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"The couple in the restaurant"
Snackerson 54 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 01:31 PM (EST)
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"The couple in the restaurant" |
Could it have been any more obvious that the couple fighting was planted there by SO?
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Ravenmad 8 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 03:03 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
I agree, that was my first thought. Just their camera work for one thing, but really there were many other clues.
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crazygroupiegirl 46 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 03:16 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
My husband said the same thing. I can't believe TJ though and how insensitive she was to the rest of the housemates.I can't believe she wouldn't tell them what she said to the couple.
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beckettrep 814 desperate attention whore postings
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11-25-05, 10:07 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
>My husband said the same thing.
> I can't believe TJ
>though and how insensitive she
>was to the rest of
>the housemates.I can't believe she
>wouldn't tell them what she
>said to the couple.
To go back to the table and discuss what she said to the couple would just be another form of gossip. Maybe what TJ did wasn't the best choice but at least she TRIED to handle it in an adult-like manner - unlike the rest who choose to sit around, laugh, giggle and make fun of the couple - how adult was that?? I think at Group, rather than chastise TJ, she should have been commended for her ATTEMPT to connect in an ADULTLIKE manner - maybe it could have been pointed out that maybe there were other ways to handle it better like just asked to be moved to another table or maybe ask the waitress to talk to the couple - in any case TJ should have been given some credit for her effort and THEN Rhonda should BLASTED the others for their childish behaviour. I can't believe Rhonda couldn't recognize that it was the attempt from TJ that counted - and TJ choosing to read the paper- well why not - the only conversation going on was the making fun of the other couple - I think TJ was trying to keep out of that and I don't blame her. Once she spoke to the couple I think TJ felt it was 'done' 'over' and there was no need to come back to the table and talk about - that is the way a REAL adult WOULD handle it - high school girls would gossip, ridicule, go to the table and them come and talk about THAT part of the scenario too - like patting themselves on the back for being a bad-A$$. TJ did the right thing by just letting it go.
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daymom 1 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 03:45 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
Here's my question. Was the guy of the couple on extreme makeover? I am almost positive he was one of the madeover. Anyone know? I think he is the one who hooked up with the woman being made over on the same episode.
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love 139 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 04:06 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
I think this Season the show is starting to go all about ratings, instead of what is right. I think they are t rying to boost the rating with all the unessisary drama theyare creating. If you let the ladies be they will have less, then planting situations i don't remember planting people before now. The man this season in the rest, asking Christina where he's seen her was the first I know of?
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Zhenya32 61 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 04:44 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-21-05 AT 04:44 PM (EST)Thank-you - I just wrote a ranting post about the show's ethics - would you read it and respond? I am surprised the houseguests didn't catch on that it was a setup. Especially after the thing with Christina, and several of the guys they've placed in bars in their dating exercises. But I figured right away they had to be acting because the show doesn't show the faces of anyone outside without their permission, and who would have given permission for a personal fight like that to be aired on national television?!
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EnfanTerrible 1239 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 06:51 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-21-05 AT 06:51 PM (EST)I feel like this time they wanted us to know it was a setup because the couple was miked - if they were trying to put it over on us like before, their first words would have been missed and the rest would have had to be captioned. So I think we were supposed to know right away. 
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SOwatch 35 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 11:18 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
I know what you mean, especially if you heard what they were arguing about. I think it was the guy's job. They weren't very good actors. Maybe they were part of the crew.
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speechprof 50 desperate attention whore postings
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11-21-05, 11:29 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
Regardless whether we (the audience) realized the couple was "planted" it still raises the issue of EHTICS (or lack thereof) this season. The show continues to manipulate the situation for ratings, instead of working to help the HG. No matter what the women did, they were bound to fail in this situation. TJ was just the most obvious. Had she not jumped in, maybe some of the other HG would have been called on the carpet for "laughing" at a potentially harmful situation. I think it was as set up for failure!! Shame on you Starting Over!! Anyone else agree?
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NotEnough 18 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 00:17 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
Speechprof - That's a really good point. I knew they were a plant but didn't think about the fact that, given Rhonda's approach at group, she was not going to compliment anyone. What was wrong with TJ's approach? I thought it was straight-up and compassionate. But not in improving relations with the other HGs. One poster mentioned that one of the show's creators or producers recently died. Maybe that is the cause of the recent lapse in ethics. I think they have the HGs so confused, they have no idea what's going to happen next. Yikes!
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AshLanie 895 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 06:59 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
>Speechprof - That's a really good
>point. I knew they
>were a plant but didn't
>think about the fact that,
>given Rhonda's approach at group,
>she was not going to
>compliment anyone. What was
>wrong with TJ's approach?
>I thought it was straight-up
>and compassionate. But not
>in improving relations with the
>other HGs. One poster
>mentioned that one of the
>show's creators or producers recently
>died. Maybe that is
>the cause of the recent
>lapse in ethics. I
>think they have the HGs
>so confused, they have no
>idea what's going to happen
>next. Yikes!
That was me that menioned the female producer dying, but she died half way through the first season.......that is when the show started to slowly bring in drama to what we are seeing today.
From what I read in a press release, this show was her baby and when she died the male counterpart producer took it over.
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TYWOOG 1 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 00:51 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
I think SO, Iv and Rhonda are really doing a great job in challenging the HG to reach their potential. What makes you think it was a set up for failure, what if they succeeded? That was also possible. I invite you to see what in your lives are getting triggered by this season's episodes. There may be some growth for you in your discomfort with the direction of the show.
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speechprof 50 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 01:05 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
There's a difference between challenging someone to reach their potential and manipulation for rating's sake. When the HGs are given "assignments" there's an assumed agreement to participate. The difference is the situation. When HGs are simply eating breakfast and a "plant" couple is placed in the restaurant in hopes that one of the HGs will "bite" and approach the situation the wrong way, that' manipulation for ratings. Was there actually a response to the couple that would have been acceptable? I don't think so. If TJ hadn't responded, the show would have focused on someone else's incorrect response. Learning from exercises/assignments is one thing. Manipulation for "good ratings" is another. It certainly calls into question the "ethics" of the show. At least it makes me stop and question their motives.
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flexy633 234 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 01:53 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
Quite frankly, I'm not even sure what they were supposed to learn from this exercise? To ignore drama, to not participate in it, What was the goal????
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Snackerson 54 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 08:02 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
There was no point- unless it was to make Allison feel more "uncofortable". Normal people wouldn't fight at a restuarant like that once they saw the SO cameras there. Anytime the houseguests are told that they had to go to breakfast together at a specific time they should have known.
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flexy633 234 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 12:15 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
So, the point was, "Let's see who falls for our manipulation?" What if they all sat there and said, "Oh, this is a setup....let's not fall for this b.s." And then, when Rhonda had her group session, they all said, "Sorry, Rhonda, we know you planted the people there." Hee hee, darn I wish that would have happened!
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L_11 198 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 06:47 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
>> What if they all
>sat there and said, "Oh,
>this is a setup....let's not
>fall for this b.s."
>And then, when Rhonda had
>her group session, they all
>said, "Sorry, Rhonda, we know
>you planted the people there."
> Hee hee, darn
>I wish that would have
>happened! 
I agree with you both. If it was a set-up and everyone "reacted wrong" anyway (though TJ alone took the heat).....what was the point? Oh yeah. !November sweeps! Geez, what's wrong with us?
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Zhenya32 61 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 07:38 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
Yes, I suppose sweeps, but then they missed their opportunity because it kind of fizzled out. They didn't even follow up on it except that TJ went up and talked to them--that is the only thing about the situation that Rhonda addressed in group, and she didn't make it clear what the purpose of the whole thing was. If TJ hadn't done that, it would have been absolutely boring - the SO guests hear someone fighting and it makes a couple of them uncomfortable and a couple of them catty - then they go home.So what? Seems like the show went to a lot of work to create this elaborate set-up and then didn't know what to do with it. If there really is a male producer running this whole thing, no wonder the show isn't connecting with so many of us this season. Ha! Actually, I think that these women's problems are so extreme, that I really don't relate to any of them. And the assignments are so out there, that I don't get much out of watching them. What has made the show so gripping is when you find things in the houseguests that you recognize as your own problems, and you experience it vicariously and relate to what they are going through, apply it to your own life and experience. Let's see... Have I been supported by my parents in the high life for 20 years?
Nope Been a stripper and an escort?
Nope Had a parent die in an international tragedy?
Nope Been a shoplifter and a fired radio host?
Nope Been a Southern belle who can't get angry or stop smiling?
Nope Been completely alienated and felt like I've had absolutely no friends?
Not in general, although, this is probably more of a universal experience - still to the extreme. Anyway, I know some people will relate more to these people than I do, but I think in trying to be sensational and get "interesting" people in there, they are losing the heart of the show. IMHO!
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wirelessbound 23 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 09:52 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
What was the couple point we saw them saw that they were planted when Rhonda told us and then zilch nothing more about they this could have been editted better. I think TJ was right for saying something to them it was embarrassing but she could have been more helpful and not so awkward.
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foreverhis 44 desperate attention whore postings
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11-22-05, 11:18 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
Yup the couple in the restaurant was so obviously a plant. It was very obvious since we could see their faces meaning they would have had to agree to be shown on tv. Who in the right mind would be arguing like that and then sign something saying they could be shown on a tv show? Like when the HGs are out seeling necklaces or interviewing people, some people's faces are blurred out, so you must have to agree to be shown.Anyhow, just my two cents worth. ForeverHis ><>
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atzd 83 desperate attention whore postings
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11-23-05, 04:36 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
I'm too shy, I don't know if I would've talked to the couple, but I think TJ did the right thing. It's ok to tell someone in a nice way to tone down. I think Allison should've been made to answer why she didn't go talk to them. It would've been good for her to show how she truly feels, instead of sitting there like miss nice princess, oh I don't mind, I like being annoyed, cause I like being the victim.
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nitengale166 30 desperate attention whore postings
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11-24-05, 04:25 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
I personally can't relate to the big issues as addressed in your post Zhenya but there are little bits and pieces that I do relate to ... like Jill's wheel of dreams. Never thought about my crap getting in the way like that... ( I know...well DUH!!!) but I think for many women not on TV... its the little lessons that we learn from and then are able to help the big picture.
thats just my 2 cents worth
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nitengale166 30 desperate attention whore postings
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11-24-05, 04:19 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
I agree with you totally. I don't think all these plants are doing anything for the progress of the women. Its a shame that SO has resorted to such tactics!!!
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nitengale166 30 desperate attention whore postings
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11-24-05, 04:09 AM (EST)
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21. "RE: The couple in the restaurant" |
The fact that the fighting couple had microphones for perfect audio was a BIG giveaway!!! How often do the ladies get to go out for a meal and then to not expect something out of the ordinary to happen... palease!!!
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