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Elaine0 1507 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 12-02-05, 01:32 PM (EST) "The real Real World Austin " This article has a few laughs in it about what their lives were like in Austin. My favorite part is that Nehemial is giving motivational talks on alcohol abuse. They should know best. http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2005-12-02/pols_feature6.html On the night he was arrested for misdemeanor assault, The Real World cast member Nehemiah Clark was hounded down Sixth Street, a media beast fleeing packs of jeering thugs and MTV cameras, his attorney says. Hoping for a brief moment off camera, he stumbled from bar to bar, tormented, searching for a moment of peace. And … well … yadda yadda yadda … he ended up, allegedly, accidentally #####-slapping the dude at the Best Wurst stand. Hey, these things happen in the alternative reality of The Real World, which has quite a bit to say about modern culture, media manipulation, and human sexuality – for anyone interested in sifting through the empty beer bottles and used condoms. If criminal cases are any indication, the Austin gang was a stellar band of overachievers. Tens of thousands of drunken students descend on Sixth Street every year, but these seven managed to produce three arrest reports in three months, which is, as they say, not bad. Clark is due in court Dec. 5 on a pretrial hearing, although his attorney, Kristin Etter, believes the matter will be resolved soon. The vaunted MTV cameras, there to capture every real nuance, missed the confrontation, she said, depriving Real World fans of another classic real moment of real drunken violence. Already a Hall of Fame classic is the scene of cast member Danny Jamieson getting his face pounded on Sixth Street, an incident which led to the arrest of Ryan Getman, 29, on charges of aggravated assault. Getman's case is winding through the system; a hearing last week was rescheduled. Meanwhile, "fiery Peruvian" cast member Johanna Botta is free and clear after paying her debt to society over a drunken episode involving an accusation she stole a rose from a street-side stand. After pleading no contest to public intoxication – a wise move, all things considered – she worked 16 hours of community service and attended an alcohol education class, even though she already seemed to know quite a bit about alcohol. The MTV cameras caught a snippet of Botta's arrest, but it's clear the show provided only a brief glimpse of what it was really like for the "seven strangers" plopped into the middle of downtown Austin with ready cash, cheap liquor, and an entourage of camera crews. MTV has created these little Real World operatic pieces for 16 years now, and any concept of depicting reality was long ago jettisoned in favor of watching exhibitionist binge drinkers react to the opportunity to act like sleaze-hos on national TV. By all accounts, the Austin cast practically lived on Sixth Street, moving from club to club, seeing what they could stir up with cameras, production money, and a few bright lights. After Jamieson's altercation, the entourage included off-duty Austin police officers, hired to provide security for the TV crews. Needless to say, the gang was hard to miss when they entered a club, especially when the cast members were falling down, blithering drunk, which was fairly often, based on what was shown on TV. They were eager to interact with locals, especially those interested in boinking someone on national TV. According to all reports, tensions often ran high. At times, it was clear the cast members "wanted to be treated a certain way," like stars, said Ben Cantu, general manager of Blind Pig Pub. As they trolled the streets, their movements were breathlessly tracked by die-hard fans. They would often be seen ducking into bars and racing to get away from the cameras. On RealWorldAustin.com, a site devoted to all things Real World, a member named "JLR" described one of Nehemiah's earlier altercations. "People were screaming this is the REAAAAL WORLD and f**k the real world and go home get out of Austin," JLR wrote on the site. Another poster described following the cast, trying to take pictures. "I pulled around the block and saw them at 4th and San Jan where Nehemia gave me his opinion of my picture taking," "drycreek" breathlessly reported. "I found a parking spot on 7th and located them at a pizza shack across from Touche. About 9:40 they headed down to Spill." At one point, worried that somebody was going to get hurt, APD officers providing security asked the cast members not to engage the crowds trying to harass them, according to Mike Sheffield, president of the Austin Police Association. "Our advice was to learn to walk away," Sheffield said. "I don't think they took the advice at all." Sheffield says the off-duty cops were unaware that two of the cast members – Clark and Wes, "the frat boy" – were underage. (According to Sixth Street bartenders, both were using fake IDs.) "We were there for the film crew," Sheffield said. Clark's experience the night he was arrested provides a glimpse into life as a reality TV celebrity. Clark – in anguish over having to finish an edit of a short documentary on South by Southwest, as all true fans know – apparently managed to elude both the cameras and his police escort. "He just wanted to be left alone," Etter said. But a group of men followed him from nightclub to nightclub, threatening him and muttering racist remarks. "People will do anything to be on television," Etter said. That's how it was for the lovable gang of drunks as they wandered the streets with light crews and boom mics. People would throw things from windows and yell curses at them, Etter says. "They were constantly under attack, both verbally and physically." The cast "always had to be on the defensive," with the lights operating like magnets for the Sixth Street crowds, she said. Little of that was shown on TV, however, as MTV portrayed the youngsters as sage philosophers, walking among us to share their wisdom. "Actions speak louder than words," Clark said after apologizing on-camera to the Best Wurst guy, sounding like a shaman for his generation. The next episode, Yoda Clark was heard imparting upon a housemate the ancient wisdom of "Don't put your hands on me, #####." According to his attorney, Clark is now directing music videos and delivering "motivational" talks on drug and alcohol abuse – tidbits of news that will certainly send a million blogs atwitter. Meanwhile, The Real World gang has moved on to Key West, where they're making new friends. A neighbor sued over the noise and lights from the house, and last week a crew member was punched in the face outside a bar. According to a local newspaper report, the incident "caused such a large crowd to gather that traffic was stopped in both directions."   Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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batts 1725 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 12-03-05, 03:49 AM (EST) 1. "RE: The real Real World Austin " >After Jamieson's altercation, the entourage >included off-duty Austin police officers, >hired to provide security for >the TV crews. Basically, they stationed a police officer on the corner across the street from the house. ONe time, I pulled over into a 'no parking' parking space to get my camera in the back seat, and the police officer started walking toward my car, with his hand on his gun, and his flashlight pointed toward me! I was like puleeze louise, what did they think I was..... a terrorist? At times, >it was clear the cast >members "wanted to be treated >a certain way," like stars, >said Ben Cantu, general manager >of Blind Pig Pub. Aint that the truth. Bunch of spoiled kids if you ask me. > >As they trolled the streets, their >movements were breathlessly tracked by >die-hard fans. heh, heh, heh... >they wandered the streets with >light crews and boom mics. >People would throw things from >windows and yell curses at >them, Etter says. "They were >constantly under attack, both verbally >and physically." The cast "always >had to be on the >defensive," with the lights operating >like magnets for the Sixth >Street crowds, she said. Actually this isn't exactly accurate. They wern't ALWAYS being harassed like that. I saw the strangers down on 6th street MANY times, as well as in the bars, and didn't see them harrassed once. I think we saw how much they were harrassed on the show, and it wasn't CONSTANTLY like this person is leading us to believe. Thanks for sharing this Elaine!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DaveThe Dude 967 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 12-03-05, 11:00 AM (EST) 2. "RE: The real Real World Austin " But still, the reality of all this is that the MTV show, The Real World, no longer is dedicated to showing reality. Virtually all of the seasons quickly degenerate into what the real world is not. Maybe it should be called "The Alternate Reality Show." I stil think that MTV MUST change their format if they wish to portray how these kids live, work, and interact in a real world setting. That's why I still think they should be plopped in a city far away, without any pre-shoot publicity, in a place where few if any of the locals know what they are up to. If most of the action takes place in a public place, where they are hounded by numerous locals who have no respect for them or for the TV show, how can we expect to see anything even remotely called reality?? This is why I still think the original idea for the Paris season was so good. They were in a foreign country acting as journalists and their job was to try to write about an exotic city where they would have to learn a new language, interact with people unfamiliar with the show, visiting sites that were new and exciting, and ultimately learning alot of new stuff - including alot of new stuff about themselves. The great failure was that MTV did a horrible job of casting. Most of those kids had no sense of wonder, no desire to explore, no yearning to learn, and they quickly fell into a pattern of doing, eating, and drinking the same old things every single day. What started out as a season of great potential quickly flopped. I, for one, was very disappointed. Send them to Vienna, Budapest, or Prague, cast them better, and maybe we can have a REAL show about REALITY.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-03-05, 12:16 PM (EST) 3. "RE: The real Real World Austin " Dave, I totally understand what you are saying but I don't blame casting as much as I blame MTV as a whole. The great failure was that MTV did a horrible job of casting. Most of those kids had no sense of wonder, no desire to explore, no yearning to learn, and they quickly fell into a pattern of doing, eating, and drinking the same old things every single day As in the real world these kids need to have consequences for the things they do. They should have a job where they have to be there at 8am and have to stay until at least 5pm with an hour for lunch. They also need to be held accountable for said job and not have everything given to them as the trip was GIVEN to them this past season. We all have consequences in our daily jobs/lives where as MTV is allowing these kids to go live in a city and foot the bill for them to drink and have sex on a 4-6 month vacation and then they send them on an exotic vacation to do the same. That isn't real life for anyone. Given the opportunity, I would venture to say that every 18-25 year old would do the exact same thing these kids are doing when they are not held accountable or have any expectations put on them. JMHO. I finally blogged   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DaveThe Dude 967 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 12-03-05, 03:54 PM (EST) 4. "RE: The real Real World Austin " Well Vols, you're probably right. Maybe I just am not thinking right. Maybe I am too idealistic or something. I keep forgetting that I am not an 18-21 kid anymore, even though those years were not so long ago. Plus, my continued bellyaching about Europe stems from the fact that I absolutely love it there, and I was simply horrified as to how those kids acted during the Paris season. I made the mistake of constantly thinking to myself what I would be like if I had been incredibly lucky enough to have been on that 13th season. Every day would have been an adventure. Every day would have been a new neighborhood to explore, a new beautiful building to inspect, a new restaurant to enjoy, a new meal to savor, a new set of conversations, discoveries and experiences worthy of lasting a lifetime. When those kids constantly ate pizza, drank soda, showed no enthusiasm about anything except drinking bad booze, sleeping late, complaining and playing pool, I cringed from the top of my head to the soles of my feet. And every season since I have just gotten myself more frustrated thinking to myself how much of an adventure it SHOULD be to get picked for this show rather than doing the same old same old ad nauseum. Maybe I should just take a chill pill and keep my mouth shut. BUT! I am still honestly horrified that an experience like this was utterly WASTED on a moron like Wes. Good God, what a waste of humanity! What bright eyed, full of fun, and inquisitive kid sat home or worked at a burger joint because he or she was not picked for the cast because some idiot in a suit decided that Wes would be a good choice. Ugh! I could puke!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-03-05, 04:31 PM (EST) 5. "RE: The real Real World Austin " Maybe I should just take a chill pill and keep my mouth shut. Don't ever do this! You have much to say and I usually agree with you whole heartedly. I didn't actually say it above but I guess I was not disagreeing with you as much as laying out a possible solution to the problems with this show. We have all said it has problems but I don't know if the idiots at MTV are going to do anything to save it. I totally agree with you on how you would approached Paris and I would have also but I do wonder if I would have done that when I was 18-21 years old. I seem to remember I was all about the party too (however, I also had a job to juggle). I dunno... I finally blogged   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Elaine0 1507 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 12-04-05, 12:07 PM (EST) 6. "RE: The real Real World Austin " Do you know what the ratings are for this show? Is the current format pulling in the numbers MTV wants? If it is, why would MTV change it? I'm sure there are some people out there that enjoy watching young people get drunk, have sex and not have a care in the world. They are probably heroes for some. Most people would jump at the chance to have a 4 month vacation and many younger viewers dream of the day they can get on the show and party for free. But some of us are very bored with the same old format. I keep going way back to the San Francisco show. I think that was a good example of people trying to find themselves and make a mark in the world. Judd either had a job or was trying to get a job as a cartoonist, Pam had a job in a hospital or clinic, Puck had a regular job as a bike messenger, Rachel was involved in the Republican party and I believe did campaign work during her time on the show and Pedro was involved in gay rights and aids awareness. I can't remember what the others did. Each of these people brought their experiences into the house and shared them with the others. They learned from each other. They knew life wasn't one big party, but that's not to say they didn't have fun or didn't have fights. I don't have much right to speak for the general audience of this show, but I feel watching people at or near your age exploring their options in the world and how they can leave their mark is much more exciting than watching someone get drunk every night. Isn't it exciting to see the possibilities available to you in the world? But if the drunken brawls are what the average viewer prefers, then MTV won't change.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-04-05, 06:47 PM (EST) 7. "Ratings" I have been meaning to look into the ratings and I am glad you reminded me! The week of Thanksgiving is the latest Nielsen info I could find. Neilsen ratings are divided into 5 categories: Broadcast Cable Syndication African American Hispanics The Real World falls into the "cable" section. The week of Thanksgiving, The Real World had 3.755 million viewers for a 2.6 rating. This was good for 7th place for the entire cable section and the only MTV show that was listed (they usually give the top ten on their website for free and is where I got this info). Viewers = Are considered all viewers over the age of 2. Rating = The estimate of the size of a television audience relative to the total universe expressed as a percentage. As of September 26, 2005, there is estimated a 110.2 million television households in the U.S. A single national ratings point represents 1% or 1,102,000 households. All this information came from nielsenmedia.com. That is a much better rating than I expected to find. I finally blogged   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

michaeldh8 35 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 12-04-05, 08:11 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Ratings" >I have been meaning to look >into the ratings and I >am glad you reminded me! >The week of Thanksgiving is >the latest Nielsen info I >could find. Neilsen ratings are >divided into 5 categories: This site gives a more complete breakdown of the ratings: http://medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_1523.asp The REAL WORLD was the #2 show on MTV while LAGUNA BEACH was running. The week before the RW final they did not place in the top 30.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-04-05, 09:00 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Ratings" LAST EDITED ON 12-04-05 AT 09:01 PM (EST) The week before the RW final they did not place in the top 30. What show didn't rank in the top 30? And with which segment of the population? Have you followed the ratings every single week? If you have then please feel free to fill in some blanks here but I find that article very very interesting in that it says the finale of Laguna increased their ratings by 40% and had 2.29 million viewers. That means the week before that they had around 1.5 million viewers. The Real World had 3.755 million viewers for their finale. So, are you suggesting that The Real World had roughly a 200% increase for their finale? Because, if Laguna was the ratings winner this would suggest that Real World averaged less than 1.5 million viewers. Is that what you are saying? ETA: I have been looking at those numbers and I don't think they can be compared to the numbers I posted because the ones you have are segmented by age groups. I posted total numbers. I finally blogged   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

michaeldh8 35 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 12-05-05, 00:06 AM (EST) 10. "RE: Ratings" LAST EDITED ON 12-05-05 AT 01:10 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 12-05-05 AT 00:31 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 12-05-05 AT 00:26 AM (EST) I should have wrote Top 25 vice 30, as it is listed under TOP 25 AD-SUPPORTED CABLE PROGRAMS. (I believe that is for all segments of the population) I think the Nielsen data is raw data so it will be different from the data used at the Medialife site which states that its source is Turner Entertainment Research based on data from Nielsen Media Research. I don't have a clue on the how or why. Media Life also has data on what it calls Young Viewers http://medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_1582.asp that lists its source as MTV Networks, based on data from Nielsen Media Research. I ran across the site when trying to see what the ratings were for the episodes about the Danny's Mothers death. ETA: The young viewer ratings I think are even more interesting because it segments the age group even further, which is why I think MTV Networks is doing that one. Also medialife has a yearly archive so you can check either Tues or Wed posts for past rating data. Final Edit for the nite: I just looked at the Nielsen site, they are counting everyone over the age of 2 for their total numbers.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-05-05, 09:06 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Ratings" If you notice on my first post on ratings (for Neilsen) I noted it was for people over the age of 2. So, what are you suggesting by the narrowed down numbers? How do we get an overall view of how many viewers are watching by looking at segmented numbers? I finally blogged   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

michaeldh8 35 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 12-05-05, 11:27 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Ratings" >If you notice on my first >post on ratings (for Neilsen) >I noted it was for >people over the age of >2. > >So, what are you suggesting by >the narrowed down numbers? How >do we get an overall >view of how many viewers >are watching by looking at >segmented numbers? > > >I finally blogged It matters only to advertisers, which is why it is broken down by segments and ad dollars count.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-05-05, 12:28 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Ratings" It matters only to advertisers, which is why it is broken down by segments and ad dollars count. I know but none of us are advertisers. We are just interested in how many peeps are watching. But I am really interested in hearing your explanation as to why you say that Laguna was the number 1 rated show on MTV but yet with their 40% increase in viewers for their finale still didn't top that of the Real World. I finally blogged   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

michaeldh8 35 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 12-05-05, 02:31 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Ratings" LAST EDITED ON 12-05-05 AT 03:17 PM (EST) >It matters only to advertisers, which >is why it is broken >down by segments and ad >dollars count. > >I know but none of us >are advertisers. We are just >interested in how many peeps >are watching. > >But I am really interested in >hearing your explanation as to >why you say that Laguna >was the number 1 rated >show on MTV but yet >with their 40% increase in >viewers for their finale still >didn't top that of the >Real World. > > I am sorry I missed your point about the number 1 rating concern, but from about the end of September when I first saw the Young Viewers article at Medialife which showed LB beating RW in every age group I just found that interesting and since that time LB has drawn more viewers than the RW. So I only know of this time frame, so for the season as a whole RW may have been the the #1 show, but since Sept they always came in behind LB (from the rankings at medialife). And I don't think I have gone more than 2 weeks without checking (so there is still a chance for error on my part). ETA. I will try to find the raw Nielsen numbers for LB final to compare to the RW, but I am willing to bet, based on the Medialife numbers that LB beat out RW. Remember Medialife is using segmented numbers vice raw numbers (which is why you are seeing such a difference.)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

michaeldh8 35 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 12-05-05, 04:06 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Ratings" http://www.nola.com/newsflash/entertainment/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-6/1132759451211010.xml&storylist= Ratings for basic cable networks 11/23/2005, 9:18 a.m. CT The Associated Press (AP) — Rankings for the top 15 programs on basic cable networks as compiled by Nielsen Media Research for the week of Nov. 14-20. Day and start time (EDT) are in parentheses. 1. NFL Football: Kansas City vs. Houston (Sunday, 8:28 p.m.), ESPN, 5.19 million homes, 6.81 million viewers. 2. "WWE Raw" (Monday, 9 p.m.), USA, 4.13 million homes, 5.72 million viewers. 3. "WWE Raw" (Monday, 10 p.m.), USA, 3.98 million homes, 5.51 million viewers. 4. "Laguna Beach" (Monday, 10 p.m.), MTV, 3.5 million homes, 4.34 million viewers. 5. College Football: Penn State vs. Michigan State (Saturday, 4 p.m.), ESPN, 3.44 million homes, 4.68 million viewers. 6. "Fairly Odd Parents" (Sunday, 10 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 3.24 million homes, 4.18 million viewers. 7. "SpongeBob SquarePants" (Sunday, 9:30 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 3.2 million homes, 4.15 million viewers. 8. "SpongeBob SquarePants" (Saturday, 9:30 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 3.13 million homes, 4.25 million viewers. 9. College Football: Georgia Tech vs. Miami (Saturday, 7:42 p.m.), ESPN, 3.07 million homes, 4.03 million viewers. 10. "Fairly Odd Parents" (Saturday, 10 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 3.04 million homes, 3.96 million viewers. 11. "College Gameday Scoreboard" (Saturday, 7:25 p.m.), ESPN, 3.02 million homes, 3.93 million viewers. 12. "SpongeBob SquarePants" (Sunday, 9 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 2.91 million homes, 3.64 million viewers. 13. Movie: "Mulan II" (Sunday, 8 p.m.), Disney, 2.85 million homes, 3.84 million viewers. 14. "NFL Prime Time" (Sunday, 7:30 p.m.), ESPN, 2.85 million homes, 3.76 million viewers. 15. "SpongeBob SquarePants" (Saturday, 9 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 2.82 million homes, 3.69 million viewers.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-05-05, 04:48 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Ratings" Thanks for the info. Looks like about 600,000 more peeps viewed LG than RW!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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