realized that Vecepia was playing a smart «staying in the middle » game, most considered the two S4 finalists as morons. Bad editing here.

Now to get back to ADS. I will try to open your eyes to its falsehood once again: If they let Brandon, Kane and Frannie in the game and went against Jaime, Carolyn and Yam Yam that would certainly satisfy you and you would probably say the season went according to Darwin's laws of Survival. The absurdity here would be that, to obtain the result YOU desire, players would have to give a free pass to every challenge winner. The players would have to say: « Woah! Frannie can win challenges so we should bow to her and let her get to the end.» See how dumb that would be?

Or maybe it would be production that would have to come up with a new twist: Anyone who wins an individual challenge automatically qualifies for the finale. That would save your Brandons, Kanes, Frannies and even the Dietz of old days.

That, thankfully, isn't how the game is played.

If you want your strong players to make it to the end, they simply need to play smarter: make stronger alliances, don't show-off in challenges, remind people that even if they are the fastest or strongest, challenges involve skills that aren't their forté, etc... If they can't make it to the end, it isn't because the game is somehow slanted against the laws of Survival, it's just that they, like you, didn't understand which laws of Survival apply to this game.

Outwit, Outplay, Outlast isn't limited to the strong challenge players, it is actually only 1/3 of the ingredients.

I would say that almost every season, (except the ones when a final twist changed everything like for Yul in S13, Parvati in S16, Fabio in S21, Ben in S35 and Chris in S38) followed, in one way or another, Darwin's Law of Survival: " Adapt or perish ".

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4. "RE: S44 Ep. 10 Full Tilt Boogie...and it could actually happen with better casting"
Once again, what I’m reporting is what we, and the viewers, listen to and observe while watching the episodes. Many instances I’m quoting the players WORD FOR WORD. That’s not “ANYTHING close to what the players have said,” it is EXACTLY what the players have said. It should be noted, not every single solitary event commented on the board will be substantiated by an exact word-for-word quote. * snort * So, let’s not get ridiculous here. But when an exact quote from the players confirms what is being reported, it will be included in my summary.

Episode 10 opened with Lauren and Frannie complaining. That’s NOT an “interpretation,” they were complaining over being left out of the vote. “Bellyache” happens to be a synonym for complain. I’m mighty sorry you have a bug up your butt over particular verbiage. To continue our banter do I need to have a thesaurus handy so I can come up with different synonymous words that meet YOUR approval?? Geezo Peezo!

It is still my contention that the morons (less Frannie) have allowed Tika to punch three golden tickets to the Finale. We’ll pick this up prior to Finale Night to verify if that contention is correct.

I was not critical of Jaime finding the fake idol. It is believing the idol was real well after the merge when information was shared about fake idols floating around that places her in the “bubblehead” status. And it goes far beyond the fake idol. Dubbing herself the “MVP” of the game...yep, that was an EXACT quote. Referring to herself as a “power player...” another EXACT quote. Throw them all together and I stand by my assessment Jaime is a dingbat who is a ”legend in her own mind.” And yes, imbeciles advance each season because there will always be strength in numbers thanks to the vast majority Production casts are idiots.

Colby was my “first hero??” ROFLMAO! Next to Lillian in S8, who giftwrapped her million dollars to Sandra, Colby made the second biggest blunder in Survivor history to hand his million, he would have won sitting next to that annoying and unpopular cook, to Tina. Hardly, what I would qualify as “hero” status.

First off, I NEVER said challenges are the “be all and end all” of the game. It’s a very big component. Big enough that if you embarrassingly and pathetically suck at it, NO WAY should you be considered as the MILLION DOLLAR WINNER. In the same vein, if a challenge stud dominates those competitions but completely sucks in another component, I would not award that individual a million dollars either. To be given one-million dollars for ONLY 26 DAYS (instead of the initial 39) you need (at the very least) to make your mark in every component of the game. And I will NOT penalize a player when jealousy toward that player who is putting out their best effort is forced to deal with a pathetic roadblock by the other jealous players because they win challenges.

It’s not surprising how you can be such an obnoxious person at times with your question if everyone should “bow” to the player who is making the utmost of an opportunity of a lifetime. I’ll address that obnoxiousness by saying quite the contrary. Instead of "bowing" or taking the dastardly ADS approach, you compete and beat them at their game! This would be a perfect moment to eulogize the most recent passing of a former Survivor I read about this week—Keith Nale. In S31 when most of the 20-something year olds were bitching, moaning and bellyaching over Joe Anglim’s dominance, 50-something year old Keith Nale, not only went head-to-head against Joe, BUT HE ALSO PREVAILED VICTORIOUS! THAT’S how you do it!!! PROOF POSITIVE, if a competitor TWICE THE AGE of arguably one of the most noted challenge studs in Survivor can persevere, no need to take the ADS chickensh!t approach.

So, going forward, anytime in the future you may get the itch to obnoxiously ask if the other players should just “bow” or give in to a challenge stud, or sarcastically suggest winning a challenge gives one a free pass into the Finals (even though you, not surprisingly, are fine with the pathetically inept essentially having a clear path to the Finals) I will ALWAYS provide the appropriate two-word rebuttal—KEITH NALE.

RIP Keith Nale...the “giant killer.” The ANTI Anti-Darwin Syndrome castaway. If only the inept Production crew would cast more like him...

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5. "You Are Hlarious!"
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First of all: Where did Keith Nale finish? FIFTH !! So much for your hero. And how did Keith win? Because Joe fainted during the challenge. Why? Because he had been going all out as you suggested which proves it certainly isn't the best thing to do. He sprinted during a marathon and he hit the wall.

I like the fact that you acknowledge that players have to be complete players and have to shine in the multiple facets of the game.

Let's start with Frannie: Didn't you blame her for her showmance? Showing that she was in a strong pair is a fatal flaw. No ADS there.

Next Kane: I can certainly go back a few summaries and find you posting something about him being an idiot. He's a nerd who was pathetic in this social game. No ADS there.

Brandon was a NFL player so the perfect type to make you salivate but he was EXTREMELY controlling, trying to dictate everything. That's what people said. People don't like being brushed aside in discussions so they got rid of him. No ADS there.

Besides that ONE EXCEPTION you found in rummaging through 44 seasons, how do you propose someone in their fifties or a female. compete head-to-head against a Top Athlete in a physical challenge? I certainly couldn't outrun or bench-press more than Brandon no matter if I give my 200%. It would NEVER happen. What I have to do is concede those immunities and wait for one that doesn't suit him (like those darn Lilly-pads!) to get him out of the game. No ADS: Smart adaptation.


I apologize: Colby was America's hero and he certainly fit the mold of players you like at least until F3. Like I explained, his decision wasn't game-based because the moron didn't care about the game. He hated Keith. He adored Tina. That was it for his thought process. OK, he thought he could still win but that was a grave miscalculation but he was OK with it.

PS. If you did know how to look at a thesaurus you would realize that even synonyms don't have the exact same meaning. Take Bellyaching which, of course, is a synonym of complaining but the thesaurus stresses that it is
« Whining and complaining often contrived to evoke pity or shirk responsibility.
Or again; Bellyaching: complain noisily or persistently

So while synonyms, Bellyaching is of higher degree than a simple complaint. If you remember the scene, Frannie and Lauren were complaining fairly quietly which doesn't fit with the 2nd definition and they agreed to work harder to change the situation which contradicts the shirking of responsibility of the first.

Using Bellyaching suited your agenda better than using simply complaining.

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6. "RE: The sweet taste of victory!"
To have to resort to sheer pettiness by critiquing synonymous words based on how YOU personally interpret the level of expression for each word pretty much has me waving my victory banner on this thread. It’s ridiculous you would respond in such a trifling manner for your "Hail Mary."

The reason I noted Keith Nale in my reply was to respond to your obnoxious question if players should just give up and “bow” to the challenge(s) winner. Quite the contrary and Keith Nale was a pristine example. This does not make him my “hero,” but he does earn my admiration as someone who would rather meet the adversity head-on and not lazily take a half-ass cowardly approach. Keith was going "full tilt boogie" in the game just as Joe was leading up to that challenge. Keith beat him fair and square.

Actually, his fifth-place finish for a player in his 50s is excellent when you factor in Production’s age discrimination when casting. Which also explains why you do not have many other similar cases like Keith Nale as an admirable proactive alternative to the ADS—because of Production’s ineptness when casting coupled with its age discrimination.

When Heidi set the wheels in motion to vote out Brandon, she did NOT utter one word about being bossy or dictating. She wanted him out because he is “BIG & STRONG.” The following episode she spearheaded Kane’s boot to eliminate “ANOTHER BIG PLAYER.” Absolutely NO mention of him being a socially inept nerd. The consensus to vote out Frannie was because “SHE WINS TOO MANY CHALLENGES.”

Rather than acknowledge these exact quotes from the players themselves to support the existence of the ADS, you come up with other reasons that were NEVER discussed among the players as motives for eliminating a player who is “big” or “physical” or “strong” or “winning challenges,” etc. Since you are unable to substantiate your alternate claims as the real reasons for being voted out, you conveniently play the edit card. Nice try...no cigar.

AHHHHH, YES...the sweet taste of VICTORY!

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7. "The Agony of YOUR Defeat"
On the contrary, semantics are vital to any debate. If you cannot understand the subtle diffrences in meaning then you simply cannot win a debate.

As for what the players say, have you EVER heard of EXCUSES???

Was Heidi and company going to ADMIT on TV that they envied Frannie? Absolutely not.

Were they going to openly denigrate Brandon? Well Carolyne was frank enough about it but the others were not.

Anyway, I also heard them mention idols and knowing the two guys didn'thave any to vote against them.

Joe FAINTED. That's the only reason why Nale won.


On another subject, you should be DELIGHTED to learn that I quoted you in the page for Survivor Québec. There were some people complaining that the players of the first edition of Survivor Québec didn't know the game as well as the players they were also watching at the same time in our Survivor. I was happy to step in and write what my friend Aruba thinks of the players of S44. I quoted your thoughts on Carolyne, Jaime, Frannie, Matt, Heidi, etc... just to show them that bellyaching is normal when watching Survivor... Sorry, I meant to say that complaining about the morons that production casts isn't limited to Survivor Québec

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