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Sidecar 0 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "New Member" 06-13-06, 03:04 PM (EST) "Is this show really any good?!?!" Last night was my first experience with Hells Kitchen and I must say I was not impressed! Believe me, I watch most ALL reality shows and to me, this verged on unwatchable, in fact I did not watch the second hour. First of all, what a crock that these people are real contenders to run a restaurant! Most of them can barely cook. They are obviously there for some sort of entertainment value so we can watch the different ways the chef can humiliate them as they show their incompetence. Second, Ramsey is WAY over the top, you can't understand half of what he says because it is bleeped out. And what self respecting man would allow someone to pour food into his hat? Thirdly, I am sick of the cheap FOX production values. 15 minutes of recrap before every episode, thank god for tivo so I was able to fast foward thru all that garbage. There are a lot better cooking challanges out there, this summer retread doesnt deserve my time. That bald assistant guy, I have seen him on the Food Network Challenge Show. He should be ashamed of himself to be involved in this mess. Compared to this show, Top Chef deserves an Emmy.   Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Is this show really any good?!?... bystander 06-13-06 1  RE: Is this show really any good?!?... Estee 06-13-06 2    RE: Is this show really any good?!?... Sidecar 06-13-06 4        RE: Is this show really any good?!?... Estee 06-13-06 6            RE: Is this show really any good?!?... Redbud 06-13-06 9                RE: Is this show really any good?!?... tamarama 06-14-06 12                    RE: Is this show really any good?!?... mysticwolf 06-20-06 18        RE: Is this show really any good?!?... geg6 06-14-06 10  RE: Yep! foonermints 06-13-06 3    RE: Yep! bystander 06-13-06 5        RE: Not foonermints 06-13-06 8            RE: Not bystander 06-14-06 13  RE: Is this show really any good?!?... Redbud 06-13-06 7    RE: Is this show really any good?!?... FOXmePUHLEEZ 06-14-06 11  Taking the posted criticisms a step... probably clueless 06-14-06 14    RE: But foonermints 06-15-06 15        RE: But probably clueless 06-15-06 16            RE: No worries foonermints 06-15-06 17    RE: Taking the posted criticisms a ... mysticwolf 06-20-06 19        RE: Taking the posted criticisms a ... bullzeye 06-21-06 20            RE: Taking the posted criticisms a ... mysticwolf 06-24-06 21  RE: Is this show really any good?!?... Kipp 06-28-06 22    RE: Is this show really any good?!?... volsfan 06-28-06 23    RE: Is this show really any good?!?... foonermints 06-28-06 24

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bystander 4967 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 06-13-06, 03:20 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" Yes there are other cooking competition shows out there but none of them are this much fun! Tribe did me in the sun!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-13-06, 04:16 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" LAST EDITED ON 06-13-06 AT 04:16 PM (EST) Last night was my first experience with Hells Kitchen and I must say I was not impressed! Believe me, I watch most ALL reality shows and to me, this verged on unwatchable, in fact I did not watch the second hour. Then you missed some really good instructional video on how to properly carve steaks. Also Michelle Skupin. First of all, what a crock that these people are real contenders to run a restaurant! Most of them can barely cook. They are obviously there for some sort of entertainment value so we can watch the different ways the chef can humiliate them as they show their incompetence. There's definitely entertainment value in watching Gordon go progressively insane, but I honestly believe that every one of the contestants can cook. They just can't cook to Gordon's standards. If I recall correctly, he's got a three-star restaurant back in London: very few people on the planet are capable of performing on that level. Gordon's job is not only to identify the one contestant who's most capable of learning, but to whip the group into shape so they can meet his standards -- at least, for a few selected dishes that he'll drill into them over and over again. Gordon is, first and foremost, a teacher. However, he's a teacher in the same mold as a Marine DI. If you're screwing up, you will hear about it. And if you do well, he'll give you a moment of sincere congratulations and then send you on to an even harder challenge. People learned during the first season. They also developed a ringing in their ears. So it goes. Second, Ramsey is WAY over the top, you can't understand half of what he says because it is bleeped out. He's Scottish and he's unhappy. It's no worse than your average mildly upset Brooklynite. And what self respecting man would allow someone to pour food into his hat? A reality contestant who knows the rules read 'Do what Gordon says or go home.' Self respect generally goes out the window in favor of chasing the prize. Thirdly, I am sick of the cheap FOX production values. 15 minutes of recrap before every episode, thank god for tivo so I was able to fast foward thru all that garbage. No argument here on the annoyance, but it was pretty clear to me that the premiere was never meant to be two hours, and the decision to make it so was made close to the last minute. The separate episodes could have been melded more smoothly: didn't happen, should have happened, was painful for not having happened. Even so, they've got to cut down on the recaps and precaps. There are a lot better cooking challanges out there, this summer retread doesnt deserve my time. That bald assistant guy, I have seen him on the Food Network Challenge Show. He should be ashamed of himself to be involved in this mess. Compared to this show, Top Chef deserves an Emmy. Not sure about Scott's current status, but I think that during the first-season introductions, Gordon said he'd been one of his sous' chefs for years. Personally, I like HK, but -- to each their own.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Sidecar 0 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "New Member" 06-13-06, 05:08 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" There's definitely entertainment value in watching >Gordon go progressively insane, but >I honestly believe that every >one of the contestants can >cook. They just can't >cook to Gordon's standards. Look that guy in that was sweating into the food could not possibly be a cook in any restaurant and many of the other contestants did not know basic cooking skills or have nver worked on a line in their lives! Yeah they can cook, but so can my ten year old. I would have found it a lot more interesting to see contestants that really had a shot at making it. You have got to admit that most of those duds couldnt live up to anyone standards, let alone those of a 3 star restaurant owner. >Second, Ramsey is WAY over the top, you can't understand half >of what he says because it is bleeped out. >He's Scottish and he's unhappy. It's no worse than your >average mildly upset Brooklynite Yes, point taken, but it is annoying after a while all that bleeping, it is distracting to the "show" I just think it overall it was badly produced, I can see the appeal of a Ramsey, but it was just too much back stage orchestration for my taste. At least give me the "illusion" that this is a fair unscripted contest   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-13-06, 06:01 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" or have nver worked on a line in their lives! Agreed on this part: it looks like only a few of the contestants have line experience. Tom (the heavy sweater) may have gotten in by making an audition video about his tremendous skills as a birthday party cook for his very large extended family, but line experience? No. The full audition videos would give a bit more of a clue as to why each contestant was picked -- but I think some cooking skill would have been mandatory. I just think a lot of it was self-training. As for more contestants who had a shot at making it -- 'cast to be eliminated' has been a debate for a lot of reality shows for a long, long time: are producers going for a small core that can win and victims to fill out the weeks, or do they honestly want a level playing field? It's worth noting that the winner of the first season was a chef, but one contestant whose experience was cooking for her kids made it to Final Three. However, whether she could have won... There's always a chance Gordon picked his winner from the audition tapes and we're going through an extended exercise in film consumption. We'll never know. But since reality shows operate under the rules that govern game shows, they have to at least make it look fair. Besides, sometimes, someone who was probably cast to be eliminated wins. Right, Vecepia?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 06-13-06, 08:07 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" > It's worth >noting that the winner of >the first season was a >chef, but one contestant whose >experience was cooking for her >kids made it to Final >Three. However, whether she >could have won... > And do you remember the Asian girl who, during a dinner rush, was chastised by Gordon for not having the water boiling for pasta and she explained that she put cold water in the pot saying, "I thought cold water boiled faster than hot". It was one of the few times Gordon was actually speechless!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 06-14-06, 11:55 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" >>"I thought cold water boiled faster than hot".<< Heeee! I loved that. I had an aunt who did the opposite - she filled her ice cube trays with hot water because it freezes faster. Doi! As for all the debate on who has line experience, etc...don't forget that the mix was approximately the same last year (no, I didn't go back & check) and some of the real crappers in the kitchen were the 'experienced' people. Who was that Executive Chef? Gordon said during one of this week's eps that this is a journey...kinda like ANTM...where he's going to be watching for who can learn, who's trainable, looking for growth (you should check for growths frequently).   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

mysticwolf 10692 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-20-06, 11:33 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" Your aunt was doing something that was once de rigeur for ice cubes, especially for special occassions, but she misunderstood/misremembered the reason. You fill ice cube trays with hot/boiling water not because it freezes faster, but because the resulting ice cubes are clearer. When the water is hot or boiling the impurities distill out of the water, allowing the crystals to align more closely, thereby producing a clearer, more pristine, ice cube. Puppy Lvoe from Tribe blogging's scary   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

geg6 14941 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-14-06, 09:40 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" >Look that guy in that was >sweating into the food could >not possibly be a cook >in any restaurant and many >of the other contestants did >not know basic cooking skills >or have nver worked on >a line in their lives! I agree that most of them obviously do not have extensive line experience. But that doesn't mean they can't cook. Confessionals so far seem to say that most of them have formal training, so they had to have done some line work even if it was just during training. But, as Heather showed, the more experience you have on the line, the less rattled you get when the pressure mounts. >>Second, Ramsey is WAY over the top, you can't understand half >of what he says because it is bleeped out. > >>He's Scottish and he's unhappy. It's no worse than your >average mildly upset Brooklynite > >Yes, point taken, but it is >annoying after a while all >that bleeping, it is distracting >to the "show" Well, I don't know how much experience you have with restaurant work but he doesn't seem too out of line with reality to me. I spent much of my twenties (during college and trying to start my career) working in restaurants and bars. Most chefs I've worked with are prima donnas and some of them were so good they actually deserved to act like one. Ramsey's rep qualifies him. My sister has worked in fine dining in some of the best places in the Pittsburgh area and in the Stuart/Jupiter, FL area and she could tell you that this is so not unusual. >I just think it overall it >was badly produced, All I have to say to that is, it's FUX. Goddess of the Steeler Nation   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

foonermints 12302 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-13-06, 05:02 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Yep!" Another piece o' cr@p from Fox. I couldn't wait to leave.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

bystander 4967 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 06-13-06, 05:43 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Yep!" You missed the Whammies on CBS last week. Tribe did me in the sun!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

foonermints 12302 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-13-06, 07:51 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Not" watching "Windfall" are we? I'll never get these sigpics right..   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

bystander 4967 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 06-14-06, 12:48 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Not" watching "Windfall" are we? PUH-LEEZE. Even I have standards. Gameshow Marathon   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Redbud 573 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 06-13-06, 07:49 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" Of course we're only two episodes in but these contestants don't seem to be as good as last year. There's no one who here who I want to root for. Last year I guessed the winner by the 3rd episode. This year I'm saying it will be Heather. (I'm not afraid to be wrong   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

FOXmePUHLEEZ 172 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 06-14-06, 10:55 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" Episode 2 of this season was my first time watching and I watch A-L-L the cooking shows I can. I have wanted my second profession to be in the cooking/restaurant industry. There have been two world famous chefs that have recently opened restaurants near me and I applied for the position of dishwasher. They look at me and look at my application and figure I have no self-respect or ambition. Watching Gordon, having watched Ming Sy's "Cooking Under Fire," I would not say I'm ambitionless ... I'd say COMMON SENSE kicked in. I don't AGREE with Gordon's approach, but I have rerun episode 2 three times and he is someone I could learn from. Who would have thought cutting 10 oa., servable steaks would have been so very difficult? Watching Ming Sy, who would have thought a 1/4 inch dice or fileting a fish would have been so difficult? For me, these shows are valuable. It's truly brutal to watch, but I'm learning. I agree w/the poster who said they seem to have no "line" experience. I have been the SALAD lady at a class joint and watched the line people very closely. It was like being at the symphony. The people I've NEVER envied have been the servers. I felt like the sweat-er guy when Gordon told him to serve. DAYUM! In his position, I would've had a discreetly folded sorta towel on my belt or folded across my arm and would've traded it off if I had to open a bottle or had to use it to handle something. I LOVE RESTAURANTING!!!!! Good, luck Gordon and all contestants!!! All of ya' have a world of work ahead of ya'!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

probably clueless 5782 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-14-06, 08:13 PM (EST) 14. "Taking the posted criticisms a step further" Ooooops Thanks for the heads up in OT ST, I had this thing sorted by alpha instead of date so that’s why I thought I was in a time warp. Anyway, as I mentioned, I watched the two hours. I guess I was hoping that it couldn’t keep heading anymore south with each passing minute. The killer for me was when Ramsey sent one guy out of the elimination position and brought in someone else to boot out. Sort of made me wonder why they even have the eliminations if Gordon is gonna decide who goes each week regardless of the set-up they have for the peers to assist with the elimination. For the sake of the people watching this debacle I hope that the producers are holding back on exposing the talents of at least 1/2 of the remaining group. Obviously, they all possess at least some cooking skills. The point they were making though was that one of these nitwits is going to become the executive chef of a million dollar restaurant in a billion dollar Vegas casino. A million dollar restaurant. Is that capitalized build-out? Annual projected revenue? Any idea what a million dollars builds out to in a restaurant in a hotel in Vegas? Being the executive chef of a pizza kitchen shouldn’t be too much of a challenge for this group. A million is not gonna get you a restaurant with sous chefs and line cooks. An exhaust fan for the stoves can run over $100K. That’s 10% before you even buy a stove or refrigerator. Three good cooks and a dishwasher can run a million dollar annual revenue restaurant serving glorified fast food. A million dollars is about 3K a day, 100 lunches and 200 dinners tops, definitely fewer if they include beverage revenue. Putting these kids through Ramsey’s hell is nothing more then show. I seriously doubt that a lobster/mushroom risotto will be on the menu of the new restaurant. But how exciting TV would it be to see who’s better at the fryalator then the other. From what I’ve seen none of them have any qualifications to be an executive chef. I’m gonna guess that not a one of ‘em would know how to order and stock inventory or do a cost analysis for pricing a profitable menu. Heather seems like the only one we’ve seen so far that might be able to grow into that kind of position. But I doubt she could handle the administrative stuff right out of the gate. Everyone else just seems to be some kind of cook with varying degrees of cooking competency from little to some. I’m not saying that there’s no redeeming value to putting these kids through the paces of running a fine dining restaurant, but in reality, much of the food they will be serving at the ‘million dollar’ restaurant will come portioned controlled and ready to cook. The job is going to involve a lot more controlling costs then perfecting risotto. So bottom line, I think Ramsey is gonna pick the person that can handle the pressure over their cooking skills. Handcrafted by RollDice®   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

foonermints 12302 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-15-06, 02:58 AM (EST) 15. "RE: But" You still like it, right? Handcrafted by RollDice   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

probably clueless 5782 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-15-06, 12:55 PM (EST) 16. "RE: But" Of course. I thought you knew I was as capable of being as masochistic as Ramsey is of having an apoplectic meltdown. Anyway, my opinion likely has no basis for reality on a Fox reality show. Also, there are lots of ways to get to a million in revenue. The only reason I’m thinking its gonna be quantity of meals served over quality and high price is just by looking at the contestant’s skills, or lack thereof. No restaurant owner is gonna have a pizza tosser being the chef of a fine dining restaurant. I’m basing my opinion on the known info we were provided – Executive chef and Million dollar restaurant. Executive chefs generally do more cooking of the books (sorry, a feeble little attempt there at culinary financial humor) then food. And a Burger King will do well over a million in revenue. Handcrafted by RollDice®   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

foonermints 12302 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-15-06, 02:27 PM (EST) 17. "RE: No worries" Your reputation as a scoundrel is secure. >Executive chefs generally do more cooking of the books.< So says Mr. Mints, too. His mom used to be the bookkeeper at the Bevery Hilton and later, The Palm. Sure miss those "comped" lobster dinners.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

mysticwolf 10692 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-20-06, 11:55 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Taking the posted criticisms a step further" LAST EDITED ON 06-20-06 AT 11:56 PM (EST) Hmmm... You're right. Hadn't really thought of it that way but a million dollar restaurant in Vegas, particularly in a billion dollar hotel/casino complex could be nothing more than a hotdog stand. So, now that you've pointed it out, may your insight be used in a future recrap - with proper attribution, of course? Or, better yet... Why haven't you signed up to do a recrap? You know this stuff better than anybody else I know. Hell, Dog knows I don't know what I'm doing. I'm still patting myself on the back for, evidently, correctly identifying that chunk 'o cow as a top loin. I didn't feel like looking it up (actually, I forgot to) and after I published it I was just waiting for you, or some other actual cooking type, to slap me up side the head for misidentifying the cut. Puppy Lvoe from Tribe blogging's scary   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

bullzeye 4956 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 06-21-06, 11:05 AM (EST) 20. "RE: Taking the posted criticisms a step further" Hell, Dog knows I don't know what I'm doing. I worked in the restaurant industry for years so I have some qualification to claim you did an excellent job on the first two summaries. In fact, as I stated on one of them, I really hope you do another one this season!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

mysticwolf 10692 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-24-06, 08:31 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Taking the posted criticisms a step further" Thank you for your kind words. You will get your wish. I'll be doing the next episode and, as there seem to be few takers for doing these summaries, probably more after that. Puppy Lvoe from Tribe blogging's scary   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Kipp 0 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "New Member" 06-28-06, 06:49 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" So I watched this show 3X now and I'm seriously wondering 'why' and if I'll go for a 4th. I literally was exhausted after watching the last episode. Soooooooooooo much yelling, bleeping out swear words,,,,,everyone is sweatin' buckets and they all look like they are ready to run out into the streets naked clawing chunks of hair out of their heads since they don't have the option of throwing the 'chef' up against the wall and yanking his tongue out to meet his feet! Sure some of them screw up but this chef guy has definitely got some social and leadership skills to brush up on i.m.o! Yeah I'll probably try to watch the next one just see if the chef's b.p will blow and what girl he'll end up in bed with in the end. Ha !   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-28-06, 08:53 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" Soooooooooooo much yelling, bleeping out swear words,,,,,everyone is sweatin' buckets and they all look like they are ready to run out into the streets naked clawing chunks of hair out of their heads since they don't have the option of throwing the 'chef' up against the wall and yanking his tongue out to meet his feet! This is exactly why I watch the show!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

foonermints 12302 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 06-28-06, 08:56 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Is this show really any good?!?!" Unlike Giacomo, you CAN return. *slice* *zing!* Just watch your toes..   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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