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"East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06"
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"East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
Another new episode so keeps discuss it in this thread until the westies have had a chance to see it.
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4. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
First: "Are you hittin' that?" Made me like Ana a little. Teensy bit, nice to see her soften up a little. Tree marking? Is it just me or is Charlie becoming Ethan-like? The hood up, stealing babies. Could some of the rogue Others we have seen been like Charlie? Just some issues with family and babies and really think they are protecting the children? Is this the start of the "sickness"? What did Locke do with the heroin? Was it still in the statues in teh vault or did he get rid of the bags first? When Charlie swam out to the sea was he really swimming? It reminded me of when that diver Joanna was "drowning" and Boone tried to save her. Pretty impressed with this episode. Especially since I am not too fond of Charlie as a character.
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5. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
I never considered the "sickness" angle. I am not sure on that, why would it go after Charlie? I mean, his closest encounter to one of the supposed others (or a rogue resident) was Ethan Rom and his murder, he doesn't seem inherently evil, rather a man with problems like everyone else on the island pretty much. Still, quite an interesting question. I don't think so personally, but quite feasible.Assuming Charlie was correct in that the heroin cannot be removed without breaking the statue (if it could, he would have), then I think the heroin is still in the statue, in the vault. I don't get that honestly. If he wanted to help Charlie that bad, destroy the statues. If he wants to store then for another reason, I wouldn't put them in a place where people will likely need to go soon, I'd hide them. Locke knows this island better than pretty much everyone that isn't an "other". No idea with the ocean and Charlie. I assume the swimming was a dream, and that the ocean was really land towards getting to the baby. Still a weird dream. This episode, while mostly character development, opened a whole lot of cans, all filled with worms.  Bob Factoid: The fishercat is the only creature known to have gone completely insane chasing its own tail.
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18. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
I never considered the "sickness" angle. I am not sure on that, why would it go after Charlie?Something went after Charlie. I didn't really get the impression he was using again. He was certainly tempted but I don't think he did. However, when he took the baby after he started the fire his face looked really ragged out, red/purple eyes, sunken face, just awful, like he was really sick. I also think the baby is in danger simply because the Others have a taste for little kiddies. And again, the religious overtones in this ep. were really prominent. Locke didn't really seem too interested in Claire and her baby getting baptized. I think this is the first glimmer of a conflict between Locke and Eco - maybe good vs. evil as I've always been rather suspicious of Locke. Maybe the Island is really Hell and Locke has come home to roost. Eco has dove down into Hell to rescue everyone. Far-fetched I know.  Rolly Sig Shop
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7. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-26-06 AT 06:21 AM (EST)I didn't like Liam during the first Charlie backstory, but really can't stand him now. How selfish. I take it Charlie's mother died by how touched he was that Liam's daughter was named after her, but other than his father cutting meat at the beginning, did they ever say what happened to him? I take it Charlie wasn't close with him by him screaming to Liam "what about my family." So Charlie can swim in his dreams, but not on the island? Someone really needs to put Locke in his place. I was hoping Eco would step in and do that. I'd like to see a showdown between those two. The flirting between Hurley and Libby was pretty cute. Liked Sawyer's line about Hurley having a load to drop in. He is king of the one liners. Was that Sun being dragged off in the previews?
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8. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
Ugh. Worst episode so far. I didn't like Charlie, I still don't like Charlie, and I don't think I'm ever going to like Charlie. Yeah, his brother sucks and he had a rough childhood, but who doesn't have issues? I can't believe this entire episode was wasted on Charlie trying to ge Aaron baptized. Yeah, I know it has some meaning to the story as a whole, but I don't care about Charlie. The only good part about the Charlie backstory was the diaper scene. Total hoot, although I don't think I was supposed to laugh at it. But it was funny. I do have to say I enjoyed Locke finally showing some emotion, even though it was pretty rough to watch. Gotta give kudos to Jack for treating Charlie with kindness and compassion when everyone else just walked away from him. Jack rocks. I think I enjoy Sawyer more with each episode, and that is saying a lot since I've loved him from day one. His names for people just cracks me up. He called Hurley "Jabba" early in the hour, but also called him another name. Was it Tarzan? I can't remember. Whatever it was made me crack up. Love Sawyer!
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Referring to the Bonanza series and the rotund brother.I thought the diaper scene was funny to. They definately are not setting up Charlie as likable. I do disagree with people and Locke. I think he was MORE likable this episode. Sure he was rough and physical with Charlie but remember he knows Charlie is a junkie. You don't want a junkie on top of everything else ont he island. Maybe also Locke has had experience with drug abusers before? They have only been on the island how many days now? Less than 2 months right? Charlie has not been "clean" for very long. Which brings up how old is that baby? He looked huge and that Claire was having a hard time holding him! He could not be more than 5 weeks.
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15. "RE: Hoss" |
I'm with you, Doc. Even though I don't like Charlie, I cringed when Locke beat him up, then everyone turned their backs on him and walked away. What a horrible moment.
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37. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
I got the feeling maybe Libby was at the mental institution. I am going to rewatch that episode and see if I see her there.
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LAST EDITED ON 01-26-06 AT 08:35 AM (EST)OK, now don't get me wrong, I still love Lost, but I'd like to say that this show has really been going WAY downhill lately. These last few episodes have paled in comparison to some of the episodes in the first season, and early on in this one. I don't like how they haven't really focused on multiple stories per episode lately...they kinda do two or three minutes for both of two other minor "plotlines", and the rest of the time is spent on the main character for the episode. It really sucks b/c when you don't like the person that it's centered around (see: the last two weeks, for me at least). Yesterday's episode in particular was truly horrendous. The episode did absolutely nothing. We already knew Charlie was using again, or so we could conclude, and we also knew that he was gonna freak out about Aaron. In fact, I could've gotten by just fine on the previews alone, they practically showed everything in there, and that's not saying a lot seeing how half the previews were fluff anyway. The only thing, I think, that was interesting was how over-protective Locke has become of Claire, but otherwise, that's it. I don't know. I'm really hoping the 2/8 episode is gonna be good, but...we'll see.
But before I end this post...I'd like to bring up the subject of Libby? Was it just me, or was there something iffy about her and saying that he stepped on her foot. Anyone have the first season and want to go back and examine?
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17. "RE: This Show" |
No I don't think Charlie was using again. I think he is really fighting some inner demons. This episode really gave me some compassion towards Charlie. He brother was such a jerk to him. He sold his piano- which obviously meant a lot to Charlie- to buy a plane ticket to Australia. We find out later that Liam gets cleaned up and Charlie ends up messed up. I know it's his own fault- but it makes me feel sorry for him.I'm probably one of the few that never liked Locke. Now I really hate him. Something's up with him. He's keeping all the guns locked up for himself. Why did he keep the statues? He could have easily destroyed them. Hitting Charlie like that- way out of line. Locke wants to have the upper hand. He wants to control the power on island. Looks like in the previews he is confronted by Jack about the guns. I think Charlie was having visions- same as Jack had about his father. Just like people seeing Walt or Kate seeing the black horse. But no one is taking Charlie seriously. It made me feel really bad for him. I hope someone befriends him. I like Sawyer more each week. Calling Hurley "Jabba" and "Hoss"- priceless! I think there is more to Hurley and Libby. Libby thought she just recognized him from getting her foot stepped on but it seems like there is more to it. She's really coming on to with him, no? I like how they softened up Anna-Lucia a bit. I didn't think I would like her character but I like that her and Jack have teamed up. But how many tarps can they have on that island for pete's sake! Yikes! Looks like Sun gets grabbed in her garden by the Others? Oh please don't take Sun off the show!
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22. "Disagree" |
Locke was way out of line in last night's episode. If there's anyone in camp who knows what it's like to A) have visions, B) be the camp pariah, and C) understand that appearances can be deceiving, it's Locke. Did we all forget that he's responsible for Boone's death...because of a vision...that he didn't want to tell anyone about because they wouldn't understand? And now he's gonna punch Charlie because he's acting weird? Nope, I'm sorry to say it, because I really liked the guy, but he's become a first-rate A-Hole. Actually, the way the entire camp acted last night seemed a little bit contrived.If they suspected he was using again and was dangerous, why didn't Jack examine him? Why didn't they talk to him? Why didn't anyone reach out to him in an understanding manner? After all, as Charlie said, they've all had weird visions. But now that it's Charlie, it must be the drugs. Last night's episode left me the thought that Charlie's "F.A.T.E" is to be a sacrifice at some point, and probably to save Aaron. He's my vote for next regular cast member to bite it.  Fester
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Well written Fester! I agree with it and am very sad that I too believe Charlie is the next one to bite the bullet. I do like his character and wish they could have taken his story on a different path! 
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47. "RE: This Show" |
I think I agree with everything you said. I don't think Charlie was using. I'm not sure if he was keeping the statues to test himself as he said or as a cushion just in case he needs them in the future. I really liked Charlie when the show started and have gotten so annoyed with all his whining. I preferred when him and Hurley would pal around over his obsession with Claire. I think Charlie desperately wants a family to prove he is capable of taking care of them and also just to belong somewhere. I can understand Claire being so protective of Aaron and don't blame her for not trusting Charlie, but it is eating him up. Also seeing Locke, who also needs a family, spending so much time with them makes it worse. Before the crash Liam and the piano seemed to be all that Charlie had. Liam begged Charlie to stick with the band when Charlie wanted to quit because he felt the lifestyle was against his religion and then pushed Charlie aside when they became famous. He looked down on Charlie because he wasn't the big frontman who had all the groupies and partied all the time and then looked down at him again after he got cleaned up in Sydney. Got cleaned up, mind you, partly with the money from Charlie's precious piano. I also was never crazy about Locke and dislike him more and more each show. Jack should have let him get dragged down that hole last year. I can't stand his superior attitude. Every week he's telling someone what to do, but don't tell him what to do. He beats up Charlie and nobody steps in to help. If that would have been Sawyer, the whole camp would have been on him in a flash. But Locke can get away with it. The only one that ever seems to question him is Jack and Locke usually doesn't give him a straight answer. Remember the conversion they had after Locke was almost sucked down the hole where Locke says being on the island is their destiny. Jack says he doesn't believe in destiny and Locke says he does, he just doesn't know it yet. Well ok, I guess he knows everything. Jack is not the right person to confront him because he's too nice and believes people are entitled to their own opinions. Sayid would be a good one to keep Locke in line. They were good last year when Locke thought he was conning Sayid about the hatch, but Sayid knew he was lying. So now Locke has made himself keeper of the guns and keeper of the heroin. Somebody has to knock him down a few pegs and stop letting him get away with everything. Also I like Saywer more and more each week. He's so funny. He is portrayed as the outcast, but he is always doing work around camp. He was one of the first to put out the fire last night, was right there with Sayid at the beginning to break up the fight between Jin and Michael and you often see him chopping wood and doing other things around camp. He's not an outcast. He just put on that attitude. Many suspect Libby of being one of the others, but I don't. I think she did work at the hospital where Hurley was. If she wasn't on the place how did she know he got on last and was sweaty? I'm not sure how he stepped on her foot since she was in the back, but maybe he passed her when one of them was on the way to the restroom. She did seem to be flirting with him. Maybe if they hang around together he'll find out where she worked. This is the second week in a row that I didn't want to smack Ana Lucia. Maybe she can take on Locke. Sun better not get hurt or be gone for long.
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48. "RE: This Show" |
In the finale last year Hurley walked towards the back to get to his seat and passed Michael and Walt on the way.
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45. "Libby Spec/spoiler?" |
I have seen on other message boards and I don't know where they get this info but it does look like it could explain a lot.Invisible text It has been said that Libby is a pathological liar. She may not be a psychologist. She could have been a fellow patient with Hurley even.
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20. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
Finally, more back story on Charlie. He's been in the background & a bit annoying of late, but I haven't given up on the fact that he'd have some interesting stuff come out.I say he was NOT using again, but I was really frustrated with him for hiding the statues the way he did & lying to Locke. Of course people won't trust you if you LIE! Typical misunderstood character who becomes ostracized by the rest of the group storyline. Now we have to wait for the Charlie redemption episode. My first thought was that Charlie had the "sickness." Maybe the hallucinations & dreams cause the sickness -- either you're strong enough to stay "sane" or you go "insane" and Charlie is teetering on the brink of insanity because of this. I think Charlie's motives will become more clear when more of his back story is revealed -- how did his mum die? What made a devoutly religious "good boy" finally join his brother in his heroin addiction? I think Charlie is good and because of his history, no one will give him the benefit of the doubt. Which brings me to my man Locke. I'm with you, Slice. This is the first time I actually disliked Locke. I understand his frustration with Charlie's lies, but in past episodes Locke has been portrayed as very AWARE of what's going on. So, I am surprised he didn't believe Charlie & try to talk to him about his dreams. I am also REALLY shocked that Locke is spending so much time with Claire & the baby, knowing that Charlie is jealous. Now I am reanalyzing Locke's agenda. I still think he is good, but something is amiss. He seems to have an interest in Claire & Aaron, but why? I thought Libby was acting rather odd when she & Hurley were doing laundry. (I also noted the new model washer/dryer -- who brought them to the island?) I think Libby does know Hurley from before the island & before he stepped on her foot in the airplane. She had a look when Hurley asked her if he knew her from somewhere. Sun is definitely the one kidnapped. The previews mentioned that she will be hurt very badly. I don't think she'll be killed off (I really hope not). I remember a spoiler last year that Claire's baby wasn't the only "baby" & that a passenger (SUN?!?) was pregnant. That would make sense if the others wanted her for her unborn baby. I have really enjoyed all the episodes this season & think the show is getting better and better with each new flashback (EXCEPT Jack's -- I don't know why, but his flashbacks bore the heck out of me). No disappointment here, except that I think we're going to have a few weeks of repeats before the Sun kidnap episode airs. Boohoo
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25. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
What else has Locke got hidden in that cubby hole? Also. what was he disconneting or shifting on the wall?
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29. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
Remember, the buzzer sounds before they enter "the numbers" into the computer?
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36. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
What Locke was doing was changing the combination to the Arms Room. I think he'll share the new combo with the rest of the "leaders". Bet Charlie won't get the new combo! This is the same room that Locke stashed the Heroin Statues. Now someone questioned above why Locke would keep these, especially with Charlie's plight. Considering that the heroin is now stashed in a weapon's locker, don't you think this will play into the Big Fight of Jake's Army vs. The Others that you just know is going to happen? Poison the water supply? food?
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38. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
Anyone else notice that when the fire was set, and at the end, Charlie didn't have the FATE bandages on his fingers anymore? Meaningful, or a screw up in wardrobe?Yes Jimbo, but I noticed that Charlie didn't have the bandages right after he woke up with the baby. I started a thread on this very thing. It's very peculiar. Rolly Sig Shop
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49. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
Charlie took the letters off to leave a trail when Ethan took him and Claire.
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50. "RE: East Coast Discussion Thread 01/25/06" |
A few things to mention from this eppy.
Eko marking the trees, why?? are they the same ones Charlie burned ??
The painting of Chist being babtised by John is hanging in the family home in the flashback. The painting itself shows both the white dove and a black bird.
Anyone notice the Dad cutting the meat intertwined with dolls being butchered??
Just a side note:: Eko explained that the dove released from heaven was a sign that John washed away Jesus' sins. When in fact, Jesus had no sin and the dove was a sign that Jesus was the Son of God. Okay I'm no expert. I do believe this is accepted in all christian faith. Eko has made several mistakes in his teachings. WHY??
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52. "RE: Dwight from the Office has some theories" |
I must go check out updates on the webpage. Funny show, funny website.
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