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"Penn State- Moral Obligations?"
Breezy 18379 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-08-11, 01:40 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
And I agree with you Estee, this story is going to get worse.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-08-11, 04:24 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
Before I read your initial article, I was going through the one linked below. And it made me think about the Catholic Church (or nearly any church, potentially) and its similarities with Penn State. Two monolithic institutions seemingly invulnerable to the mere idea of change, both promising that if you live your life by the rules they set and example they claim to provide, everything will work out. Both of which will do anything to keep that image intact because the appearance is what keeps the money flowing and as soon as a single crack appears in the armor, goodbye to the loyal devotees dropping their funds into your collection basket.The main difference here may ultimately turn out to be 'The Pope never resigned.' Never considered it either. And couldn't be forced out. But as for covering things up, ignoring it as long as possible, doing anything it took to make sure the money kept coming and the image stayed intact -- identical to the last scream. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state Maybe 'image' is the wrong word here. 'Idol' might be better. Idols fall... ...and then I read the article you linked to. Saw everything I'd been thinking reflected back at me in the words of another. Is it that transparent? Are we all tapping the same well? Or does the urge to worship virtually always wind up leading to things which don't deserve it? I don't believe anything can make Paterno resign. I do think he can be forced out. And for knowing what he did, and acting as he did... What he personally deserves is 'worse'. I just don't know if it's coming.
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kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-08-11, 06:41 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I've always admired Joe Paterno and Penn State, but he, his staff and whoever had anything to do with this in the Atheletic department and the administration, as well as those who should have known, should go. And should be prosecuted.Now, if we can only get the Pope, bishops, and all underlings in the Catholic church to resign and be prosecuted, we might just be making some progress, and can make a charge into the Protestants. Oh, and the Mormans, can't forget the Mormans.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 07:01 AM (EST)
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7. "Rally at Paterno's house." |
To continue our metaphor, you always get a hardcore group of fanatics who don't care who gets hurt as long as they personally get to lord it over everyone else.
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KeithFan 7414 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 10:12 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
Wonder what Spidey would have to say.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 11:42 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
She wouldn't have been one of the three hundred on the lawn proving how badly a group can interpret Bon Jovi.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 11:48 AM (EST)
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10. "The slow-out." |
Paterno will leave -- after the current season ends. Which means he gets another home game, to hear his supporters chant their idiot sympathy, and to generally be treated like an abused hero with a chance of having any and all detractors removed from the stands, the press room and, based on what people are now starting to wonder about the vanishing of the original prosecutor, possibly existence.It's been noted that last night, he asked those on his lawn to pray for the victims. Not the alleged victims. Not the possible victims. The victims. Period. Plural. I wonder if he did the same thing after he let the molester stay on. I wonder how many times he repeated the act. Legal is reporting it. Moral is stopping it.
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samboohoo 17076 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 12:11 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-09-11 AT 12:11 PM (EST)"Forget about telling Paterno when to retire. Nobody can tell Paterno anything, because he is Joe Paterno." There are a lot of things I'd like to tell Joe Paterno. Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 01:41 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
{dark}Well, that's how you keep your football scholarship: you can only question a coach's actions to the head coach, and you can only question the head coach to your deity.{/dark}I'd call him a coward for not acting, but I've been calling him a lot worse over the past few hours. And if you want to make it even worse, imagine you're that kid, helpless, violated, praying against all hope that help will arrive, seeing it walk in -- and turning away from you. What's worse: just following orders to cause tragedy, or going off in search of a few before considering whether to stop it?
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 02:09 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I guess I'm sympathetic to everyone here except Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno, the local authorities and the Penn State board of trustees.I understand the grad assistant's actions perfectly. He saw a crime being committed and told Paterno. He also told the grand jury about it, when everyone else pled ignorance. But you have to keep in mind what his role was with the team: he was basically a volunteer, a former player one year out of undergrad, hoping to get a paid job as an assistant coach. If he went to the police, his entire future went out the window. He had to depend on Paterno to do the right thing. But that's not in Paterno's playbook. Everybody who ever played at Penn State respected Jerry Sandusky. There really was only one thing for the kid to do: tell Paterno. And that's where things go off the track, because all the stories indicate that Paterno told "higher-ups" at Penn State, and the local authorities claim to have bought into that concept. The problem with those stories is that there wasn't anyone higher up at Penn State than JoePa (note that the popular abbreviation of his last name is also the popular abbreviation of the entire state). The idea that the AD is above Paterno and could have reported Sandusky to the police if Paterno didn't want him to and still kept his job? Ridiculous! Paterno totally dominated the board of trustees as well. Ultimately he made the decision not to report Sandusky. Pretending that anything else was the case is silly. It's really like Ohio State president Gordon Gee's comment about Jim Tressel -- that he wasn't looking to fire Tressel; he was just hoping that Tressel didn't fire him. But ultimately OSU had to fire Tressel . . . and what Tressel was covering up wasn't even a crime. I expect that PSU will ultimately be sued for damages in this case AND pay them. Despite this horrific crime, I expect that the Board of Trustees will allow Paterno to coach this week's home game against Nebraska, and Paterno's retirement/dismissal will then become effective after the game, despite Paterno's stated wish to go out at the end of the year. Thus, be prepared for a JoePa love-in at Happy Valley on Saturday . . . followed about a month later by an indictment.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 06:41 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-09-11 AT 06:42 PM (EST)Hobbs, you know more about this than I do, so I looked up the data on the graduate assistant after reading your post. The graduate assistant (now assistant coach) in question is Mike McQueary (you can imagine what kind of hazing he got with that name!), who was a backup QB at Penn State, graduating in 1998. He grew up in State College, Pennsylvania. He was also, supposedly, friends with Jerry Sandusky's son Jon, who was his teammate in both high school and college. After graduation, he went to training camp with the Oakland Raiders but was cut, then played in NFL Europe with the Scottish Claymores for the 1999 season. He came back to Penn State and spent three years (2000-2002) as an unpaid graduate assistant with the Nittany Lions. In 2003, Paterno hired him as an administrative assistant, and in 2004, he became receivers coach, eventually adding the recruiting coordinator position as well. It's nice that so many of you are confident that you would have reacted like a comic-book hero in the circumstances. But I know that I wouldn't have. I would have been shocked and horrified, but I also would have wondered if I really saw what I thought I saw. I certainly wouldn't have confronted Coach Sandusky under the circumstances. Today, I would have filmed it using a digital camera, so that I could turn the evidence over to the police -- but I would have never tried to break it up. Then, it just becomes my word against his, and I probably lose that battle against this widely-respected coach. Who knows what the boy would have said? Heck, I could be the one headed for jail. Under the circumstances, McQueary told his dad and had his dad go in with him to see Coach Paterno. You know Jerry Sandusky probably told Paterno that none of this happened and that McQueary was confused about what he saw and reckless to accuse him of something like this. Yet Paterno and the university knew that Sandusky had already been investigated once before for possible child molestation, back in 1997. The real question was this: did anyone from Penn State take McQueary's claims seriously enough to even investigate this second possible offense by Sandusky? The answer is no, because the university doesn't even know the name of the child that McQueary saw being assaulted, even after McQueary reported it. So how could McQueary have done anything that would have achieved a different result? Maybe Spider-Man or Batman could have, but that's not living in the real world.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 07:10 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-10-11 AT 02:28 PM (EST)No matter how much I look this over, it keeps coming across as 'We'll never be able to convict him on attempted murder, so the only way to get justice is by letting him kill you.' Maybe some people don't think in terms of heroics, but in this example, going with the legal I Must Gather Evidence To Prove The Case is hard to see as an improvement. Besides, this could be DNA vs. 'but the footage was clearly altered to frame my client'. Which one would you rather leave in the hands of the typical idiot jury? Doesn't matter: they'll acquit on both. On the other hand, I now have a nice graveyard SNL sketch. 'I'm sorry, but I forget my camera. Can you keep the molestation going until I get back?' It's an emotional case and therefore an emotional reaction. But I wouldn't be able to stand back and let it keep happening. The battle cry for the prosecution in this case would have to be 'Change in venue!', wouldn't it? Imagine trying to get a neutral jury in that town.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-09-11, 07:17 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I suspect there was that shock, and it is hard to know if one could, in the moment, spring into action.I also don't know what the workplace environment was like and how that could effect an initial reaction. I doubt the initial thought was "I could lose my job and career", but more of a "what the heck what should I do". Sounds like he did try to handle it responsibly and again I don't know how far out of chain of command he was willing or able to go. There could have been "it was reported so drop it, or else" type of pressure afterward. I do agree that it really looks bad that he stayed there rather than getting a job elsewhere, but I don't know which set of pressures the guy was under and I'd like to think I'd immediately sacrifice everything, sometimes it isn't as easy and shocked inaction is a perfectly normal initial response to something shocking, and we don't know the man's background or how that could have effected reactions both in the moment and later.
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HobbsofMI 15959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-10-11, 10:17 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-10-11 AT 11:36 AM (EST)Please spare me the comic-book hero stuff. Use your judgment as a human beaning instead of thinking like a lawyer. He walked in made eye contract with both of them and said he knew when he looked into the kids eyes he was in trouble. Jerry didn't stop and was continuing to rape the kid as he turned and left. McQueary is 6-3 and 220 lbs and there is not threats for his personal safety if he acted. Yes, I've step in when I've seen things before, yes I do assess the situation for my own personal safety before stepping in or calling the police, and would do it in this case. Why would your own dad say go talk to Joe instead of calling the police? Why would you not follow up when all they did was take his keys to the locker room? Why would you let the next kid and the next kid be raped and scared for life while you let for life go on it's merry way. How could you live with yourself knowing that he was doing this over and over? If he wanted his "claim" to be taken seriously he should have stopped the rape and thus you have the kid, DNA, etc. We are not talking about adults but rape and kids. I've been a part of a gang rape case at college but a kid takes it to a whole new level. My last question is why didn't he get fired yesterday too? GO WINGS! 2008 Stanley Cup Champs! sig Snidget and by IceCat, and bobble head by Tribephyl
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PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-10-11, 01:21 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I have no problem with what McQueary did - he did the right thing in my mind to discuss it with his father, then they made the decision to go and tell JoePast. He showed concern and made a move to do something about it - this is where JoePast failed because he was the "top dog" while McQueary was just a grad assistant at the time so he didn't have the gravitas that Sandusky had.Let's say McQueary intervenes and the boy runs off safely. What do you think is going to happen? Sandusky is going to have McQueary railroaded right out of town because he was "well-respected" in the community and on the team at the time. Suppose he also physically intervened between the boy and Sandusky? If Sandusky was careful enough to not leave physical evidence, then McQueary is going to jail for assault on a "well-respected" member of society. By discussing it with his father and then taking the step to follow the protocol in place, that was the best way McQueary could not only protect himself but also have a trail of paperwork somewhere along the process to show documentation of the assault. The police did their part to undergo an investigation that led to a grand jury and eventually leading to charges placed against Sandusky. What McQueary could have done, I agree, is to follow up on the case and see whether anything more was done with the case, but really, he was low man on the totem pole so he had far more to lose than to gain if he pushed the issue. By contrast, nobody's more powerful than JoePast and if he wanted to find out more about the case or see a certain outcome, he had ways of making things happen. He chose to sweep it under the rug and keep Sandusky around on campus with the full knowledge the latter was being investigated for child molestation.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-10-11, 02:54 PM (EST)
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39. "And to top it off:" |
Hockey already had this nightmare in their collective midst. Some of the victims of that one have already come forward to offer advice and assistance to those of the current tragedy. By the way, that particular piece of human-shaped refuse received a pardon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_James_%28ice_hockey%29 As long as we're at it, let's throw in some extra fun: Sandusky operates a multi-million dollar charity designed to assist at-risk youths. And what does that potentially do? Puts him in contact with potentially thousands of vulnerable kids every year while allowing him to hold an extra element of blackmail over their heads: say anything and the help stops. A never-ending victim supply bringing itself to his doorstep every year. How much worse would you like this to get?
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newsomewayne 9065 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-10-11, 05:01 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
And McQueary was forced to keep working there how? If he had felt even a bit of remorse, could he not have at least gotten a job elsewhere and left the whole mess behind? What was he thinking, if he's sticks around maybe he can keep an eye on Sandusky and ask him nicely not to do it again?Sorry, Pepe, but your argument holds less water than a sieve. I could still work around people who I know have done lots of things I disagree with - drive drunk, fudge on taxes, vote Democrat - but I think I'd have to draw the line at boy-rape. Even if you thought the best thing you could do was let your boss know, don't you think you might get suspicious when, after a couple days, the police don't show up to hall Sandusky away? That maybe, just maybe, the matter wasn't being handled by your bosses the way it should have been and you should speak to someone else about it? You say the kid might never be seen again. I'd be willing to bet Estee's car that this child was part of the Second Mile program and that it would not be hard for McQ and the police to go through records and pics until they found him.
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PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-10-11, 08:47 PM (EST)
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62. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-10-11 AT 09:46 PM (EST) Yeah I see it all the time - I work with a lot of people who are in abusive situations, deal with court situations, do a lot of crisis counseling, run personal development workshops myself, helped two former students write letters for their victim impact statements in the class-action lawsuits involving sex abuse at Jericho Hill School for the Deaf and the Amherst School for the Deaf, and other situations, so don't think that I'm unsympathetic in any way at all and I share everyone's outrage over the PSU situation.
But. I also have seen all kinds of politics going on and I also know that if it was a situation where it was some strange person or some lower level person doing this, I'd have no hesitation whatsoever in stepping in and dealing with the situation. If it was the coordinator of my program doing this, I'd knock him right onto his ass and drag him away by the nuts. But if it was, let's say, my boss (one of the most senior deans and a very powerful guy) in this situation, I would have to take a moment to figure out how to handle this and my first immediate reaction would be to talk to my coordinator about what to do - the boss has that kind of gravitas within the college that when he speaks, everyone stops what they're doing. I'd have handled it differently from McQueary, no doubt, but considering who it is, my first step likely would be to take a video with my phone's camera and to ensure there is a trail of evidence of my actions recorded with various people and yes, with the police, so I don't get thrown into jail and/or fired for daring to go up against the big guy (Shoving him away from the kid? I'd be charged with assault when the cops show up and they'd believe him over me any time). When you've seen the situations that I've seen and the result of court cases involving some of my learners/clients, you'd learn to dot all the i's and cross the t's before jumping into anything like that. I would be willing to bet that if McQueary saw some strange guy he didn't know doing this, he'd step in immediately and take the guy on directly. But it's Sandisgusky (thanks Moonie for that name), who is JoePast's right hand man and was the heir apparent to the head job until his retirement. Not just any chump. If PSU is anything at all like the typical campus (I work on a college campus), it'd take 15 minutes for the campus security to arrive and longer for the real cops to show up. Sandisgusky would have been out of there by then and the kid gone as well.
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PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-11-11, 11:46 AM (EST)
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72. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I understand the timeline perfectly. Jerry is a 'protected' guy within the football buildings - there's a network of some degree where certain higher ups are protecting him despite the investigation in progress since 1998. He's got an office and full access to the facilities even though he was 'retired' as of 1999. I added in the heir-apparent part to show how he was viewed as respected within the community - did most people within the football program even know that Jerry had already been under investigation at the time in 2002?And you're missing my point about McQueary being 28 and bigger than a 57 year old Jerry. It has all about who has the so-called power and leverage within the program. In my example in the post above, I'm bigger than both my coordinator and my boss, but the boss is someone I won't immediately jump on because of the potential ramifications out there in the college. Let's say McQueary *does* jump on Jerry there in the shower to break up the assault. Then what? It's 2002, so I'd say the odds are decent that an unpaid grad student like him didn't have a cellphone then. How does he call police if he's sitting on top of Jerry? Locker rooms don't have phones. The locker room was likely empty with no other people around besides McQueary, or he'd probably have been more emboldened to bring someone in to deal with the situation on the spot. You're responding to this case in an emotional manner and I'm looking at this from the voice of experience in being practical. I need to think of what steps would need to be taken to better guarantee that someone like Jerry is stopped instead of being put into a bad situation myself and consequently I'm screwed while Jerry continues to run amok. How do I make sure that Jerry is the one that gets screwed by the legal system instead of me? There's a tacit approval of what Jerry is doing (by JoePast's and Curley's failure to follow up on the allegations), so Jerry has the leverage of power here. If I am found holding a naked Jerry in the shower with the kid long gone when the police comes, what do you think is going to happen? Think about it. We live in a litigious society where frequently the defender has the tables turned around on him - and for chrissakes, we found out that two cops let a naked, crying teenage boy go back to Jeffrey Dahmer! Just to name one example... It's nice to see that you have complete confidence in the police to take care of the situation assuming that McQueary promptly calls them. Frankly, I don't.
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zipperhead 3442 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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11-11-11, 03:12 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
Look, I really do understand what you're saying. McQueary may have thought that he had no recourse. It is all rational the way you put it. But that's exactly how sexual harassment at the workplace is allowed, too. Should no one ever do anything about that?If you walk in on someone getting raped, you interrupt the rape. Period. You don't justify it. You don't debate yourself over it. You don't wonder what anyone else is going to do or say. You do what you need to do get that penis out of the victim's body. Period. If it is three or four guys on one victim, or one armed perpetrator, you wait for the victim to be free (if they are allowed to live) and you take them to the police. Between you and the victim, it is a substantiated report. Call the FBI if you don't trust the local police. Do something to stop that rape and prevent future rapes. Letting someone get raped is immoral, unprofessional, wicked and should be punishable by jail time. I'm tired of the excuses. McQueary saw a young boy being raped, he had the pyhsical capabiloity of stopping it, the boy would not have just run off naked, so there would have been two people telling the police why Sandusky is lying naked and unconscious in a shower. There is no acceptable excuse - none - for seeing someone getting raped and not doing the right thing.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-11-11, 04:50 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I get the sentiment...I just wonder if the guy might be an adult survivor of molestation (or other type of trama). Just because that could cause that freeze reaction and "just get out of here" response once he could move again. It isn't that unlikely and just the initial response sounds more like that then a guy cold and calculating enough in the moment to go "what will this do to my career" while watching a molestation. I could be wrong and he could be that soulless, but I do wonder if he's got a history that effects responses even well into adulthood. Especially with being able to tolerate continuing to work there. Was listing to Dr. Drew on HLN and that type of freeze response is really common in kids with some trauma or neglect and is one of the the things effective pedophiles would test for when screening which of the boys at, let say a charity like the one in this story, to abuse. Now not everyone will freeze, even with survivors, but I'm just aware enough of that to give the guy that benefit of the doubt until I get real evidence he's just another psychopath that didn't care and only tried to cover his own legal responsibilities.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-11-11, 05:10 PM (EST)
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77. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I dearly hope you and/or the doctor didn't just give his inevitable PR agent an excuse.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-11-11, 06:12 PM (EST)
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83. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
Well the Dr. was talking mostly about what they knew from the reports about how Sandusky would have selected kids from that charity and why they would be "good prey".I don't think that tells predators much they don't already know, nor does the knowledge that certain types of trauma causes problems. Dr. Drew has seen that same freeze response that abused kids have continue long into adulthood depending on the trauma, how it hit, and what, if any, treatment a person has gotten. What I don't know is what kinds of people predators gather around as the other adults to look the other way. Sounds like he did have "fellow predators" but you don't want too many of those, I'd think you'd need a fair number of clueless or likely to go into denial and stay quiet types. Sure some people can stay quiet because the goodies they get are more important than the damage to someone else that may be going around. I just think statistically there are a lot more damaged to the point they won't talk (or won't keep pushing if they get any blow back) types than so narcissistic or lacking empathy they can't care about anyone types. Now if the dude gets interviewed I think it will be a lot clearer if we are talking someone who is easy to cow/naive vs has some history that made him freeze, or just plain evil. I just don't know enough at this point to make the determination of his motive in the shower room. I'm pretty clear that after the fact that he was a "keep it in house" type for whatever reason probably did make him much more likely to get a job long term in the organization than someone else who might have been more likely to go to the cops, but how much was his diabolical plan and how much was the way the system works is up for debate, IMO.
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11-11-11, 05:56 PM (EST)
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81. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-11-11 AT 06:16 PM (EST)I think it really depends on which reaction they have and what healing they have done. A lot of people disassociate when stuff happens and the denial from that can be pretty strong. If people avoided further trauma at all costs you wouldn't see victims become predators or abused people going from one abusive relationship to the next. Now he could just be yet another sociopath/psychopath, but I'm not willing to go there, yet. There is a reason predators go to charities where you have kids with traumatic histories, and that isn't because they are predominately scream loudly and run like heck the first time anyone does something a little untoward. Now they do sort through them to find the ones with the reactions that make them easier to abuse again, but I don't think it is true everyone becomes immediately and loudly adverse to bad things, and normal people with good histories just shrug and let it happen. ETA: At least at this point I'm more likely to put my rage on Sandusky and the people that got the reports and covered it up more than the one guy that at least did the legal minimum and spoke up, even if it wasn't as effective as other actions may have been.
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11-10-11, 11:15 AM (EST)
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30. "RE: Forced out ... NOW" |
The university had better find a new president who can beat the bushes for alumni donations. They'll need something to pay the lawsuits with. About the money. Lots and lots of it. Plenty there to satisfy any tort lawsuits. And when comparing revenue to total expenses, Penn State football's profit of $53.2 million was second only to the University of Texas' total of $71.2 million. Penn State reported an additional $24.1 million in athletic revenue not specifically assigned to one team or sport. Much of that is in general merchandise sales and sponsorships, and much of that revenue was driven by the popularity of football, said Ganis. That money is more at risk in the near term than the school's long-term contracts for television coverage, its membership in the Big 10 Conference and the like. Ganis said perhaps the most significant near-term dollar risk for Penn State is the damage the scandal -- which cost Hall of Fame coach Joe Paterno his job -- could do to fundraising, which is not included in the reported athletic department revenue.
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11-10-11, 03:12 PM (EST)
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40. "So he's the half-man!" |
Warning: non-PG13 language ahead.http://tinyurl.com/readthenewsfirst But to his credit, at least he did something most aren't capable of: admitted he'd been stupid. Even so -- listen carefully and you'll hear the echoes of Charlie Sheen laughing...
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11-10-11, 04:27 PM (EST)
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43. "Contrast McQueary with these kids" |
On Friday, November 4th, an unknown assailant aggressively grabbed a 12-year-old female student outside of a bathroom at George Washington Carver Middle School, while she was waiting for a classmate -- in broad daylight.The man "forcefully pull her while making a sexual remark," states the LAPD. The young girl fell to the ground and began screaming as the attacker dragged her approximately 15 feet from where he had initially approached her.The classmate she was waiting for, along with two additional 7th grade male students, ran towards the attacker and joined the struggle. According to the LAPD, the girl's peers demanded that the man release her. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/george-washington-carver-_n_1084338.html A Slice of Manga
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11-11-11, 11:00 AM (EST)
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70. "RE: Baord says McQueary will not be coaching on Sat." |
bc of threats against him....he's still working there? He must have something on all them like...they told me NOT to go to the police
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11-10-11, 05:17 PM (EST)
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56. "Child Abuse Laws" |
According to what I've found at a couple of websites regarding state statutes, in most states a witness to child abuse is obligated by law to report it. I have been looking specifically for PA statutes whenever I get a chance because I find it hard to believe anyone could walk away from seeing something like that and not report it to the authorities. Especially at a school. Gah.
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11-11-11, 05:02 PM (EST)
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76. "RE: Child Abuse Laws" |
When I was in FL & taught Child Care Classes to staff, the law was clear. You could tell your boss but that never relieved you of the responsibility of reporting it to the police. If the boss didn't call the police, the law required that you call.
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11-10-11, 05:24 PM (EST)
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58. "Missing D.A." |
I'm hearing that the D.A. who investigated this story disappeared several years ago. ::boggle::
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11-10-11, 08:50 PM (EST)
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63. "RE: Missing D.A." |
Like I was saying above... JoePast knows everything that goes on within campus. Not saying he or anyone close to him would do or did anything like this, but it wouldn't surprise me one tiny bit if news come out at some point that "someone" arranged for Gricar to disappear.
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11-10-11, 09:00 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Missing D.A." |
Especially with the rumors that there may be a bigger criminal conspiracy to traffic in boys. Anytime you start getting something like that networked the more likely, IMO, there is for someone to decide they need to disappear someone to protect themselves/their network.
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11-11-11, 01:54 AM (EST)
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68. "RE: Missing D.A." |
It makes you wonder who could be in that network, if it exists. The rumors mentioned rich alumni members, which could mean some well-known people at least in business circles, possibly political circles, heck even legal circles. People with a lot of money and power to lose. Bumping off a busybody who knows too much might be seen as an unpleasant, but necessary, course of action to maintain their silence. Dead men tell no tales.
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11-11-11, 06:06 PM (EST)
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82. "McQueary now on adminstrative leave." |
But if you want to make yourself ill, read down to "horsing around".http://tinyurl.com/6vfu2ln Pity about the cinderblock pieces through his window. Pity they didn't land on his testicles.
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11-13-11, 01:14 PM (EST)
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91. "RE: McQueary may be fireproof." |
I'm still trying to figure out why in all this the guy blowing the whistle seems to get more hate than Sandusky or the people with the power to cover it up.Could he have done more, quite probably, would his voice alone with all the cover machinery in place gotten a prosecution years earlier, I'm doubtful. Some of his latest behavior makes me not very supportive of him (the double fisting alcohol comment to the players--that is inappropriate, http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/11/mike-mcqueary-protective-custody-double-fisting/#.Tr_6m-DZJ0I), but I still feel that more of my rage should be directed elsewhere. Heard some interviews with Sandusky's co-authors and friends and seems all anyone can say is what a wonderful human being he was, so kind and giving and just amazing. *blarf* Somehow I fear he's still going to come off smelling like a rose while anyone that spoke up against him is going to be tarred forever.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-13-11, 12:40 PM (EST)
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90. "Paterno's Medal Of Freedom revoked." |
Oh, and as long as I'm posting... (Just to collect the nightmare into a single scream for a few seconds.) The FBI will get involved because Sandusky reportedly took one of the kids across state lines (to the Alamodome). This includes investigation the accusations that children were being sold. The allegations now date back 10 1994, with that victim having tried to commit suicide. And I had the anti-joy of listening to Penn State defenders on radio call-in shows today. They did not seem to be trolling. They sounded very serious. And anyone accusing JoePope, the school, anything at all, is acting on no evidence whatsoever and should be censored immediately and permanently. We have yet to sight the bottom of 'worse'. I'm beginning to wonder if there is one.
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11-14-11, 09:42 AM (EST)
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94. "RE: Paterno's Medal Of Freedom revoked." |
In a sense, I can almost understand some of the fans' reactions. I'm sure there has to be a deep, deep sense of denial that any of this could be true about their beloved JoePa. And that whatever the truth is about Joe, his treatment (firing, et.al.) is grossly unjustified. And I'm certain that they (at least, most) are just as horrified of the child rapes as the rest of us. It's the connection to Paterno that kills them. To give it another school's perspective, it would be how must of us would feel if it were discovered that Holly Warlick and Mickie DeMoss were running a dog fighting ring in Coch Pat Summitt's backyard while she watched from her kitchen window. It would crush our views and expectations of Pat. Reactions would be off the charts and unpredictable.Now, to say I understand is not to say I agree or excuse their reaction. Cooler heads would dictate that these feelings are best left unsaid or in private with other until they can come to grips with the reality of the situation. I would hope that in time many of these fans and students would come to a better understanding of the events and regret their initial actions. On the flip side to the fans reaction, I am glad to say that I've not heard one talking head on TV or radio, local or national, offer up the same excuses and defenses of JoePa as his fans have. surfkitten siggie and board shop 2007
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11-14-11, 06:56 PM (EST)
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96. "Still more fallout." |
The CEO of Sandusky's charity has quit.Paterno's name has been removed from the Big 10 trophy. And we'll have the mother of a victim on GMA this Friday -- which means this nightmare is about to get a second face.
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11-14-11, 08:42 PM (EST)
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98. "Sandusky's defense." |
Interviewed by Bob Costas.Says he was just horsing around in the shower. No sexual contact whatsoever. Horsing around in the shower. Which he now sees was wrong. The interview will play tonight on NBC: 10 p.m. EST. I will not be watching. http://tinyurl.com/8x5rjw5 NBC just proved itself worse than FOX.
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11-14-11, 08:47 PM (EST)
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99. "RE: Sandusky's defense." |
Why does that sound like it is coming from the Michael Jackson defense playbook?
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11-15-11, 04:12 PM (EST)
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106. "RE: Sandusky's defense." |
Listening to the interview, it is without a doubt the creepiest thing I've ever heard.
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11-15-11, 05:34 PM (EST)
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110. "RE: Sandusky's defense." |
I don't think Sandusky did himself any good talking to Costas, just digging himself in deeper. Feel kind of sorry for Costas, but he did a good job under difficult circumstances.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-15-11, 12:03 PM (EST)
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103. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
Now you're just being silly. She couldn't possibly be done marinating him yet.
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11-16-11, 08:41 AM (EST)
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111. "McQueary's email" |
Saw this on Yahoo sports this morning:
The Nov. 8 email from McQueary to a friend, made available to The Associated Press, said: “I did stop it, not physically … but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room … I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police …. no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds … trust me.McQuery told a friend via email that he felt he was “getting hammered for handling this the right way … or what I thought at the time was right … I had to make tough impacting quick decisions.” The grand jury report issued Nov. 5, the day Sandusky was charged with 40 criminal counts for alleged sexual abuse against eight boys over 15 years, goes into considerable detail about the March 2002 incident. McQueary was putting sneakers into his locker late on a Friday night when, the jury said, he saw Sandusky having sex with a young boy. He left, “distraught,” and contacted his father and then head coach Joe Paterno, jurors said. McQueary later met with athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz to describe what he had seen, the grand jury said. If this is true then how badly did the police mishandle the situation? 2002 IceCat Originals, Inc. All rights reserved.
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11-16-11, 10:05 AM (EST)
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113. "RE: McQueary's email" |
When he said police did he mean the college police/security?
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11-16-11, 04:10 PM (EST)
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118. "RE: McQueary's email" |
It's not as if he came across as being outstandingly intelligent before this.
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11-16-11, 04:56 PM (EST)
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124. "RE: McQueary's email" |
No perjury. Campus police issued a statement that there is no record of McQueary reporting to them. People can say whatever they want in e-mails even when no record has been kept about it.
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11-16-11, 04:19 PM (EST)
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120. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
Uh Oh, I agree with your morbid thought. That can't be good news.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-16-11, 04:39 PM (EST)
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122. "RE: New Conspiracy" |
Any bets on whether his very substantial pension is about to left to charity?
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dabo 25344 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-17-11, 08:44 PM (EST)
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134. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I heard one analysis of it and a lot of the interview seemed to consist of every tell that someone is lying/covering something up in the book.Yeah, I can agree with that. If it goes to trial, though, none of that will matter, the defense will object to it being entered into evidence, object to any testimony on its merits or lack thereof, and the judge will probably uphold those objections since, in point of fact, an interview is evidence of nothing, it isn't even sworn testimony. Creepy as hell, though.
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11-18-11, 11:41 AM (EST)
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136. "RE: Penn State- Moral Obligations?" |
I havem't listened to the interview, but depending on what was said, his statements could be admitted as statements against interest that's why he was told "he has the right to remain silent, anything you say...."
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11-18-11, 11:56 PM (EST)
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139. "RE: Paterno diagnosed with lung cancer" |
Well, that's awful for him, but it is a plausible explanation for trying to protect his personal assets.
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12-02-11, 11:37 AM (EST)
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145. "Costas on Daily Show" |
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-1-2011/bob-costas?xrs=rss_tdsvidsJon: I want to talk to you about this Sandusky interview you did. That was the craziest thing I've ever seen on television. My question to you is -- and his lawyer was sitting right next to you -- how did his lawyer allow his client to be on the phone with you? Bob: He actually offered his client. I was set to interview the lawyer and less than half an hour before we were to sit down he said, "What if we can get Sandusky on the phone?" And I'm thinking "perhaps that isn't the best idea from your standpoint" (Laughter). But yes, we'll do that. Jon: Did he ever, like as he was leaving, like lean in and go, "By the way, I am a terrible lawyer."? (Laughter.) Bob: No, no, no he didn't. Jon: I thought that in this day and age of well-practiced public relations, everybody knows how to mount their defense, dress up and present it, that was the most revealing interview in one of those situations I've ever seen. Bob: And it was so stripped of all the artifice of television. It was just a disembodied voice, which made it all the stranger, and no B-role, no footage of him. Mostly it was just me looking into the camera instead of looking at him, and him answering these questions in his own way. Jon: Yeah. I thought one of the most revealing questions, you said to him "Are you sexually attracted to boys --" Bob: Under-age boys. Jon: Under-age boys. And he does that thing that people do when they're guilty, he goes, "Am I sexually attracted?" He repeats the question. What? He repeats it, and then he gives some weird well I like their energy. Bob: Yeah. He said he enjoys being around young people, et cetera, and then eventually he got to "but am I sexually attracted to them, no." Jon: Right. Bob: Seventeen seconds before the word no came out. Jon: But when you said: Are you a pedophile? Bob: He immediately said no. Jon: I wonder if in his deluded poisoned head he's like, he thinks there is a difference between being a pedophile and being attracted. Bob: Or perhaps he thinks.. I'm reluctant to get into this area of speculation-- Jon: That's why I'm doing it. (Laughter.) You're a responsible journalist. Bob: Continue, Jon, because I'm fascinated. (Laughter.) Jon rambles and brings up Syracuse. Bob: So far there is no evidence that there was some kind of institutional cover-up at Syracuse the way there obviously has been, we don't know the full extent yet, at Penn State. But obviously there was some sort of institutional cover-up at Penn State. Interview continues, worth giving a full listen.
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12-06-11, 05:34 PM (EST)
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150. "RE: Story #3 breaks." |
*sigh*I have a bad feeling we will see a bunch more of these. After all, it is like why there have been previous scandals in organizations where there is access to children. Like robbers rob banks because that is where the money is, organizations where there is access to kids is going to attract this sort of offender. Unfortunately the protocols to protect the kids (no kid ever alone with an adult out of eyesight of another adult in the organization, etc.) usually don't get established until after a scandal erupts. I don't think that organizations are any more or less likely than families or individuals to try to avoid getting in trouble. I just hope that as light gets shined we can protect enough kids that this becomes less common each generation. While most people get through this without keeping the cycle going, there will always be a few people that get broken in a way that keeps the cycle going from generation to generation.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-13-11, 06:12 PM (EST)
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157. "Sandusky's plea: not guilty." |
He waived the preliminary hearing (at the absolute last second, forcing everyone to waste their time and travel expenses) and requested a jury trial. His lawyer, who has completely ignored what he said earlier, directly said they would fight to the end, accept and make no plea bargains, and then implied the motivation behind all alleged victims was financial. So if you're expecting a tearful breakdown and confession, go watch the twenty-part Law & Order revival that's going to film around this for the next year. Meanwhile, the Syracuse victims, denied the chance for criminal charges, have gone civil suit. And we wait for the parade to continue.
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01-08-12, 10:21 AM (EST)
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162. "Bill O'Brien (Patriots) new head coach. " |
So at least when the fresh regime decides to prevent future incidents by bugging the showers, they'll know where to put the wires.
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01-08-12, 11:29 PM (EST)
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163. "RE: Bill O'Brien (Patriots) new head coach. " |
I think there are a couple of former NFL videographers that the Nittany Lions can get cheaply, too.
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01-22-12, 05:24 PM (EST)
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167. "RE: Partial suicide." |
There's a part of me that agrees with that, but I think it's more likely he died sooner because he had little to look forward to without being on the sidelines -- football was his entire life, despite what has been said about his off-the-field actions within the PSU community, so to have his first love abruptly taken away from him left little for him to enjoy in life other than his family.
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01-24-12, 11:31 AM (EST)
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171. "RE: Paterno dies" |
Pa get's the honor of the states flags flown at half staff? Ridiculous.
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02-14-12, 05:12 PM (EST)
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175. "I'm confused" |
Yeah, I know. What's new. But I thought he had supervised visitation for his grandkids, so what was the big deal? Why does he HAVE to see them by himself? I did see one DIL(soon to be XDIL) said no. She's the only smart one.
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177. "RE: I'm confused" |
Regarding the local jury, the locals might be more pi$$ed at him than he realizes. Those people worshipped Paterno like he was God Almighty, and like most of his ex-players, most of them are pi$$ed at anybody they think had anything to do with JoePa getting fired, and now that he's dead they probably blame the board of trustees and Spanier and Curley and Schultz and McQueary and the cops and the prosecutors and every Tom, D1ck and Harry under the sun for his death, so they're probably pi$$ed at Sandusky too. And you know that lady prosecutor isn't gonna cut him any slack because busting his nuts will probably put the biggest scalp on her belt she'll ever take. She doesn't know it yet, but she can't win either way on this one because if she puts Sandusky in prison most of his family and friends and a lot of fans will be pi$$ed at her, and if he beats the rap, a lot of other people will be pi$$ed at her. Bottom line is that the local jury is just as likely to have it in for him as an out of county jury would, and I don't think he improved his chances much by requesting a local jury.
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06-06-12, 08:52 AM (EST)
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180. "RE: Jury selection begins." |
The question might become if a long time season ticket holder will be sympathetic to Sanducky, or want his blood for what he did, what it did to Penn State's reputation, and eventually what it did to Joe Pa.
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06-12-12, 06:47 PM (EST)
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184. "RE: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter" |
Let's hope for a grand jury in agreement. The daughter needs as much family as she can get.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-19-12, 03:42 PM (EST)
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190. "Update." |
The grand jury will have to rule on whether to indict on a homicide charge. No guarantees...
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Round Robin 2243 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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06-20-12, 09:32 AM (EST)
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191. "RE: Update." |
If that grand jury indicts a father who caught a guy abusing HIS DAUGHTER, every one of them should be publicly hanged. Indicting this father would be as offensive and immoral as what the dead guy did. The dead guy got what he deserved, and this is one instance in which taking the law into one's own hands was exactly the right thing to do.
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Round Robin 2243 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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06-12-12, 03:21 PM (EST)
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183. "RE: Testimony begins." |
We already knew they knew years ago that Sandusky is guilty as hell, and when this secret file news becomes more widely known, some pretty high people at Penn State, some who we already know about and some who have gotten less publicity, are gonna be in a world of hurt reputation-wise even if they don't go to jail or even to court.
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Round Robin 2243 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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06-13-12, 04:23 AM (EST)
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186. "RE: Testimony begins." |
McQueary should have punched Sandusky's lights out right there on the spot when he caught him BFing that kid. But McQueary was too big of a wimp and too busy thinking about protecting his own a$$ to do right by the kid. If I had been in McQueary's place I might have spent a long time in the slammer for what I would have done to Sandusky, but by God he never would have abused another kid.
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Breezy 18379 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-19-12, 02:33 PM (EST)
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188. "RE: Prosecution rests: defense begins." |
I agree, seems to be moving way too fast.
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Round Robin 2243 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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06-21-12, 00:30 AM (EST)
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193. "RE: The defense rest" |
He didn't take the stand because the prosecution would have ripped his lungs out on cross. He's guilty as hell, but his only chance to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors would have been gone with the wind if he had undergone cross. I still think he's gonna lose, but jail would have been a certainty had he testified.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-21-12, 03:20 PM (EST)
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195. "NBC claim for Sandusky not testifying." |
LAST EDITED ON 06-21-12 AT 06:21 PM (EST)According to them, Sandusky was prepared to take the stand in his own defense -- but the prosecution informed the defense that if Sandusky went up, they were going to call one of his sons (Matt) as a surprise rebuttal witness to bring in some new information. After much lawyer freaking out, Sandusky backed down. ETA: I got this over the radio, so didn't have a link at the initial posting. Here's one copy of the story. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sandsuky-Son-Testify-NBC-Source-159859365.html Re-edit: my first guess -- the one I initially wrote and then deleted for lack of confirmation -- was correct: abuse begins at home. Matt's testimony would have raised the witness count by one. He approached the prosecution and offered his story during the trial: that may be why he could only be used as a rebuttal witness (and naturally the defense had to be informed that the state could add one). He does not want to talk to the media about this right now and possibly ever. But his willingness to step forward could have been the final nail -- except that the jury, if rules are being followed, has no idea this happened. Deliberations are under way. The sheer number of charges mean this could take a few days even with no argument on any issue. And we wait.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-23-12, 12:07 PM (EST)
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203. "RE: NBC claim for Sandusky not testifying." |
The radio report I initially heard claimed NBC broke the story. I never saw/heard/read the original form.
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dabo 25344 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-22-12, 10:29 PM (EST)
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198. "RE: Guilty...." |
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/22/12363955-sandusky-convicted-of-45-counts?liteSeveral of the counts are so-called mandated felonies, meaning McKean County (Pa.) Senior Judge John Cleland has no discretion in sentencing. Most carry sentences of 10 to 20 years in prison, meaning Sandusky will likely spend the rest of his life in prison. ... The end of the trial doesn't mean the case is over. Two former top Penn State officials, former Athletic Director Timothy Curley and former vice president Gary Schultz, face perjury charges in connection with their grand jury testimony in December, in which prosecutors alleged that concealed what they knew about Sandusky's conduct. Law enforcement sources have told NBC News that former Penn State President Graham Spanier, who was fired in November, was under investigation for possible similar charges.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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06-22-12, 10:49 PM (EST)
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200. "RE: Guilty...." |
Most effective far-reaching money-grabbing charitable-man-targeting giant conspiracy ever.
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06-23-12, 01:00 AM (EST)
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201. "RE: Guilty...." |
Nothing charitable about that man. A complete 100% $3 bill.
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08-31-12, 05:12 AM (EST)
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206. "RE: Seductive kids?" |
What the hell is this guy smoking? Even if somebody's tempted doesn't mean he's gotta do it. Some things are just flat out wrong no matter what the temptations are, and surely even guys like Sandusky and this friar know that.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-11-13, 04:51 PM (EST)
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209. "Does The Guardian support Jerry Sandusky?" |
Apparently so.http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light Some academics do not dispute the view of Tom O'Carroll, a former chairman of PIE and tireless paedophilia advocate with a conviction for distributing indecent photographs of children following a sting operation, that society's outrage at paedophilic relationships is essentially emotional, irrational, and not justified by science. "It is the quality of the relationship that matters," O'Carroll insists. "If there's no bullying, no coercion, no abuse of power, if the child enters into the relationship voluntarily … the evidence shows there need be no harm." What, did some association of Catholic priests take over The Guardian?
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01-12-13, 06:02 AM (EST)
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210. "RE: Does The Guardian support Jerry Sandusky?" |
Much as I might enjoy bashing the Grauniad I felt that the article tried to show all points of view, it didn't seem to condone O'Carroll's views in fact the paragraph after the one that you quote saysThis is not, obviously, a widely held view. McCartan uses O'Carroll's book Paedophilia: the Radical Case in his teaching as "it shows how sex offenders justify themselves". Findlater says the notion that a seven-year-old can make an informed choice for consensual sex with an adult is "just preposterous. It is adults exploiting children." Goode says simply: "Children are not developmentally ready for adult sexuality," adding that it is "intrusive behaviour that violates the child's emerging self-identity" and can be similar in long-term impact to adults experiencing domestic violence or torture. Their conclusion seems to be, to quote Goode "Adult sexual attraction to children is part of the continuum of human sexuality; it's not something we can eliminate," she says. "If we can talk about this rationally – acknowledge that yes, men do get sexually attracted to children, but no, they don't have to act on it – we can maybe avoid the hysteria. We won't label paedophiles monsters Although earlier in the article they do acknowledge that this is not an universal view. Thank you for bringing this interesting article to my attention.
Only one spelling mistake and unusual capitalisation of Mccartan. Not bad for the Grauniad
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-12-13, 04:57 PM (EST)
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211. "RE: Does The Guardian support Jerry Sandusky?" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-12-13 AT 04:58 PM (EST)The paragraph you included is rare in the article, which I thought was definitely pro-pedophilia. For example, here are the next two paragraphs after the two we've already cited: But not all experts are sure. A Dutch study published in 1987 found that a sample of boys in paedophilic relationships felt positively about them. And a major if still controversial 1998-2000 meta-study suggests – as J Michael Bailey of Northwestern University, Chicago, says – that such relationships, entered into voluntarily, are "nearly uncorrelated with undesirable outcomes". Most people find that idea impossible. But writing last year in the peer-reviewed Archives of Sexual Behaviour, Bailey said that while he also found the notion "disturbing", he was forced to recognise that "persuasive evidence for the harmfulness of paedophilic relationships does not yet exist". So there isn't any persuasive evidence that pedophilic relationships are harmful? Really?
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