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"BSC SEC rematch is set"
HobbsofMI 15959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-05-11, 10:14 AM (EST)
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"BSC SEC rematch is set" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-05-11 AT 12:21 PM (EST)After 20086 (edit:my bad) call by all those SEC schools, coaches (Nick Sabin especially), writers (some who voted Mich 8th or less to make sure they didn't finish No. 2), etc. called for no rematches since you did not win your conference....what do we get? A rematch! Sorry but Alabama had their chance at home and due to some bone head plays and no kicker they lost in OT. Just like that year people said give Florida their shot and they showed OSU was not No. 1 I say give Oklahoma State their shot but the BSC is just as messed up as ever. Get rid of this thing and get a 8 team playoff. 4 champions from the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC. Then four at large with none coming from the 4. 3 weeks and we get a true champion, use can use the bowls still for everyone else. sig Syren, bouncy by IceCat, bobble head by Tribephyl, and snoglobe by agman
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-05-11, 11:06 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
'We don't want to suggest the BSC is corrupt. We want to state definitively that the BCS is corrupt.'
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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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12-05-11, 12:37 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
I don't follow American football and certainly not at the college level but I read the various threads here and your statement makes me question something. You suggest that a national champion should have won their regular season conference as well as the one game playoff called the the Title Bowl (or whatever the heck it's called). If one wins the latter but not the former, it is not a true "national champion". This suggests to me that you, like Hobbs, would prefer a playoff structure of some sort, possibly even 8 teams (would all 8 teams be conference champs or would the 'wild card' as Hobbs suggests allow for the best second place team in a conference to get in?). What happens then when one of the Wild Card/At Large teams wins? It's just a matter of time before it happens of course. We just have to look to the NFL, MLB, NHL or College Basketball to see many examples of Wild Card/At Large teams winning and becoming national champion. Last year Connecticut won the Final Four despite the fact that it was a 9 seed going into its own conference tournament. With college basketball, a true national champion, it seems would need to win the regular season crown, its conference tournament and the national championship game otherwise you could say something like "So, if Duke beats UNC, does that make them the 'national champion' even though they previously lost to UNC and didn't win their conference?". Curiously, the NIT tournament started off as the losers' tournament (ok, it still is) as all the conference winners went to the NCAA tournament which often meant that some of the best teams in the country weren't in the NCAA tourney. They added non-conference champion at large teams to address this. We can use an example of recent ('07-'08) NFL history too. Should the Giants be considered "national champion" because they beat the Patriots even though the previously lost to the Pats and didn't win their division (finished 2nd in NFC East)? Now, I'm not saying that I have a solution or saying that one system (BCS) is better or worse than another (playoffs w/ wild card/at large teams). I just think that unless someone goes completely undefeated (and in college ranks, even that can be a little suspect depending on the quality of the opponents), you are left with a less than ideal situation but I don't think you can say that someone can't be a national champion just because they lost once to a team that they subsequently beat when the stakes are higher.
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newsomewayne 9065 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-05-11, 03:41 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
If it's mythical and thus, doesn't really matter, then why all the fuss?
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PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-05-11, 04:57 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
The St. Louis example also disproves your point about Alabama not even winning their division in the SEC as well. Champions *do* come from teams that didn't win their own divisions/conferences (as often seen in the NFL, NHL, MLB, etc.) and they frequently get second chances because they're good enough to get one.
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mrc 10020 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-07-11, 05:07 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
I agree with Hobbs, and the reason is because I think the conference championship games have to be considered part of the postseason. No sport I know of allows a non-playoff team to sit at home during the first round of playoffs, then get seeded into the second round. For example, MLB has the wild card round, but it doesn't allow a second-place team in the AL East to compete in the divisional round just because it had the third-best record in the American League. That team either had to win the wild card or it was out. Since NCAA Div. I (or whatever it's called now) football doesn't have a playoff system, then the conference championships should be considered the first round of a playoff system for determining the BCS title game, if not all of the BCS games. You aren't in the conference championship game, then you don't get to advance to the next round. But that's my thinking, and the BCS isn't logical, neat, and tidy. Done by a Cap
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-05-11, 01:35 PM (EST)
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20. "Because it would make sense, that's why." |
Are the BCS offices located in Florida?
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newsomewayne 9065 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-05-11, 03:49 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
That's not really a valid argument. Lots of teams will finish in the polls below teams that they beat.
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Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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12-05-11, 05:36 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
Fair enough, but I still agree with kingfish's point that LSU shouldn't have to beat Alabama twice to "prove" they're the better team. Alabama already had their chance to beat LSU and they failed, so give someone else like Oklahoma State a chance.
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Colonel Zoidberg 3645 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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01-03-12, 10:20 AM (EST)
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45. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
Two possibilities here.LSU beats Alabama - "Well, they already did that. In Tuscaloosa. And it was probably a boring game anyway. At least OK State might have gone down with a few shots at the end zone." Alabama beats LSU - "Well, LSU already beat them. In Tuscaloosa. Can we really call them the national champions? Only one other team made the national championship game after not winning its conference - Nebraska after the 2001 season. And they got shellacked by Miami." Any way you cut it, LSU playing a conference rival that didn't even win its own division is absurd.
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Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-03-12, 10:54 AM (EST)
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46. "RE: BSC SEC rematch is set" |
Let's hope LSU wins again. Though the BCS opponent-selection process was fatally flawed, at least we'll end up with an undefeated champion from a major conference.
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newsomewayne 9065 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-12, 10:12 AM (EST)
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56. "RE: At the half..." |
20 years ago, they would've both entered the game with records of 12-0-1. I don't think anyone, even the most diehard LSU fans, can realistically or rationally argue for a best 2 out of 3.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-12, 10:15 AM (EST)
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57. "*whistle*" |
Implying reasonable and rational behavior can be expected from diehard college sports fans: fifteen yards and loss of IQ.
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PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-12, 01:17 PM (EST)
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59. "RE: At the half..." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-11-12 AT 10:57 AM (EST)The difference is in the big difference in the quality of these one losses. There's no comparison at all in terms of the differences in their one losses: - OSU lost to a crappy team - LSU got totally blown out of the water (Did you see the game? It wasn't even close at all) - Bama fought a rather even game with LSU in that first game - some would say they outplayed LSU a bit with more scoring opportunities - and lost in overtime after a missed FG. (First downs 17-15, 295-239 total yards, both favouring Bama, plus Bama had six scoring opportunities to LSU's three and that interception on the 1-yard line ... I'd say Bama outplayed LSU in Game 1 as well) Having said that... this is even more reason why we need a playoff to resolve the issue for once and all. After all, if they can stretch the bowl season from Christmas to January 9th, then it shouldn't be too difficult to have semifinal games on Jan. 1 and then the championship on Jan. 8 or 9. The argument that it takes away from these 'student-athletes' being in the classroom loses steam when you have them playing on Jan. 8 or 9 anyway, and they certainly aren't in class on Jan. 1 either. Have LSU-Oregon in one semi and OSU-Bama in the other, the winners goes head-to-head and poof, a lot of arguments will disappear. ETF for readability
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Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-12, 05:17 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: At the half..." |
Agree completely with your arguments for a playoff. 4 teams should be sufficient to determine a champion without extending the season too much longer.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-12, 08:48 PM (EST)
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62. "RE: At the half..." |
I've always wanted an 8-team playoff, limited to six conference champions and two wild cards. (No mandatory teams from weak leagues; Alabama would have made it as a wild card this year.) But at least the "plus-one" option (a 4-team playoff) is a step in the right direction.
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