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"Jason Collins (NBA, Wizards) comes out."
Estee 56037 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-29-13, 11:30 AM (EST)
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"Jason Collins (NBA, Wizards) comes out." |
I know we have a host of 'why is this important?' responses lurking in wait here, so let's get to the reason they'll need to ignore. He's the first active male athlete to declare his sexuality. All the others came out after they were finished playing. So this is going to be the first immediate test of just how homophobic the NBA is -- when many of the players emerge from a culture where telling someone their actions are gay is the ultimate insult. Or it would be. But Jason is a free agent this offseason: 34, an aging center from the Wizards. Is every team going to use that as an excuse to not sign him? Possibly not. But couple it with this announcement, and... Silent collusion would not surprise me. And if he's still playing in November, nor would the world's hardest flagrant fouls. Which doesn't even begin to cover the fan reactions as he travels to red states and -- let's not leave this out -- Charlotte. What's the other direct line to Jackie Robinson? The possibility of having status as The First turn into record as The First Victim. Good luck, Jason. Throw punches back.
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Starshine |
04-29-13 |
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The SI article. |
Estee |
04-29-13 |
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RE: The SI article. |
Snidget |
04-30-13 |
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RE: The SI article. |
Estee |
04-30-13 |
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RE: The SI article. |
Snidget |
04-30-13 |
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kidflash212 |
04-29-13 |
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Estee |
04-30-13 |
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And the fall out ripples |
Snidget |
05-01-13 |
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RE: And the fall out ripples |
Estee |
05-01-13 |
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Podcast interview. |
Estee |
05-01-13 |
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cahaya |
05-01-13 |
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Estee |
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PepeLePew13 |
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Estee |
05-01-13 |
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aethelstan |
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Estee |
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byoffer |
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05-02-13 |
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Estee |
05-02-13 |
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kingfish |
05-03-13 |
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05-03-13 |
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Estee |
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kingfish |
05-06-13 |
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Still unsigned. |
Estee |
08-14-13 |
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Signed: Brooklyn. |
Estee |
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PepeLePew13 |
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Estee |
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Starshine 5033 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-29-13, 03:49 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Jason Collins (NBA, Wizards) comes out." |
The BBC had an interview with John Amaechi who said that while he was playing the players were fine, it was the administrators that were the problem.Personally I think it more likely that opposing fans will be the issue, generally they aren't known for their subtlety. "Two Andy Gorams, there's only two Andy Gorams..." - Kilmarnock fans to the Rangers keeper after he had been diagnosed with mild schizophrenia.
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Estee 56037 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-30-13, 12:11 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: The SI article." |
I did add Alphonso Smith and Mike Wallace to my personal boo list, so this at least brought some more of the jerks out of their own closets. Thanks for the helpful hints, guys! And here we have Chris Broussard of ESPN, who feels (among other things, all said on the air) you can't be openly gay and a true Christian because you're automatically and forever an unrepentant sinner. And he also said Jason was in, and I quote, "open rebellion to God." I wonder if he can be openly hateful and employed. Probably -- ESPN's apology wasn't exactly glowing with shame and they just hired Ray Lewis, so their rep is hardly spotless to begin with -- but we all know what he is now too. Let the discrimination begin. Sorry, Chris: your deity loves you, but a lot of other people are going to spit in your face. (He has since tried to 'clarify' his comments. Too late, bigot. And he said all this in front of LZ Granderson. Honestly, it just keeps getting funnier.) I found the list of NBA players who tweeted their support to be an interesting one -- as well as who hadn't. (Broussard claims many are on his side. Naturally, he gave no names. What, no martyr creation?) Silence doesn't mean lack of acceptance for every occasion, but the names who have yet to speak may include a few who kept quiet because they knew anything said would create more articles than the original announcement. Incidentally, given Jason's journeyman status, he's shared a lot of locker rooms. As he put it, this is Three Degrees Of Jason Collins: no one in the NBA can now claim they don't know any gay males. Some of them are probably still trying.
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cahaya 19104 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-01-13, 02:13 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Podcast interview." |
What are the odds? Given the national GLBT population, surely there are more guys and gals in pro sports still playing under the gaydar.
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aethelstan 4383 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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05-01-13, 01:55 PM (EST)
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I applaud him for his courage and will applaud even harder if a team hires him knowing that he is gay. That would make quite the statement. Of course, I hope that we soon get to a point where this is a non-story in the sense that everyone thinks it's no big deal if there are players who are gay on their team.
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kingfish 16844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-03-13, 08:32 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Jason Collins (NBA, Wizards) comes out." |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-13 AT 08:34 AM (EST)Minor change: ”Single Most Perfect Sucker Punch”. From an aesthetic point of view, that punch was a thing of beauty. One might say, the perfect punch. But it was also an over the top, purposeful, and probably premeditated (by a few moments, at least) assault by one of the most intimidating characters in the game at the time (Rudy was also not a small man, a center I think (?), and not unused to getting physical in a game). He and Kermit have shaken hands, for the press at least, but there are a lot of Rocket fans that would still not be unhappy to see Kermit suffer eye for an eye (substitute for that what you will) retribution. I think I agree point by point about Jason. Except, after watching several seasons of D-league ball as season ticket holder, that talent pool isn’t that deep. I think that inspite of his lesser by comparison skills, that Jason will not face the overt wide spread hatred that Robinson saw. That's pretty obvious, but it does show that society does progress, albeit in a longer time frame that we would like.
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AyaK 10309 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-03-13, 07:37 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Jason Collins (NBA, Wizards) comes out." |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-13 AT 07:38 PM (EST)I'm going to leave Kermit and Rudy alone and focus on Jason Collins for the moment. Why is this a big deal? This isn't a young upstart like Jackie Robinson -- most of the players in the NBA know and like Jason Collins. If you wanted to pick the most perfect person to come out, the person who would inspire the least backlash for so doing, Collins -- from Harvard-Westlake HS (the rich private school) in LA and Stanford U., who was engaged to a WNBA pro (and Stanford classmate) for years -- would be the #1 choice from central casting. Despite Estee's raves, this is nothing more than a dog and pony show. There isn't a place in the NBA where Collins wouldn't be welcomed by his teammates or the fans -- including Utah, where his twin brother Jarron played for almost a decade -- despite his declining skills. Had this been, say, LeBron, the reaction might be very different. But Jason Collins is so vanilla that even Jarron didn't know about Jason's sexuality until this announcement.
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Estee 56037 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-03-13, 07:55 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Jason Collins (NBA, Wizards) comes out." |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-13 AT 08:09 PM (EST)No, this is a dog and pony show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9I_04itSkU (I am not whining: I am complaining. Do you want to hear whining?) He will not be welcomed by all of his teammates or all of the fans, and some places will be worse than others. As the saying goes, if you're holding out for universal acceptance, please stand by -- forever. He may have less difficulty than some and I'm not sure how anyone feels about 'vanilla' here, but the backlash will show up -- somewhere. Possibly the upper deck, or at least upper management. I don't know about #1 choice from central casting. Central Casting would have liked to get an All-Star. In fact, Central Casting would like Michael Jordan to be using his second wedding as A Great Big Bearded Lie. And then go back to playing. Tomorrow. Surely the Bulls have an exemption for just such an occasion. Regardless, Jason is The First. And The First terrifies people -- every time. Because unless they find a way to stop it, The First is followed by The Second -- and beyond. Jackie Robinson is an exception. Larry Doby is a trend.
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kingfish 16844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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28. "RE: Signed: Brooklyn." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-25-14 AT 10:18 AM (EST) OK. Fine. Granted, there is terrible discrimination against multi-million dollar gay men in pro sports.
Women too, I'm sure. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/photo/texas-woman-tackles-boundaries-pro-football-team-n37671 (Not implying that this woman is or isn't gay, just that this is another area for discrimination) No argument, it isn't just, it shouldn't be allowed, and we should rail against it as long as and anywhere it exists. But if you really want a mega-dung heap to explore, http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/world/africa/uganda-anti-gay-law/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2 I know that this is a Sports Forum, so I should stick to the subject. But... I hope that being gay in Uganda is a good enough reason for the granting of asylum into the US and Canada. And other places of refuge. And that brings up the only possible good that might come from those laws, which is that certain evangelicals (among others) might leave and migrate to Uganda.
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Estee 56037 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-25-14, 11:00 AM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 02-25-14 AT 11:04 AM (EST)There's been Uganda discussion in OT all along, including details on how U.S. evangelicals partially funded and wrote the law in the first place -- because they'd given up on getting it passed in the States and really wanted a truly Christian country on the private map. I'd add a dark note on how TPers are no doubt writing statutes to prevent such rescue immigration, but I don't think they have to. Trying to leave Uganda is probably a crime in itself. CNN has an interview with Uganda's president. I will not watch it. As for getting rid of our fundies, they're more likely to move into Russia, which allows you to legally fire someone if they practice a faith you don't like. Also, more white people. Sports is important in these matters because sports is how people root for those different than they. Hate the skin color, hate the faith, hate everything and everyone who isn't just like you -- but you still want the Dodgers to win. The most hardcore leave their team behind. For the rest, it's a first step. And thus the perpetual attempts to slam doors before any opening can be stepped through. Back on topic... apparently Mr. Sams didn't do too well at the combine yesterday. Clowney did, but no one knows if he cares to keep it up. And one prospect left early because according to him, his deity told him that if he departed, he would get picked by the Seahawks. Very specific deity he's got there.
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